I love this game, but my only gripe is this: the terrain is simply boring. I can start up any map, explore for 2000 blocks in any direction, and be sure to find nothing but gently rolling hills. I'm tired of this.
Minecraft is capable of generating such amazing geological forms - we've all seen mods that made us say "wow". Why can't it be an Option? I just do not understand WHY it can't be included.
There is a large team of very capable people working on minecraft, and to give us the option of interesting terrain would simply be a matter of changing a handful of variables in the terrain code, and the addition of one button option in the generation screen.
What's the harm in giving us that option? Why must the developers INSIST on providing bland, uninteresting terrain when the engine is effortlessly able to do so much more, all for nearly NO effort on their part.
I am simply baffled. Why not cater to more people? Why not provide for the people who want this? Why not??
Which I am mad. There are several awesome coders in Mojang, but somehow they cant add things mods can. There are some mods a long time ago that some updates added whatthose mods did except months earlier. So why Mojang, why do you hold back? Jeb should give all bug fixes to someone else, while he adds awesome features, because we all want a new mob.
Which I am mad. There are several awesome coders in Mojang, but somehow they cant add things mods can. There are some mods a long time ago that some updates added whatthose mods did except months earlier. So why Mojang, why do you hold back? Jeb should give all bug fixes to someone else, while he adds awesome features, because we all want a new mob.
Game developers in general wont add mods to vanilla for a very simple reason: not everyone likes them! Look at pistons, their appearance was changed so drastically from the mod, so that it would fit better without screwing up the game. Games like Minecraft don't just add things willy-nilly, because with games like these, a very large majority has to like the game, and that majority can include all sorts of different opinions. They don't add Mo'creatures because not everyone wants 20 new pointless mobs in the game. They don't add generation mods because not everyone wants a Savannah biome. And they don't add pointless mods that a large portion of the community would hate. Mods are mods for a reason, deal with it.
Secondly, bug fixes are incredibly more important than features, deal with that fact as well. It's simple why: do you want a game with a fair amount of blocks, mobs, and items that runs smoothly down to the last Windows XP laptop? Or would you rather have a game with 5 new blocks every week, but so much lag and bugs that you can only run it on the latest desktop? It's not a simple answer of "give bug extermination to someone else", because each new feature brings new bugs, and it's the responsibility of the creator of the feature to fix these, not to powerhouse on through and leave it on someone else's plate.
I love this game, but my only gripe is this: the terrain is simply boring. I can start up any map, explore for 2000 blocks in any direction, and be sure to find nothing but gently rolling hills. I'm tired of this.
Minecraft is capable of generating such amazing geological forms - we've all seen mods that made us say "wow". Why can't it be an Option? I just do not understand WHY it can't be included.
There is a large team of very capable people working on minecraft, and to give us the option of interesting terrain would simply be a matter of changing a handful of variables in the terrain code, and the addition of one button option in the generation screen.
What's the harm in giving us that option? Why must the developers INSIST on providing bland, uninteresting terrain when the engine is effortlessly able to do so much more, all for nearly NO effort on their part.
I am simply baffled. Why not cater to more people? Why not provide for the people who want this? Why not??
Bland terrain? Please, you're looking at it all wrong. Not everything needs to be an overhang to be a cool feature. Look at deserts: you see a boring piece of sand, while me and others see an actual desert, barren of life, with an oasis of a village residing in it. I understand why that sounds like a bunch of "inner beauty" crap, but it's true.
Secondly, it's not an option because it's not "optioncraft", which is forum lingo for "You don't need a button to turn everything on or off". Buttons for this, that, and the other thing add absolutely nothing to the game, and it's an excuse made by suggestion makers to drive haters off their threads. Graphic options, such as fancy graphics, are the only real thing you can make optional. World generation is a picky subject, but you don't need an option to generation to alpha or whatever.
Most importantly, this is not a suggestion. Actually make a suggestion, don't just say terrain is "broken" (especially if it's not).
Look at deserts: you see a boring piece of sand, while me and others see an actual desert, barren of life, with an oasis of a village residing in it. I understand why that sounds like a bunch of "inner beauty" crap, but it's true.
I understand and agree: that style of terrain is naturalistic, and can be quite fun to play in. But sometimes we want grand spectacle. Sometimes we don't want subtlety; we want to be amazed. Minecraft terrain CAN do this.
Most importantly, this is not a suggestion. Actually make a suggestion, don't just say terrain is "broken" (especially if it's not).
I flatly disagree with you. This post of mine clearly fits the definition of the word "suggestion". If this isn't a suggestion to you, then how the heck do you define the word? And I am not saying the terrain is broken; I am saying it's functional, but could have the OPTION to be more interesting, for those that wish for that sort of thing. How could you possibly be against such a suggestion?
That's a strawman argument; you are misstating my point. I don't advocate ONLY having crazy terrain. I am asking for an option to have it. Completely missing the point of the "optioncraft" statement.
A single button would cover it. World types: Default | Superflat | Large Biomes | Fantasy
Is that really adding so much complexity? Really? I think we could handle it, and many would welcome it. Did I ever say a button was complex? No, it's the idea that adding a button for a detail you don't like somehow automatically makes it any better.
I flatly disagree with you. This post of mine clearly fits the definition of the word "suggestion". If this isn't a suggestion to you, then how the heck do you define the word? And I am not saying the terrain is broken; I am saying it's functional, but could have the OPTION to be more interesting, for those that wish for that sort of thing. How could you possibly be against such a suggestion? You don't have a suggestion at all, period. What on earth are you suggesting? "Fantasy generation", well, ok. That doesn't give us much to go on. "The current terrain is bland", all right for you, but still not a suggestion. The forum is littered with threads about terrain generation and various additions, including but not limited to returning the old generation, layered generation, and variations on such. But this thread is just "terrain is bland, make fantasy terrain".
We aren't mind readers, "fantasy generation" means nothing to us unless you describe it. There are lots of threads, some I agree with some that I do not, that include actual descriptions of how terrain would be generated. Most medium-sized ones contain pictures to boot.
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[quote=Badgerz]You have to keep in mind that people are stupid.
[quote=Catelite]Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't make it broken or pointless. >_<
And I respectfully disagree right back. Minecraft is about exploration, building and surviving.
You spawn in a new world in the base of a large valley 500 blocks wide and 200 blocks deep. There are patches of dense deciduous trees around you at the lowest elevation. Up higher, the valley rises into steep rocky peaks and ridges. Off in one direction, you can see an area filled with tall 30 block high sandstone hoodoos standing in front of the mouth of a large 50 block wide sandstone cave entrance.
....etc
Can you not see how amazing it would be to build and explore in a world like that?
We aren't mind readers, "fantasy generation" means nothing to us unless you describe it.
I apologize, but I was being vague on purpose. I am simply suggesting we have an option for what would essentially be larger terrain features; wider, deeper chasms. Taller mountains. Bigger caves, etc.
I apologize, but I was being vague on purpose. I am simply suggesting we have an option for what would essentially be larger terrain features; wider, deeper chasms. Taller mountains. Bigger caves, etc.
If that's the case, why have an entire new mode? Why not have it apply to Large Biomes?
I'm assuming nothing would break, it wouldn't really do anything else.
If you multiplied the current terrain generation with the large biomes, you'll receive 4 times larger mountains. Given current generation, I think that should work.
If that's the case, why have an entire new mode? Why not have it apply to Large Biomes?
I'm assuming nothing would break, it wouldn't really do anything else.
If you multiplied the current terrain generation with the large biomes, you'll receive 4 times larger mountains. Given current generation, I think that should work.
If that would fit the bill then sure, I'd support that. Though I'd like to see terrain more dramatic than even that.
As for mods? I'm one of the unlucky fools who due to some technical mystery, can't mod his Minecraft. Nothing I've tried works. I'm a game-modding veteran and I've been doing it to games since our family's first computer in 1997. My Minecraft goes blackscreen with MCLoader or anything similar. I've resinstalled Java, Reinstalled Minecraft, always delete Meta-Inf, etc. I've tried a million things, but I cannot mod my Minecraft in order to mod my terrain how I like.
I can do it on my laptop, but my laptop is old and useless for playing Minecraft.
Minecraft is capable of generating such amazing geological forms - we've all seen mods that made us say "wow". Why can't it be an Option? I just do not understand WHY it can't be included.
There is a large team of very capable people working on minecraft, and to give us the option of interesting terrain would simply be a matter of changing a handful of variables in the terrain code, and the addition of one button option in the generation screen.
What's the harm in giving us that option? Why must the developers INSIST on providing bland, uninteresting terrain when the engine is effortlessly able to do so much more, all for nearly NO effort on their part.
I am simply baffled. Why not cater to more people? Why not provide for the people who want this? Why not??
Game developers in general wont add mods to vanilla for a very simple reason: not everyone likes them! Look at pistons, their appearance was changed so drastically from the mod, so that it would fit better without screwing up the game. Games like Minecraft don't just add things willy-nilly, because with games like these, a very large majority has to like the game, and that majority can include all sorts of different opinions. They don't add Mo'creatures because not everyone wants 20 new pointless mobs in the game. They don't add generation mods because not everyone wants a Savannah biome. And they don't add pointless mods that a large portion of the community would hate. Mods are mods for a reason, deal with it.
Secondly, bug fixes are incredibly more important than features, deal with that fact as well. It's simple why: do you want a game with a fair amount of blocks, mobs, and items that runs smoothly down to the last Windows XP laptop? Or would you rather have a game with 5 new blocks every week, but so much lag and bugs that you can only run it on the latest desktop? It's not a simple answer of "give bug extermination to someone else", because each new feature brings new bugs, and it's the responsibility of the creator of the feature to fix these, not to powerhouse on through and leave it on someone else's plate.
Bland terrain? Please, you're looking at it all wrong. Not everything needs to be an overhang to be a cool feature. Look at deserts: you see a boring piece of sand, while me and others see an actual desert, barren of life, with an oasis of a village residing in it. I understand why that sounds like a bunch of "inner beauty" crap, but it's true.
Secondly, it's not an option because it's not "optioncraft", which is forum lingo for "You don't need a button to turn everything on or off". Buttons for this, that, and the other thing add absolutely nothing to the game, and it's an excuse made by suggestion makers to drive haters off their threads. Graphic options, such as fancy graphics, are the only real thing you can make optional. World generation is a picky subject, but you don't need an option to generation to alpha or whatever.
Most importantly, this is not a suggestion. Actually make a suggestion, don't just say terrain is "broken" (especially if it's not).
[quote=Badgerz]You have to keep in mind that people are stupid.
[quote=Catelite]Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't make it broken or pointless. >_<
That's a strawman argument; you are misstating my point. I don't advocate ONLY having crazy terrain. I am asking for an option to have it.
I understand and agree: that style of terrain is naturalistic, and can be quite fun to play in. But sometimes we want grand spectacle. Sometimes we don't want subtlety; we want to be amazed. Minecraft terrain CAN do this.
A single button would cover it. World types: Default | Superflat | Large Biomes | Fantasy
Is that really adding so much complexity? Really? I think we could handle it, and many would welcome it.
I flatly disagree with you. This post of mine clearly fits the definition of the word "suggestion". If this isn't a suggestion to you, then how the heck do you define the word? And I am not saying the terrain is broken; I am saying it's functional, but could have the OPTION to be more interesting, for those that wish for that sort of thing. How could you possibly be against such a suggestion?
We aren't mind readers, "fantasy generation" means nothing to us unless you describe it. There are lots of threads, some I agree with some that I do not, that include actual descriptions of how terrain would be generated. Most medium-sized ones contain pictures to boot.
[quote=Badgerz]You have to keep in mind that people are stupid.
[quote=Catelite]Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't make it broken or pointless. >_<
And I respectfully disagree right back. Minecraft is about exploration, building and surviving.
You spawn in a new world in the base of a large valley 500 blocks wide and 200 blocks deep. There are patches of dense deciduous trees around you at the lowest elevation. Up higher, the valley rises into steep rocky peaks and ridges. Off in one direction, you can see an area filled with tall 30 block high sandstone hoodoos standing in front of the mouth of a large 50 block wide sandstone cave entrance.
....etc
Can you not see how amazing it would be to build and explore in a world like that?
Haha. What the hell?
I apologize, but I was being vague on purpose. I am simply suggesting we have an option for what would essentially be larger terrain features; wider, deeper chasms. Taller mountains. Bigger caves, etc.
If that's the case, why have an entire new mode? Why not have it apply to Large Biomes?
I'm assuming nothing would break, it wouldn't really do anything else.
If you multiplied the current terrain generation with the large biomes, you'll receive 4 times larger mountains. Given current generation, I think that should work.
[quote=Badgerz]You have to keep in mind that people are stupid.
[quote=Catelite]Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't make it broken or pointless. >_<
If that would fit the bill then sure, I'd support that. Though I'd like to see terrain more dramatic than even that.
As for mods? I'm one of the unlucky fools who due to some technical mystery, can't mod his Minecraft. Nothing I've tried works. I'm a game-modding veteran and I've been doing it to games since our family's first computer in 1997. My Minecraft goes blackscreen with MCLoader or anything similar. I've resinstalled Java, Reinstalled Minecraft, always delete Meta-Inf, etc. I've tried a million things, but I cannot mod my Minecraft in order to mod my terrain how I like.
I can do it on my laptop, but my laptop is old and useless for playing Minecraft.