I'm afraid I don't quite understand what the meaning of the Aether would be. The Nether realm contains three valuable materials that can be found in no other place, but the Aether seems to be just an exact opposite of the Nether with no ghasts, zombie pigmen, and no darkness enshrouding it.
Oh my god.
Did you even GLANCE at the opening post? It's the link at the end of the very first paragraph in the Opening Post; the one that says "The New Nether"
ugh, Moving on.
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How did you make it so when you clicked the link on the table of contents, it scrolls down?
How are we going to get all that glowstone dust? think about it, each block of glowstone requires 9 pieces of dust, and you only get 1 piece of dust when you mine glowstone. Thats 126 units of dust, which translates into 126 blocks mined.
Mining all of that would take forever, you would be mobbed by ghasts, and also, what if you make a mistake while actually building the portal? You just lost 8 pieces of dust. I suggest something else be used to make an Aether Portal, something that gives off light, I know this would sound retarded, but maybe pumpkins? I don't know.
The number of bits of glowstone dust dropped has been substantially changed, if you actually bother to read the thread and its companion thread the New Nether.
Actually, the Aether doesn't specifically suggest changes to glowstone, but it is intended to be legitimately supplemented by Glowstone Sand, which is proposed for New Nether, and also is already included in the Extended 2x2 Crafting Mod. Rather than increasing how much glowstone dust is dropped, this just requires less glowstone dust to make a new glowstone block.
However the New Nether also proposes the possibility to raise the drops that glowstone gives to 1-3. Not enough to make it completely 1:1, but it wont be nearly as bad as the 1:9 it currently is.
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So, maybe with the float wool, you could make a bed you can use as a decoration? Or just make it a big bed?
There is no float wool. Sheepuffs are proposed to drop blue toned wool (pretty much anything that would otherwise require Lapis Lazuli) and possibly string.
No. Not everyone WANTS to deal with the Nether, so only the most basic of interactions with the Nether should be necessary.
The Glowstone is actually intended to EASE the player's ability to find the necessary materials, provided they know what they're doing, and thus make the Aether MORE accessible. Many people suggested Gold for building portals, but that would actually take longer than the glowstone to find and mine, which is why it has been repeatedly shot down. (the player would need just as much gold as glowstone to make a portal, but the Glowstone is easily found in large clusters, whereas the gold is spread out randomly buried in the ground to stumble on by chance while digging, and generally only in small clusters)
Accessing the Nether is actually very easy, since the player does NOT need a diamond pick or to take time mining obsidian, they merely need a bucket or two and to find a halfway decent sized pool of lava.(more buckets = fewer trips from lava pool to portal location) Then they can use the mold method (place lava in the shape of a portal, use water to turn lava into obsidian) to create a portal without ever having gotten a Diamond Pick, or even any diamonds.
After that, if the player only wants access to the Aether, they just need to pick the nearest clusters of glowstone they can see, and carefully tunnel or build to where they are, build a platform under the glowstone to keep from losing too much glowstone dust, and leave to the overworld as soon as they have enough.
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Ah, that was it. I kinda think of the two threads together.
Which I'm actually quite pleased with. They're meant to compliment each other and it's nice to see people treating their complimentary natures as being the norm.
Im assuming this is the same as the Aether Collab?
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Now please, stop trying to assert that the Mod IS the Aether. Especially in the thread the Mod is BASED OFF OF.
I think someone will continuously have to repost this unless a large-type and red disclaimer is put on the front. For now, this should serve for page 113.
EDIT: Sorry to make something of a useless post. I like this idea enough to make an actual contribution, but I cannot think of one to make yet. Which is, in its own way, pretty good.
I have some ideas for the Aether I'd like everyone's feedback on:
Skybushes
They'd be free floating island sized clumps of leaves, without any wood. Some would be small, others could have hundreds of blocks. You could build on them, or dig tunnels through them.
Their leaves would also drop skybush saplings, which would sprout into a clump of 5-10 skybush leaf blocks. You'd be able to plant skybush saplings on any surface, including on the sides and bottom of blocks. They'd be useful for people who want to selectively add more leaf blocks without planting trees or having wood nearby.
Underroot Trees
Underroot trees would be like the mirror image of a tree, growing only upside down off the bottom of islands. Their saplings would latch only on the bottom of dirt/aetherdirt blocks so you could grow upside trees anywhere you like. Underroot wood would also be craftable into a few unique objects:
Underroot Torches - The same as regular torches except you cannot place them on the ground and can place them on the ceiling upside down.
Underroot Half blocks - Planks that can only be placed on the bottom of blocks.
Underroot Fencing - Fences that can only be placed on the bottom of blocks
Sky Flowers
Tiny beautiful white flowers that act like flying mobs, floating randomly through the air. If you manage to hit one, or shoot one with an arrow, it'll fall down as a collectible item. You can then release it anywhere you want, in any dimension. The flowers you've released don't despawn, so you can fill up sealed rooms with beautiful floating flowers.
Hmm. Now I can add something to the (admittedly a little faulty) conversation.
My thought was this:
If the plan was to make it so the portals had to be gold blocks, finding a Midas Tear, as I currently understand it, would be rather. . . fortuitous. Find a source block: Use it on a whole bunch of pork. Pork turns to gold, gold crafted to gold blocks. It would still be a lot of pork or bread or whatever. But by the time a player finds a Midas Tear, I would think they have at least one farm patch up and running. I don't go into the Nether now without a steady supply of wheat and seeds.
But, if they are as rare as waterfalls (Which for me is not that rare of a find. . . *Loads new world* *Looks at in-game mountain* Yep there's one), then I suppose that would kinda be like using the- What I called the "form" method of Nether gate-building. If you can find the resources, good for you. If you cannot, you still have to go the hard way.
Obviously this will not work if Notch does not put in Midas Tears. But I like it. Though it does give a whole too-much-similarity to the portal situation.
Find a source block: Use it on a whole bunch of pork. Pork turns to gold, gold crafted to gold blocks. It would still be a lot of pork or bread or whatever. But by the time a player finds a Midas Tear, I would think they have at least one farm patch up and running. I don't go into the Nether now without a steady supply of wheat and seeds.
Midas Tears only work on ore based items and apples, and destroys anything else. You'd need to spend iron ingots or blocks in order to get gold blocks.
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There's an idea, with the Midas Tears. Sure, you'd probably need to just use Iron and/or Coal (if coal would work), but it WOULD make the gold a LOT easier to get.
Midas Tears only work on ore based items and apples, and destroys anything else. You'd need to spend iron ingots or blocks in order to get gold blocks.
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Any Iron Ore and regenerative items are replaced with Gold Ore [. . .]
Regenerative items, I think, being stuff like pork and bread. Unless I'm wrong and have missed a discussion on that thread (Got bored about half-way through the 'Gloomwood isn't wood' argument).
And, the paragraph does mention apples, which are lumped into, yet specifically excluded from regenerative items because it can become a golden apple.
Regenerative items, I think, being stuff like pork and bread. Unless I'm wrong and have missed a discussion on that thread (Got bored about half-way through the 'Gloomwood isn't wood' argument).
And, the paragraph does mention apples, which are lumped into, yet specifically excluded from regenerative items because it can become a golden apple.
Yeah, the regenerative items were originally intended to be goldified (to keep in line with Midas not being able to eat due to his food turning to gold as he bit into it) but it would make it far too easy to get gold. Apples turning into Golden apples might be kept, but not the other food/regenerative items. The opening post of the New Nether will need updated to reflect that.
I just thought of some stuff, cause. Imagine when you start making nether portals in the aether and aether portals in the nether! thats when it gets fancy
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I just thought of some stuff, cause. Imagine when you start making nether portals in the aether and aether portals in the nether! thats when it gets fancy
Yes, imagine something that was already thought of and addressed in the first 16 seconds of the concept of the Aether, where Water was proposed as the activator for the Aether portals, preventing them from being activated in the Nether, and fire was proposed as being disabled in the Aether, preventing Nether portals from being activated in the Aether.
How about the Aether TNT implodes? Eh? So, instead of blowing outward, items would be sucked into it. And it could be non-lethal, so it could be a reward for getting to the Aether. But, though, it will still have to be more powerful than a blocks explosion resistance (like regular TNT).
How about the Aether TNT implodes? Eh? So, instead of blowing outward, items would be sucked into it. And it could be non-lethal, so it could be a reward for getting to the Aether. But, though, it will still have to be more powerful than a blocks explosion resistance (like regular TNT).
Since when does the Aether even have TNT? If you're talking about making it from floatsand, then the obvious effect would be to have the TNT float in whichever direction you hit it before exploding
I like the idea but I think the over use of golden pick axes and shovels are a bit much, we don't use it in the Nether. Maybe make the really important stuff golden or something. Other than that I think it's great and I'm glad Notch is considering it.
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Oh my god.
Did you even GLANCE at the opening post? It's the link at the end of the very first paragraph in the Opening Post; the one that says "The New Nether"
ugh, Moving on.
http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=374693#p374693
Actually, the Aether doesn't specifically suggest changes to glowstone, but it is intended to be legitimately supplemented by Glowstone Sand, which is proposed for New Nether, and also is already included in the Extended 2x2 Crafting Mod. Rather than increasing how much glowstone dust is dropped, this just requires less glowstone dust to make a new glowstone block.
However the New Nether also proposes the possibility to raise the drops that glowstone gives to 1-3. Not enough to make it completely 1:1, but it wont be nearly as bad as the 1:9 it currently is.
There is no float wool. Sheepuffs are proposed to drop blue toned wool (pretty much anything that would otherwise require Lapis Lazuli) and possibly string.
PLEASE ALSO SUPPORT:
Sabata & Grey Acumen's "New Nether"
Grey Acumen's Minecraft 2.0 Suggestion Series
The Glowstone is actually intended to EASE the player's ability to find the necessary materials, provided they know what they're doing, and thus make the Aether MORE accessible. Many people suggested Gold for building portals, but that would actually take longer than the glowstone to find and mine, which is why it has been repeatedly shot down. (the player would need just as much gold as glowstone to make a portal, but the Glowstone is easily found in large clusters, whereas the gold is spread out randomly buried in the ground to stumble on by chance while digging, and generally only in small clusters)
Accessing the Nether is actually very easy, since the player does NOT need a diamond pick or to take time mining obsidian, they merely need a bucket or two and to find a halfway decent sized pool of lava.(more buckets = fewer trips from lava pool to portal location) Then they can use the mold method (place lava in the shape of a portal, use water to turn lava into obsidian) to create a portal without ever having gotten a Diamond Pick, or even any diamonds.
After that, if the player only wants access to the Aether, they just need to pick the nearest clusters of glowstone they can see, and carefully tunnel or build to where they are, build a platform under the glowstone to keep from losing too much glowstone dust, and leave to the overworld as soon as they have enough.
Which I'm actually quite pleased with. They're meant to compliment each other and it's nice to see people treating their complimentary natures as being the norm.
PLEASE ALSO SUPPORT:
Sabata & Grey Acumen's "New Nether"
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Anyway looks awesome, favorited,
I think someone will continuously have to repost this unless a large-type and red disclaimer is put on the front. For now, this should serve for page 113.
EDIT: Sorry to make something of a useless post. I like this idea enough to make an actual contribution, but I cannot think of one to make yet. Which is, in its own way, pretty good.
Skybushes
They'd be free floating island sized clumps of leaves, without any wood. Some would be small, others could have hundreds of blocks. You could build on them, or dig tunnels through them.
Their leaves would also drop skybush saplings, which would sprout into a clump of 5-10 skybush leaf blocks. You'd be able to plant skybush saplings on any surface, including on the sides and bottom of blocks. They'd be useful for people who want to selectively add more leaf blocks without planting trees or having wood nearby.
Underroot Trees
Underroot trees would be like the mirror image of a tree, growing only upside down off the bottom of islands. Their saplings would latch only on the bottom of dirt/aetherdirt blocks so you could grow upside trees anywhere you like. Underroot wood would also be craftable into a few unique objects:
Underroot Torches - The same as regular torches except you cannot place them on the ground and can place them on the ceiling upside down.
Underroot Half blocks - Planks that can only be placed on the bottom of blocks.
Underroot Fencing - Fences that can only be placed on the bottom of blocks
Sky Flowers
Tiny beautiful white flowers that act like flying mobs, floating randomly through the air. If you manage to hit one, or shoot one with an arrow, it'll fall down as a collectible item. You can then release it anywhere you want, in any dimension. The flowers you've released don't despawn, so you can fill up sealed rooms with beautiful floating flowers.
That kills the main point of the Nether.
Midas Tears maybe? I don't think it should be too rare a material (I forget how rare Midas Tears are.)
Edit: Couldn't find any mention of rarity in New Nether.
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It'll likely be about as rare as finding a waterfall in the Overworld. (Midas Tears)
And there's Netherraze and Blood Gems as rare materials.
My thought was this:
If the plan was to make it so the portals had to be gold blocks, finding a Midas Tear, as I currently understand it, would be rather. . . fortuitous. Find a source block: Use it on a whole bunch of pork. Pork turns to gold, gold crafted to gold blocks. It would still be a lot of pork or bread or whatever. But by the time a player finds a Midas Tear, I would think they have at least one farm patch up and running. I don't go into the Nether now without a steady supply of wheat and seeds.
But, if they are as rare as waterfalls (Which for me is not that rare of a find. . . *Loads new world* *Looks at in-game mountain* Yep there's one), then I suppose that would kinda be like using the- What I called the "form" method of Nether gate-building. If you can find the resources, good for you. If you cannot, you still have to go the hard way.
Obviously this will not work if Notch does not put in Midas Tears. But I like it. Though it does give a whole too-much-similarity to the portal situation.
Midas Tears only work on ore based items and apples, and destroys anything else. You'd need to spend iron ingots or blocks in order to get gold blocks.
Mostly moved on. May check back a few times a year.
Also, just thought I'd say that I love this pic:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/Tszulcha/MineyFont.png
Regenerative items, I think, being stuff like pork and bread. Unless I'm wrong and have missed a discussion on that thread (Got bored about half-way through the 'Gloomwood isn't wood' argument).
And, the paragraph does mention apples, which are lumped into, yet specifically excluded from regenerative items because it can become a golden apple.
Yeah, the regenerative items were originally intended to be goldified (to keep in line with Midas not being able to eat due to his food turning to gold as he bit into it) but it would make it far too easy to get gold. Apples turning into Golden apples might be kept, but not the other food/regenerative items. The opening post of the New Nether will need updated to reflect that.
PLEASE ALSO SUPPORT:
Sabata & Grey Acumen's "New Nether"
Grey Acumen's Minecraft 2.0 Suggestion Series
Yes, imagine something that was already thought of and addressed in the first 16 seconds of the concept of the Aether, where Water was proposed as the activator for the Aether portals, preventing them from being activated in the Nether, and fire was proposed as being disabled in the Aether, preventing Nether portals from being activated in the Aether.
Fancy. Right.
PLEASE ALSO SUPPORT:
Sabata & Grey Acumen's "New Nether"
Grey Acumen's Minecraft 2.0 Suggestion Series
Since when does the Aether even have TNT? If you're talking about making it from floatsand, then the obvious effect would be to have the TNT float in whichever direction you hit it before exploding
PLEASE ALSO SUPPORT:
Sabata & Grey Acumen's "New Nether"
Grey Acumen's Minecraft 2.0 Suggestion Series