OP, I'd at least learn how the company works before you start pointing fingers.
Half of your argument was about the forum search being down, which has nothing to do with Mojang, since they don't run it. And while yes, Notch has been taking a lot of vacations, Jeb HAS been keeping at work, including completely new AI with the wolves and a new interface for the achievements.
Thank goodness, it's SkyPiercers in another dissenting opinion thread with her typical and predictable NDF red herrings
An entire patch has come and gone, as well as a few company vacations since you asked me whether I'd rather have broken Nether in SMP then or or wait until a later patch. Care to guess how much time Mojang spent on the Nether this patch cycle? Do you understand my point about Mojang's lack of prioritization yet? They spent all their time on pet doggies because of a chat with Peter Molyneux, and cookies because Notch is fat and likes sweets, rather than finally properly implementing features from 5 months ago. They didn't even complete everything they said they'd put in this patch. Do you understand? Or will you report my post to the mods again for using scary language that makes you look dumb and stuff? You probably don't even remember this discussion, and I probably shouldn't expect you to, since you don't seem like a person that likes to pay attention to reality.
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"When we release a pure bugfix update, people get VERY upset ("NOTHING CHANGED!").. Adding features gives us much happier users. But I do realize that it's only happier users in the short term." - Notch
Behold! Mojang has pushed out the update to appease you frothing manchildren, and unsurprisingly everything I said has come to pass: the forums have changed from rage over no new content to rageoverbrokennewcontent. Good job, entitled babies!
Behold! Mojang has pushed out the update to appease you frothing manchildren, and unsurprisingly everything I said has come to pass: the forums have changed from rage over no new content to rageoverbrokennewcontent. Good job, entitled babies!
im tired of saying things over and over again, so i will just quote other people.
This past decade, I've been noticing this phenomenon more and more where people who hold standards that deviate above the average are silenced and ridiculed while those with standards lower than average are viewed as benign, pleasant, and preferable. No wonder games, music, movies, and television are in such ****.
This past decade, I've been noticing this phenomenon more and more where people who hold standards that deviate above the average are silenced and ridiculed while those with standards lower than average are viewed as benign, pleasant, and preferable. No wonder games, music, movies, and television are in such ****.
My standards ARE high. I want a working game. Raging whiners here who have to have new **** and have to have it right damn now have helped precipitate the rollout of an update with a boatload of new bugs. And if you knew me at all you'd know I'm neither benign or pleasant.
Behold! Mojang has pushed out the update to appease you frothing manchildren, and unsurprisingly everything I said has come to pass: the forums have changed from rage over no new content to rageoverbrokennewcontent. Good job, entitled babies!
holy ****. are you stupid? how can you compare legitimate complaints about the game NOT WORKING AT ALL to RAGE? this has to be the most pathetic demonstration of fanboyism I've seen on these forums, right up there with Monkah_Boy asking us to vote for mojang against valve.
This past decade, I've been noticing this phenomenon more and more where people who hold standards that deviate above the average are silenced and ridiculed while those with standards lower than average are viewed as benign, pleasant, and preferable. No wonder games, music, movies, and television are in such ****.
My standards ARE high. I want a working game. Raging whiners here who have to have new **** and have to have it right damn now have helped precipitate the rollout of an update with a boatload of new bugs. And if you knew me at all you'd know I'm neither benign or pleasant.
why do you complain about people having high standards then?
everyone wants a working game, but dont forget the game is (or better, should) be under heavy developement, so bugfixes and content should come together. the 'raging whiners' how you call them know that.
the update we have now is not rushed, its just... lazy work. (notch doesnt care about 'rage whiners', so that hardly made him think 'OH GOD I WILL HAVE TO RUSH NOW!')
a month for achievements, beds for spawningpoints and a new mob with new ai.
modders who work alone made that in under a week each.
holy ****. are you stupid? how can you compare legitimate complaints about the game NOT WORKING AT ALL to RAGE? this has to be the most pathetic demonstration of fanboyism I've seen on these forums, right up there with Monkah_Boy asking us to vote for mojang against valve.
My point wasn't to attack the complaints about the game not working, my point was to attack the people clamoring for MORE CONTENT when they DAMN WELL KNOW by now that content updates break the game. They're complaining about not having achievements this update when an undertaking that large is a game-expansion scale project (witness: WOW: Wrath of the Lich King).
And I told you, I'm nota ****ingfanboy. I call ******** when I see it, and this time, the ******** is coming from the player end. YOU, on the other hand, are a reactionary doofus.
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why do you complain about people having high standards then?
everyone wants a working game, but dont forget the game is (or better, should) be under heavy developement, so bugfixes and content should come together. the 'raging whiners' how you call them know that.
the update we have now is not rushed, its just... lazy work. (notch doesnt care about 'rage whiners', so that hardly made him think 'OH GOD I WILL HAVE TO RUSH NOW!')
a month for achievements, beds for spawningpoints and a new mob with new ai.
modders who work alone made that in under a week each.
I'm going to explain something, and I'm going to use small words and a visual aid so that you can understand.
This is the engineering project triangle. The way it works is simple: any project is either fast, cheap, or good. You can pick two points for any one project.
Granted, during the early stages of Minecraft, somehow Notch managed to defy the triangle and deliver a product that was fast AND cheap AND very good. This is what is commonly known as a "miracle," and they typically only occur when the artist in question is inspired. We should all be very thankful for it.
Of late, though, it admittedly has shifted some. Notch's inspirational muse has moved on to other projects. No amount of screaming or whining is going to change that because inspiration is a fickle thing. Nonetheless, Minecraft has still shifted to an industrial development cycle, where the triangle is absolute.
We know that content updates are always going to be cheap. Unlike DLC released by the major game companies (which everyone seems to want Mojang to emulate, for some INSANE reason), they are free. Not only that, but the game itself only costs a fraction what the the likes of EA and company toss into the market.
This leaves us only two other options: fast and good; or in Minecraft terms, fast and "more content." What I'm attacking is those attacking Mojang for not occupying both those points. I am attacking this expectation, on the part of the player base that somehow feels entitled to it, that Notch and Mojang be a miracle factory that pumps out new, free and bug-free content on a weekly basis. That's a ridiculous and insane expectation, especially when new content is known to upset someone's house of cards, whether that's modding or SMP or whatever.
Your money bought content already produced, not future content. You are NOT entitled to that; it's a gift to you from Mojang. That's why the cost raises when the cycle shifts.
holy ****. are you stupid? how can you compare legitimate complaints about the game NOT WORKING AT ALL to RAGE? this has to be the most pathetic demonstration of fanboyism I've seen on these forums, right up there with Monkah_Boy asking us to vote for mojang against valve.
My point wasn't to attack the complaints about the game not working, my point was to attack the people clamoring for MORE CONTENT when they DAMN WELL KNOW by now that content updates break the game. They're complaining about not having achievements this update when an undertaking that large is a game-expansion scale project (witness: WOW: Wrath of the Lich King).
And I told you, I'm nota ****ingfanboy. I call ******** when I see it, and this time, the ******** is coming from the player end. YOU, on the other hand, are a reactionary doofus.
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why do you complain about people having high standards then?
everyone wants a working game, but dont forget the game is (or better, should) be under heavy developement, so bugfixes and content should come together. the 'raging whiners' how you call them know that.
the update we have now is not rushed, its just... lazy work. (notch doesnt care about 'rage whiners', so that hardly made him think 'OH GOD I WILL HAVE TO RUSH NOW!')
a month for achievements, beds for spawningpoints and a new mob with new ai.
modders who work alone made that in under a week each.
I'm going to explain something, and I'm going to use small words and a visual aid so that you can understand.
This is the engineering project triangle. The way it works is simple: any project is either fast, cheap, or good. You can pick two points for any one project.
Granted, during the early stages of Minecraft, somehow Notch managed to defy the triangle and deliver a product that was fast AND cheap AND very good. This is what is commonly known as a "miracle," and they typically only occur when the artist in question is inspired. We should all be very thankful for it.
Of late, though, it admittedly has shifted some. Notch's inspirational muse has moved on to other projects. No amount of screaming or whining is going to change that because inspiration is a fickle thing. Nonetheless, Minecraft has still shifted to an industrial development cycle, where the triangle is absolute.
We know that content updates are always going to be cheap. Unlike DLC released by the major game companies (which everyone seems to want Mojang to emulate, for some INSANE reason), they are free. Not only that, but the game itself only costs a fraction what the the likes of EA and company toss into the market.
This leaves us only two other options: fast and good; or in Minecraft terms, fast and "more content." What I'm attacking is those attacking Mojang for not occupying both those points. I am attacking this expectation, on the part of the player base that somehow feels entitled to it, that Notch and Mojang be a miracle factory that pumps out new, free and bug-free content on a weekly basis. That's a ridiculous and insane expectation, especially when new content is known to upset someone's house of cards, whether that's modding or SMP or whatever.
Your money bought content already produced, not future content. You are NOT entitled to that; it's a gift to you from Mojang. That's why the cost raises when the cycle shifts.
Its funny because that was on an episode of Everybody Hates Chris.
The irony is that the server was down because of a new update. That's funny!
the irony is that notch promised achievements and stats, and yet again he didnt hold his promise! Its funny because this needs to change!
He couldn't get them to work perfectly. Had he added them, I am 100% sure people like you would ***** at him for some retarded reason anyways.
He adds them, you ***** about how stupid they are or they break something.
He doesn't add them, you ***** about him not adding the things he promised.
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The next time an authority asks me, "What could possibly have given you such a lack of respect for the value of human life?" I will respond, "Sir, have you even BEEN to the internet?"
Christ People. it's 20$. "Us as paying customers deserve more" is a fallacious argument because as paying customers we paid 20$ and weren't promised a ****ing thing. People keep using this phrase "he promised us this" and "he promised us that" when neither he- nor anyone - promised a damned thing. Saying "I think I might decide to probably add" or something to that effect doesn't constitute a "promise". That's a load of ****. Yes, on the purchase screen it says you will get all future updates, but it makes no promise- neither express or implied- that there will be any updates at all, nor is any promise made saying what those updates will contain.
Personally, as far as I'm concerned, I bought the game as it was in Alpha 1.2.5. I thought it was awesome then, so I bought it. End of story. I really didn't even <know> I would get free updates nor did I expect to. Even as it was as an Alpha I feel I got more then my money's worth. Hell I played that first world far more then I played crysis, and you don't see me bitching at crytek for not really liking a game I paid... well, actually, I forget how much it cost me. definitely more then 20 dollars though. Just the time it took me trying to build my first portal gave me several fold more entertainment, frustration, and what I like to call a "nintendo hard" experience. With crysis- or really any modern FPS game, it goes like this:
"Oh **** I died. F9. Now I'm back where I was 10 seconds ago. I'll just go this other way"
with minecraft, you can't just save state or save your game anywhere. It's saving all the damned time. I tried to circumvent it a few times by ending it's process, but the game is a crafty bugger and saved when I died. I mean you can get around it with invedit and nbtedit but it is that quality of "when **** happens, it happens for good" that made the game far more entertaining then the savestate whoring that is most other FPS games. And it works better then savepoints, which never fail to **** me off in any game.
As for updates, look at it this way- Windows Update and the various update & package managers on other OS's practically never add any significant functionality. (well, exceptions can be made for package managers since you can get some kickass stuff but those aren't part of the core OS as it comes) You don't download an update and go "holy **** everything is now in holographic 3-D and it supports a brain interface if I shove the mouse up my ass" well, you might, but it won't work, and if you're mouse is force feedback you need help. In any case an update is just that- an update. You want more content? That's what is called a "expansion pack" for games. You need to download these applications and tools separately. Why people expect different from games like minecraft never ceases to amaze me. I mean, I love industrialcraft and plasticCraft, and the minimap, but I'd never expect or like them to be added to the main game, because not everybody uses, or even likes, those mods. Customizing the game using your favourite mods- (and there are mods for everything ,even the stuff people constantly beg be added to the standard game as if the fact that they themselves like that mod means everybody should be willing to **** their best pair of pants to have it in the standard game), is, in a way, part of the game; and that isn't much different from any other game. On that note I don't think wolves really fit in with the "base" install of minecraft and would fit better as a mod (for those who don't like the idea of tamable animals" so that sort of sends a mixed message, but what's done is done.
Its funny because that was on an episode of Everybody Hates Chris.
What the hell does that have to do with anything, aside from state that your only response to my argument is "lol it was on this crummy sitcom, durrrrrr"
Its funny because that was on an episode of Everybody Hates Chris.
What the hell does that have to do with anything, aside from state that your only response to my argument is "lol it was on this crummy sitcom, durrrrrr"
SIMPSONS DID IT SIMPSONS DID IT
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The next time an authority asks me, "What could possibly have given you such a lack of respect for the value of human life?" I will respond, "Sir, have you even BEEN to the internet?"
This is the engineering project triangle. The way it works is simple: any project is either fast, cheap, or good. You can pick two points for any one project.
Granted, during the early stages of Minecraft, somehow Notch managed to defy the triangle and deliver a product that was fast AND cheap AND very good.
Good job, you've immediately contradicted your own point and registered it moot.
This is the engineering project triangle. The way it works is simple: any project is either fast, cheap, or good. You can pick two points for any one project.
Granted, during the early stages of Minecraft, somehow Notch managed to defy the triangle and deliver a product that was fast AND cheap AND very good.
Good job, you've immediately contradicted your own point and registered it moot.
He's created a paradox! The world will now cease to exist as we know it.
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The next time an authority asks me, "What could possibly have given you such a lack of respect for the value of human life?" I will respond, "Sir, have you even BEEN to the internet?"
Good job, you've immediately contradicted your own point and registered it moot.
Read the rest of the post, numnuts.
It's telling that the only thing you idiot whiners can come up with against my argument is
a) It was in a sitcom!
:cool.gif: Cherry-picking specific parts to prove the entire argument wrong, while ignoring the outline of the rest of the argument which addresses the point you picked
I read the rest of your post. It doesn't really change the fact that your entire point was based around the premise that a company cannot put out something that is cheap and good, at a fast pace. But then you IMMEDIATELY prove an example of not only can a company do it, not only can ONE GUY do it, but the EXACT guy we are trying to arguing can't do it ACTUALLY HAS done it.
I read the rest of your post. It doesn't really change the fact that your entire point was based around the premise that a company cannot put out something that is cheap and good, at a fast pace. But then you IMMEDIATELY prove an example of not only can a company do it, not only can ONE GUY do it, but the EXACT guy we are trying to arguing can't do it ACTUALLY HAS done it.
The argument was that early on, he was buoyed by his own inspiration as an artist. Now, he is getting inspired to do other things, and Minecraft has switched polarities from "inspired art" from Notch to "manufactured product" from Mojang, and as such, is now subject to the triangle.
the irony is that notch promised achievements and stats, and yet again he didnt hold his promise! Its funny because this needs to change!
We'll never get a quality gaming experience out of these guys...
Thank goodness, it's SkyPiercers in another dissenting opinion thread with her typical and predictable NDF red herrings
An entire patch has come and gone, as well as a few company vacations since you asked me whether I'd rather have broken Nether in SMP then or or wait until a later patch. Care to guess how much time Mojang spent on the Nether this patch cycle? Do you understand my point about Mojang's lack of prioritization yet? They spent all their time on pet doggies because of a chat with Peter Molyneux, and cookies because Notch is fat and likes sweets, rather than finally properly implementing features from 5 months ago. They didn't even complete everything they said they'd put in this patch. Do you understand? Or will you report my post to the mods again for using scary language that makes you look dumb and stuff? You probably don't even remember this discussion, and I probably shouldn't expect you to, since you don't seem like a person that likes to pay attention to reality.
"When we release a pure bugfix update, people get VERY upset ("NOTHING CHANGED!").. Adding features gives us much happier users. But I do realize that it's only happier users in the short term." - Notch
im tired of saying things over and over again, so i will just quote other people.
My standards ARE high. I want a working game. Raging whiners here who have to have new **** and have to have it right damn now have helped precipitate the rollout of an update with a boatload of new bugs. And if you knew me at all you'd know I'm neither benign or pleasant.
holy ****. are you stupid? how can you compare legitimate complaints about the game NOT WORKING AT ALL to RAGE? this has to be the most pathetic demonstration of fanboyism I've seen on these forums, right up there with Monkah_Boy asking us to vote for mojang against valve.
good job, mods, good job
why do you complain about people having high standards then?
everyone wants a working game, but dont forget the game is (or better, should) be under heavy developement, so bugfixes and content should come together. the 'raging whiners' how you call them know that.
the update we have now is not rushed, its just... lazy work. (notch doesnt care about 'rage whiners', so that hardly made him think 'OH GOD I WILL HAVE TO RUSH NOW!')
a month for achievements, beds for spawningpoints and a new mob with new ai.
modders who work alone made that in under a week each.
My point wasn't to attack the complaints about the game not working, my point was to attack the people clamoring for MORE CONTENT when they DAMN WELL KNOW by now that content updates break the game. They're complaining about not having achievements this update when an undertaking that large is a game-expansion scale project (witness: WOW: Wrath of the Lich King).
And I told you, I'm not a ****ing fanboy. I call ******** when I see it, and this time, the ******** is coming from the player end. YOU, on the other hand, are a reactionary doofus.
I'm going to explain something, and I'm going to use small words and a visual aid so that you can understand.
This is the engineering project triangle. The way it works is simple: any project is either fast, cheap, or good. You can pick two points for any one project.
Granted, during the early stages of Minecraft, somehow Notch managed to defy the triangle and deliver a product that was fast AND cheap AND very good. This is what is commonly known as a "miracle," and they typically only occur when the artist in question is inspired. We should all be very thankful for it.
Of late, though, it admittedly has shifted some. Notch's inspirational muse has moved on to other projects. No amount of screaming or whining is going to change that because inspiration is a fickle thing. Nonetheless, Minecraft has still shifted to an industrial development cycle, where the triangle is absolute.
We know that content updates are always going to be cheap. Unlike DLC released by the major game companies (which everyone seems to want Mojang to emulate, for some INSANE reason), they are free. Not only that, but the game itself only costs a fraction what the the likes of EA and company toss into the market.
This leaves us only two other options: fast and good; or in Minecraft terms, fast and "more content." What I'm attacking is those attacking Mojang for not occupying both those points. I am attacking this expectation, on the part of the player base that somehow feels entitled to it, that Notch and Mojang be a miracle factory that pumps out new, free and bug-free content on a weekly basis. That's a ridiculous and insane expectation, especially when new content is known to upset someone's house of cards, whether that's modding or SMP or whatever.
Your money bought content already produced, not future content. You are NOT entitled to that; it's a gift to you from Mojang. That's why the cost raises when the cycle shifts.
Its funny because that was on an episode of Everybody Hates Chris.
He couldn't get them to work perfectly. Had he added them, I am 100% sure people like you would ***** at him for some retarded reason anyways.
He adds them, you ***** about how stupid they are or they break something.
He doesn't add them, you ***** about him not adding the things he promised.
Personally, as far as I'm concerned, I bought the game as it was in Alpha 1.2.5. I thought it was awesome then, so I bought it. End of story. I really didn't even <know> I would get free updates nor did I expect to. Even as it was as an Alpha I feel I got more then my money's worth. Hell I played that first world far more then I played crysis, and you don't see me bitching at crytek for not really liking a game I paid... well, actually, I forget how much it cost me. definitely more then 20 dollars though. Just the time it took me trying to build my first portal gave me several fold more entertainment, frustration, and what I like to call a "nintendo hard" experience. With crysis- or really any modern FPS game, it goes like this:
"Oh **** I died. F9. Now I'm back where I was 10 seconds ago. I'll just go this other way"
with minecraft, you can't just save state or save your game anywhere. It's saving all the damned time. I tried to circumvent it a few times by ending it's process, but the game is a crafty bugger and saved when I died. I mean you can get around it with invedit and nbtedit but it is that quality of "when **** happens, it happens for good" that made the game far more entertaining then the savestate whoring that is most other FPS games. And it works better then savepoints, which never fail to **** me off in any game.
As for updates, look at it this way- Windows Update and the various update & package managers on other OS's practically never add any significant functionality. (well, exceptions can be made for package managers since you can get some kickass stuff but those aren't part of the core OS as it comes) You don't download an update and go "holy **** everything is now in holographic 3-D and it supports a brain interface if I shove the mouse up my ass" well, you might, but it won't work, and if you're mouse is force feedback you need help. In any case an update is just that- an update. You want more content? That's what is called a "expansion pack" for games. You need to download these applications and tools separately. Why people expect different from games like minecraft never ceases to amaze me. I mean, I love industrialcraft and plasticCraft, and the minimap, but I'd never expect or like them to be added to the main game, because not everybody uses, or even likes, those mods. Customizing the game using your favourite mods- (and there are mods for everything ,even the stuff people constantly beg be added to the standard game as if the fact that they themselves like that mod means everybody should be willing to **** their best pair of pants to have it in the standard game), is, in a way, part of the game; and that isn't much different from any other game. On that note I don't think wolves really fit in with the "base" install of minecraft and would fit better as a mod (for those who don't like the idea of tamable animals" so that sort of sends a mixed message, but what's done is done.
What the hell does that have to do with anything, aside from state that your only response to my argument is "lol it was on this crummy sitcom, durrrrrr"
SIMPSONS DID IT SIMPSONS DID IT
Good job, you've immediately contradicted your own point and registered it moot.
He's created a paradox! The world will now cease to exist as we know it.
Read the rest of the post, numnuts.
It's telling that the only thing you idiot whiners can come up with against my argument is
a) It was in a sitcom!
:cool.gif: Cherry-picking specific parts to prove the entire argument wrong, while ignoring the outline of the rest of the argument which addresses the point you picked
One more strike and you losers can call it a day.
The argument was that early on, he was buoyed by his own inspiration as an artist. Now, he is getting inspired to do other things, and Minecraft has switched polarities from "inspired art" from Notch to "manufactured product" from Mojang, and as such, is now subject to the triangle.