Actually, what about wheat? That's pretty much grass anyway.
it takes too long to actually get wheat unless you spawn right next to a dungeon with wheat in a chest.. which is... unlikely. it's only a basic block.. something you should be able to make on your first or second day.
Actually, what about wheat? That's pretty much grass anyway.
it takes too long to actually get wheat unless you spawn right next to a dungeon with wheat in a chest.. which is... unlikely. it's only a basic block.. something you should be able to make on your first or second day.
What? It only takes about 4 in game days to farm wheat, you just need a hoe and a big area full of grass... No need for dungeon spelunking.
Hmm... Let's see. I like the thirst idea altogether. But how DO you make a purifier? Possibly...
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Or something like that. Flowers are common. But we CAN use sticks. (Make a cross, place coal on top, etc. Strain water. =P) This would be easy to make.
A water purifier is completely unnecessary. Water purifiers are not required for survival, if they were we would have died out a long time ago.
Remember wells? Those didn't have water purifiers and people used those. In fact people who drink well water usually don't have a water purifier. At most they have a water softener.
For a world like minecraft i doubt a water purifier would be needed, even in a hard core survival mode. Now if notch ever does something like make water and salt water, two types of water, then i could see this as a tool to purify salt water into fresh water.
However, overall, i think this is a bad idea. Unless, as i stated above, notch makes fresh water and salt water and this is used as a tool to make salt water into fresh water, then it would be a good idea, especially if this is made into a higher tier item. That way people can live off 'lake' water or make wells or something while they work toward getting a purifier.
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I want to know if I can have permission to show this in a suggestion im making on Food Poisoning.
Sure, I don't mind.
And in response to you, FFShadow, I see your point. A valid one, at that. But what troubles me about Minecraft currently, is that wells could only be made yourself, as pools of water only ever occur on the surface, and more recently covered by a little bit of land, but still exposed to sunlight.
As of now, no water is consumable. If, and only IF thirst is implemented, I think all water should be salt water, and that in order to get pure water, you must make it. To reduce technical difficulties, I wouldn't even mind if there was no source block for fresh water, just like milk, how it's basically just a re-skin with a crafting function.
I think that we should just be able to put a bucket of water into a furnace, if anything. Then activate/fuel the furnace and out comes a bucket of fresh water. This works in real life for purifying salt water. There is really no need for a separate water purifying item in Minecraft, especially because I do not think Minecraft has the kind of pollution that we do. I think it has a lot less pollution, if any.
I think that we should just be able to put a bucket of water into a furnace, if anything. Then activate/fuel the furnace and out comes a bucket of fresh water. This works in real life for purifying salt water. There is really no need for a separate water purifying item in Minecraft, especially because I do not think Minecraft has the kind of pollution that we do. I think it has a lot less pollution, if any.
I don't know about you, but I just don't like the idea of drinking water infested with Creeper poop. :/
It's just a fun crafting idea I had. Something to add to the game a little - give it a little extra 'umph', so to speak.
If there's anyone who's good at pixel art, I'd love to see something made up!
I don't know about you, but I just don't like the idea of drinking water infested with Creeper poop. :/
It's just a fun crafting idea I had. Something to add to the game a little - give it a little extra 'umph', so to speak.
If there's anyone who's good at pixel art, I'd love to see something made up!
That's like saying free range cattle contaminate their water supply or the river that run through the land and into town. It simply doesn't happen like that.
I don't think this really adds 'extra umph'. You want this to be a low tier item, something that is easily craft-able. By wanting all water to be contaminated and unable to be drank without this item all you're doing is causing people to add something to their beginning list.
Ex: 1. get wood,
2. build crafting table
3. get tools
4. build a 7x7x4 house.
5. get water purifier
After that it's like nothing changed. The item here only adds something small and is relatively useless. You said that you need to fuel it with coal or wood, just like a furnace. In this sense we could just use a furnace and a bucket of water, like what chaos said. Also,and this is just a small note, you were measuring water in oz when everything in Minecraft has gone by the metric system so far (everything is in meters) so liters would be a better measurement.
If you go by what i suggested and make it a higher tier item, and have water inland already be consumable and ocean water not consumable the player would be encouraged to work toward the water purifier to expand and feel like they accomplished something, instead of just "Just started the game time to make a water purifier because i can't do anything without it." and have them ask questions like "Why can't I just drink water from this lake? Notch must be a lazy coder because People can drink from rivers and lakes in real life and be fine."
the reason for your suggestion was IF the hard core survival mode came around that this should be used so someone could drink water. I would argue that with your idea it's not truly like survival, because if i went to live in the mountains, regardless of the deer, and fish and bears, i'd be able to drink from that clean mountain stream. By suggesting all water to be contaminated you are going away from realistic survival and making the game less realistic.
That's my view on why i don't think this suggestion is very good. Now if you can give me a good reason on why all water should be contaminated other than 'creeper poo' then i might agree with you.Because to me, 'creeper poo' would be like deer or bear poo. And i doubt they poop where they drink.
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"No one shall be able to drive us from the wonderland that ZUN created for us."
-ChaosAngel092
I don't know about you, but I just don't like the idea of drinking water infested with Creeper poop. :/
It's just a fun crafting idea I had. Something to add to the game a little - give it a little extra 'umph', so to speak.
If there's anyone who's good at pixel art, I'd love to see something made up!
That's like saying free range cattle contaminate their water supply or the river that run through the land and into town. It simply doesn't happen like that.
I don't think this really adds 'extra umph'. You want this to be a low tier item, something that is easily craft-able. By wanting all water to be contaminated and unable to be drank without this item all you're doing is causing people to add something to their beginning list.
Ex: 1. get wood,
2. build crafting table
3. get tools
4. build a 7x7x4 house.
5. get water purifier
After that it's like nothing changed. The item here only adds something small and is relatively useless. You said that you need to fuel it with coal or wood, just like a furnace. In this sense we could just use a furnace and a bucket of water, like what chaos said. Also,and this is just a small note, you were measuring water in oz when everything in Minecraft has gone by the metric system so far (everything is in meters) so liters would be a better measurement.
If you go by what i suggested and make it a higher tier item, and have water inland already be consumable and ocean water not consumable the player would be encouraged to work toward the water purifier to expand and feel like they accomplished something, instead of just "Just started the game time to make a water purifier because i can't do anything without it." and have them ask questions like "Why can't I just drink water from this lake? Notch must be a lazy coder because People can drink from rivers and lakes in real life and be fine."
the reason for your suggestion was IF the hard core survival mode came around that this should be used so someone could drink water. I would argue that with your idea it's not truly like survival, because if i went to live in the mountains, regardless of the deer, and fish and bears, i'd be able to drink from that clean mountain stream. By suggesting all water to be contaminated you are going away from realistic survival and making the game less realistic.
That's my view on why i don't think this suggestion is very good. Now if you can give me a good reason on why all water should be contaminated other than 'creeper poo' then i might agree with you.Because to me, 'creeper poo' would be like deer or bear poo. And i doubt they poop where they drink.
Alright, well written. (Not to mention, you use capitalization and punctuation, you get s for that.)
Let me brainstorm with you a bit...
First, I'm thinking of a grace period. You can go maybe 2-3 days without water at first. But after a while, if on the appropriate difficulty, you WILL need some.
Second, oceans are obviously out of the question, due to salt and fish.. But yes, that does bring about the question of your streams and rivers. In nature, you can find some nasty bacteria in any water. If you were in the wild, yea, you could drink stream water, but you'd still have to be careful. This brings me to another idea.
Third, maybe just drinking water would only refill up your thirst meter a small bit, as opposed to pure water. Or, maybe you couldn't fill it all the way by just drinking plain water. I don't know, there are quite a few options there.
And on a side note, you're right about the liters, as opposed to ounces.
I'm going to pull one of the oldest arguments on you here... The realism argument. I don't like to use if often, but I will for this. You said it wouldn't be real if you couldn't just drink any water.. True, but since when has Minecraft been realistic? Just play it as a game and enjoy it, you know? Don't want the purifiers? Turn it to Hard instead of Hardcore. (Or un-check the "thirst" box, however Notch plans to do it).
You said your final question was contamination. Like I said, bacteria is a very real threat. Not to mention, something freaky has corpses walking around, and leaf monsters exploding.. Would you drink the water "straight up" in a place like that? I wouldn't. xP Also, the amount of fecal matter just in the ground that would eventually soak into the water is just unfathomable.. Pigs, chickens, cows, sheep, zombies, skeletons, spiders, creepers... It can't be healthy.
Anyway, give my response some thought. I might have left something out, if so I'll just edit it in and let you know.
Yes, i would say bacteria would be a threat in real life.
However i still argue that a lot of water should not be contaminated. If it was contaminated then we wouldn't have such healthy pigs, sheep, and cows; since they would become sick as well from many forms of bacteria that would get into the water with what you're talking about.
But as you said, there can be limitations. however notch does the thirst maybe pure water fill up the meter you have more or just makes it so that you don't have to drink as often.
Also, the fact that we do have biomes comes to my mind just now. Perhaps certain biomes wouldn't have safe drinking water, such as the swamp biome (which is in there). Since one would generally shy away from drinking swamp water, and that water would be filled with things like bacteria. If that happens then it could be easier to tell where the swamp biome is, as well as adding more immersion and aesthetics (if swamp water was colored differently). In this case a water purifier would be needed so that one can safely drink swamp water.
If things such as disease and illness are implemented the water purifier could prevent one from getting sick when drinking swamp water.
I still believe that this should be higher up on the crafting table though, so that crafting one gives a sense of accomplishment, a goal to work toward, and make things like exploration and settling in new unique/exotic areas more interesting.
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-ChaosAngel092
it takes too long to actually get wheat unless you spawn right next to a dungeon with wheat in a chest.. which is... unlikely. it's only a basic block.. something you should be able to make on your first or second day.
I support these!
What? It only takes about 4 in game days to farm wheat, you just need a hoe and a big area full of grass... No need for dungeon spelunking.
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Or something like that. Flowers are common. But we CAN use sticks. (Make a cross, place coal on top, etc. Strain water. =P) This would be easy to make.
just because you're correct doesnt mean you're right
.... did you even read my post? i said it'd be optional. for those who WANT a goal..
and in regards to whomever wrote that you only need wait 4 days for food, keep in mind, you'd die of thirst well before that...
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I want to know if I can have permission to show this in a suggestion im making on Food Poisoning.
Perhaps purified water would even make wheat grow faster.
Technically, it would be worse, as Non-purifed water has Minerals in it.
Where you have wool of any color and charcoal. Hey, the water could have a slight tint of any dyed color the wool had!
A water purifier is completely unnecessary. Water purifiers are not required for survival, if they were we would have died out a long time ago.
Remember wells? Those didn't have water purifiers and people used those. In fact people who drink well water usually don't have a water purifier. At most they have a water softener.
For a world like minecraft i doubt a water purifier would be needed, even in a hard core survival mode. Now if notch ever does something like make water and salt water, two types of water, then i could see this as a tool to purify salt water into fresh water.
However, overall, i think this is a bad idea. Unless, as i stated above, notch makes fresh water and salt water and this is used as a tool to make salt water into fresh water, then it would be a good idea, especially if this is made into a higher tier item. That way people can live off 'lake' water or make wells or something while they work toward getting a purifier.
-ChaosAngel092
Sure, I don't mind.
And in response to you, FFShadow, I see your point. A valid one, at that. But what troubles me about Minecraft currently, is that wells could only be made yourself, as pools of water only ever occur on the surface, and more recently covered by a little bit of land, but still exposed to sunlight.
As of now, no water is consumable. If, and only IF thirst is implemented, I think all water should be salt water, and that in order to get pure water, you must make it. To reduce technical difficulties, I wouldn't even mind if there was no source block for fresh water, just like milk, how it's basically just a re-skin with a crafting function.
I support these!
I don't know about you, but I just don't like the idea of drinking water infested with Creeper poop. :/
It's just a fun crafting idea I had. Something to add to the game a little - give it a little extra 'umph', so to speak.
If there's anyone who's good at pixel art, I'd love to see something made up!
I support these!
That's like saying free range cattle contaminate their water supply or the river that run through the land and into town. It simply doesn't happen like that.
I don't think this really adds 'extra umph'. You want this to be a low tier item, something that is easily craft-able. By wanting all water to be contaminated and unable to be drank without this item all you're doing is causing people to add something to their beginning list.
Ex: 1. get wood,
2. build crafting table
3. get tools
4. build a 7x7x4 house.
5. get water purifier
After that it's like nothing changed. The item here only adds something small and is relatively useless. You said that you need to fuel it with coal or wood, just like a furnace. In this sense we could just use a furnace and a bucket of water, like what chaos said. Also,and this is just a small note, you were measuring water in oz when everything in Minecraft has gone by the metric system so far (everything is in meters) so liters would be a better measurement.
If you go by what i suggested and make it a higher tier item, and have water inland already be consumable and ocean water not consumable the player would be encouraged to work toward the water purifier to expand and feel like they accomplished something, instead of just "Just started the game time to make a water purifier because i can't do anything without it." and have them ask questions like "Why can't I just drink water from this lake? Notch must be a lazy coder because People can drink from rivers and lakes in real life and be fine."
the reason for your suggestion was IF the hard core survival mode came around that this should be used so someone could drink water. I would argue that with your idea it's not truly like survival, because if i went to live in the mountains, regardless of the deer, and fish and bears, i'd be able to drink from that clean mountain stream. By suggesting all water to be contaminated you are going away from realistic survival and making the game less realistic.
That's my view on why i don't think this suggestion is very good. Now if you can give me a good reason on why all water should be contaminated other than 'creeper poo' then i might agree with you.Because to me, 'creeper poo' would be like deer or bear poo. And i doubt they poop where they drink.
-ChaosAngel092
Alright, well written. (Not to mention, you use capitalization and punctuation, you get s for that.)
Let me brainstorm with you a bit...
First, I'm thinking of a grace period. You can go maybe 2-3 days without water at first. But after a while, if on the appropriate difficulty, you WILL need some.
Second, oceans are obviously out of the question, due to salt and fish.. But yes, that does bring about the question of your streams and rivers. In nature, you can find some nasty bacteria in any water. If you were in the wild, yea, you could drink stream water, but you'd still have to be careful. This brings me to another idea.
Third, maybe just drinking water would only refill up your thirst meter a small bit, as opposed to pure water. Or, maybe you couldn't fill it all the way by just drinking plain water. I don't know, there are quite a few options there.
And on a side note, you're right about the liters, as opposed to ounces.
I'm going to pull one of the oldest arguments on you here... The realism argument. I don't like to use if often, but I will for this. You said it wouldn't be real if you couldn't just drink any water.. True, but since when has Minecraft been realistic? Just play it as a game and enjoy it, you know? Don't want the purifiers? Turn it to Hard instead of Hardcore. (Or un-check the "thirst" box, however Notch plans to do it).
You said your final question was contamination. Like I said, bacteria is a very real threat. Not to mention, something freaky has corpses walking around, and leaf monsters exploding.. Would you drink the water "straight up" in a place like that? I wouldn't. xP Also, the amount of fecal matter just in the ground that would eventually soak into the water is just unfathomable.. Pigs, chickens, cows, sheep, zombies, skeletons, spiders, creepers... It can't be healthy.
Anyway, give my response some thought. I might have left something out, if so I'll just edit it in and let you know.
I support these!
However i still argue that a lot of water should not be contaminated. If it was contaminated then we wouldn't have such healthy pigs, sheep, and cows; since they would become sick as well from many forms of bacteria that would get into the water with what you're talking about.
But as you said, there can be limitations. however notch does the thirst maybe pure water fill up the meter you have more or just makes it so that you don't have to drink as often.
Also, the fact that we do have biomes comes to my mind just now. Perhaps certain biomes wouldn't have safe drinking water, such as the swamp biome (which is in there). Since one would generally shy away from drinking swamp water, and that water would be filled with things like bacteria. If that happens then it could be easier to tell where the swamp biome is, as well as adding more immersion and aesthetics (if swamp water was colored differently). In this case a water purifier would be needed so that one can safely drink swamp water.
If things such as disease and illness are implemented the water purifier could prevent one from getting sick when drinking swamp water.
I still believe that this should be higher up on the crafting table though, so that crafting one gives a sense of accomplishment, a goal to work toward, and make things like exploration and settling in new unique/exotic areas more interesting.
-ChaosAngel092
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~Cheers, Martyr.
Sexy. Sexy. SEXY AS HELL..
And did I mention sexy?
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Working on the pixel art as we speak... I still like this idea.
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