Likewise, I've only added stair/slab variants to my own mod when they actually have a use in a naturally generated structure; for example, I only added a stairs variant for "quartz sandstone" since a new structure I added doesn't need slabs, and even then "quartz sandstone stairs" are actually a variant of sandstone stairs (same block ID but different data values), much as I added spruce/birch/jungle wood fences by using data values (these and spruce/birch/jungle wood pressure plates, also using data values instead of entirely new block IDs, were mainly added so mineshafts and villages can have biome-specific wood types for every block; in all, I've added more than 200 new blocks to TMCWv5, plus even more variants which can't be obtained as items, yet only used around 20 new block IDs, so even when including blocks added in older versions there are still around 70 IDs left).
Some of the blocks I've added have been more for fun, such as wall variants when I've never actually used them in survival, but I'd have not added them if it meant making entirely new blocks (vanilla 1.6.4 has cobblestone and mossy cobblestone walls as a single block, leaving 14 unused data values which I took advantage of to add more variants basically for free).
Natural = part of nature. Structures like desert wells notwithstanding.
Tell that to whoever wrote the Wiki then, or even change it yourself; "natural" generation means anything that is placed during world generation, regardless of whether it is terrain or a structure (which is anything other than bedrock/stone and the surface dirt/grass/sand/etc, with caves being the only structure that is placed during initial terrain generation so they may also be considered terrain). In any case, the fact that they naturally generate means that they have a clear purpose in the game, as opposed to blocks that can only exist if the player has crafted them.
It's not about the literal uses of the word that the wiki people make, it's about the context of treating the world as a real, living ecosystem.
Natural means terrain. Structures are, in the context of the fictional in-game universe, crafted and placed by NPCs, most of whom are long dead before the player shows up.
If they removed 80% of the existing materials as you insisted, this would destroy numerous builds people put together.
I surely hope you're not talking about prismarine, blackstone, or purpur blocks, which do get used for some builds FYI.
Prismarine and purpur are unique to their dimensions/world zones, blackstone ehhh I guess since there is no other stone type that works as cobblestone (but basalt is kinda...).
I think the view of 'stair and slab' everything is a very old-school view on Minecraft, back when there were few blocks and everything needed to be useful, things were simple.
Since 1.7, the game focus flipped on its head and began categorizing and differentiating blocks. I prefer it that way marginally, even if it's less sandbox-y and pliable, it also makes the world feel more complex and nuanced. It makes it feel real, not just a game. It's not just survival in an alien world, it's exploration and development.
Agreed, if people want the game restricted to alpha blocks they can go back to playing Alpha Minecraft or the versions that existed before the aquatic update.
Part of Minecraft has always been about building, not just surviving. We shouldn't be restricted to mods just to get materials that make builds look nicer.
I don't think adding every block subtype = builds look nicer, or less restriction.
Some things just don't make logical sense or look unsightly.
Dirt walls might make sense filling in a cave hole, but on the surface would look quite silly and unstable.
It's not a strawman, you claimed 80% of the materials in the game can be removed without a complaint, and yet you cited zero polls to back up your arguments. Also just because you don't like those blocks doesn't mean they should be removed, what about people who do? should they get their builds griefed by Mojang because of your own biased opinion?
don't make threads if you intend to flame people.
I don't like extremes either, but I'm not sure how literal OP was being. It was the idea of the thing.
For me, making stairs out of natural blocks feels as cursed as putting circles in Minecraft. And glass too, because it's fragile in the same way that leaves are weak. How can you stair/slab such a thing? Silk Touch crafting table?
You can already carve glass blocks into glass panes, glass bottles, etc... and it doesn't require a Silk Touch crafting table, just a regular crafting table.
The idea of 'dirt wall' and 'obsidian wall' seems interesting and useful but a bit silly when you think about it...how do you make such things out of such 'difficult' blocks?
The same way we can sculpt obsidian into beacons, enchanting tables, and ender chests with our bare hands. If you try to argue realism in Minecraft, you're gonna have a bad time
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I don't like extremes either, but I'm not sure how literal OP was being. It was the idea of the thing.
Extremes don't make good game design though, the OP wants obsidian staircases, however some people would disagree with the idea of Obsidian staircases. I don't disagree with the idea, it is a sandbox and I am generally in favour of more options for building materials provided they suit a purpose, either functionally or aesthetically.
Obsidian staircases would provide some benefits, being resistant to TNT and Creeper explosions. This would mean players could build durable fortresses or temples with the material without having to settle with weaker materials for staircases to climb to upper levels of the building.
That wasn't the issue, it was the other posts the OP was making that I was bothered about.
and the removal of prismarine and purpur blocks would give people less options for creativity in the game.
Since they are the only stone-esque materials that allow you to make turquoise and purple staircases.
purpur is also made of a substance that can get you chorus fruit which is important for surviving in End when looking for End cities.
"Oh, Mojang is definitely suffering an opposite sort of problem: they are creating waaaaay too many useless new materials that nobody ever asked for instead of expanding the uses for the classic materials. Mojang could remove 80% of existing materials from the game and I think most people either wouldn't care or would welcome the change. But the existence of one mistake should never be used as an excuse for failure to correct another."
"I am, in fact, talking about those blocks."
We have the proof right here about what he said,
yet the hypocrite has the nerve to claim I need to learn how to read,
and apparently he doesn't wish to take responsibility for anything he says online when criticized.
Agreed. That's why I was careful to specify "major construction materials" in the OP. Stairs made our of leaves or wool would just be ridiculous.
You can already carve glass blocks into glass panes, glass bottles, etc... and it doesn't require a Silk Touch crafting table, just a regular crafting table.
The stonecutter was a mistake. It does the same thing as another block (crafting bench), but worse, and the better block is a prerequisite for it.
Cut? This is a game where we sculpt raw diamonds into 1x1x1-meter cubes with our bare hands.
The same way we can sculpt obsidian into beacons, enchanting tables, and ender chests with our bare hands. If you try to argue realism in Minecraft, you're gonna have a bad time
A) okay, we can agree on that
I *will* argue realism here :P. Glass blowing is a thing and I assume by default that the crafting table has an unseen arsenal of specialized tools (we see it has three tools on the sides of it, maybe the top folds up to reveal an inside with a mini furnace and some other tools?)
Also, glass stairs are way bigger than bottles or even panes, but eh.
C) Stonecutter is just to make more precise crafts. I wish we had more of this type of block, actually. Especially if we are to make stairs of everything.
Extremes don't make good game design though, the OP wants obsidian staircases, however some people would disagree with the idea of Obsidian staircases. I don't disagree with the idea, it is a sandbox and I am generally in favour of more options for building materials provided they suit a purpose, either functionally or aesthetically.
Obsidian staircases would provide some benefits, being resistant to TNT and Creeper explosions. This would mean players could build durable fortresses or temples with the material without having to settle with weaker materials for staircases to climb to upper levels of the building.
That wasn't the issue, it was the other posts the OP was making that I was bothered about.
and the removal of prismarine and purpur blocks would give people less options for creativity in the game.
Since they are the only stone-esque materials that allow you to make turquoise and purple staircases.
purpur is also made of a substance that can get you chorus fruit which is important for surviving in End when looking for End cities.
"Oh, Mojang is definitely suffering an opposite sort of problem: they are creating waaaaay too many useless new materials that nobody ever asked for instead of expanding the uses for the classic materials. Mojang could remove 80% of existing materials from the game and I think most people either wouldn't care or would welcome the change. But the existence of one mistake should never be used as an excuse for failure to correct another."
"I am, in fact, talking about those blocks."
We have the proof right here about what he said,
yet the hypocrite has the nerve to claim I need to learn how to read,
and apparently he doesn't wish to take responsibility for anything he says online when criticized.
None of us can decide what happens with existing material, it's unlikely the game will remove entire categories of blocks no matter how ignored they are (I feel like the only person who uses smooth andesite to repair strongholds and mineshafts, granite for fortresses and bastions, and diorite for ocean ruins, villages, etc.
Boom, emerald stairs. You now have green stairs by expanding the use of an existing material instead of creating a whole new material. And purple stairs? Newsflash, obsidian is dark purple.
I *will* argue realism here :P. Glass blowing is a thing and I assume by default that the crafting table has an unseen arsenal of specialized tools (we see it has three tools on the sides of it, maybe the top folds up to reveal an inside with a mini furnace and some other tools?)
Also, glass stairs are way bigger than bottles or even panes, but eh.
Size matters not. The fact is, anything that we can use to cut a glass block into panes, should be equally safe and effective for cutting glass blocks into stairs.
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Size matters not. The fact is, anything that we can use to cut a glass block into panes, should be equally safe and effective for cutting glass blocks into stairs.
Okay.
Although, I wouldn't say that emerald green = prismarine teal, or obsidian grape = purpur purple.
Although, I wouldn't say that emerald green = prismarine teal, or obsidian grape = purpur purple.
Agreed, Emerald is a green colour and not turquoise, so even with emerald staircases if they were ever introduced, you'd still be missing a shade of green for the staircases if it weren't for prismarine stairs.
we agreed more staircases would be welcomed.
You don't need to remove the majority of existing materials to achieve those ends though.
I don't use the stone cutter personally, I just use a crafting table to make all my staircases and half slabs.
Natural = part of nature. Structures like desert wells notwithstanding.
It's not about the literal uses of the word that the wiki people make, it's about the context of treating the world as a real, living ecosystem.
Yeah
Prismarine and purpur are unique to their dimensions/world zones, blackstone ehhh I guess since there is no other stone type that works as cobblestone (but basalt is kinda...).
I think the view of 'stair and slab' everything is a very old-school view on Minecraft, back when there were few blocks and everything needed to be useful, things were simple.
Since 1.7, the game focus flipped on its head and began categorizing and differentiating blocks. I prefer it that way marginally, even if it's less sandbox-y and pliable, it also makes the world feel more complex and nuanced. It makes it feel real, not just a game. It's not just survival in an alien world, it's exploration and development.
I don't think adding every block subtype = builds look nicer, or less restriction.
Some things just don't make logical sense or look unsightly.
Dirt walls might make sense filling in a cave hole, but on the surface would look quite silly and unstable.
I don't like extremes either, but I'm not sure how literal OP was being. It was the idea of the thing.
...which has nothing to do with what you said earlier. Learn how to read.
416 stone
296 stone slab (150 blocks)
149 stone stairs (228 blocks)
794 total stone
1082 blackstone
174 blackstone slab (87 blocks)
52 blackstone stairs (78 blocks)
1247 total blackstone
(not counting drawbridges and portcullises)
Agreed. That's why I was careful to specify "major construction materials" in the OP. Stairs made our of leaves or wool would just be ridiculous.
You can already carve glass blocks into glass panes, glass bottles, etc... and it doesn't require a Silk Touch crafting table, just a regular crafting table.
The stonecutter was a mistake. It does the same thing as another block (crafting bench), but worse, and the better block is a prerequisite for it.
Cut? This is a game where we sculpt raw diamonds into 1x1x1-meter cubes with our bare hands.
The same way we can sculpt obsidian into beacons, enchanting tables, and ender chests with our bare hands. If you try to argue realism in Minecraft, you're gonna have a bad time
416 stone
296 stone slab (150 blocks)
149 stone stairs (228 blocks)
794 total stone
1082 blackstone
174 blackstone slab (87 blocks)
52 blackstone stairs (78 blocks)
1247 total blackstone
(not counting drawbridges and portcullises)
Extremes don't make good game design though, the OP wants obsidian staircases, however some people would disagree with the idea of Obsidian staircases. I don't disagree with the idea, it is a sandbox and I am generally in favour of more options for building materials provided they suit a purpose, either functionally or aesthetically.
Obsidian staircases would provide some benefits, being resistant to TNT and Creeper explosions. This would mean players could build durable fortresses or temples with the material without having to settle with weaker materials for staircases to climb to upper levels of the building.
That wasn't the issue, it was the other posts the OP was making that I was bothered about.
and the removal of prismarine and purpur blocks would give people less options for creativity in the game.
Since they are the only stone-esque materials that allow you to make turquoise and purple staircases.
purpur is also made of a substance that can get you chorus fruit which is important for surviving in End when looking for End cities.
"Oh, Mojang is definitely suffering an opposite sort of problem: they are creating waaaaay too many useless new materials that nobody ever asked for instead of expanding the uses for the classic materials. Mojang could remove 80% of existing materials from the game and I think most people either wouldn't care or would welcome the change. But the existence of one mistake should never be used as an excuse for failure to correct another."
"I am, in fact, talking about those blocks."
We have the proof right here about what he said,
yet the hypocrite has the nerve to claim I need to learn how to read,
and apparently he doesn't wish to take responsibility for anything he says online when criticized.
A) okay, we can agree on that
I *will* argue realism here :P. Glass blowing is a thing and I assume by default that the crafting table has an unseen arsenal of specialized tools (we see it has three tools on the sides of it, maybe the top folds up to reveal an inside with a mini furnace and some other tools?)
Also, glass stairs are way bigger than bottles or even panes, but eh.
C) Stonecutter is just to make more precise crafts. I wish we had more of this type of block, actually. Especially if we are to make stairs of everything.
D) See about magic crafting tables (jokes)
E) Also see B).
idk lol
None of us can decide what happens with existing material, it's unlikely the game will remove entire categories of blocks no matter how ignored they are (I feel like the only person who uses smooth andesite to repair strongholds and mineshafts, granite for fortresses and bastions, and diorite for ocean ruins, villages, etc.
I have a better idea.
[emerald]
[emerald][emerald]
[emerald][emerald][emerald]
Boom, emerald stairs. You now have green stairs by expanding the use of an existing material instead of creating a whole new material. And purple stairs? Newsflash, obsidian is dark purple.
Yes, and again, it's NOT what you claimed I said, proving once again that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Size matters not. The fact is, anything that we can use to cut a glass block into panes, should be equally safe and effective for cutting glass blocks into stairs.
416 stone
296 stone slab (150 blocks)
149 stone stairs (228 blocks)
794 total stone
1082 blackstone
174 blackstone slab (87 blocks)
52 blackstone stairs (78 blocks)
1247 total blackstone
(not counting drawbridges and portcullises)
Okay.
Although, I wouldn't say that emerald green = prismarine teal, or obsidian grape = purpur purple.
Agreed, Emerald is a green colour and not turquoise, so even with emerald staircases if they were ever introduced, you'd still be missing a shade of green for the staircases if it weren't for prismarine stairs.
we agreed more staircases would be welcomed.
You don't need to remove the majority of existing materials to achieve those ends though.
I don't use the stone cutter personally, I just use a crafting table to make all my staircases and half slabs.