Why is the dirt background removed in 24w09a? Why did they have to remove such a nostalgic element of Minecraft?
Nostalgia isn't a good reason on its own to keep things as they are. That seems akin to "don't ever change something because I have memories of it as it is now". Not everyone holds an immense nostalgia towards a menu background.
Things change. Many people dislike the idea of change, so much so that they'll form a bad reaction before even giving something a chance. That's not a good reason not to change something. Of course changes can be for the worse as well as the better, but it's a matter of opinion whether change is good or bad. You don't seem to be stating it's bad for any particular reason though; just that it's bad because of the fact that it's been changed.
The game has been changing from the start. The main menu used to be different, and then the panorama was added. And that happened way early on.
I personally don't mind the new menu changes. The new transparency blur is used in the menus (both main menu and game pause menu). If anything, it brings a bit of its own nostalgia factor for me since everything dropped fancy effects and transparency many years ago for this awful bland, flat, and blank space look that modern Windows pioneered. This transparent blur gives the panorama itself of the main menu more use, since you're not only seeing it for one single screen. I also noticed it "remembers" the panorama state (even after loading into a game and leaving) so you are more likely to see the entire thing over time instead of the same single still of what should be a rotating panorama. So it brings its benefits in my eyes.
I do think the blur is a tad aggressive (more notably on the pause menu in game) and could be dialed back slightly, but I can live with the change overall.
I felt a bit nostalgic for the dirt background as well, but I do agree that the transparency is a good upgrade. I have the blur intensity set to 0% (in the accessibility settings) so that when the game is paused or in an options menu I can see clearly. It's a feature that client-side rendering mods like OptiFine and Sodium/Fabric have already had for a while (so you can see the shader you select), so it's nice to see it become an official feature. It also makes the tabs in the world creation screen look better, IMO.
I'm not sure. I don't play Bedrock. But I think by not knowing, it might help me keep a clearer head at how I feel about a given changes as opposed to disliking something just because it's in Bedrock. Parity isn't inherently a bad thing (although there's certain things Bedrock does that Java shouldn't adopt).
Nostalgia is definitely a powerful thing, especially ones linked to our formative years, and it's not purely a bad thing. I have my own things that evoke nostalgia (not typically Minecraft though; you'd have to go quite a bit older). But I think we should give things a chance even if something longstanding is changed.
I have the blur intensity set to 0% (in the accessibility settings) so that when the game is paused or in an options menu I can see clearly.
Oh, I wasn't aware of that. I'll have to play with that then. I like the feature, but I think the default blur amount is a bit excessive at least on the pause menu, but maybe that's me not being used to it yet.
I was kind of thinking it'd be fitting to leave in for when the programmer art is selected, but yes, a separate option would be the ideal solution. It lets those who want the old textures but the new menu, or the new textures with the old dirt menu, have that.
While we are on the topic of the dirt background, Phoenix SC pointed out by using programmer art, by simply pausing, the dirt background covers it unlike old versions so either Nostalgic Tweaks will add the functionality for the dirt background or Mojang will fix this.
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The dirty background has been removed, likely due to the fact that it may have caused some performance issues with the game on some devices. Removing this element helps improve the optimization of the game and make it more stable.
I mean, while this may seem like a nostalgic element for some players, sometimes developers make such decisions in order to improve the gaming experience and ensure better game performance for all players
The dirty background has been removed, likely due to the fact that it may have caused some performance issues with the game on some devices. Removing this element helps improve the optimization of the game and make it more stable.
I mean, while this may seem like a nostalgic element for some players, sometimes developers make such decisions in order to improve the gaming experience and ensure better game performance for all players
I really, seriously doubt that... if such a simple thing gave you issues then an actual world would be completely unplayable.
That's literally it, it just tiles a single texture across the screen (the texture itself is 16x16 and drawn at twice the resolution, wrapping around however many times necessary to fill the drawn area). Even a single item is likely much more expensive to render, much less the entire panorama, which actually has had reported performance issues in the past, especially when Mojang greatly increased the resolution in 1.13 (note that they say going into a menu dropped GPU usage from 60% to just 3%). Even the older one had been reported to cause issues (the dirt background had been used for the main menu prior to Beta 1.8):
Can we just add a new option to the options menu to disable the animated menu and use the old dirt background or something. This bug might be a bug with specific video cards or something.
thats not funny? whats not funny that these "nostalgic players" keep acting like they are some superior shits just because I only played minecraft for 3 years. I literally am better at the game then them lol
It is starting to change. Alot of updates bring more stuff to minecraft and sometimes minecraft adds stuff. Sometimes it makes it change the game. Example: Minecraft changed the logo screen of minecraft which was blurry but now clearer. Its changing the game because of these updates. It really means that it is elvolving. If Notch had enough money to still own minecraft, then a little detail might be added. Besides, We have mob votes because of Notch's dissapearence. We have updates that sometimes suck because Notch doesn't own minecraft anymore. Sorry for the long post, but thats about wraps it up today.
By the way, the dirt menu background has been moved to the programmer art resource pack, and yes, the new transparency menu also will have an option for the amount of blur.
I don't think branding should be changed without thought. You lose marketability when you lose recognizability. First the creeper face in the name logo, then the dirt wall for worlds, what else?
Yeah, it's the same game, but it's going to need to adjust to its new look in the eyes of the world.
That's because the face is still there, not sure what they're on about.
More on topic, I will say I'm gonna miss the dirt background. I feel like it's one of the few remaining parts of the game that's still grounded in that imperfect indie game aesthetic it used to have. Not surprised by the change though, or too bothered by it (love resource packs 🙏)
That's because the face is still there, not sure what they're on about.
More on topic, I will say I'm gonna miss the dirt background. I feel like it's one of the few remaining parts of the game that's still grounded in that imperfect indie game aesthetic it used to have. Not surprised by the change though, or too bothered by it (love resource packs 🙏)
I heard it was being removed or altered in some way, it does look less striking now.
Why is the dirt background removed in 24w09a? Why did they have to remove such a nostalgic element of Minecraft?
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Nostalgia isn't a good reason on its own to keep things as they are. That seems akin to "don't ever change something because I have memories of it as it is now". Not everyone holds an immense nostalgia towards a menu background.
Things change. Many people dislike the idea of change, so much so that they'll form a bad reaction before even giving something a chance. That's not a good reason not to change something. Of course changes can be for the worse as well as the better, but it's a matter of opinion whether change is good or bad. You don't seem to be stating it's bad for any particular reason though; just that it's bad because of the fact that it's been changed.
The game has been changing from the start. The main menu used to be different, and then the panorama was added. And that happened way early on.
I personally don't mind the new menu changes. The new transparency blur is used in the menus (both main menu and game pause menu). If anything, it brings a bit of its own nostalgia factor for me since everything dropped fancy effects and transparency many years ago for this awful bland, flat, and blank space look that modern Windows pioneered. This transparent blur gives the panorama itself of the main menu more use, since you're not only seeing it for one single screen. I also noticed it "remembers" the panorama state (even after loading into a game and leaving) so you are more likely to see the entire thing over time instead of the same single still of what should be a rotating panorama. So it brings its benefits in my eyes.
I do think the blur is a tad aggressive (more notably on the pause menu in game) and could be dialed back slightly, but I can live with the change overall.
Is it for parity with Bedrock Edition?
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I felt a bit nostalgic for the dirt background as well, but I do agree that the transparency is a good upgrade. I have the blur intensity set to 0% (in the accessibility settings) so that when the game is paused or in an options menu I can see clearly. It's a feature that client-side rendering mods like OptiFine and Sodium/Fabric have already had for a while (so you can see the shader you select), so it's nice to see it become an official feature. It also makes the tabs in the world creation screen look better, IMO.
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I'm not sure. I don't play Bedrock. But I think by not knowing, it might help me keep a clearer head at how I feel about a given changes as opposed to disliking something just because it's in Bedrock. Parity isn't inherently a bad thing (although there's certain things Bedrock does that Java shouldn't adopt).
Nostalgia is definitely a powerful thing, especially ones linked to our formative years, and it's not purely a bad thing. I have my own things that evoke nostalgia (not typically Minecraft though; you'd have to go quite a bit older). But I think we should give things a chance even if something longstanding is changed.
Oh, I wasn't aware of that. I'll have to play with that then. I like the feature, but I think the default blur amount is a bit excessive at least on the pause menu, but maybe that's me not being used to it yet.
And while on the topic of dirt background, why didn't Mojang add a toggle for the dirt background outside Programmer Art?
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I was kind of thinking it'd be fitting to leave in for when the programmer art is selected, but yes, a separate option would be the ideal solution. It lets those who want the old textures but the new menu, or the new textures with the old dirt menu, have that.
While we are on the topic of the dirt background, Phoenix SC pointed out by using programmer art, by simply pausing, the dirt background covers it unlike old versions so either Nostalgic Tweaks will add the functionality for the dirt background or Mojang will fix this.
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The dirty background has been removed, likely due to the fact that it may have caused some performance issues with the game on some devices. Removing this element helps improve the optimization of the game and make it more stable.
I mean, while this may seem like a nostalgic element for some players, sometimes developers make such decisions in order to improve the gaming experience and ensure better game performance for all players
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I really, seriously doubt that... if such a simple thing gave you issues then an actual world would be completely unplayable.
public void drawBackground(int par1) { GL11.glDisable(GL11.GL_LIGHTING); GL11.glDisable(GL11.GL_FOG); Tessellator var2 = Tessellator.instance; this.mc.getTextureManager().bindTexture(optionsBackground); GL11.glColor4f(1.0F, 1.0F, 1.0F, 1.0F); float var3 = 32.0F; var2.startDrawingQuads(); var2.setColorOpaque_I(4210752); var2.addVertexWithUV(0.0D, (double)this.height, 0.0D, 0.0D, (double)((float)this.height / var3 + (float)par1)); var2.addVertexWithUV((double)this.width, (double)this.height, 0.0D, (double)((float)this.width / var3), (double)((float)this.height / var3 + (float)par1)); var2.addVertexWithUV((double)this.width, 0.0D, 0.0D, (double)((float)this.width / var3), (double)par1); var2.addVertexWithUV(0.0D, 0.0D, 0.0D, 0.0D, (double)par1); var2.draw(); }That's literally it, it just tiles a single texture across the screen (the texture itself is 16x16 and drawn at twice the resolution, wrapping around however many times necessary to fill the drawn area). Even a single item is likely much more expensive to render, much less the entire panorama, which actually has had reported performance issues in the past, especially when Mojang greatly increased the resolution in 1.13 (note that they say going into a menu dropped GPU usage from 60% to just 3%). Even the older one had been reported to cause issues (the dirt background had been used for the main menu prior to Beta 1.8):
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Why do I still play in 1.6.4?
nostalgia does not matter kid LOL face reality, stop being stuck in the past 🤣😂
Why the heck are you laughing, that's not funny
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thats not funny? whats not funny that these "nostalgic players" keep acting like they are some superior shits just because I only played minecraft for 3 years. I literally am better at the game then them lol
You're not helping this topic
Also, look at this:
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It is starting to change. Alot of updates bring more stuff to minecraft and sometimes minecraft adds stuff. Sometimes it makes it change the game. Example: Minecraft changed the logo screen of minecraft which was blurry but now clearer. Its changing the game because of these updates. It really means that it is elvolving. If Notch had enough money to still own minecraft, then a little detail might be added. Besides, We have mob votes because of Notch's dissapearence. We have updates that sometimes suck because Notch doesn't own minecraft anymore. Sorry for the long post, but thats about wraps it up today.
By the way, the dirt menu background has been moved to the programmer art resource pack, and yes, the new transparency menu also will have an option for the amount of blur.
I don't think branding should be changed without thought. You lose marketability when you lose recognizability. First the creeper face in the name logo, then the dirt wall for worlds, what else?
Yeah, it's the same game, but it's going to need to adjust to its new look in the eyes of the world.
I don't think changing a menu background is losing much branding recognition.
I didn't even (consciously) notice the creeper face wasn't in the name logo anymore, so I'm not sure that's a major brand recognition loss either.
That's because the face is still there, not sure what they're on about.
More on topic, I will say I'm gonna miss the dirt background. I feel like it's one of the few remaining parts of the game that's still grounded in that imperfect indie game aesthetic it used to have. Not surprised by the change though, or too bothered by it (love resource packs 🙏)
I heard it was being removed or altered in some way, it does look less striking now.