Yeah...I really don't give a **** about a moron's opinion, please go play in traffic and thank you.
...Please go die in a fire, it will amuse me
Look, you're not funny, I was never trying to start a flame war. I was merely voicing my opinion on OP's situation. However, you act like the big brother of this thread. The fact is that you are not.
This has nothing to do with the OP
Kid you just be trying to start a flame war. Go fail troll elsewhere
It's things like this that make me uncontrollably angry. The fact that parents can decide to punish their kids when they have virtually no experience in the matter and that they inherently decide to do is troublesome.
Explain to your parents that what they did was wrong, and that he was ruining the experience for not only you but hurting your server and its visitors. If they don't listen to that, I'd personally give up on them and just sever as much connection with them as humanly possible; you don't want to be around people like that.
Sounds like the parents don't know how computers work. I'd suggest letting them play, then having someone grief them so they know how it feels. If you don't have that much patience, break the furniture and describe how it relates to the situation.
Break the furniture, then get your brother kicked out of the house after he tries to tell on you.
If the kid's breaking the rules, he's being an ass. Since your parents grounded you, I'd tell them that he's the one who should be punished. If I were you, video tape him breaking the rules, and use it as evidence. I feel bad for you, I wouldn't be able to breathe without Minecraft O_O.
You don't deserve to be treated like that. The server's rules are to be followed and you must enforce them. Explain to the kid's parents what you mean. I am the co-owner of a server and I enforce the rules HEAVILY so our server is fun and happy :biggrin.gif:
I did and the kids dad and my mom said that banning him for a weekend was an inappropriate solution to the conflict
I showed them it and they said it wasn't "valid proof"
Show the forum page to your parents. then theyll see that everyone agrees that your friends little brother deserves to be banned permantnly and you should be able to use your computer. explain to them that you were being exceptionally nice under the circumstances. most server hosts are much meaner. my friend banned me and my other friend for a week for accidently blowing part of a village up and we even fixed it. and we didnt complain. that kid is a spoiled brat. you should ban him.
What I find interesting about this topic, is that everyone seems to be just accepting that the OPs post is complete and truthful -- Keep in mind that you are all only hearing one side of the story.
Maybe the OPs parents have a reason as to why they responded the way they did. Who knows, maybe this was just the last straw.
I am not even going to comment about the OP choosing to post a forum topic about this, or what he thought that would accomplish.
This. Seriously.
Their house, their rules; the sooner you get used to that the better. You're not being abused, you're being what passes for grounded in this time and age; they may or may not be unfair with the punishment but that's not something a group of strangers on a web site is going to be able to say. And for gods sake don't go showing them a forum topic whining about it if you don't want it expanded to two months; talk with them about your side respectfully, but if they don't relent let it go. One month won't kill you; you've got a lot of years of life ahead of you :smile.gif:
Advice from a parent, not a fellow whatever-year old :smile.gif:
Just show you parents this entire topic! This is all the proof that you need to show that the punichment they inflicted on you was wrong. I own a server, and if someone breaks the rules, the are de-oped, then kicked then baned! He got off lucky, that kid.
Their house, their rules; the sooner you get used to that the better. You're not being abused, you're being what passes for grounded in this time and age; they may or may not be unfair with the punishment but that's not something a group of strangers on a web site is going to be able to say. And for gods sake don't go showing them a forum topic whining about it if you don't want it expanded to two months; talk with them about your side respectfully, but if they don't relent let it go. One month won't kill you; you've got a lot of years of life ahead of you :smile.gif:
Advice from a parent, not a fellow whatever-year old :smile.gif:
As a fellow adult, I disagree with you. Parents can be uneducated jackasses all the time and a majority of them have no clue what being a parent means. They just figure it means "Kid does what I say or else" and have no clue how to actually educate them on right and wrong, they just simply slap a punishment on them to get them out of their hair, sometimes not even explaining the punishment.
While we don't know his side of the story, he does seem like your typical kid who got the short end of the stick. Just "obeying" is not the answer. If his parents are wrong, he needs to find a respectable way to inform them of that. The server logs should have been enough, the fact they were not shows how ignorant his parents are. If there's one thing in life I absolutely hate it's parents who think they own their children, instead of allowing their kids some space and personal growth they just tell them what to do and expect them to listen "or else".
Assuming what his kid is saying is true, his parents are the kind I'd like to line up and run over with a bus, twice to make sure the job is done. Parents should listen to both sides of the story and analyze evidence on both sides. Not just take a fellow parent's word for it and ignore the kid's story.
*if* everything the OP said is true, these parents need to be backhanded by a real adults, because they obviously have no clue how to parent.
As a fellow adult, I disagree with you. Parents can be uneducated jackasses all the time and a majority of them have no clue what being a parent means. They just figure it means "Kid does what I say or else" and have no clue how to actually educate them on right and wrong, they just simply slap a punishment on them to get them out of their har.
While we don't know his side of the story, he does seem like your typical kid who got the short end of the stick just "obeying" is not the answer. If his parents are wrong, he needs to find a respectable way to inform them of that. The server logs should have been enough, the fact they were not shows how ignorant his parents are. If there's one thing in life I absolutely hate it's parents who think they own their children, instead of allowing their kids some space and personal growth they just tell them what to do and expect them to listen "or else".
Assuming what his kid is saying is true, his parents are the kind I'd like to line up and run over with a bus, twice to make sure the job is done. Parents should listen to both sides of the story and analyze evidence on both sides. Not just take a fellow parent's word for it and ignore the kid's story.
*if* everything the OP said is true, these parents need to be backhanded by a real adults, because they obviously have no clue how to parent.
What's in bold is exactly what my parents do. I hate it.
Also, whenever I have a quarrel on Minecraft, my parents tell me to get off and do something else. They act like I'm supposed to do every little thing, can't my brother do something for once?
As a fellow adult, I disagree with you. Parents can be uneducated jackasses all the time and a majority of them have no clue what being a parent means. They just figure it means "Kid does what I say or else" and have no clue how to actually educate them on right and wrong, they just simply slap a punishment on them to get them out of their hair, sometimes not even explaining the punishment.
While we don't know his side of the story, he does seem like your typical kid who got the short end of the stick. Just "obeying" is not the answer. If his parents are wrong, he needs to find a respectable way to inform them of that. The server logs should have been enough, the fact they were not shows how ignorant his parents are. If there's one thing in life I absolutely hate it's parents who think they own their children, instead of allowing their kids some space and personal growth they just tell them what to do and expect them to listen "or else".
Assuming what his kid is saying is true, his parents are the kind I'd like to line up and run over with a bus, twice to make sure the job is done. Parents should listen to both sides of the story and analyze evidence on both sides. Not just take a fellow parent's word for it and ignore the kid's story.
*if* everything the OP said is true, these parents need to be backhanded by a real adults, because they obviously have no clue how to parent.
This post sounds like someone who thought they didn't get a fair shake as a child. Hence the previously bolded line. The post you replied to takes a proactive approach to parenting (life?) and you would have them take a reactive roll. That is, only interfere when you absolutely HAVE to. Quite frankly, it sounds like the bratty kid has parents like you would like to have, and the OP has the other kind of parents. Mostly anecdotal, but most children who act like the bratty kid had parents that "allowed space and personal growth", and kids like this (conscientious and thoughtful) had parents who knew that wasn't all there was to it. Sometimes, its really our house our rules.
Believe it or not, parents are actually there to train and instruct. Parents throughout the animal kingdom do exactly this. We're the only kind that has decided that we need to debate the merits of it...
This post sounds like someone who thought they didn't get a fair shake as a child. Hence the previously bolded line. The post you replied to takes a proactive approach to parenting (life?) and you would have them take a reactive roll. That is, only interfere when you absolutely HAVE to. Quite frankly, it sounds like the bratty kid has parents like you would like to have, and the OP has the other kind of parents. Mostly anecdotal, but most children who act like the bratty kid had parents that "allowed space and personal growth", and kids like this (conscientious and thoughtful) had parents who knew that wasn't all there was to it. Sometimes, its really our house our rules.
Believe it or not, parents are actually there to train and instruct. Parents throughout the animal kingdom do exactly this. We're the only kind that has decided that we need to debate the merits of it...
We're not saying allow them to do whatever they want and get their way, we're saying at least let them Have some space. When I go to the mall, my mom's following us some way behind. When I'm on the computer, my mom is on 'Log Me In' so she can see what I'm doing. Basically, I have no space, and I'm 17.
This post sounds like someone who thought they didn't get a fair shake as a child. Hence the previously bolded line. The post you replied to takes a proactive approach to parenting (life?) and you would have them take a reactive roll. That is, only interfere when you absolutely HAVE to. Quite frankly, it sounds like the bratty kid has parents like you would like to have, and the OP has the other kind of parents. Mostly anecdotal, but most children who act like the bratty kid had parents that "allowed space and personal growth", and kids like this (conscientious and thoughtful) had parents who knew that wasn't all there was to it. Sometimes, its really our house our rules.
Believe it or not, parents are actually there to train and instruct. Parents throughout the animal kingdom do exactly this. We're the only kind that has decided that we need to debate the merits of it...
Actually, I did pretty good as a child, and now I'm a pretty level headed adult. ..and yes, I favor a proactive approach as should any parent. Of course it doesn't always work and you're forced to be retroactive but they obviously (again, assuming the story is true) just slapped a punishment on him because they're lazy parents. The fact they didn't even read his logs is a nail in the coffin that sold me on his parent's "parenting" style.
What a parent should do:
Proactive:
- Constantly educate the child on right or wrong.
Retroactive:
- Listen to the child's side.
- Explain in deep detail why what he did was wrong. Take your time, let him vent, reexplain. Then, decide based on how he reacts to your explanations, how much to punish the child. Assuming punishment is still necessary.
This is what his parents (Presumably) did:
- Heard another parent complain his brat kid got banned from MC.
- Punished child.
- Ignored any/all attempts for reasoning.
- Failed as a parent, and did not actually educate the child on anything. Just made him mad, and upset. Now he feels hurt and has learned nothing. (Assuming something needed to be learned)
Honestly think of it like this, if they ran a server and had rules they would enforce them. So tell them how would you like it if someone were to do something that broke your rules? Maybe they will be in your shoes and realize they wouldn't want to be treated like that
Honestly think of it like this, if they ran a server and had rules they would enforce them. So tell them how would you like it if someone were to do something that broke your rules? Maybe they will be in your shoes and realize they wouldn't want to be treated like that
YES. DO THIS.
Pischankun, you have got the right idea, good sir.
Actually, I did pretty good as a child, and now I'm a pretty level headed adult. ..and yes, I favor a proactive approach as should any parent. Of course it doesn't always work and you're forced to be retroactive but they obviously (again, assuming the story is true) just slapped a punishment on him because they're lazy parents. The fact they didn't even read his logs is a nail in the coffin that sold me on his parent's "parenting" style.
What a parent should do:
Proactive:
- Constantly educate the child on right or wrong.
Retroactive:
- Listen to the child's side.
- Explain in deep detail why what he did was wrong. Take your time, let him vent, reexplain. Then, decide based on how he reacts to your explanations, how much to punish the child. Assuming punishment is still necessary.
This is what his parents (Presumably) did:
- Heard another parent complain his brat kid got banned from MC.
- Punished child.
- Ignored any/all attempts for reasoning.
- Failed as a parent, and did not actually educate the child on anything. Just made him mad, and upset. Now he feels hurt and has learned nothing. (Assuming something needed to be learned)
...and should get hit by a bus?
That's a LOT of assumptions for one little blurb from the kid's perspective. I'm not faulting him; I'm just not making any accusations without any information. Your response suggests to me SOMETHING is making you assume the worst. I just wonder what it is/was...
In real life, children are expected not to exclude other kids from their group, especially with kids that are already in the group. If one of those kids is a bit difficult to deal with, you peacefully talk about the issue, getting parents involved if it is a tricky one, and then keep playing together. Completely excluding that kid from the group absolutely would be considered bullying.
What part of being on Minecraft do you think makes your social obligations any different? The OP's immediate reaction was to exclude (ban) the kid for doing something he didn't like, when he should have instead talked to him about it, either on Minecraft or in person.
Lots of people are supporting the OP because they would ban someone for griefing one time, but those bans are done because of the threat of actual griefers who legitimately want to ruin the server for everyone. This kid was certainly not planning to destroy everything, therefore banning him was an overreaction and an exclusion. If he had been running around blowing up TNT everywhere after being told to stop, then it would have been completely justified.
You know....every time you run a server there's a log that keeps track of player chat and actions.
Could have used that for your defense, but it clears when you start a new session so...
It also saves a .txt file of EVERYTHING that is said on the server. Of course, you may be accused of editing it but you could just bring in witnesses to back you up.
I do agree with the point thebetter1 makes, the kid probably wasn't being malicious. probably. Deop him? Definitely. Ban him permanently? ...Maybe a little extreme. If he continues to be a pain confront him in real life and make backups often.
I was reading your post
This has nothing to do with the OP
Kid you just be trying to start a flame war. Go fail troll elsewhere
Explain to your parents that what they did was wrong, and that he was ruining the experience for not only you but hurting your server and its visitors. If they don't listen to that, I'd personally give up on them and just sever as much connection with them as humanly possible; you don't want to be around people like that.
Break the furniture, then get your brother kicked out of the house after he tries to tell on you.
While your opinion is appreciated, sharing it is not.
Please take your aggression elsewhere.
Show the forum page to your parents. then theyll see that everyone agrees that your friends little brother deserves to be banned permantnly and you should be able to use your computer. explain to them that you were being exceptionally nice under the circumstances. most server hosts are much meaner. my friend banned me and my other friend for a week for accidently blowing part of a village up and we even fixed it. and we didnt complain. that kid is a spoiled brat. you should ban him.
This. Seriously.
Their house, their rules; the sooner you get used to that the better. You're not being abused, you're being what passes for grounded in this time and age; they may or may not be unfair with the punishment but that's not something a group of strangers on a web site is going to be able to say. And for gods sake don't go showing them a forum topic whining about it if you don't want it expanded to two months; talk with them about your side respectfully, but if they don't relent let it go. One month won't kill you; you've got a lot of years of life ahead of you :smile.gif:
Advice from a parent, not a fellow whatever-year old :smile.gif:
As a fellow adult, I disagree with you. Parents can be uneducated jackasses all the time and a majority of them have no clue what being a parent means. They just figure it means "Kid does what I say or else" and have no clue how to actually educate them on right and wrong, they just simply slap a punishment on them to get them out of their hair, sometimes not even explaining the punishment.
While we don't know his side of the story, he does seem like your typical kid who got the short end of the stick. Just "obeying" is not the answer. If his parents are wrong, he needs to find a respectable way to inform them of that. The server logs should have been enough, the fact they were not shows how ignorant his parents are. If there's one thing in life I absolutely hate it's parents who think they own their children, instead of allowing their kids some space and personal growth they just tell them what to do and expect them to listen "or else".
Assuming what his kid is saying is true, his parents are the kind I'd like to line up and run over with a bus, twice to make sure the job is done. Parents should listen to both sides of the story and analyze evidence on both sides. Not just take a fellow parent's word for it and ignore the kid's story.
*if* everything the OP said is true, these parents need to be backhanded by a real adults, because they obviously have no clue how to parent.
What's in bold is exactly what my parents do. I hate it.
Also, whenever I have a quarrel on Minecraft, my parents tell me to get off and do something else. They act like I'm supposed to do every little thing, can't my brother do something for once?
This post sounds like someone who thought they didn't get a fair shake as a child. Hence the previously bolded line. The post you replied to takes a proactive approach to parenting (life?) and you would have them take a reactive roll. That is, only interfere when you absolutely HAVE to. Quite frankly, it sounds like the bratty kid has parents like you would like to have, and the OP has the other kind of parents. Mostly anecdotal, but most children who act like the bratty kid had parents that "allowed space and personal growth", and kids like this (conscientious and thoughtful) had parents who knew that wasn't all there was to it. Sometimes, its really our house our rules.
Believe it or not, parents are actually there to train and instruct. Parents throughout the animal kingdom do exactly this. We're the only kind that has decided that we need to debate the merits of it...
We're not saying allow them to do whatever they want and get their way, we're saying at least let them Have some space. When I go to the mall, my mom's following us some way behind. When I'm on the computer, my mom is on 'Log Me In' so she can see what I'm doing. Basically, I have no space, and I'm 17.
Actually, I did pretty good as a child, and now I'm a pretty level headed adult. ..and yes, I favor a proactive approach as should any parent. Of course it doesn't always work and you're forced to be retroactive but they obviously (again, assuming the story is true) just slapped a punishment on him because they're lazy parents. The fact they didn't even read his logs is a nail in the coffin that sold me on his parent's "parenting" style.
What a parent should do:
Proactive:
- Constantly educate the child on right or wrong.
Retroactive:
- Listen to the child's side.
- Explain in deep detail why what he did was wrong. Take your time, let him vent, reexplain. Then, decide based on how he reacts to your explanations, how much to punish the child. Assuming punishment is still necessary.
This is what his parents (Presumably) did:
- Heard another parent complain his brat kid got banned from MC.
- Punished child.
- Ignored any/all attempts for reasoning.
- Failed as a parent, and did not actually educate the child on anything. Just made him mad, and upset. Now he feels hurt and has learned nothing. (Assuming something needed to be learned)
YES. DO THIS.
Pischankun, you have got the right idea, good sir.
...and should get hit by a bus?
That's a LOT of assumptions for one little blurb from the kid's perspective. I'm not faulting him; I'm just not making any accusations without any information. Your response suggests to me SOMETHING is making you assume the worst. I just wonder what it is/was...
What part of being on Minecraft do you think makes your social obligations any different? The OP's immediate reaction was to exclude (ban) the kid for doing something he didn't like, when he should have instead talked to him about it, either on Minecraft or in person.
Lots of people are supporting the OP because they would ban someone for griefing one time, but those bans are done because of the threat of actual griefers who legitimately want to ruin the server for everyone. This kid was certainly not planning to destroy everything, therefore banning him was an overreaction and an exclusion. If he had been running around blowing up TNT everywhere after being told to stop, then it would have been completely justified.
It also saves a .txt file of EVERYTHING that is said on the server. Of course, you may be accused of editing it but you could just bring in witnesses to back you up.
I do agree with the point thebetter1 makes, the kid probably wasn't being malicious. probably. Deop him? Definitely. Ban him permanently? ...Maybe a little extreme. If he continues to be a pain confront him in real life and make backups often.