i have to point out one thing that sure bugged me a few days back. viewtopic.php?id=3431
at that topic post #7
Stegriff says
O.P needs to chill out, btw. From the sounds of it, it's a saved gold pyramid. How often do you go and admire it? Is it degrading your quality of life?
Notice he says how often do you admire it and is it degrading your quality of life. The same damn thing can be said for griefing in general. when people grief does it really upset you and you quality of life. no it doesn't. And really guys when you build how often do you admire your creation before it gets griefed. none. i've seen many times where a person was griefed but didnt really realize anything was different becasue he never took the time to enjoy his art. noone admires thier buildings they just move on to the next project. So really griefing is still bad but whining about it doesn't help and like you really even care.
i've seen many times where a person was griefed but didnt really realize anything was different becasue he never took the time to enjoy his art. noone admires thier buildings they just move on to the next project.
Waaah, people don't stare at buildings.
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So really griefing is still bad but whining about it doesn't help and like you really even care.
I actually agree with you here. Rather than throwing hissies every time some loser smashes their tower, they need to remember it's a game, and there are probably bored people looking for a project who would be happy to help them fix it. Griefing isn't nearly as big a deal as people make it out to be, and it shouldn't be the focus of every argument. The game is about building, and we never talk about that here. Every disagreement revolves around the idea that so-and-so block could be exploited by griefers. Everything can be exploited by griefers, and you had better get used to it, Sally.
I feel poetic, so I'll post this in a rhyming scheme.
Oh, how many times have we been over this? Let me count the ways.
Just search the word grief,
And in one second, my chief,
You'll know exactly what it says.
The topics you'll encounter,
Most will involve this theme.
Through all 3 pages,
Going through the ages,
This thread has been split by the seem.
*bows*
See that link I posted up there, in my poem? I predict everyone involved in this thread will say exactly the same thing here.
I find the attitude that griefers have quite depressing. They do understand that they are getting a 5 minnute thrill in exchange for hours of work others have done.
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I disagree with you, therefore you are wrong.
Quality of output = Skill * Effort
I really don't care if something is griefed. You finish it, perhaps take some pictures, then go on. If its griefed, you either repair it or delete it, giving up space for new structures.
In my opinion, the issue of griefing means a lot more than a few wrecked buildings. Yes, it is an oft-overlooked structure, and few will care or notice when it disappears, but there is a bigger issue behind this, at least for me. As mail mentioned, that griefers aren't stereotypical "I WREKED YUR BULDIN LOLOL" people, they understand that they are destroying hours of work. I find it very depressing that people are taking a videogame made to create (notice it's CREATive mode, not DESTRUCTive mode), and using the tools it provides for destruction for personal enjoyment. That people enjoy angering others by destroying their hard work makes me sick, especially when the game provides the tools to create something that one can be proud of. Another issue is attention. My guess is that 90% of griefers are the one kid in class who gets in trouble all the time to get attention, because otherwise they are overlooked. All of the discussions on griefing, along with the reactions in-game, are the meat on which they thrive.
Another theory of mine is that griefers think they're getting more enjoyment out of the game by destroying things. This may be true in some cases, but I personally find that I feel much more accomplished after building a large tower than after destroying something of the same size. In fact, I find removal in minecraft to be tedious, boring work.
TL;DR: Griefing isn't about wrecking a few houses. It's about an emotional problem that causes people to gain enjoyment out of destroying others' work
@Animator: Ah, but I shall have the upper hand of saying the obvious first!
I find the purpose of many structures we make not so much to admire their finished state but to express creativity and individualism. These are not merely structures but manifestations of our creativity. Griefing isn't so much taking away hours of work as much as disrespecting our creativity and expressing the idea that it sucks.
I know for sure my structures hold little point in being completed.
And now with my halfassed attempt at philosophy done, I leave this thread to go fourth to it's destiny of repetition.
Think of mine craft like life, people come and then they go. This is the same for your buildings, if you build on multiplayer then be prepared to lose you work.
When I make ANYTHING in multiplayer I very much doubt it'll still be there the next day.
It's like erosion and stuff, griefing will never be stopped. So stop moaning and move onto the next project.
In my opinion, the issue of griefing means a lot more than a few wrecked buildings. Yes, it is an oft-overlooked structure, and few will care or notice when it disappears, but there is a bigger issue behind this, at least for me. As mail mentioned, that griefers aren't stereotypical "I WREKED YUR BULDIN LOLOL" people, they understand that they are destroying hours of work. I find it very depressing that people are taking a videogame made to create (notice it's CREATive mode, not DESTRUCTive mode), and using the tools it provides for destruction for personal enjoyment. That people enjoy angering others by destroying their hard work makes me sick, especially when the game provides the tools to create something that one can be proud of. Another issue is attention. My guess is that 90% of griefers are the one kid in class who gets in trouble all the time to get attention, because otherwise they are overlooked. All of the discussions on griefing, along with the reactions in-game, are the meat on which they thrive.
Another theory of mine is that griefers think they're getting more enjoyment out of the game by destroying things. This may be true in some cases, but I personally find that I feel much more accomplished after building a large tower than after destroying something of the same size. In fact, I find removal in minecraft to be tedious, boring work.
TL;DR: Griefing isn't about wrecking a few houses. It's about an emotional problem that causes people to gain enjoyment out of destroying others' work
Just my opinion.
The only two times I've griefed a video game, it was because the sever was run by 9-year-old douchebags who essentially constructed sentences out of various synonyms for "fag" and "****".
When I did it, the thrill was in part that I was getting revenge, and in part that... well, it feels kind of like a stealth game, only rather than the objective being "cap teh flag", it's something the other side genuinely cares about, meaning you get a real feeling of outfoxing them.
Not trying to defend griefer behavior, but I don't think every example of it is an emotional problem. You also have to consider the fact that half of them are complete idiots with the emotional capacity of a grapefruit who get a giggle out of breaking rules just because they're rules.
viewtopic.php?id=3431
at that topic post #7
Stegriff says
O.P needs to chill out, btw. From the sounds of it, it's a saved gold pyramid. How often do you go and admire it? Is it degrading your quality of life?
Notice he says how often do you admire it and is it degrading your quality of life. The same damn thing can be said for griefing in general. when people grief does it really upset you and you quality of life. no it doesn't. And really guys when you build how often do you admire your creation before it gets griefed. none. i've seen many times where a person was griefed but didnt really realize anything was different becasue he never took the time to enjoy his art. noone admires thier buildings they just move on to the next project. So really griefing is still bad but whining about it doesn't help and like you really even care.
Waaah, people don't stare at buildings.
I actually agree with you here. Rather than throwing hissies every time some loser smashes their tower, they need to remember it's a game, and there are probably bored people looking for a project who would be happy to help them fix it. Griefing isn't nearly as big a deal as people make it out to be, and it shouldn't be the focus of every argument. The game is about building, and we never talk about that here. Every disagreement revolves around the idea that so-and-so block could be exploited by griefers. Everything can be exploited by griefers, and you had better get used to it, Sally.
Oh, how many times have we been over this?
Let me count the ways.
Just search the word grief,
And in one second, my chief,
You'll know exactly what it says.
The topics you'll encounter,
Most will involve this theme.
Through all 3 pages,
Going through the ages,
This thread has been split by the seem.
*bows*
See that link I posted up there, in my poem? I predict everyone involved in this thread will say exactly the same thing here.
Quality of output = Skill * Effort
Another theory of mine is that griefers think they're getting more enjoyment out of the game by destroying things. This may be true in some cases, but I personally find that I feel much more accomplished after building a large tower than after destroying something of the same size. In fact, I find removal in minecraft to be tedious, boring work.
TL;DR: Griefing isn't about wrecking a few houses. It's about an emotional problem that causes people to gain enjoyment out of destroying others' work
Just my opinion.
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I find the purpose of many structures we make not so much to admire their finished state but to express creativity and individualism. These are not merely structures but manifestations of our creativity. Griefing isn't so much taking away hours of work as much as disrespecting our creativity and expressing the idea that it sucks.
I know for sure my structures hold little point in being completed.
And now with my halfassed attempt at philosophy done, I leave this thread to go fourth to it's destiny of repetition.
It's like erosion and stuff, griefing will never be stopped. So stop moaning and move onto the next project.
The only two times I've griefed a video game, it was because the sever was run by 9-year-old douchebags who essentially constructed sentences out of various synonyms for "fag" and "****".
When I did it, the thrill was in part that I was getting revenge, and in part that... well, it feels kind of like a stealth game, only rather than the objective being "cap teh flag", it's something the other side genuinely cares about, meaning you get a real feeling of outfoxing them.
Not trying to defend griefer behavior, but I don't think every example of it is an emotional problem. You also have to consider the fact that half of them are complete idiots with the emotional capacity of a grapefruit who get a giggle out of breaking rules just because they're rules.
Quality of output = Skill * Effort