I'm not posting to judge his parent's child-raising skills or lack there of. My opinion of them, your opinion of them, poster #342's opinion of them does not matter in the least. One person might feel raising a child to be a liberal was poor parenting, another might feel sending a kid to church was abusive. Different strokes and all that. I'll give OP the benefit of the doubt and say everything he's said is the exact truth. In turn, I'll then give his parents the benefit of the doubt and say they are humans doing the best they can. No one can say any different.
I'm giving him the best advice from a parent's perspective I can: *respectfully* present his position and then get on with life. It ain't always gonna be fair. I'd be willing to bet that with "good behavior" and no constant pouting or whining he could be "unbanned" in a week or two. But let's also note his computer privileges were revoked, yet he's posting on here; so he's already demonstrating he has a problem following rules himself to which I say pot meet kettle. Yeah, as a kid I'd sneak behind my parent's back when I grounded, but I didn't present myself as a innocent victim either.
But the absolute worst thing he could do would be show them this thread as an argument; having a bunch of "fellow adults" telling him his parents are a-holes, ignorant, poor parents, should be back-handed or ran over by a bus, etc. is a good way to get his Internet taken away for a loooooong time, not just a month.
Send a child to church is abusive, but that is beside the point.
Your argument from authority is invalid, though the majority of these replies to this thread are rooted in the fallacy of argument from final consequences.
Point remains that while the OP's parents sound like a bunch of luddite fools, we, as ignorant spectators, neither have the complete story, nor any ability to impact the situation in any meaningful way.
What the OP could take away from this is an opportunity to learn skills to bypass his parents, if he has the wit. I cut my teeth at age 10 learning C, so that I could write a keylogger to obtain their dialup password.
Ok, so I run a minecraft server, and my friend couldn't play if his little brother couldn't play, so I'm like ok whatever
The 2nd day his brother gets on he starts breaking my servers rules, so I de op him and warn him I'll ban him next time he breaks the rules. A week later he blows up my house that I worked on for 2 weeks. So I ban him for a weekend. When he gets back on he starts building inside my friend Blake's fourt after Blake told him to get out. I go tell him I'm tired of this crap and he starts havering a fit. Then his dad gets onto his account and tells me he's calling my parents. They call my parents and say I'm "bulling ther son like he doesn't matter" when all I did was enforce my servers rules! So I got banned by my parents from the computer for a month.
Now I wanna know was my punishment justified or not?!?!?!?!?
I didn't cuss at the kid, I didn't destroy the kids stuff I just enforced my server rules.
So after he bullies you, nothing happens, but when you fight back, you can't go on your computer? Explain this to your parents.
Are your parents defective models?
Did they have the bad side of the DNA, but you got the recessive part that made you smart?
Explain that, using a real-life example, such as...
Let's say, being an Op makes you a vice principal.
That kid who was destroying stuff was a reckless kid who vandalized school property.
You expelled him because of the fact he kept vandalizing and stealing and whatnot.
Then, the superintendant fired you because you expelled him.
...that punishment for rightous punishment is unfair.
Or go live with your rich uncle.
You have no idea how much I agree with you on this one. Anyone who forces their children into a belief system/religion should have their kids taken away from them.
..yes, I said taken away from them, and yes, I am serious. It's one of the highest levels of psychological abuse/manipulation you can do to a child.
Hey, is it cool if I say that you're awesome? And not just for that one post, but for the other things that you said here and there.
ON TOPIC: I honestly agree with what Ray said. Being only fifteen myself, it can be frustrating to have to argue with a parent whom doesn't completely understand the situation, and won't listen to reasoning. Having to re-explain everything several times, and receiving "you'll do it because we told you so" as a reply generally doesn't solve things for me.
Just try to be nice to them, if they're anything like my parents you might get off lucky for good behavior. Until then, play on your gameboy or anything that doesn't count as a computer.
I did and the kids dad and my mom said that banning him for a weekend was an inappropriate solution to the conflict
+100000000000 So it is not okay to ban the kid from your server for two days but it is okay to ban you from computers in general for a month!?!? I think that right there is argument enough to convince most sane people that your punishment is unfair.
As a fellow adult, I disagree with you. Parents can be uneducated jackasses all the time and a majority of them have no clue what being a parent means. They just figure it means "Kid does what I say or else" and have no clue how to actually educate them on right and wrong, they just simply slap a punishment on them to get them out of their hair, sometimes not even explaining the punishment.
While we don't know his side of the story, he does seem like your typical kid who got the short end of the stick. Just "obeying" is not the answer. If his parents are wrong, he needs to find a respectable way to inform them of that. The server logs should have been enough, the fact they were not shows how ignorant his parents are. If there's one thing in life I absolutely hate it's parents who think they own their children, instead of allowing their kids some space and personal growth they just tell them what to do and expect them to listen "or else".
Assuming what his kid is saying is true, his parents are the kind I'd like to line up and run over with a bus, twice to make sure the job is done. Parents should listen to both sides of the story and analyze evidence on both sides. Not just take a fellow parent's word for it and ignore the kid's story.
*if* everything the OP said is true, these parents need to be backhanded by a real adults, because they obviously have no clue how to parent.
I agree with you so much. As a 14 year old with two younger siblings I find it absolutely infuriating when my parents instantly side with whoever is younger (so never me) in any conflict and refuse to listen to any reasoning whatsoever. I have literally had my dad walk in and get mad at me upon hearing my little brother ( who is 10) yell, without even knowing if I punched him or if he stubbed his toe.
Here's my solution: First of all, use the other guys advice to leave a professional looking document somewhere where they can see with the log of the server that has proof of the little ***** griefing, and then have something in there telling them where in the computer they can confirm it. Alternative solution, have one of those gay and ineffective intervention things HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS intervention things where you force them into submitting into what your saying by pressuring them. 3rd option? Make it look like someone else killed them, then live with your rich uncle like that other guy said. Why does everyone have a rich uncle? 4th option, burn the little bitche's house down, when a neighbour leaves a garage open, take the gasoline and a lighter, then run to their house in a pair of old shoes, and tight clothes and burn that **** down. Leave no evidence. 5th option and the only one that will work: Throw a ****ing tantrum.
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