That's a load of ********. A simple gunpowder gun can be crafted by hand. Don't believe me? People build gunpowder firearms for a living. They build most of it out of wood, takes a long while to make one, though. The only difficult part would be the "lock" type, which would be a flintlock. Hey, even during the olden days in Colonial America, people would just go to the local gunsmith and have a gun built. The old muskets? The only complex ones were the various "locks" and if a flint lock seems to complex, always go more primitive with a matchlock. Gun powder? Not a super-complex recipe.
BUT: Muskets, due to their speed, aren't much better than a bow and arrow, or a crossbow.
On revolvers: Those would be difficult to manufacture, seeing as the number of people typically involved in the manufacture of one, and the equipment, etc.
I wouldn't mind primitive cannons and flintlocks, but definitely not "AK-47S SOE IZ KAN PWNZOR DEH CREEPAWS!!111!1!11!ELEVEN!1"
not an ak47 but the first revolver would be useable coz that was invented in 1830's and tnt was invented in 1860's so a colt revolver would be good for this especially if it had a slow 1 bullet at a time reload
Well, I think calling the block we use TNT is a bit of a mistake. TNT(aka Dynamite) is not made of sulfur. In fact, sulfur on it's own isn't even an explosive. TNT is actually made of a chemical compound known as nitroglycerin, absorbed by another, non-explosive material, such as sawdust or a kind of very fine sand called diatomaceous earth, then rolled into sticks and held together by thick paper.
Sulfur can also be explosive, but only when mixed with equal parts charcoal and saltpeter. This is what we know as "black powder". Initially discovered by the Chinese sometime around the ninth century, much earlier then TNT.
Secondly, why would a revolver fire one bullet and then have to reload? The point of a revolver is to negate that very problem. Revolvers can fire 6-8 shots without reloading. This is why I vote for flintlocks being the most advanced weapons available in the game, if Notch even adds firearms.
i ment 1 bullet at a time because i ment fire off all the rounds then it reloads slowly by adding 1 bullet at a time to the chamber
There is already a very nice looking Gun Mod (SDK Gun Mod) being made, which is where I think modern guns should be kept.
For Minecraft, a nice Flintlock and Musket would be very nice to have along with the current Bow and perhaps add a Crossbow too. I just personally find the Flintlock+Musket to be in fitting with Minecraft compared to even the Revolver, which I would prefer to see in a Mod instead.
One day, I want to go through the server list and see: Westerncraft, Halocraft, Zeldacraft, Warcraftcraft (lol), ect.
That way, I can use one of my favorite games to play even more awesome games. How can you get bored of a game when its like 50 games in one, and made of cubes!
Guns would ruin the games fun. If you look at bows, their arrows can only fly for a certain distance before falling. You also have to aim properly so that the arrow hits your target rather than falls to the ground in front of your target. With a gun, the bullet doesn't fall to the ground after a short distance, due to the amount of speed the bullet has it flys for far longer(It flys at such a speed there won't be much of a drop in height before it hits something).
It then makes it less about who has the most skill (Talking about multiplayer PVP) and more about who can fire the first shot.
In any case, making a gun wouldn't be simple for someone stranded on an island with nothing but his bare hands.
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in my opinion (ive said it. This is an OPINION)
Guns aren't a bad idea, just unrealistic in terms of the simplicity and physics of the game.
But it would be something new to the bland combat sytem.
There are many ******** comments saying guns are overpowered and make the game easy.
If you make it craftable by dirt, have infinite durability and insta kill, sure it'll be overpowered.
But if the guns were hard to craft, and balanced with the other weapons, it would be okay.
Notch already knows how he's going to design the game, and guns probably arent part of that plan.
Why do people adamantly resist the idea of a firearm in Minecraft?
Go back into your grand theft auto and war universes, GTA/CS fanboy. NO guns allowed and I support Markus on this one. The imbecilization of the youngsters is still in progress on other games but NOT in Minecraft.
Thats a huge generalization. One's interest in firearms may come from many other things such as history, movies, artwork and many other things other than violent video games. I think that was a bit harsh on OP.
As we now have an arrow firing dispenser, I'd like to see stones too. So you can fire out little pellets. However, other than cannon balls, for TNT style block damage at a distance, I see no need or room for guns in the gameplay.
TNT was a generalization of the Explosives, as most people think "TNT" or "Dynamite" if you say anything about explosives. You just need a way to pressurise air molocules to create an explosion.Little complexity is required. Guns are extremely complex, require multiple mechanisims. some knowledge or inspiration. Explosives have inspiration (from the Creepers) but Guns do not. Everyones idea for Guns does not equate to the true complexity of this instraument, and Notch has said not to it I think.
... Some of the arguments here against guns are just plain stupid. But its late and I'm tired so all I'm gonna say is this:
Notch won't add guns because he said he doesn't want to add much technology to the game... yet he gives players the ability to make computers.
All those talking about how guns are just too complex should go read the wiki article on "Gun" and go learn that guns are pretty simple to make, especially considering your player can craft working minecarts and tracks. All you need for a gun is explosives, a barrel and a projectile, we're not talking about a 1000 RPM gatling gun we are talking about something much simpler. I could go make an orange gun right now with a bit of PVC pipe, a barbecue lighter and a bit of engine start spray. I honestly don't see how this could affect gameplay in a bad way at all, considering one shot would not kill and it would be slow to reload, and definately no where near as over powered as the equivelant of the 1000RPM gatling gun we call the "bow"
Ok, so people still don't seem to get it. That's fine. I was a bit short on my last post. Allow me to try again.
We have this thing called a bow. We also have arrows. You use the bow to shoot arrows at things. A ranged weapon.
What would a gun do?
It would be called a gun. It would use some sort of ammo. You'd use the gun to shoot bullets at things. A ranged weapon.
You see now why we don't need it? We already have an item that fills the role of a ranged weapon very nicely. This has nothing to do with theme or time frame, etc etc. This has to do with redundancy in items.
Sure you could argue "but what about coal and charcoal?". A reasonable argument, but the reason for the addition of charcoal is because you'd eventually run out of coal, so Notch wanted to add another way to get an almost identical item, but you still had to work for it. (Growing trees takes time and patience, making getting charcoal a balanced alternative to coal.)
But, I'm getting off topic here. Guns are not needed. 1 melee weapon (sword) and 1 ranged weapon (bow) is enough.
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I feel like it wouldn't feel like minecraft. Minecraft to me is like the ages where there were no guns / complicated structurey stuff like the middle ages :3. Idk thats just my opinion.
I feel like it wouldn't feel like minecraft. Minecraft to me is like the ages where there were no guns / complicated structurey stuff like the middle ages :3. Idk thats just my opinion.
Go tell that to Mr. TNT and Miss Minecart System.
TNT is a Gernalization of Explosives.
Minecarts are simple, and have been used for a long time (and the powered minecart is just a simple steam engine, thats the ancient greeks could build.)
I honestly wouldn't mind the idea of cannons in the game, but guns wouldn't work because you could just spray the gun and a huge mob of enemies would be dead in a matter of seconds...it would ruin the mode. On servers though if you are able to do monster mobs and such you could probably do a gun mod, allowing guns to be created. I don't know if servers can even do these mods because I'm not really a player who plays online, so don't call me out on it lol.
That's a load of ********. A simple gunpowder gun can be crafted by hand. Don't believe me? People build gunpowder firearms for a living. They build most of it out of wood, takes a long while to make one, though. The only difficult part would be the "lock" type, which would be a flintlock. Hey, even during the olden days in Colonial America, people would just go to the local gunsmith and have a gun built. The old muskets? The only complex ones were the various "locks" and if a flint lock seems to complex, always go more primitive with a matchlock. Gun powder? Not a super-complex recipe.
BUT: Muskets, due to their speed, aren't much better than a bow and arrow, or a crossbow.
On revolvers: Those would be difficult to manufacture, seeing as the number of people typically involved in the manufacture of one, and the equipment, etc.
Bullets :
That would make probably x3 bullets or more ..
Now for the gun would be a long going process :
Like make a wooden base :
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Im only using ham because its an uknown figure/item .. This would look like a wooden gun base though ..
Then some metal for support? Idk how guns work lol :
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and then something else which someone could continue to make up :3
so it would be like this I guess?
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i ment 1 bullet at a time because i ment fire off all the rounds then it reloads slowly by adding 1 bullet at a time to the chamber
If it aint worth fixing dont fix it.
For Minecraft, a nice Flintlock and Musket would be very nice to have along with the current Bow and perhaps add a Crossbow too. I just personally find the Flintlock+Musket to be in fitting with Minecraft compared to even the Revolver, which I would prefer to see in a Mod instead.
One day, I want to go through the server list and see: Westerncraft, Halocraft, Zeldacraft, Warcraftcraft (lol), ect.
That way, I can use one of my favorite games to play even more awesome games. How can you get bored of a game when its like 50 games in one, and made of cubes!
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Seriously underrated mod.
It then makes it less about who has the most skill (Talking about multiplayer PVP) and more about who can fire the first shot.
In any case, making a gun wouldn't be simple for someone stranded on an island with nothing but his bare hands.
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Guns aren't a bad idea, just unrealistic in terms of the simplicity and physics of the game.
But it would be something new to the bland combat sytem.
There are many ******** comments saying guns are overpowered and make the game easy.
If you make it craftable by dirt, have infinite durability and insta kill, sure it'll be overpowered.
But if the guns were hard to craft, and balanced with the other weapons, it would be okay.
Notch already knows how he's going to design the game, and guns probably arent part of that plan.
Thats a huge generalization. One's interest in firearms may come from many other things such as history, movies, artwork and many other things other than violent video games. I think that was a bit harsh on OP.
I dont understand. Are you mocking me or agreeing with me?
Notch won't add guns because he said he doesn't want to add much technology to the game... yet he gives players the ability to make computers.
All those talking about how guns are just too complex should go read the wiki article on "Gun" and go learn that guns are pretty simple to make, especially considering your player can craft working minecarts and tracks. All you need for a gun is explosives, a barrel and a projectile, we're not talking about a 1000 RPM gatling gun we are talking about something much simpler. I could go make an orange gun right now with a bit of PVC pipe, a barbecue lighter and a bit of engine start spray. I honestly don't see how this could affect gameplay in a bad way at all, considering one shot would not kill and it would be slow to reload, and definately no where near as over powered as the equivelant of the 1000RPM gatling gun we call the "bow"
Im fine with medieval weapons.
We have this thing called a bow. We also have arrows. You use the bow to shoot arrows at things. A ranged weapon.
What would a gun do?
It would be called a gun. It would use some sort of ammo. You'd use the gun to shoot bullets at things. A ranged weapon.
You see now why we don't need it? We already have an item that fills the role of a ranged weapon very nicely. This has nothing to do with theme or time frame, etc etc. This has to do with redundancy in items.
Sure you could argue "but what about coal and charcoal?". A reasonable argument, but the reason for the addition of charcoal is because you'd eventually run out of coal, so Notch wanted to add another way to get an almost identical item, but you still had to work for it. (Growing trees takes time and patience, making getting charcoal a balanced alternative to coal.)
But, I'm getting off topic here. Guns are not needed. 1 melee weapon (sword) and 1 ranged weapon (bow) is enough.
Go tell that to Mr. TNT and Miss Minecart System.
TNT is a Gernalization of Explosives.
Minecarts are simple, and have been used for a long time (and the powered minecart is just a simple steam engine, thats the ancient greeks could build.)