I was playing Minecraft and I was fighting mobs and I had a an elytra that I wanted to use but I didn't wanna unequip my chest plate. so was thinking what if you could combine the elytra and the chest plate of your choice or make a new armour slot for the elytra that you could also use for capes, to make a cape you could equip a banner onto the slot I think this would be good and it would make the game unbalanced
It's intentional that you can't wear armor and elytra at the same time for balance reasons. That said, I would like if you had the cosmetic ability to do this... as in, you could a Chestplate onto Elytra so that you have the appearance of wearing both, though in reality the armor is only cosmetic and doesn't change the functionality of Elytra at all.
It's intentional that you can't wear armor and elytra at the same time for balance reasons. That said, I would like if you had the cosmetic ability to do this... as in, you could a Chestplate onto Elytra so that you have the appearance of wearing both, though in reality the armor is only cosmetic and doesn't change the functionality of Elytra at all.
Why to add such cosmetic ability?
It would be misleading
IMO the better option would be to make it possible to combine only with leather armor, which while easy to customize gives meager protection and enchantability.
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Axes and crossbows - taking mobs out
Why to add such cosmetic ability?
It would be misleading
IMO the better option would be to make it possible to combine only with leather armor, which while easy to customize gives meager protection and enchantability.
It being "misleading" is... not a very good reason IMO. That would essentially argue against adding any cosmetic option which resembles armor or any other functional equipment, which is of course a silly stance. Why add it? Because it looks better than walking around with a naked chest while the rest of your body is clad in armor.
I don't think that Elytra should be able to provide armor rating or armor enchantments at all, period, even if it's "only Leather." Again, it's an important balancing factor that Elytra specifically does not provide these mechanics. You're trading them off for flight. That's intentional, and I see no good reason to change it. Visuals? Sure, we can change that. Bare chest Elytra are ugly.
It being "misleading" is... not a very good reason IMO. That would essentially argue against adding any cosmetic option which resembles armor or any other functional equipment, which is of course a silly stance. Why add it? Because it looks better than walking around with a naked chest while the rest of your body is clad in armor.
I don't think that Elytra should be able to provide armor rating or armor enchantments at all, period, even if it's "only Leather." Again, it's an important balancing factor that Elytra specifically does not provide these mechanics. You're trading them off for flight. That's intentional, and I see no good reason to change it. Visuals? Sure, we can change that. Bare chest Elytra are ugly.
It's still balanced you can't wear solid chestplate and have to deal with leather scraps.
The question is what that cosmetic option is even meant to be.
Leather armor on late-game tier where you get elytra is nearly cosmetic given its inferiority.
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Shields - made creepers but sound
Axes and crossbows - taking mobs out
It's still balanced you can't wear solid chestplate and have to deal with leather scraps.
The question is what that cosmetic option is even meant to be.
Leather armor on late-game tier where you get elytra is nearly cosmetic given its inferiority.
No, it's not "nearly cosmetic" because you can still add enchantments to it and it doesn't require you to fully trade off the armor of a chestplate. With this, you could add Thorns III and Protection IV to Elytra, which combined with the flight and even middling armor rating would be pretty busted. This also restricts what future enchantments can be added to chestplates unless we want to impose contrived rules about what enchantments can and can't be applied to which chestplates and when, which unlike allowing for cosmetic attachment of chestplates to Elytra is misleading, unintuitive, and bad design.
Tell me, would it be balanced to be able to wear an Elytra with an Iron Chestplate?
No, it's not "nearly cosmetic" because you can still add enchantments to it and it doesn't require you to fully trade off the armor of a chestplate. With this, you could add Thorns III and Protection IV to Elytra, which combined with the flight and even middling armor rating would be pretty busted. This also restricts what future enchantments can be added to chestplates unless we want to impose contrived rules about what enchantments can and can't be applied to which chestplates and when, which unlike allowing for cosmetic attachment of chestplates to Elytra is misleading, unintuitive, and bad design.
Tell me, would it be balanced to be able to wear an Elytra with an Iron Chestplate?
This comment. Mojang has stated the Elytra trades protection for mobility.
Each armor point adds 4% damage resistance, as do each level of Protection. So a Protection 4 leather tunic would already provide 20% damage resistance. By comparison, a full set of leather armor provides 28% resistance. An iron chestplate by itself provides 24% damage resistance.
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This comment. Mojang has stated the Elytra trades protection for mobility.
Each armor point adds 4% damage resistance, as do each level of Protection. So a Protection 4 leather tunic would already provide 20% damage resistance. By comparison, a full set of leather armor provides 28% resistance. An iron chestplate by itself provides 24% damage resistance.
Precisely. I fully buy the idea that being naked chested with Elytra is pretty ugly, which is why I'd be in support of cosmetic options to make it look like you're wearing a chestplate even though you're not netting any of the actual benefits of a chestplate. As far as actual functioning chestplates combined with Elytra? Absolutely not. That's a hard no.
Precisely. I fully buy the idea that being naked chested with Elytra is pretty ugly, which is why I'd be in support of cosmetic options to make it look like you're wearing a chestplate even though you're not netting any of the actual benefits of a chestplate. As far as actual functioning chestplates combined with Elytra? Absolutely not. That's a hard no.
Leather armor cannot remotely match Netherite, used on similar stage of the game as Elytra.
Additionally, leather chestplate tunic may lose its enchantments when combining with elytra if it's so much of a problem.
Mind that Elytra can be enchanted itself, so the Unbreaking of Elytra would still carry over the tunic in terms of glow. And durability, but that is a secondary matter, especially considering how cheap it is to get replacement tunics if you already have a cow farm.
Technically even iron armor with enchantments would be balanced in a way, since iron is still inferior to netherite, just more shifted in favor of the flyers and less in favor of infantry in comparison to current status. But we don't want so heavy buff to the flyers, no?
And what do you specifically mean by "cosmetic option to make it look like you're wearing a chestplate"?
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Farmability - to grinder bound
Shields - made creepers but sound
Axes and crossbows - taking mobs out
Additionally, leather chestplate tunic may lose its enchantments when combining with elytra if it's so much of a problem.
Mind that Elytra can be enchanted itself, so the Unbreaking of Elytra would still carry over the tunic in terms of glow. And durability, but that is a secondary matter, especially considering how cheap it is to get replacement tunics if you already have a cow farm.
So we're going to contrived mechanics--and it still doesn't override that Leather, as crummy as it is, still provides a 12% damage reduction. That's not negligible. Also mind that Elytra can't receive any defensive enchantments. It can receive Mending and Unbreaking, and curses. That's it. Bottom line, Elytra benefiting from armor would be unbalanced.
Technically even iron armor with enchantments would be balanced in a way, since iron is still inferior to netherite, just more shifted in favor of the flyers and less in favor of infantry in comparison to current status. But we don't want so heavy buff to the flyers, no?
....no, it wouldn't be balanced "in a way." It'd be unbalanced, because the combined utility of armor and flight is very powerful. How many times does it need to be repeated? The developers did not put armor or allow chestplates to be worn with Elytra for a reason. There are no ifs or buts there. Go play a mod with armor on Elytra. It's pretty plainly unbalanced, even on Leather, because that extra 12% damage reduction does make a difference.
Leather armor cannot remotely match Netherite, used on similar stage of the game as Elytra.
Technically even iron armor with enchantments would be balanced in a way, since iron is still inferior to netherite,
So anything that isn't Netherite is balanced? What about diamond? You didn't mention it.
Enchanted iron armor is stronger than Diamond in terms of armor rating. The only advantage Diamond has is Armor Toughness which doesn't really have a big impact on PvP from my knowledge when it's used for diamond.
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So anything that isn't Netherite is balanced? What about diamond? You didn't mention it.
Enchanted iron armor is stronger than Diamond in terms of armor rating. The only advantage Diamond has is Armor Toughness which doesn't really have a big impact on PvP from my knowledge when it's used for diamond.
Never claimed it did. Doesn't change that allowing armor on Elytra would be unbalanced.
So we're going to contrived mechanics--and it still doesn't override that Leather, as crummy as it is, still provides a 12% damage reduction. That's not negligible. Also mind that Elytra can't receive any defensive enchantments. It can receive Mending and Unbreaking, and curses. That's it. Bottom line, Elytra benefiting from armor would be unbalanced.
....no, it wouldn't be balanced "in a way." It'd be unbalanced, because the combined utility of armor and flight is very powerful. How many times does it need to be repeated? The developers did not put armor or allow chestplates to be worn with Elytra for a reason. There are no ifs or buts there. Go play a mod with armor on Elytra. It's pretty plainly unbalanced, even on Leather, because that extra 12% damage reduction does make a difference.
I'm not really sure what you're asking here. It's fairly self-explanatory I think. Are you asking how this would work mechanically?
OK, OK, I back down.
Now explain in detail what cosmetic change you are talking about.
You mean that player should look like wearing netherite chestplate no matter how confusing it would seem, or what?
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Dwarf gamer found:
Buildings - square, not round
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Dark caves - lit 'n' cleaned out
Settlements - deep underground
Farmability - to grinder bound
Shields - made creepers but sound
Axes and crossbows - taking mobs out
If mojang really wanted the elytra to be defensive, they would have just made it give armor points. It's no accident that the elytra is the only non-helmet armor piece to not give any defense.
I was playing Minecraft and I was fighting mobs and I had a an elytra that I wanted to use but I didn't wanna unequip my chest plate. so was thinking what if you could combine the elytra and the chest plate of your choice or make a new armour slot for the elytra that you could also use for capes, to make a cape you could equip a banner onto the slot I think this would be good and it would make the game unbalanced
It is meant to be balanced - the ability of fly in exchange for armor protection
There are mods to make it possible to use both:
https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/colytra
There's also a datapack for it on VanillaTweaks I personally use on my server.
https://vanillatweaks.net/picker/datapacks/
Under "Items", it's called "Armored Elytra"
But I don't see it being added to the core game. As TileEntity said, it's meant to be a trade-off, not a super buff
It's intentional that you can't wear armor and elytra at the same time for balance reasons. That said, I would like if you had the cosmetic ability to do this... as in, you could a Chestplate onto Elytra so that you have the appearance of wearing both, though in reality the armor is only cosmetic and doesn't change the functionality of Elytra at all.
Why to add such cosmetic ability?
It would be misleading
IMO the better option would be to make it possible to combine only with leather armor, which while easy to customize gives meager protection and enchantability.
Dwarf gamer found:
Buildings - square, not round
Materials - from rubble mound
Dark caves - lit 'n' cleaned out
Settlements - deep underground
Farmability - to grinder bound
Shields - made creepers but sound
Axes and crossbows - taking mobs out
It being "misleading" is... not a very good reason IMO. That would essentially argue against adding any cosmetic option which resembles armor or any other functional equipment, which is of course a silly stance. Why add it? Because it looks better than walking around with a naked chest while the rest of your body is clad in armor.
I don't think that Elytra should be able to provide armor rating or armor enchantments at all, period, even if it's "only Leather." Again, it's an important balancing factor that Elytra specifically does not provide these mechanics. You're trading them off for flight. That's intentional, and I see no good reason to change it. Visuals? Sure, we can change that. Bare chest Elytra are ugly.
It's still balanced you can't wear solid chestplate and have to deal with leather scraps.
The question is what that cosmetic option is even meant to be.
Leather armor on late-game tier where you get elytra is nearly cosmetic given its inferiority.
Dwarf gamer found:
Buildings - square, not round
Materials - from rubble mound
Dark caves - lit 'n' cleaned out
Settlements - deep underground
Farmability - to grinder bound
Shields - made creepers but sound
Axes and crossbows - taking mobs out
No, it's not "nearly cosmetic" because you can still add enchantments to it and it doesn't require you to fully trade off the armor of a chestplate. With this, you could add Thorns III and Protection IV to Elytra, which combined with the flight and even middling armor rating would be pretty busted. This also restricts what future enchantments can be added to chestplates unless we want to impose contrived rules about what enchantments can and can't be applied to which chestplates and when, which unlike allowing for cosmetic attachment of chestplates to Elytra is misleading, unintuitive, and bad design.
Tell me, would it be balanced to be able to wear an Elytra with an Iron Chestplate?
This comment. Mojang has stated the Elytra trades protection for mobility.
Each armor point adds 4% damage resistance, as do each level of Protection. So a Protection 4 leather tunic would already provide 20% damage resistance. By comparison, a full set of leather armor provides 28% resistance. An iron chestplate by itself provides 24% damage resistance.
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Just Cause series
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Precisely. I fully buy the idea that being naked chested with Elytra is pretty ugly, which is why I'd be in support of cosmetic options to make it look like you're wearing a chestplate even though you're not netting any of the actual benefits of a chestplate. As far as actual functioning chestplates combined with Elytra? Absolutely not. That's a hard no.
Leather armor cannot remotely match Netherite, used on similar stage of the game as Elytra.
Additionally, leather
chestplatetunic may lose its enchantments when combining with elytra if it's so much of a problem.Mind that Elytra can be enchanted itself, so the Unbreaking of Elytra would still carry over the tunic in terms of glow. And durability, but that is a secondary matter, especially considering how cheap it is to get replacement tunics if you already have a cow farm.
Technically even iron armor with enchantments would be balanced in a way, since iron is still inferior to netherite, just more shifted in favor of the flyers and less in favor of infantry in comparison to current status. But we don't want so heavy buff to the flyers, no?
And what do you specifically mean by "cosmetic option to make it look like you're wearing a chestplate"?
Dwarf gamer found:
Buildings - square, not round
Materials - from rubble mound
Dark caves - lit 'n' cleaned out
Settlements - deep underground
Farmability - to grinder bound
Shields - made creepers but sound
Axes and crossbows - taking mobs out
Never claimed it did. Doesn't change that allowing armor on Elytra would be unbalanced.
So we're going to contrived mechanics--and it still doesn't override that Leather, as crummy as it is, still provides a 12% damage reduction. That's not negligible. Also mind that Elytra can't receive any defensive enchantments. It can receive Mending and Unbreaking, and curses. That's it. Bottom line, Elytra benefiting from armor would be unbalanced.
....no, it wouldn't be balanced "in a way." It'd be unbalanced, because the combined utility of armor and flight is very powerful. How many times does it need to be repeated? The developers did not put armor or allow chestplates to be worn with Elytra for a reason. There are no ifs or buts there. Go play a mod with armor on Elytra. It's pretty plainly unbalanced, even on Leather, because that extra 12% damage reduction does make a difference.
I'm not really sure what you're asking here. It's fairly self-explanatory I think. Are you asking how this would work mechanically?
So anything that isn't Netherite is balanced? What about diamond? You didn't mention it.
Enchanted iron armor is stronger than Diamond in terms of armor rating. The only advantage Diamond has is Armor Toughness which doesn't really have a big impact on PvP from my knowledge when it's used for diamond.
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Just Cause series
Come to think of it, I mainly play fighting-based games.
Already talked about, already shot down for sure.
OK, OK, I back down.
Now explain in detail what cosmetic change you are talking about.
You mean that player should look like wearing netherite chestplate no matter how confusing it would seem, or what?
Dwarf gamer found:
Buildings - square, not round
Materials - from rubble mound
Dark caves - lit 'n' cleaned out
Settlements - deep underground
Farmability - to grinder bound
Shields - made creepers but sound
Axes and crossbows - taking mobs out
If mojang really wanted the elytra to be defensive, they would have just made it give armor points. It's no accident that the elytra is the only non-helmet armor piece to not give any defense.