When I first began reading, I was like "HELL YEAH!" But as I went on, I realized you weren't just talking about making the ocean more realistic and better. I agreed with you up to the point of having fish mobs, better light penetration, more blocks for underwater, and more diverse terrain. But when you began talking about scuba suits, boats, and natural disasters I lost interest. (Although the underwater lighting thing is also a good idea.)
It's kinda hard to explain, but minecraft is a simple game. If you start going crazy with the crafting, it becomes too complex. So with the boat thing... WHOAH. It's crazy. Maybe just adding a cargo boat and a furnace boat, like with minecarts, which you can tie to your boat, but creating different hulls and such whatnot is a bit too extreme I think. However, Notch might be able to take your boat suggestion and clean it up just enough to make it work. Who knows.
As for the underwater breathing (Scuba suits and masks) I REALLY don't want those in game. It would nearly remove the toughness and fun of building underwater, and would nullify the entire idea of it being dangerous, as you wanted. Maybe (once again...) something a bit more simple, as in a mask alone, which increases your bubbliness by a bit, but beyond that you might as well make one of these.
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It can be built at the bottom of the ocean to create an air bubble, and it would also remove the need for the bubbling machine that some people were discussing.
That's what minecraft is about: Finding clever solutions to your problems, not making an object that does it for you.
First of all, I will say to you Notch does intend to add super-entities eventually (IE, huge boats among other things). And while I agree MC does have a good amount of gameplay rooted in using the things around you to make things work, but this doesn't mean the mentioned items can't be added. Its like those people who scream at people who mention they play on peaceful. The items make it easier, like peaceful makes it easier, it doesn't mean peaceful shouldn't exist.
Also, scuba gear makes it possible to explore and collect materials down underwater. If I had a limited amount of air, I would only be able to go down there, mine up a block, go back up, and repeat. If I had to do that, I would rather not enter the water at all. Heck, I might not be able to reach the sea floor at all, seeing as how it will be much deeper.
When you talk about you not being able to swim directly to the bottom of the ocean floor (when it becomes deeper) THATS THE POINT. It's not supposed to be easy to get to such a place. I understand what you mean, but you are forgetting something: When it comes to single player, sure the player has the choice how hard to make the game. But in multiplayer the entire group operates with the same rules.
So what if I don't want to make it easy by using such objects in my server, but another player does? He would easily do so, without me being able to even it out. But maybe we might be able to come to a compromise:
1. Servers can choose which items to allow and which not to allow (A lot of trouble...)
2. Such items only appear on peaceful mode.
I would probably prefer 2, as it makes it easier for admins of servers, and also prevents people from having an unfair advantage, both over other players and over mobs.
As far as the super-entities or whatever are concerned, I think it's a bad idea. (With the same logic as previous statements.) It's the equivalent of having a building super-entity: Instead of actually having to build a shelter you just place one! At this point, what are you really building, if anything?
Of course, people will point out that you really can't build a working boat. So this is where I think we can make a REAL improvement: Maybe turn a bit towards GM ideology and add some sort of glue or something. And make certian types of blocks that are "freefloating", and able to move around. So maybe we could actually put together our own boat piece by piece?
Just sayin.
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EDIT: If you think I'm trying to be mean, I'm not, I just don't want to argue anymore. I hope I didn't offend you in any way, and also hope that we will both end this in a dignified manner. Just saying.
Present a new risk for boats? I love it! Maybe, only let lakes freeze (determine lake by amount of water and amount of land surrounding water, yes?) and only let icebergs float in oceans. Of course, for optimum enjoyment, increase the size of biomes radically. I've walked from one side of a snow biome to the other in 2 minutes, before. It's no fun. (I like the way the snowy biomes look, what can I say?)
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Why do we have a Suggestions section if everyone shoots everyone else down? I suggest renaming it the Flame War section. Pun intended.
In a snow biome, icebergs could be generated on the water. They would be much larger under the water, but would only work if the deeper oceans are implemented. To make these best, however, there would have to be less ice on snow biome water, so to make it a sailing hazard rather than a pretty sight.
It would be like this: = Ice
I also agree with Solomon212: Scuba things are to easy. I hope this idea is somewhat helpful.
Static iceburgs? I think that will work, yes. I'll just add that on then..
In a snow biome, icebergs could be generated on the water. They would be much larger under the water, but would only work if the deeper oceans are implemented. To make these best, however, there would have to be less ice on snow biome water, so to make it a sailing hazard rather than a pretty sight.
It would be like this: = Ice
I also agree with Solomon212: Scuba things are to easy. I hope this idea is somewhat helpful.
Static iceburgs? I think that will work, yes. I'll just add that on then..
In a snow biome, icebergs could be generated on the water. They would be much larger under the water, but would only work if the deeper oceans are implemented. To make these best, however, there would have to be less ice on snow biome water, so to make it a sailing hazard rather than a pretty sight.
It would be like this: = Ice
I also agree with Solomon212: Scuba things are to easy. I hope this idea is somewhat helpful.
Static iceburgs? I think that will work, yes. I'll just add that on then..
I suggested iceburgs a few pages ago..... -.-
Really? Sorry, sometimes this thread can move really fast, and some posts can get eaten. Quote for me please?
hey, check out the icebergs thread. it sorta links into this by giving more personality to the surface, and not just the sea floor.
The thread was on the first page of the suggestions section at the time. :tongue.gif:
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Another half baked idea from the mind of Bacon!
Instead if boats breaking instantly, larger boats could sink slowly to the the bottom of the ocean and possibly become a wreck, maybe spawning monsters until you retreive something or light it up.
Or maybe fish would just spawn there.
You could harvest the boat itself and get something like rusty iron or rotting wood.
Also, yamgrenade said he mentioned the iceberg idea already. Sorry, I didn't see it. I should read more next time.
But yeah. Shipwrecks anyone?
Its ok that you suggested it. I don't expect anyone to read 20 pages if they have a good idea. I just wish my post got more attention. >.>
I was thinking the 'rotted wood' idea would be cool if found in underwater dungeons in the same way mossy cobblestone is found in cave dungeons. A simple reskin that is unobtainable any other way.
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This is all amazing stuff, also shows to many that we do not need another realm for the ocean. I also suggest another light source for under water [] for any underwater caves :biggrin.gif:
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On the long lost subject of submarines, I think it would be better if instead you had a submarine/capsule on a winch which can be moved up and down like and underwater lift. it would be a way to get to the ocean floor with extra air (as I think you should be able the breathe normally in it) and to access bases without much risk. here will be an attempt at a diagram:
[/url][url=http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=80066][/url][url=http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=65953][/url][url=http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20148][/url][url=http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1025&t=125156][/url][url=http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=128791]What did thoes poor [Pig]s do to deserve death?[/url]
Mercow
Environment: water... where else would it be
AI:It's a cow
Drop: Hide
Misc: Wait wtf
Basically just a version of the cow only under water.
This also lead me to the idea of other undisclosed ideas that may or may not be released at a later date.
What about undersea lighting? It might have been mentioned but I am not sure, I sort of skimmed the thread honestly.
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Arguing will be pointless, and will just spam up the thread. Lets just agree to disagree, and let this matter rest. We'll see, maybe one day, we all will.
EDIT: If you think I'm trying to be mean, I'm not, I just don't want to argue anymore. I hope I didn't offend you in any way, and also hope that we will both end this in a dignified manner. Just saying.
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Why do we have a Suggestions section if everyone shoots everyone else down? I suggest renaming it the Flame War section. Pun intended.
Static iceburgs? I think that will work, yes. I'll just add that on then..
I suggested iceburgs a few pages ago..... -.-
Really? Sorry, sometimes this thread can move really fast, and some posts can get eaten. Quote for me please?
The thread was on the first page of the suggestions section at the time. :tongue.gif:
Its ok that you suggested it. I don't expect anyone to read 20 pages if they have a good idea. I just wish my post got more attention. >.>
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You would be able to control whether you went up or down from the sub.
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its called jack o lanterns
Which aren't a viable light source, owing to their rarity.
Pfft. You should see my supply... That burned down ._.
Wise ass out.
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