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Quote from C1ff»

Actually... I have to disagree with you on this. From personal experience, Shields will break pretty quickly if you're facing multiple enemies. I actually avoid crafting a shield because I usually want to keep torches or other items in my left hand.

I feel like shields last forever now ever since they dramatically increased the durability. They're cheap anyway.

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I feel like shields last forever now ever since they dramatically increased the durability. They're cheap anyway.

Hm... I'll have to try out one again.

Quote from Shallawy»

Shields tank up way too much damage, they used to break at a reasonable rate however if I remember correctly they changed the durability in 1.10 of the shield from 181 to 337.

I find it a bit op since you can easily craft so many of them with such basic resources, 1 iron and few wooden planks.

Either make it somehow harder to obtain or nerf it back.

You can't craft a shield while blocking, though. And you won't be able to switch without putting another shield in your hotbar...

Honestly, I hate when people make these threads, but don't them out. It is becuase of threads like these that people don't want the old PVP back. You can't just bash on the new one, you have to give upsides of the old one. You have to find a middleground, balance weapons out. You can't just half ass this and expect people to agree with you. Trust me, I would give anything for the old system, but it just doesn't work like this.

Has anyone mentioned people who use auto-click? That was like an automatic win tool minus the hacking. I'm glad that 1.9+ got rid of those cheaters for good. Plus, hoes can now be used as weapons now that they swing faster than fists thanks to 1.9.

Quote from Mastermined»

Pretty much this.
I'll be the first to admit the new system isn't perfect, it's far from it, like several other features in the game. But the way to 'fix' that isn't by removing everything that was added, but to look at what was added, and see what could be made better.

A thread like this isn't a solution to a problem, as it would only make things worse, since you would remove any chance of improving that Minecraft has by removing features that can or do work well.

Thank you. Take it from a person who loved the old PVP, and quit because it is gone, this is the best thing to do. This new system needs to be revamped a little as well. MC doesn't work if you remove every new update that a minority doesn't agree with.

They still need to tweak armor values, but other than that, the new system is better. Takes a bit of actual skill to win.

What I mean by armor values is that fire and potions, tipped arrows are highly ineffective due to armor absorbing all of it. Poison shouldn't be absorbed by armor in my opinion. Safe with fire, unless you have fire prot. Which is currently the most useless enchant because basic prot protects you from all sources of damage equally. There's literally no need for fire prot.

What if I want to hit someone with fire potion far away? I would need it.

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What if I want to hit someone with fire potion far away? I would need it.

What do you mean? And who are you replying to?

why have u voted new system dont you miss spam clicking

Quote from Mastermined»

The majority of the community likes the new system.
It's not gonna change, get over it.

The new one sucks timed attacks sucks so bad

with the new combat system a diamond hoe with sharpness V is the best weapon because it has the least cooldown! so ridiculous

Quote from diamondking7m»

why have u voted new system dont you miss spam clicking

Well, gee, let's think about this. Ah. Nope. We don't miss spam clicking. Now deal with the fact, that there's many other players out here, who has different opinion, than what your opinion is. Go play 1.8, if you don't like new combat system. Problem solved.

The new one sucks timed attacks sucks so bad

with the new combat system a diamond hoe with sharpness V is the best weapon because it has the least cooldown! so ridiculous

Okay, I give you that, it actually is ridiculous. Quite laughable, to be honest. But still, if you don't like the new system, go play 1.8.

Replies in bold. Anyways, like I and Mastermined have said few times, the new system, which is not perfect in any ways, is huge improvement over the old system, which was just plain boring and brainless whack-em-all in which the player, who had better internet, better mouse, better everything would win every fight, now that brainless whack-em-all have been buried, and I say: Good riddance, I surely will not be missing it.

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why have u voted new system dont you miss spam clicking

I guess we don't. Otherwise we would have voted for it [/b]

The new one sucks timed attacks sucks so bad
Why? It's easy to say that, but you don't elaborate at all. What makes it worse, why is it worse? You need arguments, you can't just say one thing is better, without explaining why[/i] that is.[/b]

[i]it is worse cuz if u r cornered by mobs you need to wait for cooldown to kill all of them off and most likely you will die waiting for cooldown.[/i]

with the new combat system a diamond hoe with sharpness V is the best weapon because it has the least cooldown! so ridiculous
Except least cooldown matters little when every entity you attack is invincible for .5 seconds after you attack them, meaning that all those extra hits you get in don't actually connect and deal damage. Just like how diamond axes deal a ridiculous amount of damage, but have a very high cooldown as a result.[/b]

[i]but hoe weapons can be spam-clicked and you wont have to wait and it deals 8.25 attack damage which is not that bad[/i]
Based on DPS, swords are still the best weapons. You can't look at cooldown alone to see what weapons are the best.[/b]

[i]axes are the best if cooldown doesnt matter cuz they deal the most damage cuz a diamond axe with sharpness v could one hit mobs![/i]

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For having to wait for the cooldown, it's advised, but not required. Even so, getting cornered is, and always was your fault. Only this time you have to suffer the consequences for it.

Sharpness enchanted hoes are irrelevant because you cannot obtain them unless you get them via completely unlegitimate means, either via commands or other external tools.

DPS is important. Sharpness axes are powerful, but for the entities that can survive your attack (I.E: Literally any iron+ armored player), you're a sitting duck if you just idle by while it recharges again. They're only good for a quick first strike and that's about it.

woow i am surprised i thought it would be 99% for old version

i hope servers like hypixel and mineplex and cubecraft use 1.9 pvp

after practising 1.9 pvp for 3 days tbh i started prefering it over the old one

I think the poll results pretty much says it all, doesn't it.

Instead of wading through 3 pages of responses (which I frankly don't have the time let alone patience for), I'll reply only to OP.

Quote from QuantumPanckes»

The combat update was a horrible idea, it has ruined the PvP system,

How so? Wasn't the old combat system basically "turn on auto clicker and face your way to victory"? How is this new system ruining PvP? Henceforth, "auto click your way to victory" will be shortened to "autovic".

Furthermore, the combat system removes the strategical aspect of minecraft, which coincides with the game itself, and replaces it with an unskillful, monotonous, pointless hitting people in timed intervals... It goes beyond reason how someone would deduce that this update serves any benefit to minecraft whatsoever, because i see none.

Because instead of autovic, you now have to judge the situation and act appropriately? Coordinating timing with spatial reasoning?

If there is any benefit you can come up with that i am unable to see,

You just said that.

i can provide you with an abundance more to suggest otherwise.

Which would be nice, because as of OP, you've submitted none.

Ask yourself, what popular game out there has this timed attack system, there wouldn't be many of not one..

Recently? You have the witcher series, dragon age (is that still considered new? I know it's still relevent as a series), secret of mana (SNES) and it's sequel had time between attacks. Shall I go on? Most MMOs are cooldown based with time between auto-attacks.

And then ask yourself how many games are fast paced and skill based.

You're not going to like this, but not as many. Even many FPSes have a cooldown between reloading, changing stance, or time between bullets. Generally, the faster-paced a game becomes, the more skill is downplayed as it tends to get in the way. Unless something has an act of skillshots or environmental manipulation; skill tends to get rather backgrounded. As a matter of fact, games with skillshots play better BECAUSE of timed attacks. It's not just autovic ad nauseum.

The point is, you must see it

You haven't provided a compelling an argument otherwise.

, that this update must be removed as soon as possible, why make people go through the effort of making their servers 1.8 pvp compatible? That should be evidence enough to convince you that the PvP update must be abandoned.

Because the minority has tastes that differ from the majority? Not everyone likes coffee but wants a frappe, so they drink vanilla creme frappes instead.

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If there is any benefit you can come up with that i am unable to see, i can provide you with an abundance more to suggest otherwise.

Ask yourself, what popular game out there has this timed attack system, there wouldn't be many of not one..

Minecraft is the first action game with an open world I've ever seen in which you spam-click to melee attack. Usually that only happens in arena fighting games. In most open-world action games, there is a significant delay before you can attack again, and you are absolutely prevented from launching another attack during this time. Minecraft does something way better: you get to attack early at the cost of some damage. You do the best DPS by hitting at the right intervals, but if you need to get in another hit really quick to finish them off or knock them back, you can do it without losing much.

1.9 combat is definitely the more skillful version.