The fertilizer (bonemeal) recently implemented into the game is way overpowered. It is abundant and it instantly makes trees or crops ready to harvest. I suggest that fertilizer should either:
1. increase the rate of growth, or
2. increase the growth state by a bit (only the first time used.)
Thoughts/comments?
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The fertilizer (bonemeal) recently implemented into the game is way overpowered. It is abundant and it instantly makes trees or crops ready to harvest. I suggest that fertilizer should either:
1. increase the rate of growth, or
2. increase the growth state by a bit (only the first time used.)
Thoughts/comments?
I agree! Bonemeal is way overpowered. It takes out any of the fun or tactics involved in farming.
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Lol, finding a Skeleton Spawner means you hit the jackpot.
Besides, wheat is not all that hard to grow in the first place. If you have a massive farm, you can easily get 100+ wheat each in a minecraft week. Unless you are gonna feed an army there is honestly no point in having that much.
Yes I agree that Bone Meal is too abundant to have such powers, but in the first place Skeletons drop them way to often (sometimes 2 at a time). Why not go to the source, and make it so they drop it less often, including dropping the crafting ratio of Bone:Bone Meal from 1:4, to 1:1
Also like I said before, having 10 chests full of wheat is honestly a waist. This is why this post is directly involved with the hunger post. If hunger were to be implemented, things like an huge deposits of wheat would mean less because they had more of a use. Possibly expanding the usage of wheat into other foods 0_0
That post [^] basically shows more uses for wheat. But ignore it unless you think this ties in with solving the problem of Bone Meal giving the player more wheat to use.
I don't understand wy sooooo many ppl asking 4 vanilla thingz, u have pirated teh game? No.(I hope) So wy so many vanilla, if we are talking about the same vanilla (serverz and worlds) and not the weed one...
If you dont like it, dont use it, I like it, so I will use it, deal with it.
OK notch should add automatic weapons and missiles and lasers. Don't like it? Don't use it!
Bone meal is very overpowered and should be nerfed. When you use it with saplings to make charcoal, it gets even more overpowered.
Dont insult my intelligence, I know that missiles and lasers are completley different to bonemeal.
Note - Automatic weapons are already here, its called a bow and arrow, and holding down left click.
If you say bonemeal is overpowerd, I say Creepers are overpowerd, spawning in large groups and leveling the terrain, Gahsts are pverpowerd to, they can fly and shoot fire, and diamonds tools are overpowerd, destroyed blocks very quickly and having a large amount of uses MODS are overpowered, like INVedit and whatnot, they should be nerfed.
It all comes down to that its a SINGLE PLAYER SANDBOX GAME, if it was multiplayer competitive game I would understand your rage, but this is ridiculous.
I'm not raging. But this isn't a single player sandbox. Creative mode is a single player sandbox. This is a survival game, and for a game to be difficult things need to be just as balanced as a competitive multilayer game. The player does not get a satisfying feeling from playing a game that is too easy. And creepers and ghasts are not over powered, both are rather easy to kill if you have the skill. Also arguing that mods are overpowered is moot because the mods are not part of the game. Bonemeal is. And bonemeal is overpowered.
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I'm not raging. But this isn't a single player sandbox. Creative mode is a single player sandbox. This is a survival game, and for a game to be difficult things need to be just as balanced as a competitive multilayer game. The player does not get a satisfying feeling from playing a game that is too easy. And creepers and ghasts are not over powered, both are rather easy to kill if you have the skill. Also arguing that mods are overpowered is moot because the mods are not part of the game. Bonemeal is. And bonemeal is overpowered.
it is not your decision in the end though.
All decisions are Notch's and i support his choices.
If he find it too overpowered he will tone it down
...creepers and ghasts are not over powered, both are rather easy to kill if you have the skill.
No, not skill, an overpowerd bow and tonnes of arrows.
And how is it overpowerd?
use on wheat - get 1 fully grown wheat plant, thats 1/3 of a bread loaf which is like 2 1/2 hearts, but that requires youd of killed a and planted , when killed for heals more and is easier to get, so why not say is over powerd?
can burn entire forests in 1 click - thats over powerd to greifers etc.
when you get into it, many things are "overpowerd" but who cares, its a SANDBOX GAME, sure we pretend its surviavl coz its named that way, but we know thats a lie.
I could care less about farming. But 1 sapling + 1 bone meal gets you 4 or more charcoal. That's overpowered.
And I kill skeletons and creepers with a sword. Maybe you're just bad at combat.
And bones can be picked up from burnt skeletons, so it's much easier then you say. 1 seed can be obtained by getting 4 planks. Then you grow it with bone meal and get more seeds. Pigs don't drop cooked meat, you have to cook it your self. So get you facts straight.
And it's not a sandbox game. Maybe you're mistaking creative for survival. Sandbox is you have unlimited materials. Not a sandbox.
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I agree it needs to be nerfed.
I would say either it should
a) Make things grow faster but not instantaneously
:cool.gif: Not influence growth rate but make the end product more valuable, like making trees grow into some of those huge trees that get randomly generated, or give grown wheat a chance to drop 2 wheat when harvested.
c) Some combination of the two.
I like :cool.gif: the best mostly because I really like humongous trees...
The simplest nerfing method would be reducing the ratio, as legions of people above me have posted. If 1:1 isn't enough, make it take like 2 or 3 bones per 1 bonemeal.
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I could care less about farming. But 1 sapling + 1 bone meal gets you 4 or more charcoal. That's overpowered.
And I kill skeletons and creepers with a sword. Maybe you're just bad at combat.
And bones can be picked up from burnt skeletons, so it's much easier then you say. 1 seed can be obtained by getting 4 planks. Then you grow it with bone meal and get more seeds. Pigs don't drop cooked meat, you have to cook it your self. So get your facts straight.
And it's not a sandbox game. Maybe you're mistaking creative for survival. Sandbox is you have unlimited materials. Not a sandbox.
Don't tell me how to play my game. No one is forcing you to use bone meal. Trees and crops grow all the same with or without it.
It doesn't matter if it's a sandbox game or not, only that it's a game. If I get pleasure out of modding my games to high hell and back, who are you to say nay? Hell, if I thought putting the .minecraft folder on a USB and chewing on it was fun, that's my business. You're no worse off for it, so why should you care?
(oh, and I mean no trouble to you in particular, I'm just a big proponent of the "don't tell me how to play my game" philosophy, and you had a quotable quote. can we still be homies? )
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But does it really have a game-breaking effect on SMP? I've never played in SMP before, so I'm honestly curious as to the ramifications of one person being able to get these resources faster than others. Right now I don't see any, but I'm not all-seeing.
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"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say that there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." -Frank Zappa
But does it really have a game-breaking effect on SMP? I've never played in SMP before, so I'm honestly curious as to the ramifications of one person being able to get these resources faster than others. Right now I don't see any, but I'm not all-seeing.
You can create Bread easier, which can save your life on non-white-list PVP enabled servers.
Hmm. I don't see the issue. I could go to the surface for 3 minutes and get 2 full stacks of logs (and thus, charcoal).
Wheat isn't necessarily all that useful, and considering its easy to get nature, bonemeal doesn't do much in the way of suddenly granting me the ability to make large farms. Maybe if trees rained iron or something when bonemealed, I'd agree with you, but since both logs and wheat are disgustingly available as-is, there's no problem with how it grows now.
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1. increase the rate of growth, or
2. increase the growth state by a bit (only the first time used.)
Thoughts/comments?
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If you dont like it, dont use it, I like it, so I will use it, deal with it.
I agree! Bonemeal is way overpowered. It takes out any of the fun or tactics involved in farming.
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OK notch should add automatic weapons and missiles and lasers. Don't like it? Don't use it!
Bone meal is very overpowered and should be nerfed. When you use it with saplings to make charcoal, it gets even more overpowered.
Besides, wheat is not all that hard to grow in the first place. If you have a massive farm, you can easily get 100+ wheat each in a minecraft week. Unless you are gonna feed an army there is honestly no point in having that much.
Yes I agree that Bone Meal is too abundant to have such powers, but in the first place Skeletons drop them way to often (sometimes 2 at a time). Why not go to the source, and make it so they drop it less often, including dropping the crafting ratio of Bone:Bone Meal from 1:4, to 1:1
Also like I said before, having 10 chests full of wheat is honestly a waist. This is why this post is directly involved with the hunger post. If hunger were to be implemented, things like an huge deposits of wheat would mean less because they had more of a use. Possibly expanding the usage of wheat into other foods 0_0
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That post [^] basically shows more uses for wheat. But ignore it unless you think this ties in with solving the problem of Bone Meal giving the player more wheat to use.
Dont insult my intelligence, I know that missiles and lasers are completley different to bonemeal.
Note - Automatic weapons are already here, its called a bow and arrow, and holding down left click.
If you say bonemeal is overpowerd, I say Creepers are overpowerd, spawning in large groups and leveling the terrain, Gahsts are pverpowerd to, they can fly and shoot fire, and diamonds tools are overpowerd, destroyed blocks very quickly and having a large amount of uses MODS are overpowered, like INVedit and whatnot, they should be nerfed.
It all comes down to that its a SINGLE PLAYER SANDBOX GAME, if it was multiplayer competitive game I would understand your rage, but this is ridiculous.
it is not your decision in the end though.
All decisions are Notch's and i support his choices.
If he find it too overpowered he will tone it down
No, not skill, an overpowerd bow and tonnes of arrows.
And how is it overpowerd?
use on wheat - get 1 fully grown wheat plant, thats 1/3 of a bread loaf which is like 2 1/2 hearts, but that requires youd of killed a and planted , when killed for heals more and is easier to get, so why not say is over powerd?
can burn entire forests in 1 click - thats over powerd to greifers etc.
when you get into it, many things are "overpowerd" but who cares, its a SANDBOX GAME, sure we pretend its surviavl coz its named that way, but we know thats a lie.
And I kill skeletons and creepers with a sword. Maybe you're just bad at combat.
And bones can be picked up from burnt skeletons, so it's much easier then you say. 1 seed can be obtained by getting 4 planks. Then you grow it with bone meal and get more seeds. Pigs don't drop cooked meat, you have to cook it your self. So get you facts straight.
And it's not a sandbox game. Maybe you're mistaking creative for survival. Sandbox is you have unlimited materials. Not a sandbox.
I would say either it should
a) Make things grow faster but not instantaneously
:cool.gif: Not influence growth rate but make the end product more valuable, like making trees grow into some of those huge trees that get randomly generated, or give grown wheat a chance to drop 2 wheat when harvested.
c) Some combination of the two.
I like :cool.gif: the best mostly because I really like humongous trees...
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Don't tell me how to play my game. No one is forcing you to use bone meal. Trees and crops grow all the same with or without it.
It doesn't matter if it's a sandbox game or not, only that it's a game. If I get pleasure out of modding my games to high hell and back, who are you to say nay? Hell, if I thought putting the .minecraft folder on a USB and chewing on it was fun, that's my business. You're no worse off for it, so why should you care?
(oh, and I mean no trouble to you in particular, I'm just a big proponent of the "don't tell me how to play my game" philosophy, and you had a quotable quote. can we still be homies? )
You can create Bread easier, which can save your life on non-white-list PVP enabled servers.
My Pathfinder Campaign for the denizens of MCF: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1939035-where-are-we-sandbox-pathfinder-campaign-ooc/
Wheat isn't necessarily all that useful, and considering its easy to get nature, bonemeal doesn't do much in the way of suddenly granting me the ability to make large farms. Maybe if trees rained iron or something when bonemealed, I'd agree with you, but since both logs and wheat are disgustingly available as-is, there's no problem with how it grows now.