Yes Mojang have given that title to this forum, but this Forum is run and controlled by Curse and Curse alone, Mojang have no direct control over this forum
Citricsquid started this forum (and wiki) himself back in time and it was the most popular of all the minecraft related forums out there, it grew massive and Mojang noticed and gave it the unofficial title of Official Forum, then Curse came along and bought the Forums (and Wiki) and Mojang just kept the unofficial name.
Mojang could make thier own forum and demand this one stops looking official if they wanted to, but they wouldn't as this community forum is just fine as it is and an Official Mojang forum would be pointless now.
The forum decides what servers are/are not allowed to advertise here, doesn't matter what Mojangs EULA is, we also ban the discussion of console modding here, we don't have to, but do so because it breaches the consoles T&C's and it keeps all in a safe place.
Same as we ban cracked clients/servers, we don't have to but we do
So... I am guessing that the forum decided to allow pay2win servers to advertise here?
The short version about EULA enforcement is, "We cannot reasonably enforce it."
The longer version: Enforcing the EULA is, ultimately, Mojang's prerogative. It is their intellectual property to do what they like with, and part of that is deciding when, or if, they will enforce it. If you would like to report servers in violation, I would encourage you to drop a line here, and Mojang will address it as they will.
We are, above all else, a forum. By nature, forums encourage community discussion and interaction, and part of that is discussion about servers. Everyone can have their say about servers here, and that is fine to discuss, within reason (obvious exceptions exist, with name-calling, flaming, etc).
This thread still exists for the same reason threads about servers elsewhere still exist: it is open discussion, and we're all about that. However, what we cannot reasonably do is carry our rules outside of the forum itself, since it lies out of our control. What a server actually does, in practice, is not for us to decide. Again, if you feel you have found a server that breaks Mojang's rules, please report it here.
But still, Mojang doesn't do anything to shut down these servers. I would expect that a community with most of the players supporting the EULA, to ban servers that violate the EULA from advertising. And the Minecraft Forums is one of those big communities.
So... I am guessing that the forum decided to allow pay2win servers to advertise here?
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Your question should already be answered in my previous post. In short, we cannot reasonably determine, nor realistically enforce, the EULA outside of the forum itself. Our only jurisdiction is the forum, and it is where we keep our focus. Whether an advertising server is or isn't in violation isn't for us to decide, but for Mojang. If you feel a server in particular violates the EULA, you can (and should) report it to Mojang directly, and allow them to handle it.
But still, Mojang doesn't do anything to shut down these servers. I would expect that a community with most of the players supporting the EULA, to ban servers that violate the EULA from advertising. And the Minecraft Forums is one of those big communities.
That's the thing: the EULA is Mojang's prerogative to enforce, or not enforce, as they see fit. If we're speaking from a purely legal perspective, only they can do that. Our forum does not, and cannot, enforce that. Similarly, vigilante activities (blacklisting, call-outs, etc) are, regardless of the target, in violation of forum policy.
As a community we can decide to support the servers or support the EULA, we can stop going to the server who break it and report them, while going to the servers that do follow the EULA, servers break the EULA because people goto them and spend their money there
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Hi Sacheverell and webrosc! I understand what you are both saying, This forum is not tied to Mojang and therefore can't do much about servers.
I'm not sure why people keep denying this and saying the forums mods/admins are just letting the servers on for money. I know you mods/admins would never want or do such a thing. I'll try using the wepsite Sacheverell linked. This thread was made to gather awareness of the problem, and maybe get Mojang doing something, because it is a problem. I'm not sure if it's illegal to be breaking the EULA or not, but i'm assuming it is. (Please correct me if i'm wrong.) Thank you for all the support!
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EDIT: Sacheverell's link sends me to a Mojang website, and under current topics, There is how to report servers. The link there sends you to the report website, where a lot of people have been saying that it doesn't work. This is also the report system that i'm using to report servers. (I know the forum admins/mods cannot do anything about this, i'm just putting it out there.)
I'm not sure if it's illegal to be breaking the EULA or not, but i'm assuming it is.
It might be more accurate to say "Mojang has a right to decide how people use their intellectual property, and can sue and/or prosecute, at their discretion, if a person or group are not in line with their wishes." That is, it's ultimately up to them whether any legal action is taken.
It might be more accurate to say "Mojang has a right to decide how people use their intellectual property, and can sue and/or prosecute, at their discretion, if a person or group are not in line with their wishes." That is, it's ultimately up to them whether any legal action is taken.
Yeah, That makes more sense and really makes a point. I just think (Personally) that Mojang should enforce their EULA more. It is fine if anyone disagrees with me.
its not illegal to break an EULA (End User License Argreement) , you could be taken to court for breaking and EULA as you are breaking an agreement with the other party, like if i asked sach to do a voice over for me and we both sign a contract to agree the terms, if one of us breaks it the courts can help the wronged party.
For breaking an EULA to be illegal it would need to be made into an International Law and then the Police of whatever country your in would deal with you (I'm sure its alot more complex than that really)
Thanks, That clears things up.
Anyways, I'm in America, and it's time for me to go to bed. I'll be on tomorrow! Good night/your equivalent based upon your time zone.
All I'm saying is, servers should be able to make a return on their investment somehow. I know MC isn't a business. It can't be just a hobby though. It takes money to make things happen. Report trashy, P2W servers all you want. The real change will only come when people start leaving and start playing on servers that aren't about that.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I play an FPS called "Uberstrike" with my friends, and it's absolutely overflowing with p2w. It's still a fun game, but the p2w is everywhere. People are putting up with it for the sake of having a fun time with their friends. That's why these servers need to be reported.
But still, Mojang doesn't do anything to shut down these servers. I would expect that a community with most of the players supporting the EULA, to ban servers that violate the EULA from advertising. And the Minecraft Forums is one of those big communities.
Sach and I have both explained why the Forums can't do this. Read Sach's post, then read mine with Citric's quote.
It would be nice if they did, but there is one issue i can see with it.
you report server.com to mojang, who is the owner? where do they live? how does a C&D letter get sent to this person running this server?
Mojang need alot more than a server name/ip and getting all they need to take it to the point where they can get a lawyer involved could take months and alot of monies, its a lot more complex than most think
The report forum does make sure you put in a link to the place you can contact the server.
If it's allowed, then every server would do it. Hypixel, one of the top 2 servers right now used to be a P2W servers before the EULA stuff happened. If rules like that aren't stated, what server wouldn't want to sell crazy powerful ranks that make them more money?
People who didn't like this pay-to-win stuff would just make their own servers that would not be pay-to-win.
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i agree that P2W can be really frustrating, but I'll stop there I was reading this read and I found the comments echo many of my own. Though, I am glad that someone stepped in and clarified what was happening and why.
Though, I do wonder, if that this point since Microsoft now owns Minecraft and manages their technical support, is it Mojang who is the software developer and Microsoft who is the software support should it be Microsoft who researches and makes the decision if the EULA is being violated?
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This is gonna cause some people to get salty and all fussy like kids but...... If servers aren't allowed to do p2w.... Why are there servers that give ranks like mineplex and have not been shut down?
This is gonna cause some people to get salty and all fussy like kids but...... If servers aren't allowed to do p2w.... Why are there servers that give ranks like mineplex and have not been shut down?
Mineplex is compliant with the EULA. The ranks they give out do not give an unfair advantage over other players ingame.
i agree that P2W can be really frustrating, but I'll stop there I was reading this read and I found the comments echo many of my own. Though, I am glad that someone stepped in and clarified what was happening and why.
Though, I do wonder, if that this point since Microsoft now owns Minecraft and manages their technical support, is it Mojang who is the software developer and Microsoft who is the software support should it be Microsoft who researches and makes the decision if the EULA is being violated?
Just a thought.
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Microsoft bought Notch's shares of Mojang... which gives Microsoft a controlling interest in Mojang. Mojang, as a company, still exists and as long as it does, the EULA is a contract with Mojang, not Microsoft... so it's still basically up to Mojang to try to enforce that contract as they see fit. Microsoft can only try really to influence Mojang's executive via the company's Board of Directors. If not necessarily about making a decision if the EULA is being violated, but deciding whether or not it's worth their while to try to enforce the contract. It's a civil matter... not like something that's against the criminal code.
People who didn't like this pay-to-win stuff would just make their own servers that would not be pay-to-win.
Have you tried making a server? It's hard. You have to port-forward, and get people playing for others to have fun. I've tried many times, but it never get popular enough and therefor people go to play on servers that might offer P2W options.
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So... I am guessing that the forum decided to allow pay2win servers to advertise here?
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Your question should already be answered in my previous post. In short, we cannot reasonably determine, nor realistically enforce, the EULA outside of the forum itself. Our only jurisdiction is the forum, and it is where we keep our focus. Whether an advertising server is or isn't in violation isn't for us to decide, but for Mojang. If you feel a server in particular violates the EULA, you can (and should) report it to Mojang directly, and allow them to handle it.
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Retired StaffThat's the thing: the EULA is Mojang's prerogative to enforce, or not enforce, as they see fit. If we're speaking from a purely legal perspective, only they can do that. Our forum does not, and cannot, enforce that. Similarly, vigilante activities (blacklisting, call-outs, etc) are, regardless of the target, in violation of forum policy.
I find that many servers break the EULA, but no one is stopping and possibly is encouraging this!
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Curse PremiumHi Sacheverell and webrosc! I understand what you are both saying, This forum is not tied to Mojang and therefore can't do much about servers.
I'm not sure why people keep denying this and saying the forums mods/admins are just letting the servers on for money. I know you mods/admins would never want or do such a thing. I'll try using the wepsite Sacheverell linked. This thread was made to gather awareness of the problem, and maybe get Mojang doing something, because it is a problem. I'm not sure if it's illegal to be breaking the EULA or not, but i'm assuming it is. (Please correct me if i'm wrong.) Thank you for all the support!
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EDIT: Sacheverell's link sends me to a Mojang website, and under current topics, There is how to report servers. The link there sends you to the report website, where a lot of people have been saying that it doesn't work. This is also the report system that i'm using to report servers. (I know the forum admins/mods cannot do anything about this, i'm just putting it out there.)
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Retired StaffIt might be more accurate to say "Mojang has a right to decide how people use their intellectual property, and can sue and/or prosecute, at their discretion, if a person or group are not in line with their wishes." That is, it's ultimately up to them whether any legal action is taken.
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Curse PremiumYeah, That makes more sense and really makes a point. I just think (Personally) that Mojang should enforce their EULA more. It is fine if anyone disagrees with me.
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Curse PremiumThanks, That clears things up.
Anyways, I'm in America, and it's time for me to go to bed. I'll be on tomorrow! Good night/your equivalent based upon your time zone.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. I play an FPS called "Uberstrike" with my friends, and it's absolutely overflowing with p2w. It's still a fun game, but the p2w is everywhere. People are putting up with it for the sake of having a fun time with their friends. That's why these servers need to be reported.
Sach and I have both explained why the Forums can't do this. Read Sach's post, then read mine with Citric's quote.
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Curse PremiumThe report forum does make sure you put in a link to the place you can contact the server.
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People who didn't like this pay-to-win stuff would just make their own servers that would not be pay-to-win.
Hello there....
i agree that P2W can be really frustrating, but I'll stop there
I was reading this read and I found the comments echo many of my own. Though, I am glad that someone stepped in and clarified what was happening and why.
Though, I do wonder, if that this point since Microsoft now owns Minecraft and manages their technical support, is it Mojang who is the software developer and Microsoft who is the software support should it be Microsoft who researches and makes the decision if the EULA is being violated?
Just a thought.
~Ver
This is gonna cause some people to get salty and all fussy like kids but...... If servers aren't allowed to do p2w.... Why are there servers that give ranks like mineplex and have not been shut down?
Mineplex is compliant with the EULA. The ranks they give out do not give an unfair advantage over other players ingame.
Microsoft bought Notch's shares of Mojang... which gives Microsoft a controlling interest in Mojang. Mojang, as a company, still exists and as long as it does, the EULA is a contract with Mojang, not Microsoft... so it's still basically up to Mojang to try to enforce that contract as they see fit. Microsoft can only try really to influence Mojang's executive via the company's Board of Directors. If not necessarily about making a decision if the EULA is being violated, but deciding whether or not it's worth their while to try to enforce the contract. It's a civil matter... not like something that's against the criminal code.
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Curse PremiumHave you tried making a server? It's hard. You have to port-forward, and get people playing for others to have fun. I've tried many times, but it never get popular enough and therefor people go to play on servers that might offer P2W options.
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