If, however, November 11 roles around and the game isn't what it was promised to be, I will have been justified in everything I have said up to this point.
And to note, I am not a hater. As Beltir pointed out, I quite love this game, but what I love more is the POTENTIAL it had from the promises Notch has made. When your a game developer, you simply CANNOT make promises because as soon as you do, and you reneg on them, your credibility is ruined and the community will hate you for it. Because of this, I hold him to his promises to release, by November 11:
1. Dragons
2. Dwarves
3. NPC's
4. Guilds
5. Trading
6. Economy
7. Quests
8. Villages
9. Pigmen
10. Flying transportation
11. Other modes, a new Classic mode especially
Also, I would like to point out, both me and DaBiggman have stated, if things do start looking better, we will be happy to change what we say. And something about prancing naked, but I wont go into detail.
As for this list, I would love to see even half of this working their way into the game over the next few months, but they seem to have been either forgotten or ignored.
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Back, surprised we got to 6 pages. Unfortunately, people still come here to flame at the main discussers (if that's even a word) without even a glance at the OP.
On an unrelated note, here's something that made me happy.
Quote from The Word of Notch »
I’m currently working on 1.6, which will be mostly a bug fix update.
@ez: If I dare speak on behalf of most of the community - it's not mostly features that everybody wants. Save for the preteens who don't understand the severity of bugs and just shout "YAY NEW STUFF" everytime there's a new update.
Features are nice, but only if there will be a slew of updates immediately after or the next day to remedy the inevitable bugs that follow. The last 2-3 updates have dumped more bugs in the game than actual features, so it's nice to be able to enjoy said features as they were intended, bug-free.
It's like having one of those chinese carnival dragons and telling the guys at the back end to go make coffee, leaving the dragon to drag its ass around and mess up the carnival.
OP really comes off like a spoiled little 10 year old brat with an over active sense of entitlement and I'm sure Notch & team are taking this thread with as much seriousness as it deserves: ie none.
I like how people are telling people they have no right to complain/anything like this were a MMO game. I didn't sign a ToS to buy the game, the developer has pretty much set themselves up for it.
Anyways, to the topic. I think paying to mod is probably going to be a major break or make. For $5, it's reasonable and I'm sure the people who actually make good mods will probably do some good. I see a lot of mods going up just to rot, and that's my only negative to the arguement, yet to an extent-A mod rots itself.
Hey, another topic which blames Notch. How funny is that?
Kid...
Funny nothing. I am disappointed too, but about other things.
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"When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"
―Cave Johnson
OP really comes off like a spoiled little 10 year old brat with an over active sense of entitlement and I'm sure Notch & team are taking this thread with as much seriousness as it deserves: ie none.
It's like having one of those chinese carnival dragons and telling the guys at the back end to go make coffee, leaving the dragon to drag its ass around and mess up the carnival.
I still enjoy the fact that you keep coming back to chastise people for not addressing your OP, when you yourself refuse to address any arguments other than telling people they're not talking about the OP. So again, I ask you SergeantLeper, please say why Notch's original plan, to offer a premium version of modding at cost and support those mods in an official manner, while still allowing the current modding system that is in place to continue, would in some way be a bad thing.
Because in my mind any sort of official support for a modding community from a developer can only be seen as a positive, even if they charge money for that support. Which is perfectly understandable seeing as they're offering an extra service that they do not need to provide whatsoever seeing as most games do not.
Where the hell did you get that fake quote from? Get the **** out. Quoting someone is one thing, but then creating a fake quote to slander someone is ACTUALLY ILLEGAL in the United States. Falsifying written word is called Libel and carries HEAVY fines. Have fun in the future.
You seem to be trying very hard to make yourself look like a fool.
to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others.
His "quote" was solely for the purpose of attacking his reputation.
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Alright, no more insulting others. Regardless of opinion, let's just get back on topic and ignore people that come on here seeking to insult me or others.
It's like having one of those chinese carnival dragons and telling the guys at the back end to go make coffee, leaving the dragon to drag its ass around and mess up the carnival.
Notch doesn't want to spend months writing a mod API that woudn't encompass everything every mod could do and that wouldn't please most of the modding community. He's offering it for free if he does release it anyway. What's to be disappointed about?
I find it amazing how people can complain so much about five dollars.
Even more so, when it's justified.
The five dollar fee helps stop malicious code, and helps create quality mods.
And I guess I'm not angry so much that it's going to be free now, but instead just at how disgusting the community is for freaking out so much over half a pack of cigarettes. Or one fifth of a nice meal. Or two energy drinks and a kitkat.
I find it amazing how people can complain so much about five dollars.
Even more so, when it's justified.
The five dollar fee helps stop malicious code, and helps create quality mods.
And I guess I'm not angry so much that it's going to be free now, but instead just at how disgusting the community is for freaking out so much over half a pack of cigarettes. Or one fifth of a nice meal. Or two energy drinks and a kitkat.
Quality mods are created free of cost, and distributed free of cost.
Do all of you seem to forget the amazing mods made for Oblivion, Fallout 3 and 4?
Not saying qualtiy mods won't be made, but instead, a free source code opens the door to malicous code over hundreds of free accounts. And having to push your way through the pile of crap mods that are created, simply because the code is free, to find the few good ones.
I find it amazing how people can complain so much about five dollars.
Even more so, when it's justified.
The five dollar fee helps stop malicious code, and helps create quality mods.
And I guess I'm not angry so much that it's going to be free now, but instead just at how disgusting the community is for freaking out so much over half a pack of cigarettes. Or one fifth of a nice meal. Or two energy drinks and a kitkat.
I can definitely agree with you on one thing, the community reaction to the fee was insane. A lot of people jumped to the conclusion that this was some sort of money-grab effort, rather than seeing it as a quality assurance measure. In my opinion, however, this idea is a lot better in theory than it would be in practice, for a couple reasons.
1) If the fee is low enough to not deter any serious mod developers from purchasing the code, then it's probably to low to really prevent a lot of malicious coders from purchasing it. You'd think people wouldn't be willing to pay real money just to be trolls, but you'd be surprised.
2) If the fee is high enough to prevent malicious coders and trolls from getting it, then it's probably too much money for a fair amount of "Serious modders" to be able to get it either.
There probably isn't a perfect solution to this, but depending on what this license turns out to be, this might be the best possible way. I'd like to hear from the actual mod developers on what they think of this. Most of the complaints from the community seems to be coming from people who will never even think about getting into modding...
I find it amazing how people can complain so much about five dollars.
Even more so, when it's justified.
The five dollar fee helps stop malicious code, and helps create quality mods.
And I guess I'm not angry so much that it's going to be free now, but instead just at how disgusting the community is for freaking out so much over half a pack of cigarettes. Or one fifth of a nice meal. Or two energy drinks and a kitkat.
I can definitely agree with you on one thing, the community reaction to the fee was insane. A lot of people jumped to the conclusion that this was some sort of money-grab effort, rather than seeing it as a quality assurance measure. In my opinion, however, this idea is a lot better in theory than it would be in practice, for a couple reasons.
1) If the fee is low enough to not deter any serious mod developers from purchasing the code, then it's probably to low to really prevent a lot of malicious coders from purchasing it. You'd think people wouldn't be willing to pay real money just to be trolls, but you'd be surprised.
2) If the fee is high enough to prevent malicious coders and trolls from getting it, then it's probably too much money for a fair amount of "Serious modders" to be able to get it either.
There probably isn't a perfect solution to this, but depending on what this license turns out to be, this might be the best possible way. I'd like to hear from the actual mod developers on what they think of this. Most of the complaints from the community seems to be coming from people who will never even think about getting into modding...
I feel five dollars was an acceptable price, though. Yeah, you'll still get trolls, you'll still get malicous code. But nowhere near as much. Kids aren't going to drop 100 dollars just to get only 20 versions of their mod that deletes your core files, because the way malicious code thrives is by being mass produced.
And on the other side, like I said, anyone serious about making a good mod won't think twice about five dollars. If you have the time to make a good mod for minecraft, you can't honestly say you don't have access to five dollars.
Let us be reality here, 95% of my posts are about how annoyed I am with Mojang, but I don't find anything wrong with this new idea (now that it's free).
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"When we release a pure bugfix update, people get VERY upset ("NOTHING CHANGED!").. Adding features gives us much happier users. But I do realize that it's only happier users in the short term." - Notch
If any other company had proposed the same idea of a cost license for modding, I would be willing to bet 99% of the people defending the idea here for Mojang would be up in arms against it.
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Retired StaffAlso, I would like to point out, both me and DaBiggman have stated, if things do start looking better, we will be happy to change what we say. And something about prancing naked, but I wont go into detail.
As for this list, I would love to see even half of this working their way into the game over the next few months, but they seem to have been either forgotten or ignored.
It's hard to follow your dreams when you run from your nightmares. --
..potential, describe say a flower to someone who has never seen a flower before, they will think of something different to what it is.
and i agree with Mugros most of the things you mentioned(and linked) are not confirmed promises...
On an unrelated note, here's something that made me happy.
@ez: If I dare speak on behalf of most of the community - it's not mostly features that everybody wants. Save for the preteens who don't understand the severity of bugs and just shout "YAY NEW STUFF" everytime there's a new update.
Features are nice, but only if there will be a slew of updates immediately after or the next day to remedy the inevitable bugs that follow. The last 2-3 updates have dumped more bugs in the game than actual features, so it's nice to be able to enjoy said features as they were intended, bug-free.
Steam ... SergeantLeper
Anyways, to the topic. I think paying to mod is probably going to be a major break or make. For $5, it's reasonable and I'm sure the people who actually make good mods will probably do some good. I see a lot of mods going up just to rot, and that's my only negative to the arguement, yet to an extent-A mod rots itself.
Kid...
Funny nothing. I am disappointed too, but about other things.
―Cave Johnson
Dare I ask why you think so?
Steam ... SergeantLeper
Because in my mind any sort of official support for a modding community from a developer can only be seen as a positive, even if they charge money for that support. Which is perfectly understandable seeing as they're offering an extra service that they do not need to provide whatsoever seeing as most games do not.
He's only one person and can't do everyone's bidding.
Please don't treat him with disrespect.
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Retired StaffI think this is the definition you are looking for.
His "quote" was solely for the purpose of attacking his reputation.
It's hard to follow your dreams when you run from your nightmares. --
Steam ... SergeantLeper
Even more so, when it's justified.
The five dollar fee helps stop malicious code, and helps create quality mods.
And I guess I'm not angry so much that it's going to be free now, but instead just at how disgusting the community is for freaking out so much over half a pack of cigarettes. Or one fifth of a nice meal. Or two energy drinks and a kitkat.
Not saying qualtiy mods won't be made, but instead, a free source code opens the door to malicous code over hundreds of free accounts. And having to push your way through the pile of crap mods that are created, simply because the code is free, to find the few good ones.
I can definitely agree with you on one thing, the community reaction to the fee was insane. A lot of people jumped to the conclusion that this was some sort of money-grab effort, rather than seeing it as a quality assurance measure. In my opinion, however, this idea is a lot better in theory than it would be in practice, for a couple reasons.
1) If the fee is low enough to not deter any serious mod developers from purchasing the code, then it's probably to low to really prevent a lot of malicious coders from purchasing it. You'd think people wouldn't be willing to pay real money just to be trolls, but you'd be surprised.
2) If the fee is high enough to prevent malicious coders and trolls from getting it, then it's probably too much money for a fair amount of "Serious modders" to be able to get it either.
There probably isn't a perfect solution to this, but depending on what this license turns out to be, this might be the best possible way. I'd like to hear from the actual mod developers on what they think of this. Most of the complaints from the community seems to be coming from people who will never even think about getting into modding...
I feel five dollars was an acceptable price, though. Yeah, you'll still get trolls, you'll still get malicous code. But nowhere near as much. Kids aren't going to drop 100 dollars just to get only 20 versions of their mod that deletes your core files, because the way malicious code thrives is by being mass produced.
And on the other side, like I said, anyone serious about making a good mod won't think twice about five dollars. If you have the time to make a good mod for minecraft, you can't honestly say you don't have access to five dollars.
"When we release a pure bugfix update, people get VERY upset ("NOTHING CHANGED!").. Adding features gives us much happier users. But I do realize that it's only happier users in the short term." - Notch