This thread is a disaster so far, but yes, since wolves got biomic updates, foxes should too. Both are canines that hunt smaller passive mobs. It would also be nice to have foxes be marginally more common and deserts and tundras could use a bit more wildlife. I personally do not interact with foxes much as I consider them a hassle, but I understand their usefulness for berry farms.
Didn't they use a few Fox variants for some of the new Wolf versions?
I don't understand your question and have the impression that you're a bot (no offense). As far as I know, it's just the orange texture for foxes, unless you mean that there were unused textures that were then ported to wolves. But wolves don't even have the same model, only similar.
The reason for wolves getting textures is to help distinguish them by biome of origin and hide them better when predating. Foxes only show up in forests and only attack at night, so as of right now there is no functional argument for giving them textures. But there is opportunity to expand their predation habits and biome locations out just as has been done for wolves, and previously rabbits. I only worry that this will lead to rabbits being super-hunted in all their biomes, as per this other thread: Rabbit Hide doesn't need to exist - Discussion - Minecraft: Java Edition - Minecraft Forum - Minecraft Forum
*Pardon, I read your reply here before your other two to me, I can see you're a person and one of those replies was in the hide thread as well.
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No. Some of the new Wolf colors, were based on real world Wolves and Foxes. I had seen somewhere, where they made comparisons saying as such anyway. That's what I was asking after.
And I am a little offended you think I'm a bot. One that's made 105 posts since May and hasn't been caught or reported yet.
For shame good sir and/or Madam. /sarcasm
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you. Fool me three times, hold up, rewind, That's not even possible.
No. Some of the new Wolf colors, were based on real world Wolves and Foxes. I had seen somewhere, where they made comparisons saying as such anyway. That's what I was asking after.
And I am a little offended you think I'm a bot. One that's made 105 posts since May and hasn't been caught or reported yet.
For shame good sir and/or Madam. /sarcasm
I think it was your wording in your last post that confused me here "a few Fox variants" with fox in uppercase. Yes, it makes sense, but in that case, fox textures would be redundant to wolves and players might confuse one for another.
Because, and I'm probably going to get called out for speculating again, but it's a disaster because the thread is one of many on the forums that seems "orchestrated". I watched it get posted (when it was 10 minutes fresh) and get two replies within those ten minutes, and once again by people joining on the same day. The third person went and changed their avatar after the fact. Now I'm not sure what there would be to orchestrate here or why; no advertising was dropped (yet?) and maybe it's just three friends who all didn't have accounts and wanted to post and support the idea. Nothing is wrong with this thread itself, but yeah... if the thread seems odd, that's why. There's a lot of this "orchestrated thread creation and abandon" going on and it's definitely a disaster. This forum has a big problem with this sort of thing but it would probably be hard to manually moderate. To take action, you need firm facts, not just speculation. But it's pretty obvious to see there's something going on with a lot of these threads, and it clutters up the forum and causes confusion.
I have no idea what the follow up response (right before yours) was though, haha. It's their first post but they posted days later, and joined over two years ago. Seemingly someone who, like you, saw the thread was a disaster and got upset and was telling them off, but... odd timing. If it was an account that joined the same day it posted, I'd speculate it's just another "orchestrated" account trying to bring more exposure to the thread, but it's two years old.
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So something I just found out, is that there is actually 2 variants of Fox; the Red Fox that spawns in Taiga and its variant biomes, and then the White Fox that spawns in the Snowy Taiga and Grove biomes. I think for the purpose they serve, there's really no need for any more Fox variants. You can't tame them like Wolves, and they don't attack every mob that can damage the player like Wolves do.
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you. Fool me three times, hold up, rewind, That's not even possible.
So something I just found out, is that there is actually 2 variants of Fox; the Red Fox that spawns in Taiga and its variant biomes, and then the White Fox that spawns in the Snowy Taiga and Grove biomes. I think for the purpose they serve, there's really no need for any more Fox variants. You can't tame them like Wolves, and they don't attack every mob that can damage the player like Wolves do.
I would appreciate a desert fox variant for the simple sake of having a unique colouration for a rarer and distinct biome.
Because, and I'm probably going to get called out for speculating again, but it's a disaster because the thread is one of many on the forums that seems "orchestrated". I watched it get posted (when it was 10 minutes fresh) and get two replies within those ten minutes, and once again by people joining on the same day. The third person went and changed their avatar after the fact. Now I'm not sure what there would be to orchestrate here or why; no advertising was dropped (yet?) and maybe it's just three friends who all didn't have accounts and wanted to post and support the idea. Nothing is wrong with this thread itself, but yeah... if the thread seems odd, that's why. There's a lot of this "orchestrated thread creation and abandon" going on and it's definitely a disaster. This forum has a big problem with this sort of thing but it would probably be hard to manually moderate. To take action, you need firm facts, not just speculation. But it's pretty obvious to see there's something going on with a lot of these threads, and it clutters up the forum and causes confusion.
I have no idea what the follow up response (right before yours) was though, haha. It's their first post but they posted days later, and joined over two years ago. Seemingly someone who, like you, saw the thread was a disaster and got upset and was telling them off, but... odd timing. If it was an account that joined the same day it posted, I'd speculate it's just another "orchestrated" account trying to bring more exposure to the thread, but it's two years old.
Yeah, that's wacky. I don't know what to think anymore, this place is flooded with bad actors. Dead internet.
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Orchestrated or not, some of these suggestions seem interesting enough to implement, whether I like them or not. And with the same 5 or 6 people consistently posting, any amount of attention might just be a good thing since the entire forum might be in a state of decay.
More Fox variants? As I said, I don't see the need for them. Ambiance sake or not.
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More foxes would be welcome, but at the same time, I don't think they're really needed. A desert variant (perhaps with a desert update), sure, but I don't think they need a handful of variants like wolves, nor to be a common mob.
The other thing is that while some ideas can be good, content is unfortunately a bit of a zero sum game. Adding new things takes away from development time of what could be other things, so there's a lot of things that could be good with little to no drawbacks, but they may be too minor to consider.
Content farms running with hundreds of phones that sell their content posting service to whoever wants it are (and for a long time, have been) a thing, for those unaware. Now add "AI" (which is more or less just pattern trained results creation) to the mix.
Unfortunately, these forums seem to have been decaying for over half a decade now. Now that in itself isn't so bad, because the forums used to be huge, and few if anything stays growing or popular for long, but the current state does appear to be a concerning one. Minecraft's initial boom sustained the place in its early years, perhaps especially helped by having a link here from the game's official launcher (!), but that didn't stay, and then starting in the early to mid-2010s, both the internet and how we use it changed once phones got added to the mix, so the rise of places like Reddit (and later, Discord), from niche to big front page of the internet, overtook old fashioned forums, which pretty much had their heyday in the 2000s and were becoming less popular come the 2010s (these forums were thus an exception, simply because Minecraft itself was an exception, and not the norm). Add to that how the forum software that these forums changed to forever ago now is pretty bad (this hurts the user experience), and then consider the bots, advertisers, spam, etc., (which do the same) and well... it becomes a positive feedback loop. To be fair and give credit where it's due, this sort of thing might be hard to manually moderate, and the advertising used to be worse, so there was seemingly effort put into moderating/deleting this, but... I've no idea why this forum in particular seems to have an issue with this.
It makes me sad to say, but while the first possible shutdown announcement surprised me, I wouldn't be surprised if another one comes, be it tomorrow or years from now. I hope I'm wrong that things are bad enough that such a thing is likely, but these places aren't run for free, and once it becomes unsustainable, the idea of keeping it going becomes questionable.
More foxes would be welcome, but at the same time, I don't think they're really needed. A desert variant (perhaps with a desert update), sure, but I don't think they need a handful of variants like wolves, nor to be a common mob.
The other thing is that while some ideas can be good, content is unfortunately a bit of a zero sum game. Adding new things takes away from development time of what could be other things, so there's a lot of things that could be good with little to no drawbacks, but they may be too minor to consider.
Content farms running with hundreds of phones that sell their content posting service to whoever wants it are (and for a long time, have been) a thing, for those unaware. Now add "AI" (which is more or less just pattern trained results creation) to the mix.
Unfortunately, these forums seem to have been decaying for over half a decade now. Now that in itself isn't so bad, because the forums used to be huge, and few if anything stays growing or popular for long, but the current state does appear to be a concerning one. Minecraft's initial boom sustained the place in its early years, perhaps especially helped by having a link here from the game's official launcher (!), but that didn't stay, and then starting in the early to mid-2010s, both the internet and how we use it changed once phones got added to the mix, so the rise of places like Reddit (and later, Discord), from niche to big front page of the internet, overtook old fashioned forums, which pretty much had their heyday in the 2000s and were becoming less popular come the 2010s (these forums were thus an exception, simply because Minecraft itself was an exception, and not the norm). Add to that how the forum software that these forums changed to forever ago now is pretty bad (this hurts the user experience), and then consider the bots, advertisers, spam, etc., (which do the same) and well... it becomes a positive feedback loop. To be fair and give credit where it's due, this sort of thing might be hard to manually moderate, and the advertising used to be worse, so there was seemingly effort put into moderating/deleting this, but... I've no idea why this forum in particular seems to have an issue with this.
It makes me sad to say, but while the first possible shutdown announcement surprised me, I wouldn't be surprised if another one comes, be it tomorrow or years from now. I hope I'm wrong that things are bad enough that such a thing is likely, but these places aren't run for free, and once it becomes unsustainable, the idea of keeping it going becomes questionable.
It's even worse than I thought, it seems.
People generally seem to view foxes as the 'three temperatures', temperate, arctic, desert, which is seen frequently in design choices for other games' biomes and animals. Some examples including Tanks Territory's worlds, and BuKnight's worlds and enemies.
I am the cold fox, of course.
Now the issue with fennecs (Desert foxes) is they have a distinct shape in real life. Arctic foxes are pudgier and stouter than red foxes but the difference is negligible in a blocky game. Fennecs however are not just different proportions on the same respective shapes but different shapes altogether. I personally don't think this matters and the same model could just be retextured once more, but who knows who says it's important for whyever reason. Desert cats have the same model as other cats even though a desert cat is also differently shaped in real life. Same again for wolves.
Fennec foxes are definitely different. They are much smaller and have larger ears, so the existing models wouldn't be a good representation for them, but Minecraft doesn't have to limit its mobs to real life. If it just wants to add a "fox, but warmer" alternative, it can do so if it wants.
A lot of animals seem to follow the trend of being smaller in the warmer climates and larger in the colder ones now that i think of it. Canines/wolves are another example, but they simply recolored those and it worked well enough. I was thinking the same thing as you though (in regards to size) and I made a suggestion thread about it, and the wolves they were adding was part of what made me think about it.
Fennec foxes are definitely different. They are much smaller and have larger ears, so the existing models wouldn't be a good representation for them, but Minecraft doesn't have to limit its mobs to real life. If it just wants to add a "fox, but warmer" alternative, it can do so if it wants.
A lot of animals seem to follow the trend of being smaller in the warmer climates and larger in the colder ones now that i think of it. Canines/wolves are another example, but they simply recolored those and it worked well enough. I was thinking the same thing as you though (in regards to size) and I made a suggestion thread about it, and the wolves they were adding was part of what made me think about it.
Part of the 'largeness' of 'cold biome' creatures is having super thick fur while the 'hot biome' ones have thin fur.
Part of, yes, but I'm not sure how that's too important to note unless you're saying that's entirely it. Typically, animals in warmer climates (at least ones that also have counterparts in colder climates) tend to have a smaller body mass.
People generally seem to view foxes as the 'three temperatures', temperate, arctic, desert, which is seen frequently in design choices for other games' biomes and animals. Some examples including Tanks Territory's worlds, and BuKnight's worlds and enemies.
I am the cold fox, of course.
Now the issue with fennecs (Desert foxes) is they have a distinct shape in real life. Arctic foxes are pudgier and stouter than red foxes but the difference is negligible in a blocky game. Fennecs however are not just different proportions on the same respective shapes but different shapes altogether. I personally don't think this matters and the same model could just be retextured once more, but who knows who says it's important for whyever reason. Desert cats have the same model as other cats even though a desert cat is also differently shaped in real life. Same again for wolves.
Correcting myself, I read somewhere yesterday that wolves have different models based on biome now. So disregard me, and tack on work for parity here with cats and rabbits, and for making foxes.
Part of, yes, but I'm not sure how that's too important to note unless you're saying that's entirely it. Typically, animals in warmer climates (at least ones that also have counterparts in colder climates) tend to have a smaller body mass.
The difference is just more of a 'scale' thing from cold to temperate rather than a 'relative dimensions' thing from temperate to hot. But it's negligible compared to the player size and in the very niche context it applies to here.
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Scratch that again, wikipedia says arctic foxes have stouter dimensions than red foxes. So I guess the models being the same in game between red and white means we don't need a new model for yellow.
Minecraft has a real lack of different fox species and it should really get a few more.
you're so real, we need desert foxes as its the best animal in minecraft.
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This thread is a disaster so far, but yes, since wolves got biomic updates, foxes should too. Both are canines that hunt smaller passive mobs. It would also be nice to have foxes be marginally more common and deserts and tundras could use a bit more wildlife. I personally do not interact with foxes much as I consider them a hassle, but I understand their usefulness for berry farms.
Didn't they use a few Fox variants for some of the new Wolf versions?
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you. Fool me three times, hold up, rewind, That's not even possible.
Using the ignore feature here is kinda weird.
I don't understand your question and have the impression that you're a bot (no offense). As far as I know, it's just the orange texture for foxes, unless you mean that there were unused textures that were then ported to wolves. But wolves don't even have the same model, only similar.
The reason for wolves getting textures is to help distinguish them by biome of origin and hide them better when predating. Foxes only show up in forests and only attack at night, so as of right now there is no functional argument for giving them textures. But there is opportunity to expand their predation habits and biome locations out just as has been done for wolves, and previously rabbits. I only worry that this will lead to rabbits being super-hunted in all their biomes, as per this other thread: Rabbit Hide doesn't need to exist - Discussion - Minecraft: Java Edition - Minecraft Forum - Minecraft Forum
*Pardon, I read your reply here before your other two to me, I can see you're a person and one of those replies was in the hide thread as well.
No. Some of the new Wolf colors, were based on real world Wolves and Foxes. I had seen somewhere, where they made comparisons saying as such anyway. That's what I was asking after.
And I am a little offended you think I'm a bot. One that's made 105 posts since May and hasn't been caught or reported yet.
For shame good sir and/or Madam. /sarcasm
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you. Fool me three times, hold up, rewind, That's not even possible.
Using the ignore feature here is kinda weird.
I think it was your wording in your last post that confused me here "a few Fox variants" with fox in uppercase. Yes, it makes sense, but in that case, fox textures would be redundant to wolves and players might confuse one for another.
Because, and I'm probably going to get called out for speculating again, but it's a disaster because the thread is one of many on the forums that seems "orchestrated". I watched it get posted (when it was 10 minutes fresh) and get two replies within those ten minutes, and once again by people joining on the same day. The third person went and changed their avatar after the fact. Now I'm not sure what there would be to orchestrate here or why; no advertising was dropped (yet?) and maybe it's just three friends who all didn't have accounts and wanted to post and support the idea. Nothing is wrong with this thread itself, but yeah... if the thread seems odd, that's why. There's a lot of this "orchestrated thread creation and abandon" going on and it's definitely a disaster. This forum has a big problem with this sort of thing but it would probably be hard to manually moderate. To take action, you need firm facts, not just speculation. But it's pretty obvious to see there's something going on with a lot of these threads, and it clutters up the forum and causes confusion.
I have no idea what the follow up response (right before yours) was though, haha. It's their first post but they posted days later, and joined over two years ago. Seemingly someone who, like you, saw the thread was a disaster and got upset and was telling them off, but... odd timing. If it was an account that joined the same day it posted, I'd speculate it's just another "orchestrated" account trying to bring more exposure to the thread, but it's two years old.
So something I just found out, is that there is actually 2 variants of Fox; the Red Fox that spawns in Taiga and its variant biomes, and then the White Fox that spawns in the Snowy Taiga and Grove biomes. I think for the purpose they serve, there's really no need for any more Fox variants. You can't tame them like Wolves, and they don't attack every mob that can damage the player like Wolves do.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you. Fool me three times, hold up, rewind, That's not even possible.
Using the ignore feature here is kinda weird.
I would appreciate a desert fox variant for the simple sake of having a unique colouration for a rarer and distinct biome.
Yeah, that's wacky. I don't know what to think anymore, this place is flooded with bad actors. Dead internet.
Orchestrated or not, some of these suggestions seem interesting enough to implement, whether I like them or not. And with the same 5 or 6 people consistently posting, any amount of attention might just be a good thing since the entire forum might be in a state of decay.
More Fox variants? As I said, I don't see the need for them. Ambiance sake or not.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you. Fool me three times, hold up, rewind, That's not even possible.
Using the ignore feature here is kinda weird.
More foxes would be welcome, but at the same time, I don't think they're really needed. A desert variant (perhaps with a desert update), sure, but I don't think they need a handful of variants like wolves, nor to be a common mob.
The other thing is that while some ideas can be good, content is unfortunately a bit of a zero sum game. Adding new things takes away from development time of what could be other things, so there's a lot of things that could be good with little to no drawbacks, but they may be too minor to consider.
Content farms running with hundreds of phones that sell their content posting service to whoever wants it are (and for a long time, have been) a thing, for those unaware. Now add "AI" (which is more or less just pattern trained results creation) to the mix.
Unfortunately, these forums seem to have been decaying for over half a decade now. Now that in itself isn't so bad, because the forums used to be huge, and few if anything stays growing or popular for long, but the current state does appear to be a concerning one. Minecraft's initial boom sustained the place in its early years, perhaps especially helped by having a link here from the game's official launcher (!), but that didn't stay, and then starting in the early to mid-2010s, both the internet and how we use it changed once phones got added to the mix, so the rise of places like Reddit (and later, Discord), from niche to big front page of the internet, overtook old fashioned forums, which pretty much had their heyday in the 2000s and were becoming less popular come the 2010s (these forums were thus an exception, simply because Minecraft itself was an exception, and not the norm). Add to that how the forum software that these forums changed to forever ago now is pretty bad (this hurts the user experience), and then consider the bots, advertisers, spam, etc., (which do the same) and well... it becomes a positive feedback loop. To be fair and give credit where it's due, this sort of thing might be hard to manually moderate, and the advertising used to be worse, so there was seemingly effort put into moderating/deleting this, but... I've no idea why this forum in particular seems to have an issue with this.
It makes me sad to say, but while the first possible shutdown announcement surprised me, I wouldn't be surprised if another one comes, be it tomorrow or years from now. I hope I'm wrong that things are bad enough that such a thing is likely, but these places aren't run for free, and once it becomes unsustainable, the idea of keeping it going becomes questionable.
I forgot i even made this thread.
Foxes are my fav animal in minecraft and i really think they are cute and deserve more variants now that wolfes got their own.
It's even worse than I thought, it seems.
People generally seem to view foxes as the 'three temperatures', temperate, arctic, desert, which is seen frequently in design choices for other games' biomes and animals. Some examples including Tanks Territory's worlds, and BuKnight's worlds and enemies.
I am the cold fox, of course.
Now the issue with fennecs (Desert foxes) is they have a distinct shape in real life. Arctic foxes are pudgier and stouter than red foxes but the difference is negligible in a blocky game. Fennecs however are not just different proportions on the same respective shapes but different shapes altogether. I personally don't think this matters and the same model could just be retextured once more, but who knows who says it's important for whyever reason. Desert cats have the same model as other cats even though a desert cat is also differently shaped in real life. Same again for wolves.
Fennec foxes are definitely different. They are much smaller and have larger ears, so the existing models wouldn't be a good representation for them, but Minecraft doesn't have to limit its mobs to real life. If it just wants to add a "fox, but warmer" alternative, it can do so if it wants.
A lot of animals seem to follow the trend of being smaller in the warmer climates and larger in the colder ones now that i think of it. Canines/wolves are another example, but they simply recolored those and it worked well enough. I was thinking the same thing as you though (in regards to size) and I made a suggestion thread about it, and the wolves they were adding was part of what made me think about it.
Part of the 'largeness' of 'cold biome' creatures is having super thick fur while the 'hot biome' ones have thin fur.
Part of, yes, but I'm not sure how that's too important to note unless you're saying that's entirely it. Typically, animals in warmer climates (at least ones that also have counterparts in colder climates) tend to have a smaller body mass.
Correcting myself, I read somewhere yesterday that wolves have different models based on biome now. So disregard me, and tack on work for parity here with cats and rabbits, and for making foxes.
The difference is just more of a 'scale' thing from cold to temperate rather than a 'relative dimensions' thing from temperate to hot. But it's negligible compared to the player size and in the very niche context it applies to here.
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Scratch that again, wikipedia says arctic foxes have stouter dimensions than red foxes. So I guess the models being the same in game between red and white means we don't need a new model for yellow.
I made a Pink Fox mod in Tynker. Although, I could publish it. And make it common.