To be honest, I think Minecraft is precisely the kind of game that's better without guns.
Guns seem to have become a "must-be" staple in most video games nowadays, and I like the fact that Minecraft holds the adventure and danger aspects without being able to unload a magazine of bullets at the next zombie or creeper that passes by.
Of course, everyone has their opinions...
Yeh instead you unload a magazine of machine gun arrow fire
Also like 90% of the best selling games of all time on console/handhelds have 0 guns, and half of the 8 best selling PC games of all time have no guns whatsoever and one of them has them only in a marginal role (World of Warcraft). The only reason you think that guns are popular is that shooter games have huge releases and are giant advertising events such as the Call of Duty and Halo series. In reality there are probably more games with cliche fantasy settings (cough Minecraft) or nonviolent settings compared to those with firearms.
P.S. no one said anything about the guns having "magazines", if you bothered to read the thread, which has mostly been about primitive firearms that are well within reasonable capacity and balance of the game's setting. Don't act like it's any less derivative that there are undead minions roaming the countryside, or that you happen to be equipped like every fantasy RPG ever. Finally, there is no danger in Minecraft so get real, it's not like it's reasonable to be able to fire 64 arrows in 5 seconds, wear armor that makes you almost invincible, eat some bread and instantly regenerate, etc. either
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"When we release a pure bugfix update, people get VERY upset ("NOTHING CHANGED!").. Adding features gives us much happier users. But I do realize that it's only happier users in the short term." - Notch
To be honest, I think Minecraft is precisely the kind of game that's better without guns.
Guns seem to have become a "must-be" staple in most video games nowadays, and I like the fact that Minecraft holds the adventure and danger aspects without being able to unload a magazine of bullets at the next zombie or creeper that passes by.
Of course, everyone has their opinions...
This is something like what we are talking about.
Not this.
Or this.
A primitive firearm. Quite powerful but it takes a few moments to load. Not a game breaker by any means.
It doesn't fit, Notch has said no, close this thread.
You're so stupid it hurts broski, guns are ****ing old, they even used them at the end of the middle ages, hell Knights, used to use guns before they went out of style, also the Greeks invented the flamethrower, hence why one of the first flamethrowers is called Greek Fire by some historians, want to know what doesn't fit in the Middle Ages?
Trains, jukeboxes, electricity, bows that fire as fast as a machinegun, explosive arrows, a boat that goes 30 mph, computers, automated machinery that is runned by electricity, TNT and so much more that is already here. God dammit, are all people this ignorant about history?
Edit: PS. This is the thread mods have made to cram in all the gun topics into, I'm sorry you can't read or follow directions.
It doesn't fit, Notch has said no, close this thread.
You're so stupid it hurts broski, guns are ****ing old, they even used them at the end of the middle ages, hell Knights, used to use guns before they went out of style, also the Greeks invented the flamethrower, hence why one of the first flamethrowers is called Greek Fire by some historians, want to know what doesn't fit in the Middle Ages?
Trains, jukeboxes, electricity, bows that fire as fast as a machinegun, explosive arrows, a boat that goes 30 mph, computers, automated machinery that is runned by electricity, TNT and so much more that is already here. God dammit, are all people this ignorant about history?
Edit: PS. This is the thread mods have made to cram in all the gun topics into, I'm sorry you can't read or follow directions.
Whoops, I used to much rage so I forgot about going into detail, sorry. But by guns I meant the modern ones, like Assault rifles, or desert eagles. Crossbows are ok, and those really old rifles ones from like the 1500's are also ok. I forgot about the flamethrowers being early so you got me there. Minecarts aren't trains, and I think minecarts are quiet old. (I think)
The bow part was dumb on your part. Because it's just part of gameplay, Notch can make it so that it can't fire like that. Explosive arrows aren't even in the game. Boats don't have to go that fast, Notch can change that also. Computers aren't in the game. Automated machinery is just game machinates working together. You defeated me on the TNT part too, so who wins?
But by guns I meant the modern ones, like Assault rifles, or desert eagles.
Which if you read the thread's main post or the much more recent posts you would've figured out nobody wants that
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Crossbows are ok, and those really old rifles ones from like the 1500's are also ok. I forgot about the flamethrowers being early so you got me there. Minecarts aren't trains, and I think minecarts are quiet old. (I think)
Minecarts are old sure, but not powered minecarts that are powered by steam thus putting them to par with old steam based locomotives, if you don't know what I'm talking about maybe should try actually playing this game
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The bow part was dumb on your part. Because it's just part of gameplay, Notch can make it so that it can't fire like that.
No not really because the bow as it stands right now makes the sword obsolete and this game a ****ing breeze now that arrows are made out of flint. Seriously the bow is so broken I just don't use it, also it looks like Notch is content with how broken it is as of now so I doubt that will happen any time soon
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Explosive arrows aren't even in the game.
No but some one made a mod for it due to its popular demand even though the bow right now is a machinegun.
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Boats don't have to go that fast, Notch can change that also. Computers aren't in the game. Automated machinery is just game machinates working together. You defeated me on the TNT part too
Who said they should? No one did. Yes but automated machinery is not middle ages inspired, something Notch said he wanted to restrict this game to ,which is obvious he never did.
So what's my point? Minecraft has no theme, so adding guns would not be too far fetched (this point has been fought over so many times now WTF!), and to top it all off you never even read the damn thread nor apparently even knew we had powered minecarts.
To those of you who insist Notch already said no to adding firearms, the rest of us would like one thing:
PROOF
Yes, we would indeed love to see proof of his saying he will never add firearms in game. I have yet to see one single shred of evidence of Notch even hinting he would never add firearms to Minecraft. All I keep reading is people insisting he said no, and it's mostly from those that highly oppose firearms.
There are mods for adding primitive firearms, because people WANT primitive firearms.
No one wants to make this Call of Minecraft or Medal of Minecraft with M4 Carbines and M249s, while some idiot fires rockets from atop his crude mudhut.
No, nononono! We of this thread want Flintlock muskets and pistols. The kind of firearm you see in Empire and Napoleon: Total War, as well as in the later levels of Medieval 2: Total War. The kind of firearm that required you to have some skill to load and fire, to have to require more than just point and click for accuracy. The kind of firearm you'd expect someone who's new at the game on a multiplayer server to throw down and figure it's a stupid weapon because he "cant pwn n00bs" fast enough, then go back to griefing some poor sap's home before being banned for doing so.
Wow you joined to say that? How but reading the main post with the GIANT MOD MESSAGE saying that even though notch said "no guns" It was still a valid point for discussion.
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In my opinion, due to the fact that (a) guns will not be added and (:cool.gif: it's people repeating things over and over, as well as trolling about it all, that the thread should just be closed. Currently, it serves absolutely no purpose and is just making you guys have to do more work than you should have to.
theres no reason there shouldnt be technologial expansion that of course includes firearms remember this is a sand box its meant to let people do whatever the hell they want (and well there no exact time period anyway so meh) if you dont want it turning into an fps it doesnt have to be for you but if other people want to use guns and such then let them have at it (though i would say that certain technological teirs should be possible expansions just to balance stuff out) and even then guns or not this game can be generally called an fps especially with the bow
People want to discuss guns, this thread gives them a place to do it. It livens up every few weeks and then dies down again for a while. It also saves us the pain of over 9000 gun threads :smile.gif:
The thing is, you're stuck moderating this thread instead of just letting people make gun threads, which they will still do no matter what you do. All that it does is gives you more work, as you've got to watch both this thread and any other topics that come up about guns.
Dude. That ends the game. Do you really want to nuke your base? Cuz I bet that it's in nuke range.
That's like...
covering the entire map.
Over. Kill. Nine. THOUSAND.
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Yeh instead you unload a magazine of machine gun arrow fire
Also like 90% of the best selling games of all time on console/handhelds have 0 guns, and half of the 8 best selling PC games of all time have no guns whatsoever and one of them has them only in a marginal role (World of Warcraft). The only reason you think that guns are popular is that shooter games have huge releases and are giant advertising events such as the Call of Duty and Halo series. In reality there are probably more games with cliche fantasy settings (cough Minecraft) or nonviolent settings compared to those with firearms.
P.S. no one said anything about the guns having "magazines", if you bothered to read the thread, which has mostly been about primitive firearms that are well within reasonable capacity and balance of the game's setting. Don't act like it's any less derivative that there are undead minions roaming the countryside, or that you happen to be equipped like every fantasy RPG ever. Finally, there is no danger in Minecraft so get real, it's not like it's reasonable to be able to fire 64 arrows in 5 seconds, wear armor that makes you almost invincible, eat some bread and instantly regenerate, etc. either
"When we release a pure bugfix update, people get VERY upset ("NOTHING CHANGED!").. Adding features gives us much happier users. But I do realize that it's only happier users in the short term." - Notch
This is something like what we are talking about.
Not this.
Or this.
A primitive firearm. Quite powerful but it takes a few moments to load. Not a game breaker by any means.
He should just play the mod I linked to
But I like your idea. It isn't OP at all, but sounds like a total pain in the ass to reload, even to keep it NOT OP.
But it fits Minecraft really well. (Fun fact: A bow and arrow could fire 40 times before an old gun could fire once!)
Before you argue, stop and think about how your opinion would be if this were, say, a crossbow, or a dagger that you throw.
Notch has said no, that is all. If you want guns so badly, download a ****ing mod. Guns don't fit Minecraft, hey, if guns are added, why not:
-Cars!
-Nukes!
-Superdrills!
-Airplanes!
-Flamethrowers
And all that other ****.
TL:DR version:
It doesn't fit, Notch has said no, close this thread.
You're so stupid it hurts broski, guns are ****ing old, they even used them at the end of the middle ages, hell Knights, used to use guns before they went out of style, also the Greeks invented the flamethrower, hence why one of the first flamethrowers is called Greek Fire by some historians, want to know what doesn't fit in the Middle Ages?
Trains, jukeboxes, electricity, bows that fire as fast as a machinegun, explosive arrows, a boat that goes 30 mph, computers, automated machinery that is runned by electricity, TNT and so much more that is already here. God dammit, are all people this ignorant about history?
Edit: PS. This is the thread mods have made to cram in all the gun topics into, I'm sorry you can't read or follow directions.
Whoops, I used to much rage so I forgot about going into detail, sorry. But by guns I meant the modern ones, like Assault rifles, or desert eagles. Crossbows are ok, and those really old rifles ones from like the 1500's are also ok. I forgot about the flamethrowers being early so you got me there. Minecarts aren't trains, and I think minecarts are quiet old. (I think)
The bow part was dumb on your part. Because it's just part of gameplay, Notch can make it so that it can't fire like that. Explosive arrows aren't even in the game. Boats don't have to go that fast, Notch can change that also. Computers aren't in the game. Automated machinery is just game machinates working together. You defeated me on the TNT part too, so who wins?
You - 3-4 points
Me - 5-6 points
But whatever, Notch adds what he pleases.
Which if you read the thread's main post or the much more recent posts you would've figured out nobody wants that
Minecarts are old sure, but not powered minecarts that are powered by steam thus putting them to par with old steam based locomotives, if you don't know what I'm talking about maybe should try actually playing this game
No not really because the bow as it stands right now makes the sword obsolete and this game a ****ing breeze now that arrows are made out of flint. Seriously the bow is so broken I just don't use it, also it looks like Notch is content with how broken it is as of now so I doubt that will happen any time soon
No but some one made a mod for it due to its popular demand even though the bow right now is a machinegun.
Who said they should? No one did. Yes but automated machinery is not middle ages inspired, something Notch said he wanted to restrict this game to ,which is obvious he never did.
So what's my point? Minecraft has no theme, so adding guns would not be too far fetched (this point has been fought over so many times now WTF!), and to top it all off you never even read the damn thread nor apparently even knew we had powered minecarts.
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Curse PremiumYes, we would indeed love to see proof of his saying he will never add firearms in game. I have yet to see one single shred of evidence of Notch even hinting he would never add firearms to Minecraft. All I keep reading is people insisting he said no, and it's mostly from those that highly oppose firearms.
There are mods for adding primitive firearms, because people WANT primitive firearms.
No one wants to make this Call of Minecraft or Medal of Minecraft with M4 Carbines and M249s, while some idiot fires rockets from atop his crude mudhut.
No, nononono! We of this thread want Flintlock muskets and pistols. The kind of firearm you see in Empire and Napoleon: Total War, as well as in the later levels of Medieval 2: Total War. The kind of firearm that required you to have some skill to load and fire, to have to require more than just point and click for accuracy. The kind of firearm you'd expect someone who's new at the game on a multiplayer server to throw down and figure it's a stupid weapon because he "cant pwn n00bs" fast enough, then go back to griefing some poor sap's home before being banned for doing so.
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Wow you joined to say that? How but reading the main post with the GIANT MOD MESSAGE saying that even though notch said "no guns" It was still a valid point for discussion.
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I'm against the idea of guns, but I want to see this too...
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WHEN THE HELL DID YOU BECOME A MOD?!
HOW MUCH DID I MISS OUT ON!?
HOLY HANNAH
In my opinion, due to the fact that (a) guns will not be added and (:cool.gif: it's people repeating things over and over, as well as trolling about it all, that the thread should just be closed. Currently, it serves absolutely no purpose and is just making you guys have to do more work than you should have to.
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The thing is, you're stuck moderating this thread instead of just letting people make gun threads, which they will still do no matter what you do. All that it does is gives you more work, as you've got to watch both this thread and any other topics that come up about guns.
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