What I do support, however, is the idea of gold chests. They would be just a reskin of the current chest, made with gold bars instead of wood, but I think they would make a nice prestige item. When normal chests were hit by Midas Tears, the Chest would be transformed into a Gold Chest, but the items inside would be protected.
how about a slight improvement as it goes from normal to gold such as enough space to hold invintory and quick bar.
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also nether travel is faster and more dangerous than overworld travel, what is wrong with portal travel being faster and more dangerous than nether travel?
also each portal block would come from nether materials.
Because either it wont be dangerous enough to warrant defeating the purpose of the Nether, or it will be too dangerous to be worth doing, and whichever it is, it wont be worth adding completely new materials to do it.
that is like saying that if you pick a number between 1 and 1000 you will pick a number above 50 or a number below 50.
50 exactly is a posibilaty.
you just have to use trial and error until you get it right.
this is instant.
instant is faster than minecarts.
And infinite last longer than diamonds, but you don't see any infinite Nether tools in this thread either, now do you?
bad compairison.
1 this does not have infinite posabilatys. you need to have a portal block on the other end
2 this can blow up in your face. i don't see a problem with a tool with no damage bar but a 0.01% chance of immitating a when you use it
3 it could use fuel. this is a new idea; do you like it?
4 with minecart bosters one can travel back and forth between 2 far points an infinite number of times with perfect saftey at a high rate.
creepers can enter your house threw your minecart entrance
Not if you build your minecart entrances right.
how ? (i rilly don't know, it is not retorical)
minecarts can't go straight up
It's called a spiral. Also there are blocks in the Aether to handle going straight up. This thread is intended to fit alongside that.
how does that power it's self going up large distances? (down is ok)
some creeper could walk up the spiral
blocks in aether to go strait up are irellavant here.
. that is like saying that this thread is pointless becous N.U. was first. (bad analogy in know)
this is a point that is valid, sort of.
maby:
-snip-
Goodness, what a convincing argument.
well i am shure that you can come up with something
LOL. If you did that on purpose, then that really was well done.
yes i did, thanks
and on a side note i love the soul-glass tools (i just saw them)
i think gold is actualy faster than Diamond, and that this is compensated for by duribilaty, but i could be wrong.
i know for shure that in armor gold is better then Diamond. (i tested it)
so you would want to use the speed of wood for these tools.
also for the weather i think that the eruption in volcaino biomes (this thread) is enough weather in thoes areas and could cause the ash weather that has been discused in nearby areas.
however i am not comitted to this so feal free to ignore this idea for weather.
finaly:
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-snip about grimhounds- (actually I'm leaning towards sabertooth lions for this instead, giving the "alpha-leader" a mane would be an easy visual to do)
I would have to disagree with the zombie pigman overhaul. Someone could easy mold a portal to the Nether and get diamond tools with out ever having to explore a deep almost never-ending cave.
However riding Crocs seems to be something of a past-time and we where able to find this picture from the 1920s though its authenticity has yet to be established!
The 36 year old man, who has not been named by Police, was bit by the 800kg reptile after he tried to straddle it.
Fatso, the crocodile gnawed chunks of flesh away from the man’s leg, who is now in hospital recovering from a serious leg wound.
“If it had been warmer and Fatso was more alert, we would have been dealing with a fatality,” said Mr Douglas.
PWND.
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Oh, and to try to get back to the current topic;
As more of a side note about eruptions (if they should be included, I can't remember if the idea was to not have them at this point or not), would it be too unbalanced to make the eruptions the only time a minecart/lavaboat would flow UP a flow? The only problem I can currently see with this is that the eruptions, being random, would be impossible to plan anything for.
Read the updates to lava to understand how eruptions work. I don't think they'd really count as a weather effect.
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What I do support, however, is the idea of gold chests. They would be just a reskin of the current chest, made with gold bars instead of wood, but I think they would make a nice prestige item. When normal chests were hit by Midas Tears, the Chest would be transformed into a Gold Chest, but the items inside would be protected.
No. Midas Tears don't goldify wooden tools, so they don't goldify wooden chests and wooden boats either.
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how about a slight improvement as it goes from normal to gold such as enough space to hold invintory and quick bar.
Gold Chests will not be something this suggestion covers.
that is like saying that if you pick a number between 1 and 1000 you will pick a number above 50 or a number below 50.
50 exactly is a posibilaty.
you just have to use trial and error until you get it right.
What I'm saying is that the number will either be above 49, or below 51, and all getting 50 exactly will do is give you both problems.
how ? (i rilly don't know, it is not retorical)
at the moment you can use soul sand to create 1x2 entrances that cannot be walked through, but minecarts can go through. There are other options as well.
how does that power it's self going up large distances? (down is ok)
Booster tracks.
some creeper could walk up the spiral
Not if you have the spiral itself properly lit, and the entrance protected with the soul sand like I explained earlier
blocks in aether to go strait up are irellavant here.
. that is like saying that this thread is pointless becous N.U. was first. (bad analogy in know)
Very bad analogy, because the Aether and New Nether are intended to fit together. N.U. is just something... else. Either way, the point is that Nether doesn't NEED to solve every problem you have.
well i am shure that you can come up with something
If I actually liked the idea, i might be able to shoehorn something in, but I don't like shoehorning ideas in, and I don't like the idea either.
and on a side note i love the soul-glass tools (i just saw them)
Glad you like them.
i think gold is actualy faster than Diamond, and that this is compensated for by duribilaty, but i could be wrong.
Yes, gold tools are faster than diamond as of 1.3 or 1.4 update, but I honestly don't like it. I'd prefer to see gold tools supplemented with proper enchantments than with goofy little speed boosts that aren't actually beneficial when you have to keep wasting time changing your tools every 30 blocks.
i know for shure that in armor gold is better then Diamond. (i tested it)
so you would want to use the speed of wood for these tools.
And while I'm not as certain as you are. I'm willing to bet you started with completely brand new armor and only tested them for about 2 or three hits. In which case, yes they would SEEM to be just as good as or better than diamond, but this is how armor works.
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I would have to disagree with the zombie pigman overhaul. Someone could easy mold a portal to the Nether and get diamond tools with out ever having to explore a deep almost never-ending cave.
how are you gong to get diamond tools? They don't exist in the Nether. You could get Gold Tools a bit more easily. You might even stumble across a rare Zombie Pigman Chieftain that is carrying a Soul, Raze, or Blood Tool, but there's no guarantee on even what type of tool it would be (might even just be a hoe) and while you're wandering around looking for Zombie Pigmen, you're more likely to run into Gluttons, Trolls, Brands, and Netherwurms that will make your life hell.
I belive your missing my point. You seem to be taking the rational route while were talking about lava cros. Listen, this game isnt real life, and especially the nether.And the pic was just for a model. There dangerous, but with actual skill, and luck, they can be ridden, at least in minecraft.
What about if the chieftain's weapon choice affects the tribe's hostility? So, for a start, Nether-raze tribes will be fundamentally more on the peaceful side of neutral, whereas blood-gem tribes will be on the hostile side of the spectrum, and soul-raze somewhere in between. Then the tool itself:
- Hoe; Quite passive
- Shovel; somewhere in between
- Pick-Axe/Axe; Quite Hostile
- Sword; Hostile
That's WAY too complicated. Just look at what happened to Ash Thermals and Sm'Ash, they started out complicated, but then drastically simplified. The chieftains are just more dangerous due to their different tools, but at the same rate give you a shot at them dropping a better tool too.
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I belive your missing my point. You seem to be taking the rational route while were talking about lava cros.
I see no need to throw away rationality.
Listen, this game isnt real life, and especially the nether.
Gasp! You're right! Not only is Minecraft not real, but the overworld is an even more hostile version of that unreality.
And the pic was just for a model. There dangerous, but with actual skill, and luck, they can be ridden, at least in minecraft.
Nope. They can't. There are no ridable crocs in Minecraft, neither in the Overworld, nor in the Nether.
It really is amazing how many people have trouble coping with the idea of being in a truly hostile environment. People want to ride Salamanders and Brands? What next, the Netherwurms and Trolls?
Look. One of the main issues Sahara and I have been fighting is creating a glut of inoriginal mobs that are nothing more than reskins of each other. What you're suggesting would be even worse; they wouldn't even have a different appearance, just different weapons.
To make matters even worse, only the chieftain has different tools, so if you ran across a regular zombie pigment, you wouldn't be able to tell what tribe he's part of.
i think this is one of the best mods for the nether, but what i dont like, and its not about the mod its about the people who complain about what is being implemented into the mod. If a modder wants to add sometihing it will be added and were lucky to have people who are willing to mod, a task which is a very boring thing, and give us something awesome to add to the game.
Jesus, I had so much work to do I got 3 pages behind on this. Okay, so...
I'm not gonna call it Sm'Ash... It's just gonna be Ash if anything. We can call the collected item "Some Ash".
It's description 3 pages back is still a little wordy but good enough.
I laughed at the Salamanders rolling around in the acid rain, and really like the idea of Mobs acting differently during a specific weather element. We can discuss that more later.
@DeadUniverse
You got a funny lookin' face bro.
@ishner
The two things you liked from TNU are NEVER going to be in TNN. Those two things were part of the REASON I asked Grey to help me make this tread.
So you have both the creative minds behind this thread avidly against those two particular ideas. Sorry bro, but that ain't gonna happen.
@Golden Chests
"Crafting in Progress"
"Crafting Succeeded!"
"You have Crafted: Steve Co. Chest!"
"Place it anywhere to see a glowing chest, and always wonder at what's inside your creation."
@Salamander Riders
They completely submerge themselves in lava, and are actively aggressive. You're not going to get anywhere with that.
There were a couple other things I saw in those few pages that seemed good enough to build off of, but I don't remember them at this moment.
Fine, how about the individual Ash dusts can be called Small Ash and the Blocks can be Big Ash (Sm.Ash and B.Ash) the half blocks of Ash can be called Medium Ash (M.Ash)
Seriously, Sabata, I know you might find the naming scheme corny, but when the stars align like this, you really shouldn't turn your back on it.
I could take this moment to try to brag about how I'm totally influencing Notch now, but I'm honestly just glad that he's thinking along these lines, no matter where he got the idea. It really is the most elegant solution and implementation, and elegance should never be avoided.
I saw the lava boat thing a long time ago, and naming the stuff that way is okay because you can reference ALL of them with just "Ash" but further reference them with their size.
It's just a coincidence the abbreviations make good descriptors.
No offence but i dont really like this. I agree that the nether is suposed to be well... the nether and not some mob hunting place where you can only get certain things. But i do like the idea of lava boats because i mean look... It's impossible to get through the nether's giant lava lake and portal compas is a good idea ive been trapped with a diamond pickaxe in the nether. Turned it to peaceful and couldnt find my portal.
No offence but i dont really like this. I agree that the nether is suposed to be well... the nether and not some mob hunting place where you can only get certain things. But i do like the idea of lava boats because i mean look... It's impossible to get through the nether's giant lava lake and portal compas is a good idea ive been trapped with a diamond pickaxe in the nether. Turned it to peaceful and couldnt find my portal.
The point of this was to help create a cohesive feel to MineCraft.
As is, there's 3 ways to survive in the Overworld.
1) Build
2) Fight
3) Flee (explore)
The overworld more than fills #1.
And before this thread was created, the Aether was thought up and that fills the #3 niche.
So this balances it all out with creating a realm you must fight to survive in.
hmm this nether looks good,but tell me something:exists a 3d model for durodium armors?
about weather,i think that theres shoud exist "fire rain"
fire rain:
fire that falls from the sky,its does set things on fire that kept exposed to the rain for 5 secs (exclude the natural mobs),and for his storming a red lightning hits the ground making a lava source appear where it hits,but if hit a ghast,the ghast stays with a red charging (like the creeper) and shoots fireballs with 0.5 secs of interval,also,his fireballs can destroy anyblock,except obsidian.
how about a slight improvement as it goes from normal to gold such as enough space to hold invintory and quick bar.
that is like saying that if you pick a number between 1 and 1000 you will pick a number above 50 or a number below 50.
50 exactly is a posibilaty.
you just have to use trial and error until you get it right.
bad compairison.
1 this does not have infinite posabilatys. you need to have a portal block on the other end
2 this can blow up in your face. i don't see a problem with a tool with no damage bar but a 0.01% chance of immitating a when you use it
3 it could use fuel. this is a new idea; do you like it?
4 with minecart bosters one can travel back and forth between 2 far points an infinite number of times with perfect saftey at a high rate.
how ? (i rilly don't know, it is not retorical)
how does that power it's self going up large distances? (down is ok)
some creeper could walk up the spiral
blocks in aether to go strait up are irellavant here.
. that is like saying that this thread is pointless becous N.U. was first. (bad analogy in know)
well i am shure that you can come up with something
yes i did, thanks
and on a side note i love the soul-glass tools (i just saw them)
i think gold is actualy faster than Diamond, and that this is compensated for by duribilaty, but i could be wrong.
i know for shure that in armor gold is better then Diamond. (i tested it)
so you would want to use the speed of wood for these tools.
also for the weather i think that the eruption in volcaino biomes (this thread) is enough weather in thoes areas and could cause the ash weather that has been discused in nearby areas.
however i am not comitted to this so feal free to ignore this idea for weather.
finaly:
i love this idea
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PWND.
Read the updates to lava to understand how eruptions work. I don't think they'd really count as a weather effect.
No. Midas Tears don't goldify wooden tools, so they don't goldify wooden chests and wooden boats either.
Gold Chests will not be something this suggestion covers.
What I'm saying is that the number will either be above 49, or below 51, and all getting 50 exactly will do is give you both problems.
at the moment you can use soul sand to create 1x2 entrances that cannot be walked through, but minecarts can go through. There are other options as well.
Booster tracks.
Not if you have the spiral itself properly lit, and the entrance protected with the soul sand like I explained earlier
Very bad analogy, because the Aether and New Nether are intended to fit together. N.U. is just something... else. Either way, the point is that Nether doesn't NEED to solve every problem you have.
If I actually liked the idea, i might be able to shoehorn something in, but I don't like shoehorning ideas in, and I don't like the idea either.
Glad you like them.
Yes, gold tools are faster than diamond as of 1.3 or 1.4 update, but I honestly don't like it. I'd prefer to see gold tools supplemented with proper enchantments than with goofy little speed boosts that aren't actually beneficial when you have to keep wasting time changing your tools every 30 blocks.
And while I'm not as certain as you are. I'm willing to bet you started with completely brand new armor and only tested them for about 2 or three hits. In which case, yes they would SEEM to be just as good as or better than diamond, but this is how armor works.
how are you gong to get diamond tools? They don't exist in the Nether. You could get Gold Tools a bit more easily. You might even stumble across a rare Zombie Pigman Chieftain that is carrying a Soul, Raze, or Blood Tool, but there's no guarantee on even what type of tool it would be (might even just be a hoe) and while you're wandering around looking for Zombie Pigmen, you're more likely to run into Gluttons, Trolls, Brands, and Netherwurms that will make your life hell.
PLEASE ALSO SUPPORT:
Sabata & Grey Acumen's "New Nether"
Grey Acumen's Minecraft 2.0 Suggestion Series
FLYING SLIME
I see no need to throw away rationality.
Gasp! You're right! Not only is Minecraft not real, but the overworld is an even more hostile version of that unreality.
Nope. They can't. There are no ridable crocs in Minecraft, neither in the Overworld, nor in the Nether.
It really is amazing how many people have trouble coping with the idea of being in a truly hostile environment. People want to ride Salamanders and Brands? What next, the Netherwurms and Trolls?
PLEASE ALSO SUPPORT:
Sabata & Grey Acumen's "New Nether"
Grey Acumen's Minecraft 2.0 Suggestion Series
FLYING SLIME
FLYING SLIME
To make matters even worse, only the chieftain has different tools, so if you ran across a regular zombie pigment, you wouldn't be able to tell what tribe he's part of.
PLEASE ALSO SUPPORT:
Sabata & Grey Acumen's "New Nether"
Grey Acumen's Minecraft 2.0 Suggestion Series
Jesus, I had so much work to do I got 3 pages behind on this. Okay, so...
I'm not gonna call it Sm'Ash... It's just gonna be Ash if anything. We can call the collected item "Some Ash".
It's description 3 pages back is still a little wordy but good enough.
I laughed at the Salamanders rolling around in the acid rain, and really like the idea of Mobs acting differently during a specific weather element. We can discuss that more later.
@DeadUniverse
You got a funny lookin' face bro.
@ishner
The two things you liked from TNU are NEVER going to be in TNN. Those two things were part of the REASON I asked Grey to help me make this tread.
So you have both the creative minds behind this thread avidly against those two particular ideas. Sorry bro, but that ain't gonna happen.
@Golden Chests
"Crafting in Progress"
"Crafting Succeeded!"
"You have Crafted: Steve Co. Chest!"
"Place it anywhere to see a glowing chest, and always wonder at what's inside your creation."
@Salamander Riders
They completely submerge themselves in lava, and are actively aggressive. You're not going to get anywhere with that.
There were a couple other things I saw in those few pages that seemed good enough to build off of, but I don't remember them at this moment.
About that new boat, this.
Seriously, Sabata, I know you might find the naming scheme corny, but when the stars align like this, you really shouldn't turn your back on it.
I could take this moment to try to brag about how I'm totally influencing Notch now, but I'm honestly just glad that he's thinking along these lines, no matter where he got the idea. It really is the most elegant solution and implementation, and elegance should never be avoided.
PLEASE ALSO SUPPORT:
Sabata & Grey Acumen's "New Nether"
Grey Acumen's Minecraft 2.0 Suggestion Series
It's just a coincidence the abbreviations make good descriptors.
This chest is packed to the brim with 's
Take them all.
The point of this was to help create a cohesive feel to MineCraft.
As is, there's 3 ways to survive in the Overworld.
1) Build
2) Fight
3) Flee (explore)
The overworld more than fills #1.
And before this thread was created, the Aether was thought up and that fills the #3 niche.
So this balances it all out with creating a realm you must fight to survive in.
hmm this nether looks good,but tell me something:exists a 3d model for durodium armors?
about weather,i think that theres shoud exist "fire rain"
fire rain:
fire that falls from the sky,its does set things on fire that kept exposed to the rain for 5 secs (exclude the natural mobs),and for his storming a red lightning hits the ground making a lava source appear where it hits,but if hit a ghast,the ghast stays with a red charging (like the creeper) and shoots fireballs with 0.5 secs of interval,also,his fireballs can destroy anyblock,except obsidian.
Thats the other guys.
And no doubt it looks exactly the same as regular armor, just tinted a different color.