bonemeal wasn't broken the relative rarity of skeletons and the danger associated with setting up a dungeon farm make this bonemeal wheat nerf kinda pointless and outright hostile to the community. the #1 rule of games is if it is not broken DON'T F****** FIX IT. a balance change to bonemeal only makes sense if your trying to Nerf a modded server and catering to the survivalist community is what is killing the game KILLING IT. mine craft has become less and less about creativity and more and more about survival the game was never designed for this and all this increase in complexity and difficulty is KILLING the community. creative mode is fun and all but it is boring as hell there needs to be a line that cant be crossed and in my mind ing with bonemeal mechanics is that line in the sand. no more no more should the casual players watch as out beloved creativity toy is butchered and turned into a mind numbingly difficult hack and slash survival game. it needs to stop THE MADNESS MUST END and if you don't like it you can shut your mouth and install a hardcore rpg mod because there aren't already like 100 of those but stop ruining vanilla with your pointless nerfs.
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To be honest i am more defending new players with this argument i play on a server with forestry at the end of the day i am just laughing all the way to the bank. but this has the serious potential to starve new players and lets face it the harder mine craft gets the more you'll have new players rage quit. Mojang will end up making less and less money if they keep catering to the elitist survival community. i am just saying when this update comes out I gaurentee within 24 hours there will be a bukkit plugin to undo this change.
additionally this is supposed to be a poll topic i would prefer to just collect raw data and not have comments and flame wars starting lets keep this civil.
additionally this is supposed to be a poll topic i would prefer to just collect raw data and not have comments and flame wars starting lets keep this civil.
Rather, check the data from the other threads about this exact topic and lock this thread.
Instead of instant-click-free-bread, it now actually costs you something to avoid the normal wait time. There is no issue except with butthurt players who are used to the original bonemeal.
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[quote=Badgerz]You have to keep in mind that people are stupid.
[quote=Catelite]Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't make it broken or pointless. >_<
Unfortunately, due to the massive arguments about this and the fact that Mojang has already made a compromise (albeit randomness ruined it) we will never have the normal bonemeal back.... I've been in the debate at the recent snapshots/updates board and well all I've got to say is that the best thing that Mojang should have done was either kept hand placed bonemeal normal and nerf redstone placed bonemeal or have wheat/carrots/potatoes take 2 bonemeal, melons/pumpkins 3, trees 2 or 4, and mushrooms 1. Since I was on the opposing side of the nerf I can also say:
* Before there has been barely to none posts complaining of the "OPness" of bonemeal.
* With or without bonemeal food will still be plentiful at mid to late game and in some cases even early game.
* The nerf has been viewed as annoying and doesn't add "difficulty" in the game or not in a fun way.
* People shouldn't tell others what to do and shouldn't be worried about what others do in their game.
*Bonemeal has been the same for a long time so changing it probably wasn't a good move.
*Hand placed bonemeal still required effort especially for big farms.
However, OP you have made your opening post seem rude and un-debate like. If you want to let your opinion be liked or open up a controversial topic try to speak civil and understand both sides. Avoid cursing and excessive use of caps.
I mean the compromise even if it is random is way better than the 7 nerf bonemeal.
The whole argument by the OP is just laughable. He claims that Minecraft is being "killed" because it is more about survival and less about creative. Except that there is a whole mode dedicated to playing without the restrictions of food or Bonemeal. That is the point of Creative mode. Survival is about survival, and it has been way too easy for a long time.
In fact, I would say that by my experience the Bonemeal nerf was entirely meaningless to making the game harder, because by the end of your first Minecraft day you can have enough Wheat growing that you never need to worry about food again, and that is without Bonemeal. Bonemeal has never been the "normal" route to farming, it was just there as a quick shortcut. And I don't know what he is talking about with Skeletons being rare, you can walk around for five minutes every morning and pick up 5-15 Bones without a problem. You don't even need to fight.
Lastly, you say that you wanted it to not start flame wars and just be a poll thread (which btw, MCF does not have an option for just a poll, it is either open for discussion and voting or locked, where you can no longer vote), but the ENTIRETY of the first post, the poll, and the title is completely biased and one sided. If you want it to be just a poll, this is how you do it:
1. Post in Discussion, not Suggestions
2. Format it like this:
Title: What do you think of the 1.5 Bonemeal Nerf
Poll: Do you like the Nerf?
Answer 1: Yes
Answer 2: No
Post: I would like to know what people think of the Bonemeal Nerf in 1.5. <Describe exactly what changed> <Give your personal opinion>. Please vote and discuss what you like or don't like about it and why.
3. Vote in your poll
I can already tell you this is going to get locked or at least moved. The poll is biased, the thread is biased, and the OP is biased. Also, I know I only speak for myself but I have noticed no difference in how I play since the nerf because I only rarely use Bonemeal.
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I've actually wanted a nerf for so long. At least you can fully automate your farms now:
Dispensers can now plant seeds, as well as use bone meal. You can set it up so that:
1 tick plants seeds, 3 ticks use Bone Meal, and 1 tick floods the farm. Then, use a Gold Pressure Plate to check the amount of items, and then un-flood the lane if there is enough. Finally, deposit items to a Chest via a Hopper. Then repeat.
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This doesn't even go here.
additionally this is supposed to be a poll topic i would prefer to just collect raw data and not have comments and flame wars starting lets keep this civil.
[quote=Badgerz]You have to keep in mind that people are stupid.
[quote=Catelite]Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't make it broken or pointless. >_<
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* Before there has been barely to none posts complaining of the "OPness" of bonemeal.
* With or without bonemeal food will still be plentiful at mid to late game and in some cases even early game.
* The nerf has been viewed as annoying and doesn't add "difficulty" in the game or not in a fun way.
* People shouldn't tell others what to do and shouldn't be worried about what others do in their game.
*Bonemeal has been the same for a long time so changing it probably wasn't a good move.
*Hand placed bonemeal still required effort especially for big farms.
However, OP you have made your opening post seem rude and un-debate like. If you want to let your opinion be liked or open up a controversial topic try to speak civil and understand both sides. Avoid cursing and excessive use of caps.
I mean the compromise even if it is random is way better than the 7 nerf bonemeal.
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ModeratorIn fact, I would say that by my experience the Bonemeal nerf was entirely meaningless to making the game harder, because by the end of your first Minecraft day you can have enough Wheat growing that you never need to worry about food again, and that is without Bonemeal. Bonemeal has never been the "normal" route to farming, it was just there as a quick shortcut. And I don't know what he is talking about with Skeletons being rare, you can walk around for five minutes every morning and pick up 5-15 Bones without a problem. You don't even need to fight.
Lastly, you say that you wanted it to not start flame wars and just be a poll thread (which btw, MCF does not have an option for just a poll, it is either open for discussion and voting or locked, where you can no longer vote), but the ENTIRETY of the first post, the poll, and the title is completely biased and one sided. If you want it to be just a poll, this is how you do it:
1. Post in Discussion, not Suggestions
2. Format it like this:
Title: What do you think of the 1.5 Bonemeal Nerf
Poll: Do you like the Nerf?
Answer 1: Yes
Answer 2: No
Post: I would like to know what people think of the Bonemeal Nerf in 1.5. <Describe exactly what changed> <Give your personal opinion>. Please vote and discuss what you like or don't like about it and why.
I can already tell you this is going to get locked or at least moved. The poll is biased, the thread is biased, and the OP is biased. Also, I know I only speak for myself but I have noticed no difference in how I play since the nerf because I only rarely use Bonemeal.
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Dispensers can now plant seeds, as well as use bone meal. You can set it up so that:
1 tick plants seeds, 3 ticks use Bone Meal, and 1 tick floods the farm. Then, use a Gold Pressure Plate to check the amount of items, and then un-flood the lane if there is enough. Finally, deposit items to a Chest via a Hopper. Then repeat.
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