Try it and tell us how much fun you end up having.
I'd been playing a month WITHOUT pillaring and didn't find it an unreasonable burden. I only learned it a few days ago and once I tried it, I realized that it was a cheap trick and using it to escape mobs cheapened the survival gameplay... especially since the game's AI doesn't give mobs the ability to counter it.
Wonderful. So DON'T ****ING DO IT. No need to **** up everyone else's game by removing block placement and digging, both of which would require elimination to avoid "cheap tricks".
What the **** concern is it of yours if people cheapen their survival experience? It's not yours!
Selfish...
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If this thread were a girlfriend, it'd do everything but anal.
There is EVERYTHING selfish about trying to remove an incredibly useful practice AND half the gameplay just because you don't want anyone playing in ways you disapprove of.
Hey Einstein, it was NOTCH who said he preferred survival to be HARDER than easier. But some just need the crutch of such cheap tricks. What are you, five and afraid? Are you going to whine whenever the game is made harder? Gee! Spiders could never climb and now they can!!!
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And you can dig a 3-block hole and be out of danger forever. Cheap tricks, indeed - should DIGGING be removed?
I've already addressed this. Yes this is a cheap trick especially since the game's AI is to primitive to allow mobs to get you. All mobs should be allowed to destroy blocks as is rumored for Zombie Siege. Then you can be the first to whine about that too.
Grow up P. Just because a game had a feature in alpha doesn't mean it MUST survive even if it ruins SURVIVAL gameplay. You can always wimp out by turning the difficulty settings down.
Try it and tell us how much fun you end up having.
I'd been playing a month WITHOUT pillaring and didn't find it an unreasonable burden. I only learned it a few days ago and once I tried it, I realized that it was a cheap trick and using it to escape mobs cheapened the survival gameplay... especially since the game's AI doesn't give mobs the ability to counter it.
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I'm glad that you've admitted that it is completely possible for you to play the game you want to play it, while other people can play the game the way they want to play it, and you don't "find it an unreasonable burden" at all. Awesome, so now that we know that you can play the game exactly how you want to play it without anything being changed...there is no reason to change anything.
There is EVERYTHING selfish about trying to remove an incredibly useful practice AND half the gameplay just because you don't want anyone playing in ways you disapprove of.
Hey Einstein, it was NOTCH who said he preferred survival to be HARDER than easier. But some just need the crutch of such cheap tricks. What are you, five and afraid? Are you going to whine whenever the game is made harder? Gee! Spiders could never climb and now they can!!!
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And you can dig a 3-block hole and be out of danger forever. Cheap tricks, indeed - should DIGGING be removed?
I've already addressed this. Yes this is a cheap trick especially since the game's AI is to primitive to allow mobs to get you. All mobs should be allowed to destroy blocks as is rumored for Zombie Siege. Then you can be the first to whine about that too.
Grow up P. Just because a game had a feature in alpha doesn't mean it MUST survive even if it ruins SURVIVAL gameplay. You can always wimp out by turning the difficulty settings down.
Just because you're a selfish twit that has a stick rammed up the ass over something that DOESN'T AFFECT YOU AT ALL doesn't mean anything should be removed.
The problem isn't making the game harder. The problem is you're being a self-centered little asshat trying to remove gameplay elements that everyone else finds useful - For scaffolding, building, determining distance to the height limit, and suicide towers - NOT pillaring. And most people build in survival, so don't give me that creative mode ********.
And again, the only way to remove this would be removing block-placing ability. Enjoy destroying Minecraft.
Now, give me one good reason why this should be removed from EVERYONE'S game just to suit YOUR playstyle, despite it having no effect on you at all if you just DON'T ****ING USE IT.
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If this thread were a girlfriend, it'd do everything but anal.
Sometimes they just want to build on Survival Mode.
But why should the SURVIVAL aspects of SURVIVAL mode get watered down just because some want to keep some cheap tricks that allow them to easily scale cliffs or evade danger without any thought? It's not as if they can't build in other modes.
Sometimes they just want to build on Survival Mode.
But why should the SURVIVAL aspects of SURVIVAL mode get watered down just because some want to keep some cheap tricks that allow them to easily scale cliffs or evade danger without any thought? It's not as if they can't build in other modes.
Why should you give a ****? It's their game that they're in, not yours. And she's talking about BUILDING, not pillaring and climbing.
And scaling cliffs is a pain in the ass, breaking and placing blocks to even out the path for jumping up the cliffside. So I build an elevator shaft out of wood, ladders, and - you guessed it - pillaring. Want to cry about it?
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If this thread were a girlfriend, it'd do everything but anal.
Just because you're a selfish twit that has a stick rammed up the ass over something that DOESN'T AFFECT YOU AT ALL doesn't mean anything should be removed.
I think I understand your position and infantile attitude sufficiently well, and it's clear you're just not worth responding to any longer.
Sometimes they just want to build on Survival Mode.
But why should the SURVIVAL aspects of SURVIVAL mode get watered down just because some want to keep some cheap tricks that allow them to easily scale cliffs or evade danger without any thought? It's not as if they can't build in other modes.
You want Adventure mode, which is still being planned, and will not allow the placing/destruction of blocks by players.
Survival mode is called that because it is a constant mode with no clearly defined purpose other than staying alive...and guess what, building stuff to keep the mobs away is SURVIVING.
Just because you're a selfish twit that has a stick rammed up the ass over something that DOESN'T AFFECT YOU AT ALL doesn't mean anything should be removed.
I think I understand your position and infantile attitude sufficiently well, and it's clear you're just not worth responding to any longer.
Infantile? You're the selfish ******* trying to ruin Minecraft by removing core game elements.
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If this thread were a girlfriend, it'd do everything but anal.
Sometimes they just want to build on Survival Mode.
But why should the SURVIVAL aspects of SURVIVAL mode get watered down just because some want to keep some cheap tricks that allow them to easily scale cliffs or evade danger without any thought? It's not as if they can't build in other modes.
Because...they just want to build on survival mode? Why should you care how OTHER people play, as stated before? Are you going to whine about people using InvEdit? Are you going to whine about people who download pre-built maps? Use mods? Play on Peaceful? Want to farm instead of hide from mobs? Want to dig instead of fight mobs? Want to dye wool instead of fight mobs? Want to make redstone creations instead of fight mobs? Want to keep mobs away with walls or pillars rather than battle mobs? You are missing the fact that not everyone plays like YOU, and they don't need to.
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He is stating:
People make pillars by placing blocks,
Thus he wants to remove the ability to place blocks and finally;
If you're trying to employ logic, why isn't your argument logical?
Eliminating the ability to jump and place blocks beneath you to build towers is NOT the same as wanting to elimate placing blocks. I also said this cheap trick to evade danger would be less of an issue in the the quality of survival mode gameplay if the mob AI were improved to counter pillaring and simple 1x3 pits.
There is EVERYTHING selfish about trying to remove an incredibly useful practice AND half the gameplay just because you don't want anyone playing in ways you disapprove of.
Hey Einstein, it was NOTCH who said he preferred survival to be HARDER than easier. But some just need the crutch of such cheap tricks. What are you, five and afraid? Are you going to whine whenever the game is made harder? Gee! Spiders could never climb and now they can!!!
Quote from PyroNox »
And you can dig a 3-block hole and be out of danger forever. Cheap tricks, indeed - should DIGGING be removed?
I've already addressed this. Yes this is a cheap trick especially since the game's AI is to primitive to allow mobs to get you. All mobs should be allowed to destroy blocks as is rumored for Zombie Siege. Then you can be the first to whine about that too.
Grow up P. Just because a game had a feature in alpha doesn't mean it MUST survive even if it ruins SURVIVAL gameplay. You can always wimp out by turning the difficulty settings down.
Just because you're a selfish twit that has a stick rammed up the ass over something that DOESN'T AFFECT YOU AT ALL doesn't mean anything should be removed.
The problem isn't making the game harder. The problem is you're being a self-centered little asshat trying to remove gameplay elements that everyone else finds useful - For scaffolding, building, determining distance to the height limit, and suicide towers - NOT pillaring. And most people build in survival, so don't give me that creative mode ********.
And again, the only way to remove this would be removing block-placing ability. Enjoy destroying Minecraft.
Now, give me one good reason why this should be removed from EVERYONE'S game just to suit YOUR playstyle, despite it having no effect on you at all if you just DON'T ****ING USE IT.
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If this thread were a girlfriend, it'd do everything but anal.
Sometimes they just want to build on Survival Mode.
But why should the SURVIVAL aspects of SURVIVAL mode get watered down just because some want to keep some cheap tricks that allow them to easily scale cliffs or evade danger without any thought? It's not as if they can't build in other modes.
Why should you give a ****? It's their game that they're in, not yours. And she's talking about BUILDING, not pillaring and climbing.
And scaling cliffs is a pain in the ass, breaking and placing blocks to even out the path for jumping up the cliffside. So I build an elevator shaft out of wood, ladders, and - you guessed it - pillaring. Want to cry about it?
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Quote from yoshi9048 »
If this thread were a girlfriend, it'd do everything but anal.
He is stating:
People make pillars by placing blocks,
Thus he wants to remove the ability to place blocks and finally;
If you're trying to employ logic, why isn't your argument logical?
Eliminating the ability to jump and place blocks beneath you to build towers is NOT the same as wanting to elimate placing blocks. I also said this cheap trick to evade danger would be less of an issue in the the quality of survival mode gameplay if the mob AI were improved to counter pillaring and simple 1x3 pits.
The only other way to remove it is a ridiculous drop of the height limit. Again, why are you so hellbent on removing an element most players find exceedingly useful, when it has no effect on you?
Also, valid points above. Refute them or get out, seeing as your entire argument amounts to **** in light of them.
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If this thread were a girlfriend, it'd do everything but anal.
Eliminating the ability to jump and place blocks beneath you to build towers is NOT the same as wanting to elimate placing blocks. I also said this cheap trick to evade danger would be less of an issue in the the quality of survival mode gameplay if the mob AI were improved to counter pillaring and simple 1x3 pits.
As said before, why is this a problem again, other than the fact that it conflicts with the way YOU play Minecraft and you want it removed for anyone else? Being able to jump and place blocks under you is a very important part of building. Switching to Peaceful before dying is way more cheap than Building a pillar, yet you are fixating on this aspect of the game.
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If you're trying to employ logic, why isn't your argument logical?
Eliminating the ability to jump and place blocks beneath you to build towers is NOT the same as wanting to elimate placing blocks.
If you can't jump and place blocks beneath you, would you be able to jump and place blocks beside you? What would stop you from just building a 2x1 tower instead of a 1x1 tower? And if you can still pillar using a 2x1 tower...what is the point of removing the "jump and place" ability in the first place?
I also said this cheap trick to evade danger would be less of an issue in the the quality of survival mode gameplay if the mob AI were improved to counter pillaring and simple 1x3 pits.
So SUGGEST SOMETHING TO MAKE THEM BETTER. Christ man, if you could be satisfied just by having different mobs or better AI then why is your first action posting a thread about taking away very basic gameplay features? Why not suggest some sort of flying mob or something that could attack you even on top of the pillar (I'm assuming you've already been over the fact that spiders can climb vertical surfaces by now...)
You are missing the fact that not everyone plays like YOU, and they don't need to.
Sorry, I'm not missing anything. There are various modes for various preferences of gameplay.
What's unreasonable here is for some to expect the quality of SURVIVAL gameplay, which Notch himself said he preferred to be DIFFICLULT, to be watered down to suit the desires of builders who want a tad of excitement.
If the various modes up the number and capacity of threats, there's no reason to not also limit game features that make survival gameplay too easy.
What's unreasonable here is for some to expect the quality of SURVIVAL gameplay, which Notch himself said he preferred to be DIFFICLULT, to be watered down to suit the desires of builders who want a tad of excitement.
"Now, give me one good reason why this should be removed from EVERYONE'S game just to suit YOUR playstyle, despite it having no effect on you at all if you just DON'T ****ING USE IT."
Get to it. Your entire ******** argument hinges on just one reason. Can you manage even one?
And AGAIN, the only way to limit this is to **** around with established elements: Block placement, or the height limit.
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If this thread were a girlfriend, it'd do everything but anal.
I also said this cheap trick to evade danger would be less of an issue in the the quality of survival mode gameplay if the mob AI were improved to counter pillaring and simple 1x3 pits.
So SUGGEST SOMETHING TO MAKE THEM BETTER. Christ man, if you could be satisfied just by having different mobs or better AI then why is your first action posting a thread about taking away very basic gameplay features? Why not suggest some sort of flying mob or something that could attack you even on top of the pillar (I'm assuming you've already been over the fact that spiders can climb vertical surfaces by now...)
Simple. I thought of the AI solution later when it came to pillars for night shelters.
But I still object to pillaring for other reasons... like using them to scale cliffs in 30 seconds instead of being forced to hack a trail to the top. It's just not a real-world capability and should be restricted to non-survival mode play.
Wonderful. So DON'T ****ING DO IT. No need to **** up everyone else's game by removing block placement and digging, both of which would require elimination to avoid "cheap tricks".
What the **** concern is it of yours if people cheapen their survival experience? It's not yours!
Selfish...
Hey Einstein, it was NOTCH who said he preferred survival to be HARDER than easier. But some just need the crutch of such cheap tricks. What are you, five and afraid? Are you going to whine whenever the game is made harder? Gee! Spiders could never climb and now they can!!!
I've already addressed this. Yes this is a cheap trick especially since the game's AI is to primitive to allow mobs to get you. All mobs should be allowed to destroy blocks as is rumored for Zombie Siege. Then you can be the first to whine about that too.
Grow up P. Just because a game had a feature in alpha doesn't mean it MUST survive even if it ruins SURVIVAL gameplay. You can always wimp out by turning the difficulty settings down.
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I'm glad that you've admitted that it is completely possible for you to play the game you want to play it, while other people can play the game the way they want to play it, and you don't "find it an unreasonable burden" at all. Awesome, so now that we know that you can play the game exactly how you want to play it without anything being changed...there is no reason to change anything.
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Just because you're a selfish twit that has a stick rammed up the ass over something that DOESN'T AFFECT YOU AT ALL doesn't mean anything should be removed.
The problem isn't making the game harder. The problem is you're being a self-centered little asshat trying to remove gameplay elements that everyone else finds useful - For scaffolding, building, determining distance to the height limit, and suicide towers - NOT pillaring. And most people build in survival, so don't give me that creative mode ********.
And again, the only way to remove this would be removing block-placing ability. Enjoy destroying Minecraft.
Now, give me one good reason why this should be removed from EVERYONE'S game just to suit YOUR playstyle, despite it having no effect on you at all if you just DON'T ****ING USE IT.
But why should the SURVIVAL aspects of SURVIVAL mode get watered down just because some want to keep some cheap tricks that allow them to easily scale cliffs or evade danger without any thought? It's not as if they can't build in other modes.
Why should you give a ****? It's their game that they're in, not yours. And she's talking about BUILDING, not pillaring and climbing.
And scaling cliffs is a pain in the ass, breaking and placing blocks to even out the path for jumping up the cliffside. So I build an elevator shaft out of wood, ladders, and - you guessed it - pillaring. Want to cry about it?
I think I understand your position and infantile attitude sufficiently well, and it's clear you're just not worth responding to any longer.
You want Adventure mode, which is still being planned, and will not allow the placing/destruction of blocks by players.
Survival mode is called that because it is a constant mode with no clearly defined purpose other than staying alive...and guess what, building stuff to keep the mobs away is SURVIVING.
Using a Mob Spawner and a Stick to Master the Animal Kingdom
Infantile? You're the selfish ******* trying to ruin Minecraft by removing core game elements.
Because...they just want to build on survival mode? Why should you care how OTHER people play, as stated before? Are you going to whine about people using InvEdit? Are you going to whine about people who download pre-built maps? Use mods? Play on Peaceful? Want to farm instead of hide from mobs? Want to dig instead of fight mobs? Want to dye wool instead of fight mobs? Want to make redstone creations instead of fight mobs? Want to keep mobs away with walls or pillars rather than battle mobs? You are missing the fact that not everyone plays like YOU, and they don't need to.
If you're trying to employ logic, why isn't your argument logical?
Eliminating the ability to jump and place blocks beneath you to build towers is NOT the same as wanting to elimate placing blocks. I also said this cheap trick to evade danger would be less of an issue in the the quality of survival mode gameplay if the mob AI were improved to counter pillaring and simple 1x3 pits.
The only other way to remove it is a ridiculous drop of the height limit. Again, why are you so hellbent on removing an element most players find exceedingly useful, when it has no effect on you?
Also, valid points above. Refute them or get out, seeing as your entire argument amounts to **** in light of them.
As said before, why is this a problem again, other than the fact that it conflicts with the way YOU play Minecraft and you want it removed for anyone else? Being able to jump and place blocks under you is a very important part of building. Switching to Peaceful before dying is way more cheap than Building a pillar, yet you are fixating on this aspect of the game.
If you can't jump and place blocks beneath you, would you be able to jump and place blocks beside you? What would stop you from just building a 2x1 tower instead of a 1x1 tower? And if you can still pillar using a 2x1 tower...what is the point of removing the "jump and place" ability in the first place?
So SUGGEST SOMETHING TO MAKE THEM BETTER. Christ man, if you could be satisfied just by having different mobs or better AI then why is your first action posting a thread about taking away very basic gameplay features? Why not suggest some sort of flying mob or something that could attack you even on top of the pillar (I'm assuming you've already been over the fact that spiders can climb vertical surfaces by now...)
Using a Mob Spawner and a Stick to Master the Animal Kingdom
Sorry, I'm not missing anything. There are various modes for various preferences of gameplay.
What's unreasonable here is for some to expect the quality of SURVIVAL gameplay, which Notch himself said he preferred to be DIFFICLULT, to be watered down to suit the desires of builders who want a tad of excitement.
If the various modes up the number and capacity of threats, there's no reason to not also limit game features that make survival gameplay too easy.
"Now, give me one good reason why this should be removed from EVERYONE'S game just to suit YOUR playstyle, despite it having no effect on you at all if you just DON'T ****ING USE IT."
Get to it. Your entire ******** argument hinges on just one reason. Can you manage even one?
And AGAIN, the only way to limit this is to **** around with established elements: Block placement, or the height limit.
Simple. I thought of the AI solution later when it came to pillars for night shelters.
But I still object to pillaring for other reasons... like using them to scale cliffs in 30 seconds instead of being forced to hack a trail to the top. It's just not a real-world capability and should be restricted to non-survival mode play.