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The aquatic update has been one of the best updates in minecraft and it has actually given the game more life and a sense of fun to experience. The underwater caves, underwater ravines, chests, treasure maps, dolphins, everything about it is just great. While playing i felt like something was missing...
So i just came up with the idea. Why can't we have bigger boats to carry more mobs and maybe we could have a submarine to explore the deep murky waters. Update aquatic right?
The canoe works similar to the boat As well as the controls and it has all the qualities of the boat except that it looks much longer than the boat and it can hold up to 4 players or 4 mobs. When it breaks it breaks into its individual ingredients so it can be crafted again making it useful for transport.
Why would i need the canoe?
Well, the canoe has the main useful feature of being able to carry up to 4 players (including the one who controls it) and if you right click a chest onto the canoe then you might be able to load up the canoe's chest with items, meaning u can go fishing or ocean exploring however the chest will take up 1 slot in the canoe.
You could even have a snowman get into the canoe and it might be an effective air defense against those pesky Phantoms.
In order to control the submarine, you press W to go forward which makes the paddles move forward, the S key to go backwards and A and D will strafe sideways ... and if u want to submerge you press Q and if u want to ascend then you press the E key. If u want to change direction just look somewhere and press the W, it works similar to the boat.
It can be any wood. But it changes the color and look of the submarine.
Why would i need the submarine?
With the submarine you can submerge to the bottom of the oceans (you will have a limited supply of oxygen in the submarine which means u will have to return to the surface to get the oxygen filled)... You can also leave the submarine while underwater and the submarine will stay there in position until it is affected by another player or a mob or some bubbles. If the submarine is hit by an axe or punched like a boat enough times then it will break into its individual pieces and ingredients and thus u can pack it and move it to another ocean. One more thing, the submarine will be able to carry 2 players.
If you have any ideas or questions about this thread then please go ahead. I'm willing and open to any thoughts. Long live the aquatic update.
EDIT: I REMOVE MY SUPPORT FROM THE SUBMARINE AFTER READING YOUR THOUGHTS I REALISED HOW USELESS THE SUBMARINE WOULD BE.
Canoe: not like this. If you break it, you'll get canoe as an item. And it should also be faster than boat.
Sub: I have different keyboards and I do not appretiate the assumption that everyone is playing on those of yours. Breaking sub should get you it's item.
Both of these are more for mod than the game itself.
Canoe: Why would anyone use boats if they could get canoes for just a little price higher. I like the idea, but maybe canoes can be slower.
Submarine: There seems to be no benefit for being in the submarine rather than going down yourself.
The submarine has a 10 minute or could have 20 minutes oxygen supply meaning u can go to the submarine, hop inside and get some oxygen then go back out. But the supply only runs out if ur in it and under the water surface.
The submarine has a 10 minute or could have 20 minutes oxygen supply meaning u can go to the submarine, hop inside and get some oxygen then go back out. But the supply only runs out if ur in it and under the water surface.
But you can make underground air pockets that have unlimited air easily. Or just use Magma Blocks with provide light and air. There needs to be a better use for it because with all the new content around oceans and new swim mechanics there really isn't a need for this item.
I like the canoe though. It needs something to balance it a little. If it turned much more slowly than a regular boat due to the increased length, and possibly have a max speed and acceleration deduction as well. To offset a reduction in speed, perhaps if you have multiple people in the canoe they can all paddle to go faster.
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Canoe: this sounds like just a better boat that breaks into pieces rather han dropping as an item, but carries more (3 times the number of mobs) and can accept a chest.
While not dropping as an item is mildly annoying, being able to load an additional 27 slots of inventory as well as two mobs – all for the same trip – is far more than compensatory…
Making the canoe heavier (logical though that may be given that it is crafted from a boat plus >stuff<) or less maneuverable will fly in the face of most players' experiences…
The typical 12 foot canoe (on which the OP seems to be based) will carry four (or less with cargo), and is both lighter and more agile than the typical 'rowboat'. [Minecraft's current boats might be better thought of as two man coracles (despite the construction) given the size and cargo capacity.]
From a purely game balance viewpoint, making the canoe broader than the MC 'boat' (and thus unable to use two wide canals etc.) would give a somewhat more serious downside. [Odd though this solution may seem to the canoeists.]
Another possibility might be to make canoes fragile [not, perhaps, a return to the lilypad touch vulnerable of early boats, but] contact with a solid block above a quite low speed might break the canoe into its components – freeing any passenger mobs and dumping the contents of any chest(s).
This would accord with the generally lighter structure of historical canoes and provide an ingame incentive to limit canoe use to large stretches of open water. [This last is opposite to historical usage, but :shrug: ]
Submarine:
Other than 'looks cool' the only point I see to this is that the (very temporary) air pocket would be mobile.
I don't see this as viable for exploration if it will break when hit (ie with a trident) for the same reason that trident/boat interaction damaged the utility of boats.
Minors point: 'Q' is the default drop item command so (while logical) this would change one of the default movement commands. (Shift/Space for Up/Down is already implemented for creative hover.)
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Canoe: We already have a boat and that's all we need. Ok we could have boats that carry multiple players so it's not that bad of an idea but I don't like it.
Submarines: Yeah that must be a joke. We are basically adding vehicles into the game and mechanics that would overturn the game and change everything. There already are breathing potions and that's better than a submarine. Underwater breathing pots are all we need also.
The canoe will be a raft or a much bigger boat with a diferent capability yet similar purpose.
PROS
- The bigger space will allow for space for interface blocks such as chests and furnaces and shulkers...
- There will be 4 slots in total, 3 for some passengers (mobs can fit in too) 1 for the driver.
- It will be useful for exploring oceans and maybe fishing when u want more space to carry things and bring them back to your base.
- The canoe/raft will be way more durable than the typical boat meaning players wont be able to destroy it easily.
CONS
- The boat will go slower and turn slower, maybe 30% Slower than the actual normal 2 seat boat.
- Hard to break means u have to place it wisely.
Ok i see that the submarine seems useless so i wont really support the idea anymore myself.
The aquatic update has been one of the best updates in minecraft Saying that is and opinion, not a fact, I'm not saying I don't agree (I do actually agree), but this is a suggestion.and it has actually given the game more life and a sense of fun to experience Agreed.. The underwater caves, underwater ravines, chests, treasure maps, dolphins, everything about it is just great. While playing i felt like something was missing... Finally someone else! I felt the same thing, it's like it seems like everything is perfect, but you know something is missing.
So i just came up with the idea. Why can't we have bigger boats to carry more mobs and maybe we could have a submarine to explore the deep murky waters. Update aquatic right?Deep Murky Waters? Waters right now are not that deep, not saying that would be a problem though. Maybe they could add a Deep Ocean with different things then near the surface, maybe it could get really deep sometimes with no sunlight at all?
The canoe works similar to the boat As well as the controls and it has all the qualities of the boat except that it looks Looks? Is there even an advantage to it? much longer than the boat and it can hold up to 4 players or 4 mobs There it is! I too think that should come. . When it breaks it breaks into its individual ingredients so it can be crafted again making it useful for transport. Finally! I hate it when my boat breaks into Sticks and Planks and I can't craft a new one!
Why would i need the canoe?
Well, the canoe has the main useful feature of being able to carry up to 4 players You said that already? (including the one who controls it) and if you right click a chest onto the canoe then you might be able to load up the canoe's chest with items First you said "if you right click a chest" then you said it as "the canoe's chest", does the canoe come with one or do yo ucraft it? I got confused here? , meaning u can go fishing or ocean exploring however the chest will take up 1 slot in the canoe. So it's added on manualy? Also, why would I need a boat to go fishing if I can do that from shore?
You could even have a snowman get into the canoe and it might be an effective air defense against those pesky Phantoms. Judging that it's a boat, it could also help to push away drownds, though if it rained the Snowman would melt.
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In order to control the submarine, you press W to go forward which makes the paddles move forward Submarines don't use pattles, right? , the S key to go backwards and A and D will strafe sideways You could have just said you use WASD to move around? ... and if u want to submerge you press Q and if u want to ascend then you press the E key One thing I liked is that you said the controls for once, not much people do that, gongrats. . If u want to change direction just look somewhere and press the W, it works similar to the boat. Isn't W for moving forward? Do you just mean looking around normally?
It can be any wood. But it changes the color and look of the submarine. Why didn't you say that with the Canoe?
Why would i need the submarine?I don't know, let's find out?
With the submarine you can submerge to the bottom of the oceans (you will have a limited supply of oxygen in the submarine which means u will have to return to the surface to get the oxygen filled)... This makes no sense what so ever. People would use a Submarine so they can go deep without drowning, that takes away the whole purpose of the Submarine as oceans arn't even that deep for Underwater Vehicles? You can also leave the submarine while underwater and the submarine will stay there in position until it is affected by another player or a mob or some bubbles I'm not sure how Bubble Colums would effect a HEAVY VEHICLE. . If the submarine is hit by an axe or punched like a boat enough times then it will break into its individual pieces and ingredients and thus u can pack it and move it to another ocean. One more thing, the submarine will be able to carry 2 players.
If you have any ideas or questions about this thread then please go ahead. I'm willing and open to any thoughts. Long live the aquatic update.
Responses in Underlined Bold. Although it may have seemed I have 100% Support.
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Hey guys I'm James, I used to be a noob but now I'm not, I finally figured out how to use TextCraft so here's a banner for one of my suggestions.
I support the canoe, since it does sound very useful, but the submarine seems pointless if you can't really go deep without drowning too quickly. Maybe have the submarine let you stay underwater longer?
Partial support.
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I don't even play Minecraft much anymore yet here I am on the Minecraft forums for some reason...
Responses in Underlined Bold. Although it may have seemed I have 100% Support.
Yeah the submarine seems useless to me. So i'll remove my support from it. Yet the canoe has some potential. You asked why would you need fishing if you can do it from ashore? Well the canoe can not only be used for fishing but if you want to raid an ocean temple, load up the canoe with a chest and place in some items u want in the chest inside of the canoe. Find the ocean temple. Hop out of the boat. The canoe has 4 slots, max number of chests it can carry is 3, the canoe can carry any interface block making it useful for ocean raids. Might be also good for pvp, say, you have 4 players on your canoe armed with bows, now u have a deadly machine that mobs must stray away from.
The aquatic update has been one of the best updates in minecraft and it has actually given the game more life and a sense of fun to experience. The underwater caves, underwater ravines, chests, treasure maps, dolphins, everything about it is just great. While playing i felt like something was missing...
So i just came up with the idea. Why can't we have bigger boats to carry more mobs and maybe we could have a submarine to explore the deep murky waters. Update aquatic right?
The canoe works similar to the boat As well as the controls and it has all the qualities of the boat except that it looks much longer than the boat and it can hold up to 4 players or 4 mobs. When it breaks it breaks into its individual ingredients so it can be crafted again making it useful for transport.
Why would i need the canoe?
Well, the canoe has the main useful feature of being able to carry up to 4 players (including the one who controls it) and if you right click a chest onto the canoe then you might be able to load up the canoe's chest with items, meaning u can go fishing or ocean exploring however the chest will take up 1 slot in the canoe.
You could even have a snowman get into the canoe and it might be an effective air defense against those pesky Phantoms.
===================================================================================================================
In order to control the submarine, you press W to go forward which makes the paddles move forward, the S key to go backwards and A and D will strafe sideways ... and if u want to submerge you press Q and if u want to ascend then you press the E key. If u want to change direction just look somewhere and press the W, it works similar to the boat.
Why would i need the submarine?
With the submarine you can submerge to the bottom of the oceans (you will have a limited supply of oxygen in the submarine which means u will have to return to the surface to get the oxygen filled)... You can also leave the submarine while underwater and the submarine will stay there in position until it is affected by another player or a mob or some bubbles. If the submarine is hit by an axe or punched like a boat enough times then it will break into its individual pieces and ingredients and thus u can pack it and move it to another ocean. One more thing, the submarine will be able to carry 2 players.
If you have any ideas or questions about this thread then please go ahead. I'm willing and open to any thoughts. Long live the aquatic update.
EDIT: I REMOVE MY SUPPORT FROM THE SUBMARINE AFTER READING YOUR THOUGHTS I REALISED HOW USELESS THE SUBMARINE WOULD BE.
Canoe: Why would anyone use boats if they could get canoes for just a little price higher. I like the idea, but maybe canoes can be slower.
Submarine: There seems to be no benefit for being in the submarine rather than going down yourself.
Canoe: not like this. If you break it, you'll get canoe as an item. And it should also be faster than boat.
Sub: I have different keyboards and I do not appretiate the assumption that everyone is playing on those of yours. Breaking sub should get you it's item.
Both of these are more for mod than the game itself.
The submarine has a 10 minute or could have 20 minutes oxygen supply meaning u can go to the submarine, hop inside and get some oxygen then go back out. But the supply only runs out if ur in it and under the water surface.
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ModeratorBut you can make underground air pockets that have unlimited air easily. Or just use Magma Blocks with provide light and air. There needs to be a better use for it because with all the new content around oceans and new swim mechanics there really isn't a need for this item.
I like the canoe though. It needs something to balance it a little. If it turned much more slowly than a regular boat due to the increased length, and possibly have a max speed and acceleration deduction as well. To offset a reduction in speed, perhaps if you have multiple people in the canoe they can all paddle to go faster.
Want some advice on how to thrive in the Suggestions section? Check this handy list of guidelines and tips for posting your ideas and responding to the ideas of others!
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/minecraft-discussion/suggestions/2775557-guidelines-for-the-suggestions-forum
Canoe: this sounds like just a better boat that breaks into pieces rather han dropping as an item, but carries more (3 times the number of mobs) and can accept a chest.
While not dropping as an item is mildly annoying, being able to load an additional 27 slots of inventory as well as two mobs – all for the same trip – is far more than compensatory…
Making the canoe heavier (logical though that may be given that it is crafted from a boat plus >stuff<) or less maneuverable will fly in the face of most players' experiences…
The typical 12 foot canoe (on which the OP seems to be based) will carry four (or less with cargo), and is both lighter and more agile than the typical 'rowboat'. [Minecraft's current boats might be better thought of as two man coracles (despite the construction) given the size and cargo capacity.]
From a purely game balance viewpoint, making the canoe broader than the MC 'boat' (and thus unable to use two wide canals etc.) would give a somewhat more serious downside. [Odd though this solution may seem to the canoeists.]
Another possibility might be to make canoes fragile [not, perhaps, a return to the lilypad touch vulnerable of early boats, but] contact with a solid block above a quite low speed might break the canoe into its components – freeing any passenger mobs and dumping the contents of any chest(s).
This would accord with the generally lighter structure of historical canoes and provide an ingame incentive to limit canoe use to large stretches of open water. [This last is opposite to historical usage, but :shrug: ]
Submarine:
Other than 'looks cool' the only point I see to this is that the (very temporary) air pocket would be mobile.
I don't see this as viable for exploration if it will break when hit (ie with a trident) for the same reason that trident/boat interaction damaged the utility of boats.
Minors point: 'Q' is the default drop item command so (while logical) this would change one of the default movement commands. (Shift/Space for Up/Down is already implemented for creative hover.)
The canoe will be a raft or a much bigger boat with a diferent capability yet similar purpose.
PROS
- The bigger space will allow for space for interface blocks such as chests and furnaces and shulkers...
- There will be 4 slots in total, 3 for some passengers (mobs can fit in too) 1 for the driver.
- It will be useful for exploring oceans and maybe fishing when u want more space to carry things and bring them back to your base.
- The canoe/raft will be way more durable than the typical boat meaning players wont be able to destroy it easily.
CONS
- The boat will go slower and turn slower, maybe 30% Slower than the actual normal 2 seat boat.
- Hard to break means u have to place it wisely.
Ok i see that the submarine seems useless so i wont really support the idea anymore myself.
With the new changes to the canoe Full Support
Responses in Underlined Bold. Although it may have seemed I have 100% Support.
Hey guys I'm James, I used to be a noob but now I'm not, I finally figured out how to use TextCraft so here's a banner for one of my suggestions.
I support the canoe, since it does sound very useful, but the submarine seems pointless if you can't really go deep without drowning too quickly. Maybe have the submarine let you stay underwater longer?
Partial support.
I don't even play Minecraft much anymore yet here I am on the Minecraft forums for some reason...
Yeah the submarine seems useless to me. So i'll remove my support from it. Yet the canoe has some potential. You asked why would you need fishing if you can do it from ashore? Well the canoe can not only be used for fishing but if you want to raid an ocean temple, load up the canoe with a chest and place in some items u want in the chest inside of the canoe. Find the ocean temple. Hop out of the boat. The canoe has 4 slots, max number of chests it can carry is 3, the canoe can carry any interface block making it useful for ocean raids. Might be also good for pvp, say, you have 4 players on your canoe armed with bows, now u have a deadly machine that mobs must stray away from.