As for the ridiculous nonsense about what the "correct colour of copper ore"...
An Ore has no defined colour. you cannot say "Element X's ore is Blue" or something. an Ore is simply not a pure element- generally it just means that the element in question is locked up in rocks, usually chemically bonded with something else. so it's not, in most cases, going to have the same colour as the element in question; of course some ores will. However, there are green ores (Copper Oxide is as much a Ore as Copper Carbonate, and both are green). Copper pyrites are yellow. Copper Sulfite is an ore; it's gray. cuprite is red; it's a secondary ore, usually formed from the oxidation and breakdown of other ores. Even then, it's not so much red as it is a very dark brown. Covellite is another Copper ore. It's Indigo Blue. Chrysocolla is a bright blue, and is often used as-is for jewelry.
There is no such thing as an "impure ore" because an ore is by definition impure, otherwise it wouldn't BE an ore at all.
In the context of a game, of course, this is all ridiculous. The game is represented by a world where everything is a block and you're arguing about wether the colours of the ores are correct? Gold ore isn't generally yellow, iron ore isn't always a pale yellow. Diamonds definitely don't appear as bright blue specks in rock, and you certainly don't simply have to hit the rock with a pickaxe to get a fully cut diamond.
This is a game, people. These arguments about realism are futile because- it's a game. It's not a life simulation game, either. It's called "artistic license" if a new metal is going to be added, it should be easily distinguishable from any other ore; blue would be to easily confused with lapis lazuli; red might work, but it would have to be more of a brown colour; green would work equally well, and certainly would be easy to spot.
That being said, I don't like the idea of adding more metals. It's not so much that the idea is bad but rather that it seems like overkill; All the time spent smelting and crafting together ingots and creating swords from bronze or steel or whatever would probably be better spent strip-mining for diamonds; whose rarity by many seems to be bloated beyond proportion.
You guys keep saying we need a block between Iron and Diamond and Bronze can't be it because Bronze is weaker than Iron well... Make Bronze equivalent to iron now, and make iron stronger. That would solve everyone's problems. I think there are tons of things you can do with copper and tin before making them into Bronze.
Tin can be made into a can for holding food, or decorations.
I think that Tin Ore and Copper Ore shouldn't be the thing that is combined in the furnace. Copper BARS and Tin BARS should be. You have to purify each element first before combining.
If making multi smelting is too complicated then Notch can make a temporary block. You put 1 Copper Bar and 1 Tin Bar on the work table and make a Copper Tin Bar which can then be put in the furnace to make bronze. Same for Steel. Iron and 8 Coal on the workbench to create Iron Coal Bar which in the furnace makes Steel.
Multi smelting may in fact bee too much if all we get from it is Bronze and Steel, it's like how the 2x2 crafting window is only ever used once and look how many people want more of that. Actually we don't need Notch to change anything to allow us to make Steel ATM. Just make it so that when you turn Iron Ore into an Iron Bar you can then put that Iron bar back in the process window and if there 4 or 8 coal whichever Notch decides on, then it will consume all of them and after the smelt time gives you a Steel Bar.
Copper, and iron don't instantly oxidize dumbass..
Copper is naturally a metallic red, but over time the other elements get to it, WHICH THEN OXIDIZES THE ORE.
"I'm saying it should be green so players can spot the diffence. I did say it is green because it oxidizes if you read my post properly instead of charging ahead and attempting to correct what is already correct. ok?"
Why would we change the color if it isn't naturally made green?
Hell, maybe if you leave the copper ore above the surface for too long it could turn green...
It wouldn't matter in the first place, because when you melt it back down after mining it, it would YET AGAIN, turn Orange/Red.
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anyway i didn't say it oxidizes instantly I said that most metal ores are the metal that has combined with oxygen a really long time ago iron ore is Known as Hermite this is a iron oxygen mix now most metals are found like this with the exception being gold and platinum because they are highly nonreactive.
I agree. Copper ore should be green.
Now, before you start whining how it isn't green and as such isn't realistic, let me just say that Minecraft has never been a realistic game.
You can level mountains with a feather.
I like bronze but its too complicated to make. and you would need a whole NEW oven. I think you should be able to combine the tin and copper ores at the work table and have them form a colored rock pile mixture, and THEN melt down the mixture into bronze ingots. Thats my idea.
Sure thing. Thats a nice idea. But mentioned many times before!
And as said before: Bronze is weaker then iron. Wiki a bit our history... There was a time when mankind used bronze weapons to kill each other... AFTER that, they discoverd, that iron was a lot stronger then bronze.
And not long ago... mankind discovered that steel (formed out of iron and coal) is even stronger then iron itself.
So if a multi-smelting furnace is implemented, the gap between iron and diamond can be closed by steal (suggested multiple times before)
so the item hirachy would be: DIAMOND > STEAL > IRON > BRONZE > STONE > WOOD
but anyways... i support the idea of more ores and multi-smelting.
Beat me to it. But to add a little to this, if this were made in to the natural progression, iron would need to become a little more rare than it is right now and copper/tin would need to be relatively easy to find or else people would just skip the tier all together (unless bronze becomes a requirement to mine iron). Also, the steel would be sort of an odd middle ground as coal is very easy to find at the moment. So perhaps make coal spawn at deeper levels and make charcoal the soul ingredient for torches. Perhaps silver could be added to the game and be mixed with steel to make mithril. I know it is mythical metal, but there is already a fantasy element to this game and it would provide yet another use for a multi-ore furnace. With this we would have the following hierarchy:
Diamond > Mithril > Steel > Iron > Bronze > Stone > Wood
This would add a little more depth to the game in my opinion, and new ores means new possibilities for crafted items. I like the idea that some people had about making pipes out of copper, and perhaps the chain mail could be re-introduced ala mithril.
Good idea. Hey, while we're at it, why don't we just add adamantite an runite as well?
Mithril was established as a fantasy metal before you were probably even born. (tolkien iirc but i'm no expert maybe earilier.)
Adamantine was a mythical metal from the ancient ages.
Runite is the only runescape exclusive.
Armor Strength: Same as iron in mining strength, but twice the durability.
Tool Strength: Same as iron in mining strength, but twice the durability.
Firstly, when did armor have mining strength? Secondly, you do realize that strength is cause by durability right? Everything starts out the same strength, it just gets weaker as it looses durability, so stronger weapons stay strong longer. (I think...)
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You kidding me? From what i read, wiki and sceince textbook say "Bronze is somwhat stronger then iron, but much harder to work with and quite expencive to produce". Bronze age ended when people discoverd you dont need to do so much work to make somthing SHINY. Dont be brainwashed by runescape, people. I HATE it when people use games as a refernce, like everyone learning from Black ops that russian soldiers consist of paper mache...
Well, I HATE it when people use one or two sources (Wikipedia is written by everyday Joes, and your science book is probably outdated) to answer a question and think that they have every right in the world to be a tough guy because they think they're correct.
Iron is lighter and harder than bronze
It depends on how you make them, but bronze is around 7,400 - 8,900 kg/m^3, and cast iron is 6,800 - 7,800 kg/m^3. So most iron is going to be somewhat lighter than most bronze alloys.
There are actually several different kinds of "strength". When it comes to holding an edge, the important one is hardness. Hardness varies a lot depending on h
how you make the metal; you can actually add enough tin to bronze to make it harder than the softest irons. But in general bronze is much softer than iron: around 80 on the Brinnell scale, while the softest iron is 110-140. If you temper the iron to make it marstenitic, a technology they would have developed fairly early, it can reach 500 on the Brinnell scale. That actually makes bronze easier to sharpen, but it won’t hold the edge as well, which is the important thing.
Other strength factors include resistance to shear, torsion, bending, compression, as well as the question of whether they break or bend when subjected to these forces. Different alloys and different annealing methods yield different values, depending on what factor you’re after for a particular application. In general, iron is stronger in most of these factors. For example, cast iron has a yield strength of 200 MPa, compared to 125 for bronze.
Also, why the hell is Runescape even being talked about?
Ahem, i used google on bronze, and found a website that copyed your post! I matched it up, and that website copyed over 75% of your post! They should be shut down for Plagerisem! Sorry to be rude, but websites are ALSO written by everyday joes. Nice try, copy pasting website info
"With the exception of steel, bronze is superior to iron in nearly every application. Although bronze develops a patina, it does not oxidize beyond the surface. It is considerably less brittle than iron and has a lower casting temperature" - New World Encyclopedia
Man, be open minded. I just hate it when my info collides with other peoples beleifs. At the end of the day, after these arguments, no one wins. They are just an utter wast of time.
I would agree to this as long as Bronze items are weaker than iron with less durability. To make up for this, Copper and Tin are much more common, being almost as common as coal together.
Also, individual copper items should be able to be made, but they are very weak and with low durability.
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I've started work on something like this, not quite multi-smelting, but I want to make multiple crafting areas, such as a smelter, smith, forge, and anvil. I plan for multiple minerals in this category. Metals like mithril, adamantine, runite, and other mythical metals, along with existing metals and alloys, but I make no promises. Minecraft is harder to mod for than I thought it would be. :/
At the moment I'm working on adding Copper ore and ingots.
Wait, wait...Bronze stronger than iron...? That's horrible, fix that, otherwise it's not a bad idea...Runescape...Yeah, it reminds you of it, but then again bronze was discovered a few thousand years ago.
Spartans used bronze armour and shields and a japanese iron katana could only dent it...
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