To akraen's credit, I don't think he phrased himself too well, if your son is going to play online he needs to learn to deal with stuff like that, stuff happens online that you would not expect, people feel they can say and do whatever they like online because they'll get no tangible reaction. I can't say what I would've been like online at 12 because I didn't get it until I was 15, but this sort of stuff happens all the time. Also considering the other boy didn't respond have you not considered that it could've been network problems? If they'd kicked him he would have probably got some sort of snyde response.
Hey there,
I agree, he will have to learn how to deal with this stuff...and I'm glad I have received so many suggestions and words of support from people on this thread to help him do that. As for the possibility of a network problem, no it wasn't, because it did say someone in the game kicked him out. I suspect the kid didn't respond because he had no legitimate excuse for kicking him....and so didn't want to/or couldn't answer him.
Regardless, thanks for your input. Every single post has been an important part of this puzzle for me (the good as well as the bad ones)...
I know You're a "she" I just replied to someone else post...
I do not know about setting own server, so I can't tell if it's possible and how that's working though...
But I have my own concerns regarding my son, so I am monitoring this threat
Hope Your son is good now.
I'm sorry, I re-read your post, and realize my mistake about the "mister" comment...
As for setting up a server, there have been a few suggestions throughout the thread about this...so we are definitely going to look into it. While that's on the PC version (from what I understand...)...he still does want to try to work things out on the Xbox, so I'm glad he hasn't been put off entirely by what happened. I will tell you, I have gone over a number of the responses in this discussion with him...and they have really given him a boost.
I'm sorry to hear your son is experiencing similiar difficulties. If I find out the specifics about setting up the server I'll send you a message....
In the meantime, thanks for your interest, and good luck with your situation....
I know what You mean, it's just a parent's concern. To protect a child as long as we can. I wish I could cut my kid from games and internet, but it's impossible these days. All of his friends are playing MC, so what was I suppose to tell him?
Instead I got to know the game myself (and see if it's good to let him play) and actually I loved it. Even with killing pigs and stuff
But I told him to play peaceful only, and he listened, which is good.
And it's nor about getting tough and all. They will have time to do that as well, but why through games like Minecraft - something that supposed to be fun?
I appreciate your comments about a parent's concern to protect a child. There's clearly a difference in the responses from those with children...and those who are children themselves (or not a parent let's say). Not that the former are "better", just that theycome from a place of understanding of my position. The "non-parent" comments though, are just as useful in their own right, as they shed some light for me on the players themselve and the general MC environment. Glad to hear you're enjoying playing with your son (and that he's still receptive to your rules ).
But you're ruining his fun by making him play on peaceful. Totally destroyed the scare-factor right there. He can't even use a lot of the content because many things require items which can only be gotten from monsters. It's not even violent, when they die they just fall over and poof away as smoke.
Well, as long as he's still playing on peaceful, he must be enjoying it, sooooo .... All in good time.
I completely agree, unfortunately there are complete morons out there that can't distinguish between how to behave towards a child, and how they believe it's OK to behave towards an adult. Have you considered looking into child friendly servers? I'm sure they're out there somewhere, if not try posting on the server hosting forum to see of anybody is willing to set one up. Oh my god, I just had a good idea, I think I'm going to pass out.
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Kidding aside, I agree with everything you said. Thanks for chiming in again...
Have you ever actually been in the room while this is happening? If you just ask him what he did that day, or look at what he played, you may not be getting the full story. If you son is doing something inappropriate, then people should have the right to make him leave. If he isn't doing anything wrong, then I will say you are taking this too seriously. You can't get worked up about what happens over the internet in a lot of cases, especially in a game, where people can be as mean as they want. I'm 13, BTW, and I laugh at people who kick me out of games because of how immature they are, and know that I would never do those things. If getting kicked out happens EVERY SINGLE TIME he plays, I would suggest not playing multi-player for a while, play single-player, or leave Minecraft alone for awhile and play something else. One last thing. If being kicked out of games is now bullying, I have lost every morsel of hope left for humanity (how will you cope with the real world if you complain about a game?).
A couple of thoughts on your post...
Yup, I'm always in the room while he's playing -- specifically so I can keep an eye on things.
No, he wasn't doing anything wrong -- the kids who kicked him out for no reason were the ones in the wrong. While this seems to be an unfortunate side effect of a feature that needs to be in place for legitimate reasons, the manner in which it was used, yes, is a form of bullying. I do not think this is reason enough for you to give up on humanity ...
He was not the one complaining, I was. And I cope with the real world just fine, thanks very much.
Finally, it hasn't happened every single time, but I do think there is some merit to keeping the single-player format as part of his online mix, as you suggest.
Thanks for your input.
Well, basically, he's 6 (as in: SIX). And zombies, creepers, spiders scare the heck of him. He knows they exist (thanx to YT) and what you can get from them, but we agreed (and he said that with a relief) that he doesn't need to tame dogs and stuff.
Once or twice he found monster spawners underground, and even when I told him there will be no mobs, he was scared. What do you want, he's six...
It's enough for him to build a house, a bridge, a tower or two... basics. I know that, when he is ready, we will go for a monster hunting, but for now - there's no need for that.
Responding out of order here, but wanted to get back to you. I didn't mean that in a derogatory manner at all ....in fact, as I was writing it, I worried that the tone might not come across correctly.
Nah it wasn't so much the wording of your post as it was my own disclaimer. I usually do read all the posts in a thread before I reply. So no need to worry, I'm not offended
if youre worried about your little shut in being bullied on the interwebs on his deathbox, what you should do is get him a REAL MANS PC, and a C++ textbook and tell him to learn that. then he can go and hack the "eBully" and get their credit info then let things take their course.
But... if that seems a little to extreme, or requires to much patience for those who only care for instant gratification, you could always get him a gun, OR tell him its just a game and has no purpose or effect on life.
Has anyone thought that maybe he got kicked because the server went down for whatever reason? (Happens to me quite often actually on the PC version, I don't own and XBox)
Nah it wasn't so much the wording of your post as it was my own disclaimer. I usually do read all the posts in a thread before I reply. So no need to worry, I'm not offended
Indeed it is, long and detailed. It's interesting how much attention it has received actually.
Okay good, glad you didn't take it the wrong way. And yes, I'm surprised too at the length of the thread....it must have touched a nerve with a few people.
if youre worried about your little shut in being bullied on the interwebs on his deathbox, what you should do is get him a REAL MANS PC, and a C++ textbook and tell him to learn that. then he can go and hack the "eBully" and get their credit info then let things take their course.
But... if that seems a little to extreme, or requires to much patience for those who only care for instant gratification, you could always get him a gun, OR tell him its just a game and has no purpose or effect on life.
Gotta say, I find your sign-off of "I support the art of literature" to be dramatically at odds with the content of your post.
Has anyone thought that maybe he got kicked because the server went down for whatever reason? (Happens to me quite often actually on the PC version, I don't own and XBox)
Hi Steevy,
Yeah, that has been suggested and it has happened. But in these particular cases, he was kicked out by people he was playing with (that's what the message said when it happened).
The people who kick people from their own game...
That shouldn't even be possible in the first place.
In conferring with him just now, he has corrected me. He said he was friends with the person who had started it. I'm going to go correct that part of my intial post....Thanks...
this has probaly been said before but i hope this hasnt put him off the game. he'll find another server that he will be welcomed on and i can see him being a great builder sort of a "hah! in your face" to the ones who kicked him.
i'd give a few server ideas out but i play on 18+ servers on the pc.
i say give him some milk a packet of cookies and a hug and get him to try looking for other servers
not much help i know
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Well they ARE the admins, and it is THEIR server, so if they don't want him to play, he can't play. This is not an act of bullying, it's like saying your bro found a million dollars and you ask to split it, what do you think he would say? After all it is HIS million dollars. Please don't take this as a harsh reply, I'm just defending that this is not a case of bullying.
I have no idea how old you are Grandcrafter, but I'm talking about him playing with other 12 year olds. I'm also not suggesting that everyone needs to get along with/play with everyone else. If people don't want to play with other people, I get that. My point is, the format....of KICKING PEOPLE OUT....at someone's whim....is a bit harsh. If you don't know someone, who you might not enjoy playing with, don't invite him or her to your game. And if you're not having fun, then leave.
Thanks for your response gojiraman. Nah, his voice is fine....and the kids are his age...so that's not the issue. But as you suggest...and as it apers, there's not much that's going to be done about the system. Sure I can suggest he not play it, etc....but it just es me off that that should need to be a recourse, ya know? Anyhow, thanks again....
Well you raise an interesting point..I don't know about the server aspect of it. But I do know that it's not the SERVER that's kicking him off, it's the individual kid(s) in the game. I appreciate your input and reminder about there being some kids out there who ARE respectful. I do suppose there's going to be a certain learning curve on the new system....
Thanks again.
Forgive me in advance if I say something dumb, lol.
I am a new player. I just started a couple of days ago, and I haven't tried the multiplayer option yet, so I'm not quite sure of the mechanics of that playing mode.
It looks like a player creates an instanced world for a specific group of players to play on.
If this works in any way like MMO parties/groups; it would make sense that the person who holds the leader title has the power to add or remove players from the instance. This is a *good* thing, because the leader needs to have the power to remove a member that may be detrimental to the group. Kind of like "My house, my rules. Play nice or get out." If the leader can't remove a player from the instance, it leaves the entire group vunerable to players that cause grief.
Are you saying that *any* player on any given server has the power to remove other players? This seems like a really bad mechanic.
My son just told me that only Admin and Hosts can remove other players. Maybe the host of that server just gives Admin powers to everyone?
My suggestion would be for him to find a Clan (is that the right term in this game?) with established leadership and a good reputation for helping new players. They should be able to help him find a good server fit, and get started with making friends and learning good game ettiquette.
I feel you man, from my experiences on Xbox live, no one is really nice. It is possible for people to kick you from games, i'm not sure about banning, but disabling people from joining is an option. Some people are even capable of shutting down you're internet. Just keep your son away from people who are like that, have him play with people in his same age group. Use privacy controls so your son can have the best gaming experience.
It was said before - the act itself is not a problem. The attitude of players/Admins is.
Just kids, I know. But it shows something more. If the people don't see that, then I know we have a problem.
Just a thought - I'm stretching it, I know - but if young people are rude and aggressive and abusive as young kids just playing MC - and they are - why are we surprised that they pull out a gun and shoot strangers in a school or cinema?
You stretched it too far. The people that you are mentioning had mental health issues. You can't blame video games on something like that. Also, if the US had stricter laws on gun ownership like here in Canada, then those things have a much lower chance of happening.
This seems like more of a personal problem then something to post on an internet forum. It's not our problem that some kid is a jerk off to your son. That's life for you.
I don't really understand what you want to the message to be when you are removed from the game. It's the responsibility of the game host to regulate the players. Being kicked from the game is the generic message sent when you are removed from the play session. It's the same for if someone is abusing the game, or if someone is just removed.
Your son sounds as if he needs to find some new friends, it's not the games fault that they're ass hats. The fact that they don't want him there is again, a personal problem and not the fault of the game. I'm not sure what you expect to get out of making a post about it on an internet forum.
im 12 also and i play on the PC so i dont know much about how the Xbox works. i play multiplayer but n one knows anything about me, for i dont share my real age or my voice. if he was playing on a server (i dont know how xbox works) type of thing he should find another one or he can complain to higer staff about those who kicked him. also, he shouldnt be that traumatized by geting kicked, some admins just kick for stuff like typing in all capitals. he can always join again. it just takes a minute, unless he was banned, thats a different story. i suggest
dont use the mic, older players can be annoyed by voice
dont play on bad servers/parties
dont be so traumatized by getting kicked,it could be a mistake or just a warning for breaking a minor rule.
i am scared about humanity. what will happen to this species. this is considered a problem ! i cant belive parents actually have time to worry about this kind of stuff. i live in whats considered a third world country and our problems are : electricity loadshedding, gas load shedding. robberies, more really bad stuff
my family is comsidered rich compared to others and the only reason i can afford a dual core pc to play mc and type this is because my parents work 24/7 and we rarely meet for more than an hour
welcome to real life
There's a problem with the kids he's playing with then, and whoever runs the server. Blaming Minecraft or Mojang is like blaming the playground or the construction workers who built it, instead of who is in charge of the playground or the bullies that play on it.
Technically though, it is their server, and he can only play on it because they allow him to. Sure it may be mean to kick him for no particular legitimate reason (Why let him play in the first place and invest his time on it?), but some people are mean. That's life.
Also, like it or not, "kicked out" is just the vernacular for "involuntarily removed," and is used more or less universally by English speakers, so it only makes sense that Mojang would also use this same language.
Keep in mind that there are also plenty of good reasons to kick people off of servers.
I kicked a 5 year old once because she had been left to "look" at someone else's constructions on my server by one of the other regular players. Well, she did more than just look, and was unknowingly damaging a lot of hard work. She figured out how to log back into the game too, but fortunately we were able to contact the player who had left her there by then.
Maybe you could find a good server to play on and play on it with your son, or start and run your own if you can't find one.
I joined this forum to express my discontent about this subject. I do not know how to contact MINDCRAFT or their manufacturer.
Basically, we got our 12 year old son an xbox for Christmas. He has played Mindcraft online a lot and enjoys it quite a bit. He is somewhat shy socially, and I was pleased to see/hear him playing Mindcraft (he is a good player from what I've seen) with some other kids (all from the comforts of home). A couple of times in the last few days...he has been randomly "kicked out" of the games he was playing in by some of the other boys. One was in a game/party he had initiated. (Edit 1/20: apparently not the case....he was friends with the boy who started it.)
I do not know the particulars of why this happened. He did not know either...and had asked one of the boys in a private message, but he didn't respond. Some of these kids that got involved in the games are some of the "popular" kids...and I suppose my son just got into a given game by association with someone else on the periphery.
So I'm not necessarily saying it's anyone's responsibility to allow him to keep playing, if they don't want him to play for whatever reason. But this method -- of "kicking someone out" -- and having that message displayed to my son (or whomever)....is ridiculous. It's bullying in it's basest form. Like they're on the playground at the school yard, and they won't let him play. It's completely random, and without just cause.
I have seen the effect this has had on him...and now he is reluctant to even play....for fear of being kicked off. Please don't say "well he must have been doing something wrong". He was not being abusive in any way shape or form (it's in our family room, so I hear every word).
No one is policing this. And at the very least, if the initiator of a given game can be kicked out, that's just ridiculous.
My primary gripe is the way this situation is being handled. As I said, I perceive it, it is BULLYING. And it makes me mad...that other boys...have somehow made a FUN experience for my son something that he now will only do with trepidation.
I don't imagine my son is the only victim of this. I certainly hope there is another adult or someone from Mindcraft who sees this...as I suspect the kids playing are just going to tell me to shut up.
EDIT 1/17: First, yes, I know it's MinEcraft....and secondly, I'm actually the MOM, not the father . Find it funny some people made the assumption I was the latter ....
EDIT1/18: For those of you put off by the length of this thread, let me say a few things: first and foremost, if someone took the time and interest to respond to me, I'm certainly going to take the time to respond in kind; second, consider perhaps this topic warrants a "lively" discussion; and finally, you are under no obligation to wade thru it.
i understand what your talking about,but a kick/ban feature is needed in my opinion,for unruly or disruptive players that don't further the enjoyment of the game for others,i'm not implying your son was one at all,but it's a needed feature,that can be misused,as in this case,sorry
It was said before - the act itself is not a problem. The attitude of players/Admins is.
Just kids, I know. But it shows something more. If the people don't see that, then I know we have a problem.
Just a thought - I'm stretching it, I know - but if young people are rude and aggressive and abusive as young kids just playing MC - and they are - why are we surprised that they pull out a gun and shoot strangers in a school or cinema?
Woah, I highly doubt some bullying would really lead kids to pull out a gun and murder innocent people. o__o That's not just a stretch, that's a huuuge stretch, lol.
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Yeah, that kind of behavior is very rare (though still too frequent), while the number of kids that play multiplayer video games and show poor etiquette in varying degrees while doing so is vastly higher (maybe even the majority of kids that play multiplayer video games). The latter might be a contributing factor to the former under certain circumstances, but not a significant nor main cause, in my opinion.
A few other things are much more relevant factors, like being driven, very crazy and/or emotionally distraught or unbalanced, and having access to excessively deadly weapons and people that they want to use them on.
The reasons for this kind of behavior aside, I don't think it's a realistic nor relevant comparison either.
Hey there,
I agree, he will have to learn how to deal with this stuff...and I'm glad I have received so many suggestions and words of support from people on this thread to help him do that. As for the possibility of a network problem, no it wasn't, because it did say someone in the game kicked him out. I suspect the kid didn't respond because he had no legitimate excuse for kicking him....and so didn't want to/or couldn't answer him.
Regardless, thanks for your input. Every single post has been an important part of this puzzle for me (the good as well as the bad ones)...
Have a good night ....
I'm sorry, I re-read your post, and realize my mistake about the "mister" comment...
As for setting up a server, there have been a few suggestions throughout the thread about this...so we are definitely going to look into it. While that's on the PC version (from what I understand...)...he still does want to try to work things out on the Xbox, so I'm glad he hasn't been put off entirely by what happened. I will tell you, I have gone over a number of the responses in this discussion with him...and they have really given him a boost.
I'm sorry to hear your son is experiencing similiar difficulties. If I find out the specifics about setting up the server I'll send you a message....
In the meantime, thanks for your interest, and good luck with your situation....
I appreciate your comments about a parent's concern to protect a child. There's clearly a difference in the responses from those with children...and those who are children themselves (or not a parent let's say). Not that the former are "better", just that theycome from a place of understanding of my position. The "non-parent" comments though, are just as useful in their own right, as they shed some light for me on the players themselve and the general MC environment. Glad to hear you're enjoying playing with your son (and that he's still receptive to your rules ).
Again, good luck, and thanks for sharing.
Well, as long as he's still playing on peaceful, he must be enjoying it, sooooo .... All in good time.
"Fans Mr_Dice, hoping he has recovered "
Kidding aside, I agree with everything you said. Thanks for chiming in again...
A couple of thoughts on your post...
Yup, I'm always in the room while he's playing -- specifically so I can keep an eye on things.
No, he wasn't doing anything wrong -- the kids who kicked him out for no reason were the ones in the wrong. While this seems to be an unfortunate side effect of a feature that needs to be in place for legitimate reasons, the manner in which it was used, yes, is a form of bullying. I do not think this is reason enough for you to give up on humanity ...
He was not the one complaining, I was. And I cope with the real world just fine, thanks very much.
Finally, it hasn't happened every single time, but I do think there is some merit to keeping the single-player format as part of his online mix, as you suggest.
Thanks for your input.
Exactly
Exactly again ...
Nah it wasn't so much the wording of your post as it was my own disclaimer. I usually do read all the posts in a thread before I reply. So no need to worry, I'm not offended
Indeed it is, long and detailed. It's interesting how much attention it has received actually.
But... if that seems a little to extreme, or requires to much patience for those who only care for instant gratification, you could always get him a gun, OR tell him its just a game and has no purpose or effect on life.
This isn't a problem with Minecraft, this is a problem with your son's friends.
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That shouldn't even be possible in the first place.
Okay good, glad you didn't take it the wrong way. And yes, I'm surprised too at the length of the thread....it must have touched a nerve with a few people.
Gotta say, I find your sign-off of "I support the art of literature" to be dramatically at odds with the content of your post.
You're partially correct, thanks for responding.
Hi Steevy,
Yeah, that has been suggested and it has happened. But in these particular cases, he was kicked out by people he was playing with (that's what the message said when it happened).
Thanks though for your response.
In conferring with him just now, he has corrected me. He said he was friends with the person who had started it. I'm going to go correct that part of my intial post....Thanks...
Hm. I didn't find it funny in the least.
i'd give a few server ideas out but i play on 18+ servers on the pc.
i say give him some milk a packet of cookies and a hug and get him to try looking for other servers
not much help i know
Soo..cute. o__e
Forgive me in advance if I say something dumb, lol.
I am a new player. I just started a couple of days ago, and I haven't tried the multiplayer option yet, so I'm not quite sure of the mechanics of that playing mode.
It looks like a player creates an instanced world for a specific group of players to play on.
If this works in any way like MMO parties/groups; it would make sense that the person who holds the leader title has the power to add or remove players from the instance. This is a *good* thing, because the leader needs to have the power to remove a member that may be detrimental to the group. Kind of like "My house, my rules. Play nice or get out." If the leader can't remove a player from the instance, it leaves the entire group vunerable to players that cause grief.
Are you saying that *any* player on any given server has the power to remove other players? This seems like a really bad mechanic.
My son just told me that only Admin and Hosts can remove other players. Maybe the host of that server just gives Admin powers to everyone?
My suggestion would be for him to find a Clan (is that the right term in this game?) with established leadership and a good reputation for helping new players. They should be able to help him find a good server fit, and get started with making friends and learning good game ettiquette.
Good luck,
Jorgon
You stretched it too far. The people that you are mentioning had mental health issues. You can't blame video games on something like that. Also, if the US had stricter laws on gun ownership like here in Canada, then those things have a much lower chance of happening.
I don't really understand what you want to the message to be when you are removed from the game. It's the responsibility of the game host to regulate the players. Being kicked from the game is the generic message sent when you are removed from the play session. It's the same for if someone is abusing the game, or if someone is just removed.
Your son sounds as if he needs to find some new friends, it's not the games fault that they're ass hats. The fact that they don't want him there is again, a personal problem and not the fault of the game. I'm not sure what you expect to get out of making a post about it on an internet forum.
my family is comsidered rich compared to others and the only reason i can afford a dual core pc to play mc and type this is because my parents work 24/7 and we rarely meet for more than an hour
welcome to real life
There's a problem with the kids he's playing with then, and whoever runs the server. Blaming Minecraft or Mojang is like blaming the playground or the construction workers who built it, instead of who is in charge of the playground or the bullies that play on it.
Technically though, it is their server, and he can only play on it because they allow him to. Sure it may be mean to kick him for no particular legitimate reason (Why let him play in the first place and invest his time on it?), but some people are mean. That's life.
Also, like it or not, "kicked out" is just the vernacular for "involuntarily removed," and is used more or less universally by English speakers, so it only makes sense that Mojang would also use this same language.
Keep in mind that there are also plenty of good reasons to kick people off of servers.
I kicked a 5 year old once because she had been left to "look" at someone else's constructions on my server by one of the other regular players. Well, she did more than just look, and was unknowingly damaging a lot of hard work. She figured out how to log back into the game too, but fortunately we were able to contact the player who had left her there by then.
Maybe you could find a good server to play on and play on it with your son, or start and run your own if you can't find one.
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Woah, I highly doubt some bullying would really lead kids to pull out a gun and murder innocent people. o__o That's not just a stretch, that's a huuuge stretch, lol.
A few other things are much more relevant factors, like being driven, very crazy and/or emotionally distraught or unbalanced, and having access to excessively deadly weapons and people that they want to use them on.
The reasons for this kind of behavior aside, I don't think it's a realistic nor relevant comparison either.
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