If an EULA is violated, the violator's rights to use said software may be taken away immediately. They cannot, however, request that the server owner give the money back.
"Bah oh well they are from a socialist society so they dont see any problems with it." What does socialism have to do with donations? This sort of stuff happens on the left (and in rare cases, the right when necessary) side of mixed economies all the time.
Its socialist to expect everyone to support the community instead of paying their own way. I either pay to support the community as a whole, or pay nothing. I choose nothing. Ill pay to support my fair share as long as everyone else has to also pay the same amount. Im more then willing to purchase items for use ingame for me, but wont fund others items. Im willing to pay for my internet, not my neighborhood's internet so my wifi has a password on it. I will gladly purchase items that help me ingame, and as a side affect keep the server free to play.
Man we already pay for a isp. Some games you have to pay for a online pass,pay for add ons ect ect. We are about to loose net nutrallity due to comcast,netflix and others now asking us to pay for servers? Thats to much
Why dont they do what Roblox did. They give out one free server to each username, they could make it. They have the money. And actually they should
Sounds awesome! I'm sure the free server will be able to play FTB monster right? The idea of mojang giving me a server that would cost well over $100 a month to rent from a hosting service does not seem like a profitable solution for mojang.
I would rather pay 15 a month to mojang hosted servers as long as they had the type of minecraft I like. I find vanilla boring its all the new mod packs that keep it interesting for me. I like playing on high population servers, the bigger the better. I want to pay for my share, but i dont want to pay for yours, so it would have to be like any other MMO and have a monthly subscription. Im willing to pay, and mojang could be raking in an additional $180 a year out of all of us, imagine the pile of cash notch could sit on.
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Mojang should provide quality servers for a similar monthly subscription as wow, everyone pays and no one gets to freeload.
With the old system the people who paid got rewarded for doing so and everyone was able to play for free. With the new system I wont pay another penny, like everyone else.
No, I don't think that jail is a bit harsh, they owe tens if not hundreds of thounsands of dollars to the people who play these servers. I think these guys do deserve to rot and stink in jail (I am being deadly serious).
And have the country pay more per year to keep these guys in prison than the said guys ever earnt from MC! What a fabulous, naive idea.
I'm going with AntVenom on youtube about this. Really, alot of the server's I've been on have been in the past 2 years have been nothing but extreme prices to buy armor. Now, maybe 64 in-game gold ingots and 12 in-game diamonds for a enchanted diamond chestplate would be better then paying $1000 USD for it. I've steered away from kit's, unless they are free, so usually, on servers, most have to work to survive in a way that they can't get killed that easily by those who bought the fancy armor and weapons that are enchanted right off the bat. Mojang may be strict, but some of this had to be resolved. I do run my own Minecraft server on my own PC, but it's a free server, and always will be.
If people want to spend their money. Let them spend their money!
I agree with you to an extent.
Where I disagree is when people offer stuff to sale, so people can spend their money, but the stuff being offered to sale isn't theirs.
If server owners want to sell stuff, they should make their own game, and have their own rules, EULA. Then they can put a price tag on everything,and make the prices as high as they like.
The game isn't theirs, the items they sell isn't theirs. I don't understand why anyone thinks this is ok.
They should use all that energy making their own game, with their own rules instead.
Java to C++ isn't that hard. You just need to get your head around memory management.
well according to 4j studios it is,. their console ports of minecraft in c++ updates take FOREVER to release and are filled with more bugs than the pc version ever had game breaking bugs that is- ,..the last update neeeded 2 bug fixes to even make it playable
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Where I disagree is when people offer stuff to sale, so people can spend their money, but the stuff being offered to sale isn't theirs.
If server owners want to sell stuff, they should make their own game, and have their own rules, EULA. Then they can put a price tag on everything,and make the prices as high as they like.
The game isn't theirs, the items they sell isn't theirs. I don't understand why anyone thinks this is ok.
They should use all that energy making their own game, with their own rules instead.
I remember buying doom "wads" at computer shows. This type of thing has been done in the past. If you joined a competitive clan you had to pay $35 a month for the TS and game server costs, and we had 20 players on our team playing many other LPB teams when my ISDN was king of inet speed in the 90's.
Yep payed for maps that people made, and ID didn't get a penny.
Or how about "shareware" cd's? remember them? Paying 15-40 bucks for game demos on a cd. The company selling the cd didnt make the game, they just put them on a cd.
I remember buying doom "wads" at computer shows. This type of thing has been done in the past. If you joined a competitive clan you had to pay $35 a month for the TS and game server costs, and we had 20 players on our team playing many other LPB teams when my ISDN was king of inet speed in the 90's.
Yep payed for maps that people made, and ID didn't get a penny.
Or how about "shareware" cd's? remember them? Paying 15-40 bucks for game demos on a cd. The company selling the cd didnt make the game, they just put them on a cd.
If that is your argument on why servers should be able to sell pieces of the game, fair enough.
I personally find it irrelevant.
Nothing is stopping a server from accepting donations, or even charging an access fee. (Just in case you forgot).
I strongly disagree. I think this is the WORST thing ever to happen to Minecraft, including clay blocks. Most servers are going down, because people don't donate to servers without expecting something in return. As for cosmetic stuff, most people don't give a darn about that.
I only wonder.. Why? Why would Mojang make this negative move against the community? If you actually think they care about what is "fair" then you're kidding yourself. If you don't like what a server is doing in terms of selling stuff, don't play. Eventually, that server will survive or die by the will of the players.
Anyway, the server I play on is small scale enough that this won't affect me. The community is tight-knit enough that Mojang won't even notice.
One word: Realms
Read between the lines. They are not killing servers, but surely limiting their ability to make revenue (which translates into programming, new mini games, bandwidth) will make realms more desirable. If you can't beat your competition in a fair race, kick them in the kneecap before the race starts.
I don't really have any dog in the race. Either way works, but I do feel it will limit future features and also even if it is the correct thing to do, it seems like a bad PR move. Without the industry sprung up through servers/youtubers/modders I think minecraft would still be successful, but nowhere near as successful as it s today. I have personally got 6 people to buy minecraft for the multiplayer experiences on a few different servers.
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Read between the lines. They are not killing servers, but surely limiting their ability to make revenue (which translates into programming, new mini games, bandwidth) will make realms more desirable. If you can't beat your competition in a fair race, kick them in the kneecap before the race starts.
I don't really have any dog in the race. Either way works, but I do feel it will limit future features and also even if it is the correct thing to do, it seems like a bad PR move. Without the industry sprung up through servers/youtubers/modders I think minecraft would still be successful, but nowhere near as successful as it s today. I have personally got 6 people to buy minecraft for the multiplayer experiences on a few different servers.
I have asked this question many times and still never received a proper answer. How is Mojang trying to increase realms profits by ENFORCING their EULA.
All you said was that custom plugins, spawns/maps, and bandwidth cost loads. And now that Mojang is telling people they can't sell something they don't own, Realms is more desirable... It makes absolutely no sense. If someone could come up with a true reason why this ridiculous idea is valid, I would be glad to give an apology.
I have asked this question many times and still never received a proper answer. How is Mojang trying to increase realms profits by ENFORCING their EULA. All you said was that custom plugins, spawns/maps, and bandwidth cost loads. And now that Mojang is telling people they can't sell something they don't own, Realms is more desirable... It makes absolutely no sense. If someone could come up with a true reason why this ridiculous idea is valid, I would be glad to give an apology.
If there are no more or a lot less private servers, people will have to use Realms instead.
It's because Mojang was small and loved its community, and then it got really big and thought "How can we get MORE money out of everyone who has already bought the game? ... Make them buy Realms!"
It's not so much about what they have the right to do, it's more about how they're slapping people in the face for more money.
So yes, They're enforcing the EULA just to make more money.
Having the right to do something doesn't make it morally sound. I happen to have the right to walk around downtown and call everyone I meet an 'Ugly idiot'. I have the right to do so, but it isn't a good thing to do, It would just make me a jerk who calls people mean names.
The reality is that I don't walk around town calling people names, despite my right to do so. I could go "Freedom of speech, I'm technically not harassing anyone unless I do it repeatedly"... But I don't...
Mojang is abusing their rights, and Notch should step back and look at how that affects people, because if he cares that much about money, and so little about us, he doesn't deserve the awesome fanbase he has.
He needs us... We don't need him...
It really might come down to a lot of Minecraft's community just moving on and leaving Notch to his own business :C
Sure he has the right to be mean to his fans, shut down all the servers we love, and say we're doing bad things just for wanting to have a cool big server, but we have the right to leave if we dislike it.
I hope everybody takes a step back and realizes that if Mojang abuses its power, and hurts the fanbase for no decent reason, we can just go find a new game to build an awesome community around.
Minecraft is a cool game, but this community we have? Minecraft would be nothing without all the awesome fans who have made being a Minecraft fan so awesome.
Davidr64yt, Seananners, the Bukkit crew, Crafted Movie, The Yogscast, InTheLittleWood (Now Yogscast), the mod makers who made Tekkit and other modpacks possible, the map making community who make Adventure Maps and Multiplayer Maps, People who have made awesome Resource and Texture Packs...
These are the people who make Minecraft such a good thing.
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If there are no more or a lot less private servers, people will have to use Realms instead.
It's because Mojang was small and loved its community, and then it got really big and thought "How can we get MORE money out of everyone who has already bought the game? ... Make them buy Realms!"
It's not so much about what they have the right to do, it's more about how they're slapping people in the face for more money.
So yes, They're enforcing the EULA just to make more money.
Having the right to do something doesn't make it morally sound. I happen to have the right to walk around downtown and call everyone I meet an 'Ugly idiot'. I have the right to do so, but it isn't a good thing to do, It would just make me a jerk who calls people mean names.
The reality is that I don't walk around town calling people names, despite my right to do so. I could go "Freedom of speech, I'm technically not harassing anyone unless I do it repeatedly"... But I don't...
Mojang is abusing their rights, and Notch should step back and look at how that affects people, because if he cares that much about money, and so little about us, he doesn't deserve the awesome fanbase he has.
He needs us... We don't need him...
It really might come down to a lot of Minecraft's community just moving on and leaving Notch to his own business :C
Sure he has the right to be mean to his fans, shut down all the servers we love, and say we're doing bad things just for wanting to have a cool big server, but we have the right to leave if we dislike it.
I hope everybody takes a step back and realizes that if Mojang abuses its power, and hurts the fanbase for no decent reason, we can just go find a new game to build an awesome community around.
Minecraft is a cool game, but this community we have? Minecraft would be nothing without all the awesome fans who have made being a Minecraft fan so awesome.
Davidr64yt, Seananners, the Bukkit crew, Crafted Movie, The Yogscast, InTheLittleWood (Now Yogscast), the mod makers who made Tekkit and other modpacks possible, the map making community who make Adventure Maps and Multiplayer Maps, People who have made awesome Resource and Texture Packs...
These are the people who make Minecraft such a good thing.
We Made Fun
You need to realize that you couldn't sell anything on servers in the first place. They are now clarifying and saying you can receive donations. So if anything, they are allowing people to make more money from people playing on their server than before.
If Mojang really wanted people to buy Realms, they would allow the selling of kits and such on Realm servers, but not on servers that aren't hosted by Mojang.
And you are saying that if someone can't find a private server to play on, they will go with Realms to make their own? Anyone with any sense would look for a cheaper and more reliable host than Mojang. Also, why wouldn't they make their own in the first place?
Those youtubers you mentioned... They can still monetize their videos. They have been able to from the start.
I don't see any reason why someone should be able to sell something they don't own. Giving someone an item in a game for real money is just taking something of value to them, and giving them something that doesn't cost anything for you to give. People are basically purchasing the game more than once. You paid about $30 for a game, but to get access to all the features, you have to pay another $50... Makes so much sense.
If you are really worked up about this to the point of not playing the game, why are you still here? Plus, once someone purchases the game, Mojang now has your money. They aren't going to refund it when you say they are unreasonable and that you are leaving. They couldn't care less.
They aren't magically making money from the EULA. They are stopping people from making money off of their game.
To this day, the most complete explanation of why Mojang is somehow making money from the EULA by selling more Realms I have heard is that the EULA is shutting down servers (I would like to see a list of at least 10 servers that have been shut down because of the EULA) And because servers are being shut down, people are now purchasing more realms... Still doesn't make any sense.
Personally i hate the EULA with a passion, Thanks guys!
The nice guy servers i visit have taken away the extremely minor perks i got for like, 50$ mostly because i like having my favorite server around, And the non-honest servers keep on truckin' with their Teirs, OP gear buy-outs in hunger games, ETC.
Without proper enforcement the EULA is just making nice guys finish last, Nice hustle guys...
And i won't even get started on "realms" T_T
If you love the server so much, you should donate without thinking you're getting anything other than access to that server. It's your fault ultimately, for buying into your server rather than supporting the server exclusively.
Agreed. They shouldn't screw us all over just because of a few bad apples. It's so simple, find the jerks who are selling $1,000 donation ranks for Fort. 2,000 Diamond Picks and shut them down. Don't shut down the servers that have a $10 rank where you can get a /kit with OH NO, Protection I diamond armor or something as horrid as that!
What good will come from this? All these people are all like "There will be equality on all these servers now."
You all forgot one thing
THERE WONT BE ANY SERVERS TO PLAY ON
It's a fact of life, 95% of the servers out there are in the business to make money, not to have fun. The server I usually play on has donation ranks, and yes they do have perks, but the perks are within reason, and they do not give us OP items. The owner even provides a system for regular players to get even the highest of donation ranks without even donating! Now, it's August 21st, 21 days of the EULA being in effect, and I haven't seen any major things happen, and things still do seem pretty normal, but if Mojang does get their act together and start shutting down P2W servers, they are going to see the number of Multiplayer servers DRASTICALLY reduce, because it's going to be impossible for any server to cover the MASSIVE fees that they have to pay.
I think that rather than saying "No donation ranks whatsoever unless they are cosmetic", Mojang should put some softer limits in place that still keep everything a little less P2W without screwing the community over. I think that they SHOULD set some general boundaries to prevent Fortune 5,000 picks from circulating the servers, but there's no reason to prevent a server from selling an Iron or Diamond pickaxe for a dollar.
As for the parents who supposedly called Mojang complaining about their kid using their credit card to buy $500 worth of stuff on their game... I have one thing to say to you. WHY DID YOU LET YOUR KID HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD. WHY??? You don't give your kid your credit or debit card and expect that they are old or mature enough to realize that that will cause massive issues financially if they go out and buy $500 ranks. I believe that this is 100% the parent's faults for being irresponsible with their finances. End of story.
Most servers are not selling fortune 3,000 diamond pickaxes. I have never played on one that sold anything that was not obtainable ingame and I've been on multiplayer for 2 years now.
Clearly you will find OP items on a server labeled "OP PRISON SERVER" but when you go to normal servers, towny, some factions, you don't have OP items in the shop. You just have to be half decent at finding a good server, which seems to be something you must not be good at.
So, 2 days over 20 since the grace period "ended". Anything happen to any of the servers yet? One of the servers I was on took down its shop for a short while, but its back selling every item just as it was. Another server is still selling items that are used to provide powerful enchants on gear. Seems nothing has changed.
Its socialist to expect everyone to support the community instead of paying their own way. I either pay to support the community as a whole, or pay nothing. I choose nothing. Ill pay to support my fair share as long as everyone else has to also pay the same amount. Im more then willing to purchase items for use ingame for me, but wont fund others items. Im willing to pay for my internet, not my neighborhood's internet so my wifi has a password on it. I will gladly purchase items that help me ingame, and as a side affect keep the server free to play.
Sounds awesome! I'm sure the free server will be able to play FTB monster right? The idea of mojang giving me a server that would cost well over $100 a month to rent from a hosting service does not seem like a profitable solution for mojang.
I would rather pay 15 a month to mojang hosted servers as long as they had the type of minecraft I like. I find vanilla boring its all the new mod packs that keep it interesting for me. I like playing on high population servers, the bigger the better. I want to pay for my share, but i dont want to pay for yours, so it would have to be like any other MMO and have a monthly subscription. Im willing to pay, and mojang could be raking in an additional $180 a year out of all of us, imagine the pile of cash notch could sit on.
Mojang should provide quality servers for a similar monthly subscription as wow, everyone pays and no one gets to freeload.
With the old system the people who paid got rewarded for doing so and everyone was able to play for free. With the new system I wont pay another penny, like everyone else.
And have the country pay more per year to keep these guys in prison than the said guys ever earnt from MC! What a fabulous, naive idea.
I agree with you to an extent.
Where I disagree is when people offer stuff to sale, so people can spend their money, but the stuff being offered to sale isn't theirs.
If server owners want to sell stuff, they should make their own game, and have their own rules, EULA. Then they can put a price tag on everything,and make the prices as high as they like.
The game isn't theirs, the items they sell isn't theirs. I don't understand why anyone thinks this is ok.
They should use all that energy making their own game, with their own rules instead.
well according to 4j studios it is,. their console ports of minecraft in c++ updates take FOREVER to release and are filled with more bugs than the pc version ever had game breaking bugs that is- ,..the last update neeeded 2 bug fixes to even make it playable
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I remember buying doom "wads" at computer shows. This type of thing has been done in the past. If you joined a competitive clan you had to pay $35 a month for the TS and game server costs, and we had 20 players on our team playing many other LPB teams when my ISDN was king of inet speed in the 90's.
Yep payed for maps that people made, and ID didn't get a penny.
Or how about "shareware" cd's? remember them? Paying 15-40 bucks for game demos on a cd. The company selling the cd didnt make the game, they just put them on a cd.
If that is your argument on why servers should be able to sell pieces of the game, fair enough.
I personally find it irrelevant.
Nothing is stopping a server from accepting donations, or even charging an access fee. (Just in case you forgot).
One word: Realms
Read between the lines. They are not killing servers, but surely limiting their ability to make revenue (which translates into programming, new mini games, bandwidth) will make realms more desirable. If you can't beat your competition in a fair race, kick them in the kneecap before the race starts.
I don't really have any dog in the race. Either way works, but I do feel it will limit future features and also even if it is the correct thing to do, it seems like a bad PR move. Without the industry sprung up through servers/youtubers/modders I think minecraft would still be successful, but nowhere near as successful as it s today. I have personally got 6 people to buy minecraft for the multiplayer experiences on a few different servers.
I have asked this question many times and still never received a proper answer. How is Mojang trying to increase realms profits by ENFORCING their EULA.
All you said was that custom plugins, spawns/maps, and bandwidth cost loads. And now that Mojang is telling people they can't sell something they don't own, Realms is more desirable... It makes absolutely no sense. If someone could come up with a true reason why this ridiculous idea is valid, I would be glad to give an apology.
If there are no more or a lot less private servers, people will have to use Realms instead.
It's because Mojang was small and loved its community, and then it got really big and thought "How can we get MORE money out of everyone who has already bought the game? ... Make them buy Realms!"
It's not so much about what they have the right to do, it's more about how they're slapping people in the face for more money.
So yes, They're enforcing the EULA just to make more money.
Having the right to do something doesn't make it morally sound. I happen to have the right to walk around downtown and call everyone I meet an 'Ugly idiot'. I have the right to do so, but it isn't a good thing to do, It would just make me a jerk who calls people mean names.
The reality is that I don't walk around town calling people names, despite my right to do so. I could go "Freedom of speech, I'm technically not harassing anyone unless I do it repeatedly"... But I don't...
Mojang is abusing their rights, and Notch should step back and look at how that affects people, because if he cares that much about money, and so little about us, he doesn't deserve the awesome fanbase he has.
He needs us... We don't need him...
It really might come down to a lot of Minecraft's community just moving on and leaving Notch to his own business :C
Sure he has the right to be mean to his fans, shut down all the servers we love, and say we're doing bad things just for wanting to have a cool big server, but we have the right to leave if we dislike it.
I hope everybody takes a step back and realizes that if Mojang abuses its power, and hurts the fanbase for no decent reason, we can just go find a new game to build an awesome community around.
Minecraft is a cool game, but this community we have? Minecraft would be nothing without all the awesome fans who have made being a Minecraft fan so awesome.
Davidr64yt, Seananners, the Bukkit crew, Crafted Movie, The Yogscast, InTheLittleWood (Now Yogscast), the mod makers who made Tekkit and other modpacks possible, the map making community who make Adventure Maps and Multiplayer Maps, People who have made awesome Resource and Texture Packs...
These are the people who make Minecraft such a good thing.
We Made Fun
You need to realize that you couldn't sell anything on servers in the first place. They are now clarifying and saying you can receive donations. So if anything, they are allowing people to make more money from people playing on their server than before.
If Mojang really wanted people to buy Realms, they would allow the selling of kits and such on Realm servers, but not on servers that aren't hosted by Mojang.
And you are saying that if someone can't find a private server to play on, they will go with Realms to make their own? Anyone with any sense would look for a cheaper and more reliable host than Mojang. Also, why wouldn't they make their own in the first place?
Those youtubers you mentioned... They can still monetize their videos. They have been able to from the start.
I don't see any reason why someone should be able to sell something they don't own. Giving someone an item in a game for real money is just taking something of value to them, and giving them something that doesn't cost anything for you to give. People are basically purchasing the game more than once. You paid about $30 for a game, but to get access to all the features, you have to pay another $50... Makes so much sense.
If you are really worked up about this to the point of not playing the game, why are you still here? Plus, once someone purchases the game, Mojang now has your money. They aren't going to refund it when you say they are unreasonable and that you are leaving. They couldn't care less.
They aren't magically making money from the EULA. They are stopping people from making money off of their game.
To this day, the most complete explanation of why Mojang is somehow making money from the EULA by selling more Realms I have heard is that the EULA is shutting down servers (I would like to see a list of at least 10 servers that have been shut down because of the EULA) And because servers are being shut down, people are now purchasing more realms... Still doesn't make any sense.
If someone donates for a rank that gives them earlier access to commands, it's not allowed?
If you love the server so much, you should donate without thinking you're getting anything other than access to that server. It's your fault ultimately, for buying into your server rather than supporting the server exclusively.
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What good will come from this? All these people are all like "There will be equality on all these servers now."
You all forgot one thing
THERE WONT BE ANY SERVERS TO PLAY ON
It's a fact of life, 95% of the servers out there are in the business to make money, not to have fun. The server I usually play on has donation ranks, and yes they do have perks, but the perks are within reason, and they do not give us OP items. The owner even provides a system for regular players to get even the highest of donation ranks without even donating! Now, it's August 21st, 21 days of the EULA being in effect, and I haven't seen any major things happen, and things still do seem pretty normal, but if Mojang does get their act together and start shutting down P2W servers, they are going to see the number of Multiplayer servers DRASTICALLY reduce, because it's going to be impossible for any server to cover the MASSIVE fees that they have to pay.
I think that rather than saying "No donation ranks whatsoever unless they are cosmetic", Mojang should put some softer limits in place that still keep everything a little less P2W without screwing the community over. I think that they SHOULD set some general boundaries to prevent Fortune 5,000 picks from circulating the servers, but there's no reason to prevent a server from selling an Iron or Diamond pickaxe for a dollar.
As for the parents who supposedly called Mojang complaining about their kid using their credit card to buy $500 worth of stuff on their game... I have one thing to say to you. WHY DID YOU LET YOUR KID HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD. WHY??? You don't give your kid your credit or debit card and expect that they are old or mature enough to realize that that will cause massive issues financially if they go out and buy $500 ranks. I believe that this is 100% the parent's faults for being irresponsible with their finances. End of story.
few? do you even multiplayer bro?
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Most servers are not selling fortune 3,000 diamond pickaxes. I have never played on one that sold anything that was not obtainable ingame and I've been on multiplayer for 2 years now.
Clearly you will find OP items on a server labeled "OP PRISON SERVER" but when you go to normal servers, towny, some factions, you don't have OP items in the shop. You just have to be half decent at finding a good server, which seems to be something you must not be good at.