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Quote from Ninjapancakes87

Well guys, its official. Colored glass is the big 1.7 update. Im very close to giving up hope, as another update wont be for a while, and we have had no news as to if this will happen. It seems especially appropriate because this was supposed to be the world generation update. I *highly* doubt 1.8 will be the same. 1.8 seems more likely as the rendering engine rewrite (didnt see render changes on the snapshot list) or the mod API. Then at least cubic chunks can be made for the mod API.

Oh, they're doing all kinds of things with 1.7, and they are definitely adding lighting and rendering changes to 1.7. Did you see all those Filter/shading options they've added in the "Secret Options"? And the new Launcher itself is designed to make using modded minecraft versions easier to use, though they could still do better in my opinion. They've also added the following horizon effect, which might possibly be a start at redoing things to deal with some of the issues they have with dealing with super height:

The sky near the horizon now darkens when the player has blocks between them and the sky

• The greater the distance between the player and an area open to the sky, the darker the sky appears

Quote from Calacbolg

How many times do I have to tell people this doesn't change the underground at ALL?

Yeah, the vanilla minecraft version may likely only increase the height. I can easily see that happening.

Just to be fair, the original Cubic Chunks Mod did auto-replace the original bottom layer of Bedrock with regular stone so that people could keep going down. So that might be a little of the confusion. It was, however, planned that future versions would have altered height worlds listed as an actual "World-Type" once that was added to Minecraft. Plus; that many aspects of even the fundamentals would become World Generation Options such as what level to put a Bedrock layer if any and what the allowed height would be (even though the CC engine itself could still do more).

The first available test versions of the new CC Mod may not have such options, not fully anyway, but those test versions will only be released so that you can all play (and test) earlier, so hopefully you all won't be too judgmental about simple "options" like that at first. After all, options like that will be easier to add later than the Core Height/Depth functionality that needs to be shoe-horned into Minecraft now, heh heh.

Quote from Calacbolg

This suggestion is PURELY inner game mechanics, it doesn't alter actual gameplay at all besides removing the height limit so you can build as high into the sky as you want.

Again, Calacbolg is referring to the vanilla minecraft suggestion.

The core principle of the mod also is to only alter the Vertical Freedom of players, creators and modders. The engine itself does allow equally greater depth as well. I see no reason though why there cannot be an option, even if default, to keep the original bedrock if that is what people want.

I suspect that people may be concerned about large terrain too. Let me quickly go over what happened with the original Cubic Chunks Mod in regards to that:

Robinton was able to both alter the terrain generator core to be compatible with his Cubic engine yet also still put out "Normal" terrain for worlds. Most all versions of the CC Mod used that, though there was a special version that used some Cubic-modified code from the PTM Phoenix Terrain Mod to create terrain up to 4096m high for testing.

It was solidly agreed upon that there should, in the future, be World Generation options for CC worlds that allowed people to create traditional worlds that just had the added height/depth added as well as options for variable height terrain + more.

* The whole point, as Calacbolg stated, is to give everyone new Vertical Freedom. Anything else should be optional and not forced on anyone. You should be free to have what otherwise is a completely normal world, including normal bedrock, but a FAR greater freedom of height if that is what you want. And those who want to burrow into hidden underground worlds of wonder, provisions for such possibilities and compatibility with custom modding for them would be ideal (even if not fully implemented at start).

Don't worry folks; unlike some mods which feel the need to force unrelated random mobs etc on you when all you want is the core function of the mod, the Cubic Chunks Mod is all about Freedom! Calacbolg has shown agreement with this idea of purity of focus, you have no idea how lucky you are for that.

Quote from Ninjapancakes87

Well guys, its official. Colored glass is the big 1.7 update. Im very close to giving up hope, as another update wont be for a while, and we have had no news as to if this will happen. It seems especially appropriate because this was supposed to be the world generation update. I *highly* doubt 1.8 will be the same. 1.8 seems more likely as the rendering engine rewrite (didnt see render changes on the snapshot list) or the mod API. Then at least cubic chunks can be made for the mod API.

I do not expect Mojang to implement this until the proof-of-concept mod is released. Then they can just use the code from it, add Cubic Chunks to Minecraft, and the world will be a better place.

Quote from MineCrak

Don't worry folks; unlike some mods which feel the need to force unrelated random mobs etc on you when all you want is the core function of the mod, the Cubic Chunks Mod is all about Freedom! Calacblog has shown agreement with this idea of purity of focus, you have no idea how lucky you are for that.

Thank god for that! You have no idea how many mods Ive tried and then gotten sick of within hours because they were all op, like "lets give the player diamond-tier armor if they use leather and ink sacks!" "yea! thats a great idea, because its totally not op as *bleep* at all!" I do know how lucky we are to have Calcablog's input.

Note: I am exhausted, and have had a super stressful past few weeks, so I may be a bit more irritable than usual, and more prone to derping out.

Sorry about that. I derped out for a moment. Calcablog, Minecrack, Watchman, thank you guys for doing so much to see this implemented.

Quote from Calacbolg

Anvil format is based on the world format of the original cubic chunks mod. Checkmate.

Ahh, I see. Very well done. To the rest of you, I was never trying to argue, just point out the possibilities and understand more. Besides I never claimed to utterly hate this idea.

A lot of thought was put into this... I fully support

Thank you Nocte!

We were all just visited by one of the Legends of Cubic Chunks folks. Nocte long ago fully implemented a completely successful Cubic Chunks system in his C++ Voxel framework HexaHedra. He also helped Robinton to revamp the original CC world save format into an immensely more compact and faster one as well as other important on-going contributions.

If any of you are interested in quickly and easily experiencing how very smooth and wonderful navigating a wide open Cubic Chunks world can be (when properly implemented) then please head over to the HexaHedra forum and download the newest test version and give Nocte some feedback to help him with it's development. His server also has a fun voxel city for you to explore.

It's as easy as downloading it's installer and running it, that's it! It has nothing to do with Minecraft and won't affect it. Enjoy!!

[ HexaHedra Forum ] [ Download thread ]

Quote from twisterman32

What!? no mac version! that's dumb.

People still use macs? Why don't you use bootcamp or something like everyone else that owns a mac does.

Quote from Nocte

It should run on Mac just fine, but I don't have a machine to build/test/package it.

Exactly. It's open source so feel free to compile it for Mac if you want. Currently it's in development. The current version is available for Windows and there are instructions for Linux.

[ HexaHedra Github ] [ HexaHedra Forum ] [ HexaHedra Download ]

Quote from Nocte

Anvil works pretty much the same as McRegion (no third dimension), but changes the chunk storage format. There are now sections within the column (Mojang's name for 16x16x16 chunks), and a separate bitmask to indicate which sections are air. This results in a more compact save, and for bulk operations it is faster. The drawback is you can't load or store individual sections, and while it is possible to extend the format to accomodate larger vertical ranges, it's not a good idea.

*Im a biologist, not a comp-sci person, so I forgive me if I make some mistakes*
Translation:
Anvil stores blocks by loading a whole chunk (16x16x256), but also checks whether or not a section (CC (16x16x16)) is air or not. The result is less calculations being sent, and it ends up being faster. Unlike with CC, Anvil can't load or store the individual CCs, so it cant reach its full potential of virtually infinite height.
Did I make any mistakes?

If anyone was curious about what changed in the 10/15 update, there's a new section in the OP addressing changes to the Void and bottom of the world.

Quote from GG1LL3S

does this change the amount of loaded chunks ? if yes hell noo i dont support becus well yeah.. less farm area can be loaded at a time on servers...
+ remember about spawn chunks they would be loaded fully at all time causing u alot of lagg since the system cant change that i believe + alot of people in single player survival build thins in spawn chunks removing those would make alot of people upset

Maybe it would be changeable by the server admins, that way it doesn't break existing builds in the spawn chunks.

Quote from GG1LL3S

does this change the amount of loaded chunks ? if yes hell noo i dont support becus well yeah.. less farm area can be loaded at a time on servers...
+ remember about spawn chunks they would be loaded fully at all time causing u alot of lagg since the system cant change that i believe + alot of people in single player survival build thins in spawn chunks removing those would make alot of people upset

Read the op before posting please. Ignorant posts like yours can cause people to be misinformed and not see what this mod has to offer.

Quote from SgtMaj_Powell

Is this compatible with Biomes o' Plenty or Natura?

It should be, this mod as far as I know will only modify chunks, and will not change world generation.

I used Cubic Chunks WAAAAAAAAY back in 1.7.3.... BETA. I still use it because it is fun as hell, honestly it's awesome. Keep in mind that this was robinton's mods (sorry if I misspell) The system is good overall. Support!.

Quote from Usapha

I just thought about such a thing myself, but at my current knowledge I couldn't do anything about it. Then fate just showed me a signature with this mod's banner. I'll support you with that banner you show us up there in your post and hope that this will become vanilla, just as pistons and horses have become vanilla. This is exactly what I thought reading this post. My own suggestion was the 32x64x32 configuration, which is the current chunk volume, but with decreased chunk size there might be less lag.

No, a 32^2x64 chunk would lag just as much as a 16^2x256 chunk because the chunk size = chunk volume. You have to realize that chunks were made 16^2xheight for a reason, 16 is a very efficient number in terms of programming, you'll have to get more info on just how from someone more experienced with code than I. If chunks were 16^3, it would be very efficent. If you've watched my video, you'd know that CC as it is more than doubled my performance even without any optimizations in place yet.

Quote from GG1LL3S

does this change the amount of loaded chunks ? if yes hell noo i dont support becus well yeah.. less farm area can be loaded at a time on servers...

Yes, this does change the amount of loaded chunks, BUT the chunks are 16x smaller and you can optimize loading and efficiency of these small segments. The efficiency of this system more than doubles my performance in MC. Unless your farms extend from bedrock to height limit and take up the entire chunk, then you're wrong, this would allow more farm area to be loaded due to the ability to selectively load chunks.

Quote from GG1LL3S

+ remember about spawn chunks they would be loaded fully at all time causing u alot of lagg since the system cant change that i believe + alot of people in single player survival build thins in spawn chunks removing those would make alot of people upset

Spawn chunks could and would continue to exist, actually no changes would be required to the spawn chunks code I believe, because it measures chunk distance from spawn. This would lag MUCH LESS than the current system, and yes the system CAN change that, if you've fooled around with the Multiverse bukkit plugin, you'd know that you can disable spawn chunk loading in any world you wish, and not process the world when no chunks are loaded in it.

Quote from BananaGummyBear64

It should be, this mod as far as I know will only modify chunks, and will not change world generation.

The mod currently has a broken-looking terrain generator because Barteks2x had to disable some things in the meantime because their generation was based off of chunks and does not work properly with CC until we change the code. If you've watched my video, you'll see what it looks like. There is also another generator which attempts to generate biomes, but only generates the 'biomes', so only things like grass color change.