Anyways, Grey. Your "excuse" was efficiency, which I claimed for mine previously and you tossed away.
Mine uses less BB, but slightly more space.
Your uses more BB, but uses only 1x1 (after having carved out at minimum a 2x1 to simply place it)
I tossed it away because it wasn't efficient, it was cheap. Being able push the player up 6 blocks using only 1 block instead of 6 doesn't make it more efficient, just cheaper. When I claim efficiency, I mean efficiency in DESIGN, which is an entirely different subject that you have never properly addressed. People in minecraft want to be able to build, and not have to sacrifice aesthetics for functionality.
Also the whole "Mine makes more sense in possible recipes" is completely pointless.
1) POSSIBLE recipes.
2) I could probably think up recipes that mine would "make sense for" that yours wouldn't.
Neither of these lend reason to why yours over mine.
So I ask again... Why yours over mine.
Mine still stands at easier to code (assuming Geysers are still wanted and floatsand is also implemented).
That's false. Your breezeblock blows, so it can logically be used for things that have a blowing component, mine blows and sucks, so it can logically be used for things that have a blowing component OR a sucking component, or both.
My computer was being stupid so this post (along with a thread I was making) got deleted so here's what I said:
Might As well throw my idea into the mix. What if there were 2 versions of Breezeblock, a natural one and a crafted one. The Natural ones are the ones that spawn in world generation and are Sabata's version, when broken, they drop some kind of item used to craft the Crafted version, which is Greys. (Like Clay to Brick)
My computer was being stupid so this post (along with a thread I was making) got deleted so here's what I said:
Might As well throw my idea into the mix. What if there were 2 versions of Breezeblock, a natural one and a crafted one. The Natural ones are the ones that spawn in world generation and are Sabata's version, when broken, they drop some kind of item used to craft the Crafted version, which is Greys. (Like Clay to Brick)
I actually wouldn't be entirely opposed to that idea, but I don't see how you could craft a block that blows and sucks from a block that only blows.
Perhaps smelting could be used. Even then, I'm not too keen on effectively adding even MORE blocks to the Aether.
what is Aetherrack (Aetherock?) and why are you just sayin' that?
And yeah, even though there have been a lot of votes for Phygs, I'm still leaning towards the Pigasus. It's the type of name that you groan over at first, but once you get over the joke you just kind of embrace it.
I mean heck, this is about the same amount of dissent that Flying Pigs got in the first place, now that they have an awesome looking mockup, you barely hear anyone complaining about them.
naahhh, Netherrack is a refernce to the a torture device called "the rack" That barely makes sense in a hellish realm like Nether,(and has still resulted in numerous calls of it being a typo) but in a heavenly realm like Aether it doesn't make any sense at all.
There's no good reason not to make monsters instant kill you on Hard.
Does that mean it should happen? No, not really.
Because people don't like it? It seems unbalanced for a game with long-term goals to have extremely sudden consequences?
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If you want a real reason, it's because air manipulating blocks should probably occur in the windy floating islands of the Aether, and a pipe happens to be a REAL object that DOES manipulate air, and so it is the basis for these blocks.
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That image really only showed a single output, but with multiple outputs per block, that's basically the combination of Grey and My ideas, except it still gets weaker as you dig into it.
Most things get weaker as they dwindle, with the exception of a video game boss's health and a few other things.
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My computer was being stupid so this post (along with a thread I was making) got deleted so here's what I said:
Might As well throw my idea into the mix. What if there were 2 versions of Breezeblock, a natural one and a crafted one. The Natural ones are the ones that spawn in world generation and are Sabata's version, when broken, they drop some kind of item used to craft the Crafted version, which is Greys. (Like Clay to Brick)
I actually kind of like that idea. Grey's pipe version is better for Player constructions than natural constuctions, and Sabata's white hole version appears to be easier to implement into a naturally generated world. Both could use the same "wind" blocks, so there could be cross-idea-compatability. However, there are 2 problems and 2 questions...
Problem 1: Both Grey and Sabata would need to agree to this system.
Problem 2: You would have to code the game for BOTH of them. I don't think that would be incredibly difficult, since Grey's Breezeblock was the mainly code-bulked one and that mainly because of terrain generation, which would be removed.
Question 1: HOW would you craft Grey's BreezeBlock?
Question 2: You'd have to rename one or the other. I don't really think of Grey's BB as a "Pipeblock" so much as a windblock, and Sabata's is not going to be a "white-hole-block."
Maybe Grey's could be "Flowblock" and Sabata's could be windstone (Since it's natural, it's more of a stone IMHO).
Phyg vs. Pigasus?
Phygs is more original (Like creepers)
Pigasus is more easy to get (Like skeletons, zombies, pigs, spiders, sheep, cows, and squid)
I actually prefer Phygs at the moment, since creepers are my favorite mob (With the exception of squid. Everyone thinks me crazy, but I think they're so cute) purely for their originality. But I don't know if I've given pigasi enough time to sit, since I do have a habit of distinctly preferring older ideas (Pluto is a planet, Indigo, Magenta, Black, and White are colors, no matter what whoever says).
I actually kind of like that idea. Grey's pipe version is better for Player constructions than natural constuctions, and Sabata's white hole version appears to be easier to implement into a naturally generated world. Both could use the same "wind" blocks, so there could be cross-idea-compatability. However, there are 2 problems and 2 questions...
Problem 1: Both Grey and Sabata would need to agree to this system.
Problem 2: You would have to code the game for BOTH of them. I don't think that would be incredibly difficult, since Grey's Breezeblock was the mainly code-bulked one and that mainly because of terrain generation, which would be removed.
Question 1: HOW would you craft Grey's BreezeBlock?
Question 2: You'd have to rename one or the other. I don't really think of Grey's BB as a "Pipeblock" so much as a windblock, and Sabata's is not going to be a "white-hole-block."
Maybe Grey's could be "Flowblock" and Sabata's could be windstone (Since it's natural, it's more of a stone IMHO).
Phyg vs. Pigasus?
Phygs is more original (Like creepers)
Pigasus is more easy to get (Like skeletons, zombies, pigs, spiders, sheep, cows, and squid)
I actually prefer Phygs at the moment, since creepers are my favorite mob (With the exception of squid. Everyone thinks me crazy, but I think they're so cute) purely for their originality. But I don't know if I've given pigasi enough time to sit, since I do have a habit of distinctly preferring older ideas (Pluto is a planet, Indigo, Magenta, Black, and White are colors, no matter what whoever says).
Aethereallynice, anybody?
...
Fine.
Technically only I really need to agree to it since I'm the one updating the opening post of this thread, and Sabata basically already has agreed to it, since his only points against my Breezeblock are that it doesn't make sense as a naturally occurring block, and also raised the issues about how it would generate naturally.
As I pointed out, it COULD be a smelting process where you need to take Sabata's Block and run it through a furnace in order to get mine (maybe the heat would warp the wind flows into a single direction?) or perhaps it could work similarly to cobblestone and smoothstone, where Sabata's Block is the naturally occuring version, but when you mine it, it drops my version, and then has to be smelted if you want to turn it back into Sabata's Block.
If there were going to be different versions, it would definitely be Streamstone for mine, and Sabata's would be Galestone
what is Aetherrack (Aetherock?) and why are you just sayin' that?
And yeah, even though there have been a lot of votes for Phygs, I'm still leaning towards the Pigasus. It's the type of name that you groan over at first, but once you get over the joke you just kind of embrace it.
I mean heck, this is about the same amount of dissent that Flying Pigs got in the first place, now that they have an awesome looking mockup, you barely hear anyone complaining about them.
Wow. Thanks, man. I liked it too. I think the reason why is because it fits so well.
I've have rolled my eyes reading a lot of criticism on my comment. The worst and most unnecessary of it has come from people who think that the name Pigasus is too 'cute'. Why are they worried about that? Everything in minecraft looks cute already, the blocks are cute, the mobs are cute, LOOK AT SLIMES for instance, even ghasts are cute! But that's besides the point, it was a simply creative idea and it adds a wrinkle to the concept.
*SIGH... But what can you do... people will be critics. I know I am. I guess that's the beauty of this forum.
I thankyou all for your honest feedback. And thankyou for hearing my opinion.
Anyways, Grey. Your "excuse" was efficiency, which I claimed for mine previously and you tossed away.
Mine uses less BB, but slightly more space.
Your uses more BB, but uses only 1x1 (after having carved out at minimum a 2x1 to simply place it)
Also the whole "Mine makes more sense in possible recipes" is completely pointless.
1) POSSIBLE recipes.
2) I could probably think up recipes that mine would "make sense for" that yours wouldn't.
Neither of these lend reason to why yours over mine.
So I ask again... Why yours over mine.
Mine still stands at easier to code (assuming Geysers are still wanted and floatsand is also implemented).
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It's not so much of a "It's a joke, lol" as a "Because there is no good reason not to."
There's no good reason not to make monsters instant kill you on Hard.
Does that mean it should happen? No, not really.
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I was talking about how in construction, there could be multiple outputs.
That image really only showed a single output, but with multiple outputs per block, that's basically the combination of Grey and My ideas, except it still gets weaker as you dig into it.
Lastly, one more vote for Phyg over Pigasus.
I feel really out-numbered with the whole phyg versus pigasus thing. Is it really that stupid?
I COULD make a long list about how awesome this idea is, including everything I love about this, and so many reasons on why to add this in, or I can spare you the time of reading that and simply say:
what is Aetherrack (Aetherock?) and why are you just sayin' that?
And yeah, even though there have been a lot of votes for Phygs, I'm still leaning towards the Pigasus. It's the type of name that you groan over at first, but once you get over the joke you just kind of embrace it.
I mean heck, this is about the same amount of dissent that Flying Pigs got in the first place, now that they have an awesome looking mockup, you barely hear anyone complaining about them.
Wow. Thanks, man. I liked it too. I think the reason why is because it fits so well.
I've have rolled my eyes reading a lot of criticism on my comment. The worst and most unnecessary of it has come from people who think that the name Pigasus is too 'cute'. Why are they worried about that? Everything in minecraft looks cute already, the blocks are cute, the mobs are cute,for instance, even ghasts are cute! But that's besides the point, it was a simply creative idea and it adds a wrinkle to the concept.
*... But what can you do... people will be critics. I know I am. I guess that's the beauty of this forum.
I thankyou all for your honest feedback. And thankyou for hearing my opinion.
Your welcome. I'm sorry that I'm still leaning towards phygs. It just seems so... greek, and flying mystical-y.
I know that kind of makes little sense, since pegasus is from greek mythology. But I'm weird about names. I probably have very little good taste in them (look at mine, for instance).
I just checked out this thread for the first time today, and I like this idea a lot (BTW: I vote phygs ) but I think that if Notch implements the Aether, he will not read all of the specific suggestions and implement them exactly the way they are layed out here. I think the focus now should be on getting Notch's attention, rather than deciding exactly how it would be implemented. Notch will change stuff anyways, and I think we are much better off sticking with general suggestions rather than specific mob suggestions, blocks, and exactly how to make a glider.
Don't get me wrong, I love this idea, but there are lots of little things Notch will probably ignore or change, and I think if we really want the Aether, we must badger Notch about it.
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I vote for phyg
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That's false. Your breezeblock blows, so it can logically be used for things that have a blowing component, mine blows and sucks, so it can logically be used for things that have a blowing component OR a sucking component, or both.
PLEASE ALSO SUPPORT:
Sabata & Grey Acumen's "New Nether"
Grey Acumen's Minecraft 2.0 Suggestion Series
Might As well throw my idea into the mix. What if there were 2 versions of Breezeblock, a natural one and a crafted one. The Natural ones are the ones that spawn in world generation and are Sabata's version, when broken, they drop some kind of item used to craft the Crafted version, which is Greys. (Like Clay to Brick)
I actually wouldn't be entirely opposed to that idea, but I don't see how you could craft a block that blows and sucks from a block that only blows.
Perhaps smelting could be used. Even then, I'm not too keen on effectively adding even MORE blocks to the Aether.
PLEASE ALSO SUPPORT:
Sabata & Grey Acumen's "New Nether"
Grey Acumen's Minecraft 2.0 Suggestion Series
Anyways I love all of your ideas and strangely like pigasus over phyg. It sounds EPIC.
And yeah, even though there have been a lot of votes for Phygs, I'm still leaning towards the Pigasus. It's the type of name that you groan over at first, but once you get over the joke you just kind of embrace it.
I mean heck, this is about the same amount of dissent that Flying Pigs got in the first place, now that they have an awesome looking mockup, you barely hear anyone complaining about them.
PLEASE ALSO SUPPORT:
Sabata & Grey Acumen's "New Nether"
Grey Acumen's Minecraft 2.0 Suggestion Series
PLEASE ALSO SUPPORT:
Sabata & Grey Acumen's "New Nether"
Grey Acumen's Minecraft 2.0 Suggestion Series
Because people don't like it? It seems unbalanced for a game with long-term goals to have extremely sudden consequences?
Most things get weaker as they dwindle, with the exception of a video game boss's health and a few other things.
I actually kind of like that idea. Grey's pipe version is better for Player constructions than natural constuctions, and Sabata's white hole version appears to be easier to implement into a naturally generated world. Both could use the same "wind" blocks, so there could be cross-idea-compatability. However, there are 2 problems and 2 questions...
Problem 1: Both Grey and Sabata would need to agree to this system.
Problem 2: You would have to code the game for BOTH of them. I don't think that would be incredibly difficult, since Grey's Breezeblock was the mainly code-bulked one and that mainly because of terrain generation, which would be removed.
Question 1: HOW would you craft Grey's BreezeBlock?
Question 2: You'd have to rename one or the other. I don't really think of Grey's BB as a "Pipeblock" so much as a windblock, and Sabata's is not going to be a "white-hole-block."
Maybe Grey's could be "Flowblock" and Sabata's could be windstone (Since it's natural, it's more of a stone IMHO).
Phyg vs. Pigasus?
Phygs is more original (Like creepers)
Pigasus is more easy to get (Like skeletons, zombies, pigs, spiders, sheep, cows, and squid)
I actually prefer Phygs at the moment, since creepers are my favorite mob (With the exception of squid. Everyone thinks me crazy, but I think they're so cute) purely for their originality. But I don't know if I've given pigasi enough time to sit, since I do have a habit of distinctly preferring older ideas (Pluto is a planet, Indigo, Magenta, Black, and White are colors, no matter what whoever says).
Aethereallynice, anybody?
...
Fine.
Oh please... that's your reason for why it shouldn't be named Pigasus? Give me a break.
And I don't understand why pigasus sounds any wierder than phyg...
Technically only I really need to agree to it since I'm the one updating the opening post of this thread, and Sabata basically already has agreed to it, since his only points against my Breezeblock are that it doesn't make sense as a naturally occurring block, and also raised the issues about how it would generate naturally.
As I pointed out, it COULD be a smelting process where you need to take Sabata's Block and run it through a furnace in order to get mine (maybe the heat would warp the wind flows into a single direction?) or perhaps it could work similarly to cobblestone and smoothstone, where Sabata's Block is the naturally occuring version, but when you mine it, it drops my version, and then has to be smelted if you want to turn it back into Sabata's Block.
If there were going to be different versions, it would definitely be Streamstone for mine, and Sabata's would be Galestone
PLEASE ALSO SUPPORT:
Sabata & Grey Acumen's "New Nether"
Grey Acumen's Minecraft 2.0 Suggestion Series
Wow. Thanks, man. I liked it too. I think the reason why is because it fits so well.
I've have rolled my eyes reading a lot of criticism on my comment. The worst and most unnecessary of it has come from people who think that the name Pigasus is too 'cute'. Why are they worried about that? Everything in minecraft looks cute already, the blocks are cute, the mobs are cute, LOOK AT SLIMES for instance, even ghasts are cute! But that's besides the point, it was a simply creative idea and it adds a wrinkle to the concept.
*SIGH... But what can you do... people will be critics. I know I am. I guess that's the beauty of this forum.
I thankyou all for your honest feedback. And thankyou for hearing my opinion.
I feel really out-numbered with the whole phyg versus pigasus thing. Is it really that stupid?
Epic.
BTW, Phyg's FTW!
Your welcome. I'm sorry that I'm still leaning towards phygs. It just seems so... greek, and flying mystical-y.
I know that kind of makes little sense, since pegasus is from greek mythology. But I'm weird about names. I probably have very little good taste in them (look at mine, for instance).
And no, it's not stupid.
Don't get me wrong, I love this idea, but there are lots of little things Notch will probably ignore or change, and I think if we really want the Aether, we must badger Notch about it.
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