Having wandered in here from the Dwarf Fortress forums, I'm a bit bemused by all this controversy. How can something be superfluous in a game? Of course Dwarf Fortress has dozens of mineral types with no particular use. : ) I'd say add clay in abundance and locations similar to real life, give it as many uses as possible, and include rare patches of high quality, different colored clay for those with the collector's instinct. More features for everybody!
(as a serious aside, clay is different from generic dirt in that it has a smaller particle size and lacks a lot of organic material. Clay itself is fairly common, and you can make bricks from most of it, but if you want to make pottery suitable clay is harder to find)
From game design perspective : Its good to have different type of blocks covering different
range of rarity. Clay happens to be "semi-rare".
Rarity should not be arbitrary. The "happens to be semi-rare" part is not a game design perspective. Everything in game design should have a reason. What if clay happened to be ultra-rare? You can expect to find 1 clay for every 10 diamonds you find. Would that be good design? Does saying it happens to be ultra-rare justify it being ultra-rare? No. There should be a reason a block is in a certain rarity category. As it is, something needs to change to justify why it is there. More uses of clay could justify it. More clay on the map could adjust it. Increasing the durability of bricks could justify it. But there needs to be some change.
I just looked at the patch notes. He did make clay more common last week. We may be complaining about the old state of affairs. This may also explain why some people say they are spawning next to tons of it; they are using the new code.
idk what you guys are talking about I've found 5 - 6 deposits of clay 2 near my base and the other 4 a good days worth of walking away, and thats why i have a nice entire brick made house with a chimney :smile.gif:
..However, this leads me to conclude that cartograph may be a bit buggy with clay, because I spawned a map, ran cartograph and came up with 200 something blocks in the world too, a few days ago, and I still found lots. Maybe not 200, but I doubt I'd have spawned next to all of it to make up for that. I did go exploring a fair bit.
I don't think it's been fixed, I've still seen none of the stuff (Seriously, none whatsoever) and I've created a new world very recently, also, several of my worlds are mostly islandy areas, which I would EXPECT to have tons of clay.
I can't get Cartograph to work, so i dunno how much there is.
Okay, I got cartographer working.
There are 464 blocks of clay in my world, this is almost entirely a beach world by the way. To put this in perspective, there are also:
4334 blocks of diamond
1446 blocks of ****ING OBSIDIAN!!!!
I think people who've had their saves since before secret friday update 9 will not find clay easily.
Make a new world and it should be easier to find.
I shall try this, though if I do get more clay it won't be worth losing all my progress for, if anything I'll just cheat some clay into my inventory if I really want the stuff.
Ugh, but I have to re-download packages every time I start the game for some reason, and it's only going 0.05 kbps
Well, we'll see what happens. Eventually.
EDIT: Okay, well it's SLIGHTLY better, there's 388 blocks of clay and 1551 blocks of diamond.
That's like, 20% as much rather than 10%
Honestly I think it would make sense if there were AT LEAST an equal amount of clay as diamond.
Don't forget that the clay is concentrated at specifictypes of location at quite a specific depth. Diamond is alot more spread out. Have we any anecdotal experience of the rarity of clay since the last update?
My brain cannot comprehend this language of which you speak.
Diamonds all over the place once you go deep enough, clay is only found in sand on the coast (as far as I know) and mostly at the surface. So 388 blocks of clay will be as easy to find than 1551 blocks diamond because you know where to go for it and its all in one place.
That said it still seems nuttily scarce for what it does.
My brain can now comprehend your chosen language. :wink.gif:
How is dirt and clay the same thing? You can't make pottery out of dirt, and you can't grow things, at least not very well, in clay...
Maybe just make clay more common?
Clay is a sub-category of "dirt".
Anyone who took a class in Geography can tell you the layer-by-layer breakdown of earth... clay is pretty damn common (depending on geographical location) so it is not entirely unnatural to assume you would find enough clay content in normal "dirt" to perpetuate a logical deduction that dirt = clay.
Also, you can make pottery out of dirt... you can also polish dirt until it gleams like a polished marble surface. You can also grow things in clay... like:
- Astartea fascicularis 1 x 1.5m. Small leaves, white or pink flowers throughout the year.
- Banksia ericifolia 5 x 4m. Rounded dense shrub, long cylindrical orange flowers during autumn and winter.
- Banksia ‘Giant Candles’ is a cross between B.ericifolia and B.spinulosa. The orange flower spikes can be up to 40 cm. long.
- Banksia spinulosa 1.5 x 1.5m. Cylindrical orange-yellow flower spikes during autumn and winter. Bird attracting.
- Banksia robur 2 x 2m. Large tough leaves with serrated margins, flower spike is blue-green in bud and yellow–green when in flower.
- Banksia marginata 4-6 x 2-4m. Dark green leaves with a silver underside. Yellow flower spikes during spring and summer.
- Bauera rubioides 1 x 1m. Rosy pink flowers for most of the year with a main flush in spring. White flowered forms are available.
- Boronia denticulata 1 x 0.6m. Aromatic foliage, star pink flowers in spring.
- Brachyscome multifida 0.5 x 1.5m. Small blue or white flowers throughout the year. Soft divided leaves.
- Calytrix tetragona 1 x 1m. Bright green foliage. White through to deep pink star shaped flowers in spring followed by reddish fruiting capsules.
- Correa alba 1 x 1.5m. Oval greyish leaves. Open star shaped flowers in winter with some flowering throughout the year. Suitable as a front line coastal plant.
- Correa ‘Dusky Bells’ 0.5 x 2.5m. Showy pink bell shaped flowers in autumn.
- Correa ‘Mannii’ 0.5 x 1.5m. Dusty pink flowers in autumn and winter . Dense growth habit.
- Correa reflexa 1-2 x 1-2.5m. Many forms available. Green through to red bell shaped flowers during autumn and winter.
- Crowea exalata 0.8 x 0.8m. Aromatic foliage. Pink or white star like flowers in summer and autumn.
- Dianella revoluta Flax-like leaves. Bright blue flowers in spring followed by deep blue globular fruit.
- Eremophila maculata ‘Aurea’ 1.5 x 1.5m. Suitable for hot dry position. Yellow tubular flowers for most of the year .
- Grevillea x gaudichaudii 0.3 x 3m. Vigorous groundcover with oak shaped leaves. Tooth-brush like deep red flowers in winter and spring .
- Grevillea ‘Honey Gem’ 4 x 4m. Large shrub with orange toothbrush like flowers for most of the year. Bird attracting.
- Grevillea ‘Moonlight’ 4 x 3m. Large shrub. Attractive cream toothbrush-like flowers.
- Grevillea ‘Poorinda Royal Mantle’ 0.3 x 3m. Vigorous groundcover. Dark red flowers in spring and summer. One of the best ground cover grevilleas.
- Hardenbergia violacea Trailing plant 1 to 3m. Can be used as a climber to cover fences etc. Purple, pink or white pea–shaped flowers in spring.
- Hibbertia scandens Quick growing twining plant. Large yellow open flowers in spring.
- Melaleuca hypericifolia 2 x 4m. Dense shrub. Brick red bottlebrush flowers in late spring and summer.
- Melaleuca thymifolia 0.6 x 0.6m. Small shrub with elliptical leaves. Mauve or white flowers for much of the year.
- Micromyrtus ciliata 1 x 1m. Very tiny green leaves. In spring the plant is covered in small white flowers. Suitable for cut flowers.
- Myoporum parvifolium x 1.5m. Dense ground covering plant. Green or purple leaf forms, with white or pink flowers are available.
- Prostanthera rotundifolia 1.5 x 1.5m. Roundish leaves often with toothed margins. Masses of purple flowers in spring. A pink flowering form is available.
- Scaevola ‘Mauve Clusters’ Prostrate x 1.5m. Quick growing ground cover.
- Westringia fruticosa 2.5 x 2.5m. Blue-green foliage. White flowers throughout the year. A hardy front line coastal plant.
- Xerochrysum bracteatum syn. Helichrysum bracteatum ‘Dargon Hill Monarch’ 0.6 x 0.6m. Large grey-green leaves. Large flower heads in spring, summer and autumn. Bright yellow through to white everlasting flowers.
My friends all keep going on about how they find clay all the time, but I'm not sure I believe them. I have never seen clay either, as so many are saying.
I think it's an excellent idea to make dirt into bricks not only because clay is hard to find, but because dirt is...dirt. Nobody wants to build a house out of dirt and at least stone, another abundant resource, is used for tools and such. Having to use nine bricks to make one block of bricks doesn't seem that over powered, either, since brick is just cosmetic. I support this! Or at least I support dirt having another use or clay being less hard to find...either way.