something about noobs is they need to learn when i see a noob on a mini game server i exile them but when they are on a survival server i help them when they are in pvp i leave them to die
1.noobs wont learn anything about mc on mini game servers better they practice on a survival server first
2.noobs need to learn to pvp them selves when i was a noob no one fended for me look at me now im pretty decent at pvp i do say so myself
3.mini game servers might be to complicated / they will think its vanilla example:if they play minez to much they will think their are acctually giants in the game (they are just discarded coding)
Okay, lets go through the stages
Newbie > Newb > Noob
They all mean the same thing: Someone who is new to a certain thing.
Well to you they mean the same.
I don't use the term newbie or newb often. I sometimes use noob. But when I say it, I say it as an insult.
Noobs are different than newbs and newbies, at least for me.
Okay, lets go through the stages
Newbie > Newb > Noob
They all mean the same thing: Someone who is new to a certain thing.
No, they don't. Newbie and newb can, but a noob is not a newbie. There are noobs who have been around for a long time but remain noobs. It's about attitude, not experience. Everyone starts knowing very little about a game, but some people think that is a condition to be corrected as quickly as possible, research things on their own, try to solve their own problems first, and are polite and respectful if they have to ask another player for help. Those people are newbies. Other people think that entitles them to special consideration, show no respect for others, and make self-entitled demands rather than polite requests. Those people are noobs.
Newbies recognize that other people have their own concerns and are busy with important things, and treat others as they would want to be treated. Noobs think the world revolves around them, and nothing anyone else is doing could possibly be more important than their whim of the moment.
In short, newbies are just beginners; noobs are immature brats (a condition not necessarily related to calendar age). The difference is very important.
You can't avoid being a newbie; you can (and should!) avoid being a noob.
On our server we try not to ignore anyone weather they are new or not. We might not answer every question that comes our way but that is because we didn't see it in chat or are busy handling someone else at the moment.
Newbie arent the problems, The arrogant and egocentric noobs and ****faces are.
hm, that's a good point.
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I was born blind, but I've never had a problem seeing. I see through my bending.
People see me and think I'm weak. But I can take care of myself, by myself.
but i must say excluding noobs is wrong but they are so annoying that i wanna just run sometimes
1.multiple times on my favorite servers they just give away my location and they just follow me EVERYWHERE i know he looks up to me like a god but i need my own space
2.this is the typical noob not newb a typical noob will be like BUDDR WHERS SKY SQUIDS SUCK!!!! HOW DO U MAKE A STCK!!! DURRRRRR>> U CHEATR U HAVE SHNY ARMR SDGFKGFAKB,SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM!!!!
3.they sorta ruin my focus sometimes and they also are kinda distracting
4.im a bit odc and when they start mining diamonds with a wood/stonepick it erks me so bad
5. they complain they die all day sorta irrates me but we gotta give them time
i dont like to exclude them but some times i need to let my RAGE out
I play a lot of Factions servers, and often I do allow new players to join my faction (I remember how grateful I was to get into my first faction, and how much I learned from it, it's only right that I pass that on after all), but I do run into a lot of problems like new players stealing and accidentally or unwittingly teleporting enemies into my base.
But I do have a rule. One Sky reference and you're out.
But I do have a rule. One Sky reference and you're out.
This. -slow clap-
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Balance is the key. You need some time away and we understand that. But once that's done? We'll meet you on any server (yes, even factions) with a sword in one hand, and a pickaxe in the other.
You think Minecraft noob abuse is bad? Ever heard of TF2? There is a LOT of noob abuse on TF2. You're lucky if you don't give up and uninstall the game if the noob abuse convinces you that you'll never be good.
Good anology. However the rewards for sticking with something does pay off in the end. It helps if you have a bit of an armored skin to abuse directed at you (if you are a new player).
Newbies if they ask politely and act sensibly do deserve some attention however the so called "noobs" do not deserve any as they will not be paying attention anyways.
There are extremely relevant reasons to ignore most 'noobs'.
1. Most players acting new to the game, and constantly spamming the same questions over and over are simply there to 'troll'. This behavior is unnecessary due to the fact that EVERY server has a posting of their rules in spawn, as well as minecraft wiki being more than available to seek out knowledge on.
2. 'Noobs' are untrustworthy as they have yet to prove themselves to ANY community they join. Beg to join a team after only being online 5 minutes? We are going to assume you are a potential problem. Want help starting a base with someone you've never met in game (Like myself or some equally well known on that particular server) and no one will even consider it.
3. The continuously growing 'hacker' problem. Noobs who think they deserve power, or help, but don't have their every whim catered to rush off to download the newest 'hack client' to 'show everyone' that they aren't to be messed with.
4. Players are there to play the game. Mods are there to monitor chat and keep illegal activities to a minimum. Admins are there to fix problems that require creative mode. Owners exist to ensure the server stays up, gameplay continues evolving, and players stay interested. No staff position exists to 'help' or 'baby' noobs.
those are the most BASIC arguments I could make against this position you seem to want to defend. All in all, you need to look at the bigger picture and stop complaining that no one jumps when you (I'm using the general 'you' to include all players in this position) ask a question that would be easily solved by hitting the MCwiki or reading the signs at spawn.
Well, we've all been noobs sometime in our Minecraft lifetime.
Not always. There are people like me who watched alot of Minecraft videos and came equipped with lots of prior knowledge before actually starting to play.
I think it's just this generation of Minecraft players. Most are little kids, so naturally many of them are going to act negatively to new players. Take a game like Garry's Mod or BF3 (PC, not XBox) for example. Most of the players are mature and are going to understand the situation, therefore treating n00bs with respect and answering questions.
Yeah, I mean if you are a newb that just means you haven't played the game as long as others or don't know the game as well as others so I don't know why people are bullying them!
Anyone who asks questions on our server that could be answered by looking at the wiki are usually ignored. Of course there's a little leeway for a few questions but if it keeps happening people get sick of it.
"Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win with the Pokémon they love best."
newb is what you were, newns are good, noobs are self-centered brats who think they are great, when not only are they among the worst players, as in, sometimes worse than newbs, but they are arrogant and consider all others lower than them.
yes, I see vampire_me edited the OP changing all "noob" to newbie/newb
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I was born blind, but I've never had a problem seeing. I see through my bending.
People see me and think I'm weak. But I can take care of myself, by myself.
I think bullying is too strong of a word, just excluding someone in a game, and giving them a tough time is not bullying.
Everyone should either play with close friends or singleplayer before they venture online when the first get a game. It annoys me to play games like Payday, Borderlands or whatever else with random new people. They have no idea what's going on, and potentially mess everything up. I don't hate them, just... learn how to play before going online.
However, if they are eager to learn, I'll let them game with me, and will ignore mistakes, laugh with them, let them mess things up. It's how we all learn. I know there were times I joined servers on Garry's Mod, didn't know what was going on, and I outright asked someone in power to teach me the basics and just help me out here and there.
I think servers are microcosms of social interaction IRL. If someone gets hired on where you work it's nice to greet them and point them in the right direction. Beyond that, I think, people tend to hang back and watch the rookie, see how they handle themselves. Are they needy or self reliant? Do they try to work things out themselves before asking for assistance? It's not a good thing to let a new person get their hooks into you and then realize they are a royal pain in the ass. For 'newbies': Who you are will come out. Learn the rules, follow them. Keep to yourself and take care of business. Then, the 'old timers' might decide you're an asset, that you're actually going to hang around and are worth getting to know.
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A reasonable player, no matter how new they are, respects other players. He treats them as he would like to be treated in their place. He is self-reliant, and does his best not to annoy others. If he inadvertently does something annoying, he mans up and apologizes. If he has to ask for information, he asks for as little of the other person's time as necessary, and his questions are more "where do I look to find out...?" rather than "show me how to...."
A noob, on the other hand, doesn't have any respect for anyone else. Often times this is a younger player, one of the kids so often called "special snowflakes" because their parents praise them incessantly and cater to them every moment of their lives -- the ones who have been raised to expect praise for breathing and a trophy for showing up. He's entitled, self-centered, and just basically selfish. It has never crossed his mind that other players have something else they want to do other than do things for him, get things for him, show him things, etc., because the people he sees with the most authority -- his parents -- do exactly that. Despite being so needy, he also thinks very highly of himself. After all, his parents have always told him that he's great and wonderful, so that's what everyone believes, right? So even if he sucks at a game, he can't recognize this. He has lots of self-esteem but no self-respect.
The problem comes in because they look very similar when first encountered.
"Hi, I'm new here," is the same for either one.
If the next words out of his keyboard are "Could you tell me where to find the tutorials?" you're probably dealing with a newbie. All is good. Most likely, once he learns his way around, he'll be an asset to the game and/or the server. He'll probably remember you as the person who pointed him in the right direction, too.
But if his next words are "Can you give me some stuff to get started?" you can be dead certain it's a noob (not to mention a mooch). He doesn't want to know how to do things; he wants other people to do things, and give him the rewards. If he remembers you at all, he'll remember you as a soft touch who gives him stuff, just like Mommy and Daddy. Far worse than the hate of a noob is the love of one; you can't get rid of the things!
Again, it comes down to respect. A newbie recognizes that other people's concerns are as important to them as his are to him, and behaves accordingly. A noob never even considers that other people have any concerns other than doing what he wants, and also behaves accordingly.
Since noobs are much more visible than newbies -- a newbie is off reading the wiki while a noob is begging, mooching, demanding -- they far more noticeable than their actual numbers merit. 100 newbies experimenting, reading, and researching are practically invisible when compared to three noobs begging for stuff, demanding help, and just being brats. So, unfortunately, the latter are far more memorable, and the bad experiences people have with them tend to carry over to those people's feelings about all beginners, even though most are not noobish.
Noobs really need to be excluded more, so that they are not rewarded for acting like gits, while newbies need to be encouraged because they act like clueful human beings.
1.noobs wont learn anything about mc on mini game servers better they practice on a survival server first
2.noobs need to learn to pvp them selves when i was a noob no one fended for me look at me now im pretty decent at pvp i do say so myself
3.mini game servers might be to complicated / they will think its vanilla example:if they play minez to much they will think their are acctually giants in the game (they are just discarded coding)
Well to you they mean the same.
I don't use the term newbie or newb often. I sometimes use noob. But when I say it, I say it as an insult.
Noobs are different than newbs and newbies, at least for me.
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Retired StaffNo, they don't. Newbie and newb can, but a noob is not a newbie. There are noobs who have been around for a long time but remain noobs. It's about attitude, not experience. Everyone starts knowing very little about a game, but some people think that is a condition to be corrected as quickly as possible, research things on their own, try to solve their own problems first, and are polite and respectful if they have to ask another player for help. Those people are newbies. Other people think that entitles them to special consideration, show no respect for others, and make self-entitled demands rather than polite requests. Those people are noobs.
Newbies recognize that other people have their own concerns and are busy with important things, and treat others as they would want to be treated. Noobs think the world revolves around them, and nothing anyone else is doing could possibly be more important than their whim of the moment.
In short, newbies are just beginners; noobs are immature brats (a condition not necessarily related to calendar age). The difference is very important.
You can't avoid being a newbie; you can (and should!) avoid being a noob.
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hm, that's a good point.
People see me and think I'm weak. But I can take care of myself, by myself.
1.multiple times on my favorite servers they just give away my location and they just follow me EVERYWHERE i know he looks up to me like a god but i need my own space
2.this is the typical noob not newb a typical noob will be like BUDDR WHERS SKY SQUIDS SUCK!!!! HOW DO U MAKE A STCK!!! DURRRRRR>> U CHEATR U HAVE SHNY ARMR SDGFKGFAKB,SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM!!!!
3.they sorta ruin my focus sometimes and they also are kinda distracting
4.im a bit odc and when they start mining diamonds with a wood/stonepick it erks me so bad
5. they complain they die all day sorta irrates me but we gotta give them time
i dont like to exclude them but some times i need to let my RAGE out
But I do have a rule. One Sky reference and you're out.
This. -slow clap-
Good anology. However the rewards for sticking with something does pay off in the end. It helps if you have a bit of an armored skin to abuse directed at you (if you are a new player).
Newbies if they ask politely and act sensibly do deserve some attention however the so called "noobs" do not deserve any as they will not be paying attention anyways.
This guy hit nails on the heads.
Not always. There are people like me who watched alot of Minecraft videos and came equipped with lots of prior knowledge before actually starting to play.
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Curse Premiumyes, I see vampire_me edited the OP changing all "noob" to newbie/newb
People see me and think I'm weak. But I can take care of myself, by myself.
I think bullying is too strong of a word, just excluding someone in a game, and giving them a tough time is not bullying.
Everyone should either play with close friends or singleplayer before they venture online when the first get a game. It annoys me to play games like Payday, Borderlands or whatever else with random new people. They have no idea what's going on, and potentially mess everything up. I don't hate them, just... learn how to play before going online.
However, if they are eager to learn, I'll let them game with me, and will ignore mistakes, laugh with them, let them mess things up. It's how we all learn. I know there were times I joined servers on Garry's Mod, didn't know what was going on, and I outright asked someone in power to teach me the basics and just help me out here and there.
In short. Help new players if they want to learn.
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Retired StaffA reasonable player, no matter how new they are, respects other players. He treats them as he would like to be treated in their place. He is self-reliant, and does his best not to annoy others. If he inadvertently does something annoying, he mans up and apologizes. If he has to ask for information, he asks for as little of the other person's time as necessary, and his questions are more "where do I look to find out...?" rather than "show me how to...."
A noob, on the other hand, doesn't have any respect for anyone else. Often times this is a younger player, one of the kids so often called "special snowflakes" because their parents praise them incessantly and cater to them every moment of their lives -- the ones who have been raised to expect praise for breathing and a trophy for showing up. He's entitled, self-centered, and just basically selfish. It has never crossed his mind that other players have something else they want to do other than do things for him, get things for him, show him things, etc., because the people he sees with the most authority -- his parents -- do exactly that. Despite being so needy, he also thinks very highly of himself. After all, his parents have always told him that he's great and wonderful, so that's what everyone believes, right? So even if he sucks at a game, he can't recognize this. He has lots of self-esteem but no self-respect.
The problem comes in because they look very similar when first encountered.
"Hi, I'm new here," is the same for either one.
If the next words out of his keyboard are "Could you tell me where to find the tutorials?" you're probably dealing with a newbie. All is good. Most likely, once he learns his way around, he'll be an asset to the game and/or the server. He'll probably remember you as the person who pointed him in the right direction, too.
But if his next words are "Can you give me some stuff to get started?" you can be dead certain it's a noob (not to mention a mooch). He doesn't want to know how to do things; he wants other people to do things, and give him the rewards. If he remembers you at all, he'll remember you as a soft touch who gives him stuff, just like Mommy and Daddy. Far worse than the hate of a noob is the love of one; you can't get rid of the things!
Again, it comes down to respect. A newbie recognizes that other people's concerns are as important to them as his are to him, and behaves accordingly. A noob never even considers that other people have any concerns other than doing what he wants, and also behaves accordingly.
Since noobs are much more visible than newbies -- a newbie is off reading the wiki while a noob is begging, mooching, demanding -- they far more noticeable than their actual numbers merit. 100 newbies experimenting, reading, and researching are practically invisible when compared to three noobs begging for stuff, demanding help, and just being brats. So, unfortunately, the latter are far more memorable, and the bad experiences people have with them tend to carry over to those people's feelings about all beginners, even though most are not noobish.
Noobs really need to be excluded more, so that they are not rewarded for acting like gits, while newbies need to be encouraged because they act like clueful human beings.
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