Keep in mind, OP, I'm not saying you're not allowed to have an opinion, but I am saying that you need to focus your opinion where it has the most critical say.
Creating a new thread to argue against a difference of opinion only further spams the forum. You've been around enough to see that we have more than enough of that.
Well, most arguments about guns are just people using poor excuses, but there are many arguments that don't sound too moronic.
First of, "Why does it need too be added?" is actually a very good question, it forces them too state their reasons they want it, but answering with "Why shouldn't it be added?" is not the correct response, it makes you seem desperate.
I, for one, do not support guns being added, Minecraft Survival is about, well, about survival. If it were too become about building civilizations, maybe that would be cool, but then minecraft would be, different, and maybe less successful. if it isn't broken, don't fix it.
Reason? Because this is a sandbox game. Sandbox game to allow you to play it how you want, so even if it works the same way as a bow, people (who want guns) would be happy with just that.
For those who say the majority of the community doesn't want guns, show me proof.
Assuming you're referring to my post, I would prove it but I don't think its for me to start ANOTHER gun thread with a poll. OP? or whoever started the official gun post mentioned above?
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You seem to assume that people are asking for any kind of gun, like a musket or some other primitive gun.
They aren't asking for those. They're requesting crap like AK-47s and assault rifles. That's why people hate those ideas.
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One possible solution I came up with is that the gun would have the same durability of the bow, same damage, same range, same charge-up, etc. Basically it would just be a cooler-looking version of the bow. It wouldn't be any better than the bow, so that eliminates overpoweredness. That being said, I would much rather have a new weapon that has a unique purpose instead of a cosmetic reskin.
Is it kind-of a reskin? What I think you said was just a retextured bow. I’m sorry, but I don’t understand what you are trying to state.
So what happened here exactly? Why is the original thread now inaccessible?
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No, there has never, ever been a sandbox game with a story or ending... except Grand Theft Auto... and Saints Row... and Red Dead Redemption... and Crack Down... and Assassins Creed...
Hold on, I thought this was a topic advocating a gun in Minecraft, not telling 11 reasons why they shouldn't!
I dun git it.
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You invade this world claiming it as your own simply by your presence.
You slaughter animals for their hides and flesh.
You destroy the landscape and gouge out the earth to build your monuments to vanity.
And yet you call me monster.
Hold on, I thought this was a topic advocating a gun in Minecraft, not telling 11 reasons why they shouldn't!
I dun git it.
RTFM. Dumbass, I'll post it again:
Okay, so here's the deal. I've merged a couple of pretty good gun threads together not only so some of you get a better idea of how good suggestions are made, but also so you can see that guns were at one point discussed critically and calmly.
I'd like to see some more of that. I'm sure we all would.
In the future, I would prefer that all guns or firearm-related suggestions appear in this thread, and this thread alone where it can be freely discussed, supported, or rejected.
Just remember that objections are well noted, even by Notch. There's no need to beat this into people's heads any more than it has with another pile of "NO" posts. The fact of the matter is that guns are desired by some and they are perfectly well allowed to have a thread for that.
No excuses for threadshitting in this thread (or others for that matter >.>). Consider this advance warning. I'll be editing the OP to add this lecture there as well.
Behave yourselves. If you feel that you can't, then just move on to something else.
Carry on, gentlemen.
NOTE: Any additional gun threads are to be referred to this thread and reported for my attention. Two dozen threads for the same sort of device isn't necessary.
Note: This is not a PRO or ANTI gun thread.
Don't be a dumbass, and don't strawman the topic.
The topic is "THE OFFICIAL GUN THREAD". Note: It does not say "PRO" gun nor does it say "ANTI" gun. Any place where you may have seen is pure fabrication of your imagination.
Because it is an official gun thread where he is discussing 11 issues both critically and calmly; he is allowed to his his opinion.
I agree with the OP of this merged thread: We have iron, we have gun powder/TNT, we have the technology, there is no reason not to have an early era firearm of some kind.
A lower fire rate, slightly higher range, *more accurate aim (less drop with distance)*, and slightly higher damage against unarmored enemies, slightly less against armored enemies, would make for a balanced weapon.
Nor can you say "It does not fit Minecraft" -- take a good look. Not only is there no single idea of what minecraft is -- is it a building game? An exploration game? A "kilw the dwagon" game?
Different people will have different ideas on how to play.
Different servers can and will enable/disable it, just as right now some enable or disable pistons and lava buckets.
"Guns" does not mean smith and weston style, semi-automatics.
"Gun" can be as simple as explosive powder packed inside a tube.
What should the reloading cost be? Iron ingot => 4 iron balls. TNT => 4 rounds of powder. One iron ball plus one round of powder plus one unloaded gun plus one string equals one loaded gun, using all 4 of your personal crafting squares.
If you want something really nasty, how about cannon? 7 iron to make an empty cannon. 4 iron ingot => one cannon ball. Cannon plus cannon ball plus full TNT plus paper equals loaded cannon (you would click on the cannon itself to load, you would not actually break the cannon into your inventory, craft, and then replace). Cannons don't move unless they are on a rail cart (rail cart + cannon = mobile cannon). Aiming difficulties would make them really inefficient.
(I'll let other people consider redstone + mobile cannon + pressure plate detectors for an automated base defense, and then ask you how it differs from existing automated traps?)
Point is, it is definitely in the technology range. Heck, we've got computers, explosives, manual lever-operated flying machines, etc.
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Would you really rather have bees that make diamonds and oil with magical genetic blocks?
... did I really ask that?
The topic is "THE OFFICIAL GUN THREAD". Note: It does not say "PRO" gun nor does it say "ANTI" gun. Any place where you may have seen is pure fabrication of your imagination.
Because it is an official gun thread where he is discussing 11 issues both critically and calmly; he is allowed to his his opinion.
You git it?!
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You invade this world claiming it as your own simply by your presence.
You slaughter animals for their hides and flesh.
You destroy the landscape and gouge out the earth to build your monuments to vanity.
And yet you call me monster.
You invade this world claiming it as your own simply by your presence.
You slaughter animals for their hides and flesh.
You destroy the landscape and gouge out the earth to build your monuments to vanity.
And yet you call me monster.
(In regard to a mod that gives realistic animal genetics):
Would you really rather have bees that make diamonds and oil with magical genetic blocks?
... did I really ask that?
Terraria may have a lot of building potential and more decorative items than Minecraft but it's really more about the adventure. There are all of these different weapons so you can create your own fighting style. You can look like Indiana Jones and wield a lightsaber to kill a giant metal worm that fires lasers while clowns throw bombs at you. There are accessories to complement the aformentioned style so you can jump from space to hell and not even lose 1 hp. It really is more about the fighting and adventuring. I don't know those other games so I can't argue them. Notch always intended Minecraft to have RPG elements.
No, it doesn't. A first person shooter focuses on the shooting of guns and not building shrines to the creators or phallic towers. Would you say Skyrim is an FPS because you can shoot with bows? Speaking of which, Minecraft is closer to RPG than FPS (though it isn't really either) with the enchanting, exploration, awesomeness of mods, alchemy, swords, bows, fighting a dragon etc. Your point makes no sense. No, I wouldn't say Skyrim is an FPS. The bow doesn't make it one and neither would a musket.
Because insulting people is a great way to be taken seriously isn't it? It's insulting people who just say "HURR DURR gunz riun minecarft." Those kinds of people more or less deserve to be insulted.
If you want more/better arguments, ask someone who isn't falling asleep at the keyboard. Your basically trying to hide the fact that you can't argue against them, because they're all correct.
Because firearms are not within the theme of Minecraft, where it is only simple mechanical devices. Most firearms, including musket's have very small intricate working mechanical parts, far more indepth then anything else in Minecraft. There are MANY complex devices in MC.
Also a square bullet would not be very effective and would lose velocity very very quickly fired from a crude square barrel and would only travel a very short distance being non aerodynamic. FACEPALM.
Jeb has said that many things that are already Mod's will not be added to vanilla minecraft. There is already several very well done Gun Mod's out there so why would Jeb use his time making one? If you want to use guns, use one of the mods, but I don't see it ever fitting in with vanilla minecraft which is themed towards swords and bows. Get proof.
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First of, "Why does it need too be added?" is actually a very good question, it forces them too state their reasons they want it, but answering with "Why shouldn't it be added?" is not the correct response, it makes you seem desperate.
I, for one, do not support guns being added, Minecraft Survival is about, well, about survival. If it were too become about building civilizations, maybe that would be cool, but then minecraft would be, different, and maybe less successful. if it isn't broken, don't fix it.
That aside InfiniteArch has a great idea
Assuming you're referring to my post, I would prove it but I don't think its for me to start ANOTHER gun thread with a poll. OP? or whoever started the official gun post mentioned above?
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They aren't asking for those. They're requesting crap like AK-47s and assault rifles. That's why people hate those ideas.
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You slaughter animals for their hides and flesh.
You destroy the landscape and gouge out the earth to build your monuments to vanity.
And yet you call me monster.
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The moderator decided to just merge a pro-gun thread and an anti-gun thread together which makes no sense to me since the OP contradicts the title...
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RTFM. Dumbass, I'll post it again:
Note: This is not a PRO or ANTI gun thread.
Don't be a dumbass, and don't strawman the topic.
The topic is "THE OFFICIAL GUN THREAD". Note: It does not say "PRO" gun nor does it say "ANTI" gun. Any place where you may have seen is pure fabrication of your imagination.
Because it is an official gun thread where he is discussing 11 issues both critically and calmly; he is allowed to his his opinion.
You git it?!
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Curse PremiumI agree with the OP of this merged thread: We have iron, we have gun powder/TNT, we have the technology, there is no reason not to have an early era firearm of some kind.
A lower fire rate, slightly higher range, *more accurate aim (less drop with distance)*, and slightly higher damage against unarmored enemies, slightly less against armored enemies, would make for a balanced weapon.
Nor can you say "It does not fit Minecraft" -- take a good look. Not only is there no single idea of what minecraft is -- is it a building game? An exploration game? A "kilw the dwagon" game?
Different people will have different ideas on how to play.
Different servers can and will enable/disable it, just as right now some enable or disable pistons and lava buckets.
"Guns" does not mean smith and weston style, semi-automatics.
"Gun" can be as simple as explosive powder packed inside a tube.
What should the reloading cost be? Iron ingot => 4 iron balls. TNT => 4 rounds of powder. One iron ball plus one round of powder plus one unloaded gun plus one string equals one loaded gun, using all 4 of your personal crafting squares.
If you want something really nasty, how about cannon? 7 iron to make an empty cannon. 4 iron ingot => one cannon ball. Cannon plus cannon ball plus full TNT plus paper equals loaded cannon (you would click on the cannon itself to load, you would not actually break the cannon into your inventory, craft, and then replace). Cannons don't move unless they are on a rail cart (rail cart + cannon = mobile cannon). Aiming difficulties would make them really inefficient.
(I'll let other people consider redstone + mobile cannon + pressure plate detectors for an automated base defense, and then ask you how it differs from existing automated traps?)
Point is, it is definitely in the technology range. Heck, we've got computers, explosives, manual lever-operated flying machines, etc.
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(In regard to a mod that gives realistic animal genetics):
Would you really rather have bees that make diamonds and oil with magical genetic blocks?
... did I really ask that?
:sleep.gif: I can't believe I'm such an idiot. Sorry.
You slaughter animals for their hides and flesh.
You destroy the landscape and gouge out the earth to build your monuments to vanity.
And yet you call me monster.
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(In regard to a mod that gives realistic animal genetics):
Would you really rather have bees that make diamonds and oil with magical genetic blocks?
... did I really ask that?