I stole a Ferrari because I couldn't afford it. Don't get me wrong, if I had money, I would have actually paid for it. Besides, Ferrari makes millions of dollars in selling their cars a year, it won't bother them if one little car went missing.
That makes it okay for me to steal right?
Now that I think about it, stealing is just an artificial social construct programmed into our minds by our peers, I can take what I want, went I want to, from who I want to because I'm entitled to have everything I want. If you say I'm a thief, you're the real bad guy! Telling what to do and all.
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Well, just to say, I can see pirating, say Skyrim, or one of the yearly FPS's, because they cost like $60, and if you want to find out what they're like, or, in the case of CoD, would rather see the developer gone than supported, but with MC, well, the game is darn cheap, good, and the devs are worth supporting, although they hardly need further money, at this point.
1) "But many cracked player end up buying it so it's all good!
Mojang provides a free demo. I've played both the demo for PC and Xbox, and they were thorough enough for someone to decide whether they wanted to buy the game. If you want the full game, you ought to pay for it.
Moreover, research shows very consistantly that people who get pirated video games not only don't ever pay for that game, but they tend to not pay for ANY game. In ne really depressing article I read on this, one Czech indie game developer figured that over 75% of people who had played one of theirmost recent titles had never paid for it. How do you expect game developers to continue making and supporting games with that degree of piracy?
2) "Don't be mad at me--I'm po'"
Hey, I'm po' too. I've got bills and I have to care for other people on top of myself with my meager income. My laptop is ancient and my desktop can barely handle Minecraft, but I have no money to get a better gaming PC. Yet I've paid for MC--for the PC version, the Xbox version and the MCPE version. I pass on a lot of other games that interest me and nearly everything in my Steam library I got for under $5. Before downloadable indie games was such a big thing, I often wouldn't buy a PC version of a game I wanted unless it was $20 or less, which often meant i had to wait months or even years to get it. You can wait to get a game. You don't have to have that game right now. If you need it that badly, I'm sure you can find a way to pay for it. Moreover, you have a computer to run the game you're pirating, you ain't THAT po' and you ought to freaking pay for it.
3) "But, but, but!"
But whatever. Despite all my griping and sniping at Mojang, they do provide extraordinary, ongoing development and support for the people who play Minecraft and everyone who plays Minecraft benefits for their support at no extra charge. for all they do for the players, Mojang deserve to not be ripped off.
1) "But many cracked player end up buying it so it's all good!
Mojang provides a free demo. I've played both the demo for PC and Xbox, and they were thorough enough for someone to decide whether they wanted to buy the game. If you want the full game, you ought to pay for it.
Moreover, research shows very consistantly that people who get pirated video games not only don't ever pay for that game, but they tend to not pay for ANY game. In ne really depressing article I read on this, one Czech indie game developer figured that over 75% of people who had played one of theirmost recent titles had never paid for it. How do you expect game developers to continue making and supporting games with that degree of piracy?
2) "Don't be mad at me--I'm po'"
Hey, I'm po' too. I've got bills and I have to care for other people on top of myself with my meager income. My laptop is ancient and my desktop can barely handle Minecraft, but I have no money to get a better gaming PC. Yet I've paid for MC--for the PC version, the Xbox version and the MCPE version. I pass on a lot of other games that interest me and nearly everything in my Steam library I got for under $5. Before downloadable indie games was such a big thing, I often wouldn't buy a PC version of a game I wanted unless it was $20 or less, which often meant i had to wait months or even years to get it. You can wait to get a game. You don't have to have that game right now. If you need it that badly, I'm sure you can find a way to pay for it. Moreover, you have a computer to run the game you're pirating, you ain't THAT po' and you ought to freaking pay for it.
3) "But, but, but!"
But whatever. Despite all my griping and sniping at Mojang, they do provide extraordinary, ongoing development and support for the people who play Minecraft and everyone who plays Minecraft benefits for their support at no extra charge. for all they do for the players, Mojang deserve to not be ripped off.
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Yeah, it kinda is. Saying that is like saying - "If you're too poor to afford a car, than why not take it out for a 'test drive' until you have the money to pay for it? 'Test driving' it until you can work up the money for it really isn't that bad."
This implies piracy is stealing, which its not. Piracy is making a copy, not theft.
Piracy is not stealing. No physical copy of a disk was stolen, it was merely a non physical copy of the game. There is no theft. I swear most of the kids replaying to this subject dont even know what piracy is.
>That, my friend, is why there is a such thing as REVIEWS. Ever heard of IGN? Metacritic? Gamespot? No? Well go watch their reviews.
Most of those so called review sites kill off good games for little to no reason, and get paid off to write good reviews for bad games with big budgets. No thanks.
>a "can I run it" system that will tell you if you can run it at an acceptable framerate.
I have tired these sites in the past, some say I can run games I clearly can not run, while others say I cant run certain games when I can. Its a plot luck, and they are never 100% sure so they are not to be trusted. Only true way to test it is to run the game on your pc.
>to steal to see how a game
Again piracy is not theft, no property is being taken away. Piracy is making copies of an object which has no physical makeup. You can not argue my point if you are going to misrepresent the word piracy under false pretenses.
>it never gave me the feeling that paying for games did. It made me feel like I didn't truly earn the game.
Your "feelings" are irrelevant , as there is no difference between a proper pirated copy and a paid for one.
>Piracy isn't something that a true gamer does.
There is no such thing as a "true gamer" a gamer is someone who plays video games, if they are free to play, handheld, console, pc, paid, rented borrowed or free. Saying "true gamer" is just trying to make yourself seem like a special, beautiful, and unique snowflake. While in reality you're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. Lastly anyone can pick up a game and call themselves a true gamer, it doesn't mean jack crap nor is there any guide lines to being one that means anything. Its just a thrown together word to try to make inner groups of people who play video games which has no meaning other then trying to feel special.
This implies piracy is stealing, which its not. Piracy is making a copy, not theft.
Piracy is not stealing. No physical copy of a disk was stolen, it was merely a non physical copy of the game. There is no theft. I swear most of the kids replaying to this subject dont even know what piracy is.
>That, my friend, is why there is a such thing as REVIEWS. Ever heard of IGN? Metacritic? Gamespot? No? Well go watch their reviews.
Most of those so called review sites kill off good games for little to no reason, and get paid off to write good reviews for bad games with big budgets. No thanks.
>a "can I run it" system that will tell you if you can run it at an acceptable framerate.
I have tired these sites in the past, some say I can run games I clearly can not run, while others say I cant run certain games when I can. Its a plot luck, and they are never 100% sure so they are not to be trusted. Only true way to test it is to run the game on your pc.
>to steal to see how a game
Again piracy is not theft, no property is being taken away. Piracy is making copies of an object which has no physical makeup. You can not argue my point if you are going to misrepresent the word piracy under false pretenses.
>it never gave me the feeling that paying for games did. It made me feel like I didn't truly earn the game.
Your "feelings" are irrelevant , as there is no difference between a proper pirated copy and a paid for one.
>Piracy isn't something that a true gamer does.
There is no such thing as a "true gamer" a gamer is someone who plays video games, if they are free to play, handheld, console, pc, paid, rented borrowed or free. Saying "true gamer" is just trying to make yourself seem like a special, beautiful, and unique snowflake. While in reality you're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. Lastly anyone can pick up a game and call themselves a true gamer, it doesn't mean jack crap nor is there any guide lines to being one that means anything. Its just a thrown together word to try to make inner groups of people who play video games which has no meaning other then trying to feel special.
Your picture is is not assisting your case at all. It claims that piracy is not stealing. Though that may be correct by definition, it is still very much illegal and an immoral thing to do. Is duplicating money illegal? Why yes, yes it is. Is it removing the original product? No, no it isn't.
Reviewers don't "kill off good games for little or no reason". These reviewers, I can guarantee, have played and have MUCH more knowledge on the ideal gaming format than you ever will. Like any other judge, they know what the resulting product is supposed to be like, based on truly revolutionary and shaping titles. I have not yet seen one reviewer that has given an unfair score to a deserving game. But that is irrelevant to the topic that is being discussed. We are discussing the standpoints of piracy, not reviewing companies.
Your "can I run it" argument is incorrect as well. Most benchmarking softwares and "can I run it" sites are based off of the results from the user's builds. There is no biased fps predictions. Game-debate.com provides system requirements based off of knowledge that is gained by user submissions. These user submissions must have their computer reviewed and approved, with a complete benchmarking score before acceptance. Once those tasks have been completed, the build is accepted, and the user is trusted to give an fps result. Any "off" or wildly exaggerated fps results are moderated by the administrators and moderators, and can be removed easily. Benchmarking softwares put stress on your hardware, to decipher a score. This score can then be used to determine whether you can run certain games or not.
Piracy IS theft. The following are synonyms of piracy, based off an official source - Copying, plagiarism, hijacking, theft, infringing, stealing. Say what you want buddy, but an official synonym for piracy is stealing.
Perhaps the only valid argument in your rant is the true gamer part.
it's one of those topics like the new EULA, it's touchy and can provoke A LOT of heated discussion around it. it's a good topic, don't get me wrong, but this is quite the passionate community and if most people feel that something needs to be said about such a topic then it sparks a BIG discussion.
i'm not saying it's good or bad, but the community at least gets quite involved which is nice to see.
I'm a cracked user myself , but If I COULD pay online I WOULD , and there are no minecraft gift cards etc in my country , I'm against people able to buy it but cracking , but i'm not against ones cracking it because they are not able to pay , like me .
I'm wondering, would you walk into a supermarket, steal a flat screen TV and walk out? When you get caught, when you produce your can't pay for it excuse, who's going to let you go? No one. So just stop cracking guys. Because there really isn't an excuse for doing it, as cracking is the exact same as shoplifting, except on the Internet.
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Your picture is is not assisting your case at all. It claims that piracy is not stealing. Though that may be correct by definition, it is still very much illegal and an immoral thing to do. Is duplicating money illegal? Why yes, yes it is. Is it removing the original product? No, no it isn't.
Piracy is copying things with no physical makeup, so no it is not like copying money, as money are physical things. The image I used is just for people who are all TL;DR, but it still puts out the point that piracy is not theft. Piracy is making a copy of a nonphysical object, it has nothing to do with "making copies of physical objects like physical paper money/coins" or "shoplifting a tv from a store"
Also Morality has nothing to do with the subject, so saying its "immoral thing to do" is irrelevant, as each person has there own definition on what is or isn't moral. So this is a pointless thing to say.
>These reviewers,
Have been paid off in a lot of scandals, even some review things are just designed bad. Like for example, they have 20 reviewers, however the word of 1 reviewer is worth more points in the over all rating of the game because they have made more reviews than the others, and this reviewer's opinion about a game type they dont like takes over 99% of the reviewer's score for that site. So yes reviews have done bad for good games, and there is ways reviewers paid off to write good reviews for crap games.
>can I run it sites
I refer you to my other post where I said it was a pot luck due to these sites thinking a crap laptop that overheats running TF2 can run skyrim on full max. They are not to be trusted, sometimes they are right, other times they are wrong, its just pot luck as ive said before.
>Piracy IS theft
Theft is the taking of another person's propertywithout that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it. The word is also used as an informal shorthand term for some crimes against property, such as burglary, stealing, embezzlement, larceny, looting, robbery, and shoplifting.
Stealing is the illegal act of taking another person's property without that person's freely-given consent.
Piracy is making an unauthorized copy or reproduction of an nonphysical thing, such as software.
In copyright law, piracy does not refer to theft of physical objects that take away the owner's possession, but an instance where a person exercises one of the exclusive rights of the copyright holder without authorization.
Well it seems you have missed the entire point, and know nothing about what piracy is, if you keep saying its "theft/stealing" which its clearly not. Piracy does not deprive the owner of the item. By the way, these are definitions currently used when referring to laws on the subject.
>based off an official source
That website is not an "official source" and can be edited by just about anyone. However what I have quoted is used in law in account to way theft is, and as you can clearly see Theft is not internet Piracy. By the way, your quote mixed internet piracy with actual Pirates on the sea.
There is a difference between the two. Pirates sail on ships, and engage in the practice of attacking and robbing other ships at sea. While Internet piracy does none of that, as stated by current law as I quoted above.
Now if you continue to make wild claims on subjects you clearly have no understanding of, I will not waste any more of my time to respond to your posts as you clearly have no idea what piracy even means.
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Well, it kinda depends on the situation, in the country where i live, it's kinda hard to buy Minecraft (No gift cards, and i don't have a credit card yet), nobody have minecraft (if they did they don't want to lend me lel) also i don't even have my own pc to play with, i use my sister's, i did watch a LOT of YT videos and that just make me want to have it even more. So i am forced to play the cracked version for a few months (because i am curious about this game so much) then i had someone to buy it for me (using my money), I always wanted to support the devs by buying it and i did. I'm sorry for cracking the game, especially to you guys who despise cracked users so much but i'm too curious about minecraft.
> "If you stole an *Item* from the store and you walk out will you just say you're gonna buy it when you have the money for it?"
Well, the difference between a shopkeeper and Notch is that notch actually let you try cracked minecraft as long as you buy it, and i don't see mojang hating on cracked user if they want to buy it, they haven't done anything to those sites who give you cracked MC. If a shopkeeper let you keep an Item and let you pay for it later, i would accept it and pay it immediately
Oh and i also had a friend, also a cracked user, and also lives in the country where i live. The difference is that he thinks " If you can get it for free why pay? i have some other business " and i think people like him is what makes almost everyone hates cracked user
Again, i'm sorry for cracking the game. Thank you for your attention.
Piracy is copying things with no physical makeup, so no it is not like copying money, as money are physical things. The image I used is just for people who are all TL;DR, but it still puts out the point that piracy is not theft. Piracy is making a copy of a nonphysical object, it has nothing to do with "making copies of physical objects like physical paper money/coins" or "shoplifting a tv from a store"
Also Morality has nothing to do with the subject, so saying its "immoral thing to do" is irrelevant, as each person has there own definition on what is or isn't moral. So this is a pointless thing to say.
>These reviewers,
Have been paid off in a lot of scandals, even some review things are just designed bad. Like for example, they have 20 reviewers, however the word of 1 reviewer is worth more points in the over all rating of the game because they have made more reviews than the others, and this reviewer's opinion about a game type they dont like takes over 99% of the reviewer's score for that site. So yes reviews have done bad for good games, and there is ways reviewers paid off to write good reviews for crap games.
>can I run it sites
I refer you to my other post where I said it was a pot luck due to these sites thinking a crap laptop that overheats running TF2 can run skyrim on full max. They are not to be trusted, sometimes they are right, other times they are wrong, its just pot luck as ive said before.
>Piracy IS theft
Theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it. The word is also used as an informal shorthand term for some crimes against property, such as burglary, stealing, embezzlement, larceny, looting, robbery, and shoplifting.
Stealing is the illegal act of taking another person's property without that person's freely-given consent.
Piracy is making an unauthorized copy or reproduction of an nonphysical thing, such as software.
In copyright law, piracy does not refer to theft of physical objects that take away the owner's possession, but an instance where a person exercises one of the exclusive rights of the copyright holder without authorization.
Well it seems you have missed the entire point, and know nothing about what piracy is, if you keep saying its "theft/stealing" which its clearly not. By the way, these are definitions currently used when referring to laws on the subject.
>based off an official source
That website is not an "official source" and can be edited by just about anyone. However what I have quoted is used in law in account to way theft is, and as you can clearly see Theft is not internet Piracy. By the way, your quote mixed internet piracy with actual Pirates on the sea.
There is a difference between the two. Pirates sail on ships, and engage in the practice of attacking and robbing other ships at sea. While Internet piracy does none of that, as stated by current law as I quoted above.
Now if you continue to make wild claims on subjects you clearly have no understanding of, I will not waste any more of my time to respond to your posts as you clearly have no idea what piracy even means.
This really saddens me. What the world has come to.
You keep dissing the subject of morality and feelings, though the original title of the topic is called "how do you feel about cracked users". It's not "Conker knows whats right about cracked users, so listen to him and no one else. Your feelings are irrelevant"
"Piracy is making an unauthorized copy or reproduction of an nonphysical thing, such as software." You forgot the last part. The full definition should be "Piracy is making an unauthorized copy or reproduction of an nonphysical thing, such as software, without the creator's freely given consent."
You have dissed game-debate, but you still haven't come up with a lousy excuse to not use a benchmarking software yet. Benchmarking softwares often times are mathematically based scores. There's no reason why they wouldn't work.
As many have stated before, Minecraft is 25 bucks. That's dirt cheap. Mojang is constantly updating it and supporting the community as well. If you cannot pay the measly 25 dollars to pay for a game that is going to last you years, than you don't deserve to play it in the first place. Other games are irrelevant to the subject.
Does nobody here but Conker realize that piracy isn't the same as theft? It's actually quite scary, considering the fact that we're pretty much in the digital age as it is. A better comparison would be something like what hotlinking was a few years back, without providing credit. You'd take an image somebody worked hard on to create and upload onto their site and post it on to yours without credit or consent/knowledge to the original creator. That's pretty much what cracked Minecraft is. Except in this case Mojang staff have mentioned that they're fine with cracked users, just that they do not attempt to make money using cracked clients or accounts, and to buy the full version when they get the money (which, in all honesty, makes Mojang one of the coolest companies ever).
If you really must argue about cracked users at least get your facts straight. It's not stealing, it's piracy, and piracy is completely different. Yes, we know it's against the EULA, but Mojang have said they're fine with cracked users. If you ask me, if it doesn't hurt me or the ones I care about, it's OK. But if it's such a huge issue with the community then Mojang should at least give their point of view on the case.
I'm sincerely hoping that it's not just the vocal minority hanging in this topic...
One thing I can say is using a cracked copy is too much work as you don't get access to some of the new material. I bought a copy for that reason, and it's like 30 bucks is gonna make go into life-savings mode. As a matter of fact, since I bought it I've become way more active in it. So you're definitely getting your money's worth with mods and support.
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the original title of the topic is called "how do you feel about cracked users".
The title should have been "What is your opinion on cracked users", as that makes the most sense. However your feelings are still irrelevant when it comes to piracy, and the current law of what theft is.
>"Piracy is making an unauthorized copy or reproduction of an nonphysical thing, such as software." You forgot the last part. without the creator's freely given consent."
I didnt forget anything, it was explained under what I quoted of copyright law. If you tried reading it without skipping over the details, you would know piracy falls under copyright law, which is why I didnt want to mention the same thing twice. Saying "without the creator's freely given consent" does not make it theft when its not a physical item, no one is taking said item away, its just a copy. Also by what quoted, you just agreed that piracy is not theft. So why are you still replying again on a subject you know nothing about? Just stop, its a waste of everyones time.
>you still haven't come up with a lousy excuse to not use a benchmarking software yet. Benchmarking softwares often times are mathematically based scores. There's no reason why they wouldn't work.
I already did, you just didnt read my post fully and skimmed over the details to things you think you can debate, I explained a few times now, try reading my post before replying so I dont have to repeat that the sites are a pot luck and sometimes don't work.Ive tried a few sites, some say I can run the same game, others say other wise. Its pot luck as ive said and they are not always right.
>If you cannot pay the measly 25 dollars to pay for a game that is going to last you years, than you don't deserve to play it in the first place.
I disagree, some people can not afford games due to low paying jobs and bills eating up all there money leaving them with nothing left. Why should they be deprived of a movie or a game when they could never afford them to begin with?Life is short enough as it is, and for people who could never afford to spend or even have extra money Piracy is the only way for them to enjoy themselves. Besides, when they can get the money they can always buy the game, so there is no harm done. You also cant bring up the "potential sales" argument when there is no money to begin with, besides if anyone buys the game after pirating it its a bonus to begin with. Piracy has its reasons, and isnt a "bad or an unmoral thing" morality and feelings have nothing to do with the subject. Its all merely opinion.
>Other games are irrelevant to the subject.
The current subject is video game piracy, so no other games are not irrelevant to the subject. I am starting to think you dont know what the word "irrelevant" even means at this point. I already know you dont know what piracy means at this point, so you should probably not keep posting on subjects you clearly have no grasp on. So in closing, if you dont like piracy, dont do it go ahead spend money and buy a game because you can and have the money to spend. Just hope its a game you would really like or its wasted money, but hey you got a lot of income and extra money to burn and flush down the crapper so go ahead enjoy yourself.
However know these few things, its not even in the small ballpark as theft, there is nothing being taken away from anyone, there is not one less of something from it, and there are good reasons behind it. Lastly for us who have a limited income, (a word I know you are not used to with your parents credit card or decent paying job without bills to pay), most of us dont have that extra money to just spend willy nilly on thigns we either can never afford or on games that we dont even know that will work with our computer or if its even a decent game to spend money on to begin with.
There are good reasons for piracy as I have said before, and if you dont like it thats fine and dandy, dont do it, but dont get on the people who do to it, as people can buy the game afterwords if they have the money, and if not they are poor, so what? Let them enjoy the comfort you can enjoy every day. Life is short enough as it is, let people enjoy it in their own way.
That makes it okay for me to steal right?
Now that I think about it, stealing is just an artificial social construct programmed into our minds by our peers, I can take what I want, went I want to, from who I want to because I'm entitled to have everything I want. If you say I'm a thief, you're the real bad guy! Telling what to do and all.
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1) "But many cracked player end up buying it so it's all good!
Mojang provides a free demo. I've played both the demo for PC and Xbox, and they were thorough enough for someone to decide whether they wanted to buy the game. If you want the full game, you ought to pay for it.
Moreover, research shows very consistantly that people who get pirated video games not only don't ever pay for that game, but they tend to not pay for ANY game. In ne really depressing article I read on this, one Czech indie game developer figured that over 75% of people who had played one of theirmost recent titles had never paid for it. How do you expect game developers to continue making and supporting games with that degree of piracy?
2) "Don't be mad at me--I'm po'"
Hey, I'm po' too. I've got bills and I have to care for other people on top of myself with my meager income. My laptop is ancient and my desktop can barely handle Minecraft, but I have no money to get a better gaming PC. Yet I've paid for MC--for the PC version, the Xbox version and the MCPE version. I pass on a lot of other games that interest me and nearly everything in my Steam library I got for under $5. Before downloadable indie games was such a big thing, I often wouldn't buy a PC version of a game I wanted unless it was $20 or less, which often meant i had to wait months or even years to get it. You can wait to get a game. You don't have to have that game right now. If you need it that badly, I'm sure you can find a way to pay for it. Moreover, you have a computer to run the game you're pirating, you ain't THAT po' and you ought to freaking pay for it.
3) "But, but, but!"
But whatever. Despite all my griping and sniping at Mojang, they do provide extraordinary, ongoing development and support for the people who play Minecraft and everyone who plays Minecraft benefits for their support at no extra charge. for all they do for the players, Mojang deserve to not be ripped off.
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Great Speech, Bravo!
This implies piracy is stealing, which its not. Piracy is making a copy, not theft.
Piracy is not stealing. No physical copy of a disk was stolen, it was merely a non physical copy of the game. There is no theft. I swear most of the kids replaying to this subject dont even know what piracy is.
>That, my friend, is why there is a such thing as REVIEWS. Ever heard of IGN? Metacritic? Gamespot? No? Well go watch their reviews.
Most of those so called review sites kill off good games for little to no reason, and get paid off to write good reviews for bad games with big budgets. No thanks.
>a "can I run it" system that will tell you if you can run it at an acceptable framerate.
I have tired these sites in the past, some say I can run games I clearly can not run, while others say I cant run certain games when I can. Its a plot luck, and they are never 100% sure so they are not to be trusted. Only true way to test it is to run the game on your pc.
>to steal to see how a game
Again piracy is not theft, no property is being taken away. Piracy is making copies of an object which has no physical makeup. You can not argue my point if you are going to misrepresent the word piracy under false pretenses.
>it never gave me the feeling that paying for games did. It made me feel like I didn't truly earn the game.
Your "feelings" are irrelevant , as there is no difference between a proper pirated copy and a paid for one.
>Piracy isn't something that a true gamer does.
There is no such thing as a "true gamer" a gamer is someone who plays video games, if they are free to play, handheld, console, pc, paid, rented borrowed or free. Saying "true gamer" is just trying to make yourself seem like a special, beautiful, and unique snowflake. While in reality you're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. Lastly anyone can pick up a game and call themselves a true gamer, it doesn't mean jack crap nor is there any guide lines to being one that means anything. Its just a thrown together word to try to make inner groups of people who play video games which has no meaning other then trying to feel special.
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Curse PremiumWell said! I could not have put it any better myself.
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Your picture is is not assisting your case at all. It claims that piracy is not stealing. Though that may be correct by definition, it is still very much illegal and an immoral thing to do. Is duplicating money illegal? Why yes, yes it is. Is it removing the original product? No, no it isn't.
Reviewers don't "kill off good games for little or no reason". These reviewers, I can guarantee, have played and have MUCH more knowledge on the ideal gaming format than you ever will. Like any other judge, they know what the resulting product is supposed to be like, based on truly revolutionary and shaping titles. I have not yet seen one reviewer that has given an unfair score to a deserving game. But that is irrelevant to the topic that is being discussed. We are discussing the standpoints of piracy, not reviewing companies.
Your "can I run it" argument is incorrect as well. Most benchmarking softwares and "can I run it" sites are based off of the results from the user's builds. There is no biased fps predictions. Game-debate.com provides system requirements based off of knowledge that is gained by user submissions. These user submissions must have their computer reviewed and approved, with a complete benchmarking score before acceptance. Once those tasks have been completed, the build is accepted, and the user is trusted to give an fps result. Any "off" or wildly exaggerated fps results are moderated by the administrators and moderators, and can be removed easily. Benchmarking softwares put stress on your hardware, to decipher a score. This score can then be used to determine whether you can run certain games or not.
Piracy IS theft. The following are synonyms of piracy, based off an official source - Copying, plagiarism, hijacking, theft, infringing, stealing. Say what you want buddy, but an official synonym for piracy is stealing.
Perhaps the only valid argument in your rant is the true gamer part.
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I'm wondering, would you walk into a supermarket, steal a flat screen TV and walk out? When you get caught, when you produce your can't pay for it excuse, who's going to let you go? No one. So just stop cracking guys. Because there really isn't an excuse for doing it, as cracking is the exact same as shoplifting, except on the Internet.
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BudderGold Miner: Sky Army Stuck At Home: It's a nightmare Redstone Miner: Electrician. Diamond Miner: I'm rich! Lapis Lazuli Collector: Enchanting Time!Piracy is copying things with no physical makeup, so no it is not like copying money, as money are physical things. The image I used is just for people who are all TL;DR, but it still puts out the point that piracy is not theft. Piracy is making a copy of a nonphysical object, it has nothing to do with "making copies of physical objects like physical paper money/coins" or "shoplifting a tv from a store"
Also Morality has nothing to do with the subject, so saying its "immoral thing to do" is irrelevant, as each person has there own definition on what is or isn't moral. So this is a pointless thing to say.
>These reviewers,
Have been paid off in a lot of scandals, even some review things are just designed bad. Like for example, they have 20 reviewers, however the word of 1 reviewer is worth more points in the over all rating of the game because they have made more reviews than the others, and this reviewer's opinion about a game type they dont like takes over 99% of the reviewer's score for that site. So yes reviews have done bad for good games, and there is ways reviewers paid off to write good reviews for crap games.
>can I run it sites
I refer you to my other post where I said it was a pot luck due to these sites thinking a crap laptop that overheats running TF2 can run skyrim on full max. They are not to be trusted, sometimes they are right, other times they are wrong, its just pot luck as ive said before.
>Piracy IS theft
Theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it. The word is also used as an informal shorthand term for some crimes against property, such as burglary, stealing, embezzlement, larceny, looting, robbery, and shoplifting.
Stealing is the illegal act of taking another person's property without that person's freely-given consent.
Piracy is making an unauthorized copy or reproduction of an nonphysical thing, such as software.
In copyright law, piracy does not refer to theft of physical objects that take away the owner's possession, but an instance where a person exercises one of the exclusive rights of the copyright holder without authorization.
Well it seems you have missed the entire point, and know nothing about what piracy is, if you keep saying its "theft/stealing" which its clearly not. Piracy does not deprive the owner of the item. By the way, these are definitions currently used when referring to laws on the subject.
>based off an official source
That website is not an "official source" and can be edited by just about anyone. However what I have quoted is used in law in account to way theft is, and as you can clearly see Theft is not internet Piracy. By the way, your quote mixed internet piracy with actual Pirates on the sea.
There is a difference between the two. Pirates sail on ships, and engage in the practice of attacking and robbing other ships at sea. While Internet piracy does none of that, as stated by current law as I quoted above.
Now if you continue to make wild claims on subjects you clearly have no understanding of, I will not waste any more of my time to respond to your posts as you clearly have no idea what piracy even means.
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> "If you stole an *Item* from the store and you walk out will you just say you're gonna buy it when you have the money for it?"
Well, the difference between a shopkeeper and Notch is that notch actually let you try cracked minecraft as long as you buy it, and i don't see mojang hating on cracked user if they want to buy it, they haven't done anything to those sites who give you cracked MC. If a shopkeeper let you keep an Item and let you pay for it later, i would accept it and pay it immediately
Oh and i also had a friend, also a cracked user, and also lives in the country where i live. The difference is that he thinks " If you can get it for free why pay? i have some other business " and i think people like him is what makes almost everyone hates cracked user
Again, i'm sorry for cracking the game. Thank you for your attention.
This really saddens me. What the world has come to.
You keep dissing the subject of morality and feelings, though the original title of the topic is called "how do you feel about cracked users". It's not "Conker knows whats right about cracked users, so listen to him and no one else. Your feelings are irrelevant"
"Piracy is making an unauthorized copy or reproduction of an nonphysical thing, such as software." You forgot the last part. The full definition should be "Piracy is making an unauthorized copy or reproduction of an nonphysical thing, such as software, without the creator's freely given consent."
You have dissed game-debate, but you still haven't come up with a lousy excuse to not use a benchmarking software yet. Benchmarking softwares often times are mathematically based scores. There's no reason why they wouldn't work.
As many have stated before, Minecraft is 25 bucks. That's dirt cheap. Mojang is constantly updating it and supporting the community as well. If you cannot pay the measly 25 dollars to pay for a game that is going to last you years, than you don't deserve to play it in the first place. Other games are irrelevant to the subject.
If we got rid of money than there would be no order. Then everybody would be taking everything, and there wouldn't be anything left.
If you really must argue about cracked users at least get your facts straight. It's not stealing, it's piracy, and piracy is completely different. Yes, we know it's against the EULA, but Mojang have said they're fine with cracked users. If you ask me, if it doesn't hurt me or the ones I care about, it's OK. But if it's such a huge issue with the community then Mojang should at least give their point of view on the case.
I'm sincerely hoping that it's not just the vocal minority hanging in this topic...
One thing I can say is using a cracked copy is too much work as you don't get access to some of the new material. I bought a copy for that reason, and it's like 30 bucks is gonna make go into life-savings mode. As a matter of fact, since I bought it I've become way more active in it. So you're definitely getting your money's worth with mods and support.
"It's not enough you have the will to care. What are you going to do to show it?"
The title should have been "What is your opinion on cracked users", as that makes the most sense. However your feelings are still irrelevant when it comes to piracy, and the current law of what theft is.
>"Piracy is making an unauthorized copy or reproduction of an nonphysical thing, such as software." You forgot the last part. without the creator's freely given consent."
I didnt forget anything, it was explained under what I quoted of copyright law. If you tried reading it without skipping over the details, you would know piracy falls under copyright law, which is why I didnt want to mention the same thing twice. Saying "without the creator's freely given consent" does not make it theft when its not a physical item, no one is taking said item away, its just a copy. Also by what quoted, you just agreed that piracy is not theft. So why are you still replying again on a subject you know nothing about? Just stop, its a waste of everyones time.
>you still haven't come up with a lousy excuse to not use a benchmarking software yet. Benchmarking softwares often times are mathematically based scores. There's no reason why they wouldn't work.
I already did, you just didnt read my post fully and skimmed over the details to things you think you can debate, I explained a few times now, try reading my post before replying so I dont have to repeat that the sites are a pot luck and sometimes don't work.Ive tried a few sites, some say I can run the same game, others say other wise. Its pot luck as ive said and they are not always right.
>If you cannot pay the measly 25 dollars to pay for a game that is going to last you years, than you don't deserve to play it in the first place.
I disagree, some people can not afford games due to low paying jobs and bills eating up all there money leaving them with nothing left. Why should they be deprived of a movie or a game when they could never afford them to begin with?Life is short enough as it is, and for people who could never afford to spend or even have extra money Piracy is the only way for them to enjoy themselves. Besides, when they can get the money they can always buy the game, so there is no harm done. You also cant bring up the "potential sales" argument when there is no money to begin with, besides if anyone buys the game after pirating it its a bonus to begin with. Piracy has its reasons, and isnt a "bad or an unmoral thing" morality and feelings have nothing to do with the subject. Its all merely opinion.
>Other games are irrelevant to the subject.
The current subject is video game piracy, so no other games are not irrelevant to the subject. I am starting to think you dont know what the word "irrelevant" even means at this point. I already know you dont know what piracy means at this point, so you should probably not keep posting on subjects you clearly have no grasp on. So in closing, if you dont like piracy, dont do it go ahead spend money and buy a game because you can and have the money to spend. Just hope its a game you would really like or its wasted money, but hey you got a lot of income and extra money to burn and flush down the crapper so go ahead enjoy yourself.
However know these few things, its not even in the small ballpark as theft, there is nothing being taken away from anyone, there is not one less of something from it, and there are good reasons behind it. Lastly for us who have a limited income, (a word I know you are not used to with your parents credit card or decent paying job without bills to pay), most of us dont have that extra money to just spend willy nilly on thigns we either can never afford or on games that we dont even know that will work with our computer or if its even a decent game to spend money on to begin with.
There are good reasons for piracy as I have said before, and if you dont like it thats fine and dandy, dont do it, but dont get on the people who do to it, as people can buy the game afterwords if they have the money, and if not they are poor, so what? Let them enjoy the comfort you can enjoy every day. Life is short enough as it is, let people enjoy it in their own way.