You know since it's not a big problem, why don't I release the heartbeat faker open source for anyone to use? You know, because it's not a big problem and everyone is well aware of it and it's so easy to do that everyone already can make this themselves, right?
You're still going on about this? You just can't let it go, can you? Look, nobody cares. Nobody is impressed by this "exploit", which was already found a long time ago. Troll elsewhere.
"It's not a big problem, it is an annoyance though. If you release consider yourself banned."
Get real, you're telling me it's not a problem, but you don't want it released. pssh
If you just simply agree to me that it is in fact a problem and can be a huge problem if everyone gets a copy, why don't you want it released? Because lots of fake servers will be listed and that is in fact a PROBLEM, admit it.
"Gnarly stop making trouble. You know anyone interested can work it out with any well known packet sniffer. Nothing special."
This has nothing to do with the game protocol, meaning a packet sniffer will not work, all the heartbeat is, is a http post request that sends over the data, you could even do it by using a HTML form.
What would you do with a packet sniffer? Find out what data is being sent to the URL? Why would you need to do all that work when you can look into the server 'software' source to see the format and the elements.
Both methods are valid, and as you pointed out trivial. Not really worth getting everyone wound up for is it? I think what citric and everyone else is trying to avoid, is giving a tool to create fake servers and mess up all the stats to the same sort of people that enjoy greifing other peoples servers and just causing trouble. You must appreciate that on some level?
It is an annoyance in that it will annoy, it is not a problem in that it will cause problems. I don't see why you're so insistent that we accept it's a massive problem and the world is going to crumble. It isn't.
So please, cease with going on about it because really nobody actually cares, if they did they would have found it themselves - it's ridiculously easy to find how the heartbeats are transferred.
"It is an annoyance in that it will annoy, it is not a problem in that it will cause problems. I don't see why you're so insistent that we accept it's a massive problem and the world is going to crumble. It isn't.
So please, cease with going on about it because really nobody actually cares, if they did they would have found it themselves - it's ridiculously easy to find how the heartbeats are transferred."
I never once said it was a massive problem, it's a slight little problem, but it is in FACT a problem.
"Both methods are valid, and as you pointed out trivial. Not really worth getting everyone wound up for is it? I think what citric and everyone else is trying to avoid, is giving a tool to create fake servers and mess up all the stats to the same sort of people that enjoy greifing other peoples servers and just causing trouble. You must appreciate that on some level?"
"It's not a big problem, it is an annoyance though. If you release consider yourself banned."
Get real, you're telling me it's not a problem, but you don't want it released. pssh
If you just simply agree to me that it is in fact a problem and can be a huge problem if everyone gets a copy, why don't you want it released? Because lots of fake servers will be listed and that is in fact a PROBLEM, admit it.
Go ahead and release it... somewhere else. Not on the forums linked from the official game site. Release it here, and face a ban. Again, nobody cares, nobody is impressed. Hey look! I can make my server say it has 100 people! OMG!
Is it a problem? Yes, that's what we call a bug. Bugs are problems with the game, y'know. Is this particular bug worth all the moaning and yelling you're putting into it? No. There are far more important issues that need to be dealt with.
Thank you PuyoDead for finalling saying it is a problem/bug, might be a very small one at that, now it's citrics turn to say it, then I will stop with this.
I never once said it was a massive problem, it's a slight little problem, but it is in FACT a problem.
So what's all this then? We know it is a problem and we have repeatedly told you it's a problem, nobody has said it isn't, we are saying it's a small problem that isn't worth fussing over. Even you told us Notch knows about it so what are you damn well trying to achieve?
Please, explain why you're constantly bringing this up when by your own admission Notch already knows about this and so do we. Please, go on.
"Please, explain why you're constantly bringing this up when by your own admission Notch already knows about this and so do we. Please, go on."
Because Notch and me were talking about this subject once on IRC and I said to him that I was surprised that no one had faked it yet, he said that he knew that it was going to happen some day but for now no one is doing it so it's fine. This lead to the reason on why I made it, to his statement that no one has done it yet, now I have and now he has a reason for fixing it now.
"Please, explain why you're constantly bringing this up when by your own admission Notch already knows about this and so do we. Please, go on."
Because Notch and me were talking about this subject once on IRC and I said to him that I was surprised that no one had faked it yet, he said that he knew that it was going to happen some day but for now no one is doing it so it's fine. This lead to the reason on why I made it, to his statement that no one has done it yet, now I have and now he has a reason for fixing it now.
okay, have some bold so you get it into your head.
NOTCH IS NOT HERE, HE DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET AND MINECRAFT. HE CANNOT SEE ANYTHING YOU DO, I DO OR ANYONE DOES BECAUSE HE'S IN THE SEA WITH EZ. ANY PROBLEMS WE RAISE NOW CANNOT BE FIXED UNTIL HE RETURNS. HE IS ON A BOAT.
You have still not explained why you're doing all this. Why not wait until he's back and tell him then and show him you doing it? Why wait until he's not here and then go totally mad when we tell you it isn't a problem worth worrying about.
I know he isn't here right now, and the reasons I been doing it in the past is to test it after I made changes and to show people on MSN.
"You have still not explained why you're doing all this"
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"Because Notch and me were talking about this subject once on IRC and I said to him that I was surprised that no one had faked it yet, he said that he knew that it was going to happen some day but for now no one is doing it so it's fine. This lead to the reason on why I made it, to his statement that no one has done it yet, now I have and now he has a reason for fixing it now."
I know he isn't here right now, and the reasons I been doing it in the past is to test it after I made changes and to show people on MSN.
So to summarise: You wanted to show off.
okay great, now stop constantly pestering us with it. We have acknowledged it is a problem, but it is not a problem that is worth worrying about and it is not a problem we can fix. Stop showing off and wait for Notch to come back. Seriously, I'm so close to banning you.
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"You have still not explained why you're doing all this"
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"Because Notch and me were talking about this subject once on IRC and I said to him that I was surprised that no one had faked it yet, he said that he knew that it was going to happen some day but for now no one is doing it so it's fine. This lead to the reason on why I made it, to his statement that no one has done it yet, now I have and now he has a reason for fixing it now."
Yes I was "showing it off", not really the words I would use, more of, "hey ever heard of mincraft? no, whats that? oh I'll show you, hold on".
Mainly only to the people that also program in Java and I sent it to them to check it out.
So you've disrupted the forums and IRC because you wanted to show that you could spoof some data? Well done, you've officially just made a complete tit of yourself. You never had any intention of having this fixed, you just wanted to show off. This equates to trolling, disrupting for the sake of disrupting. Enjoy your time elsewhere.
Get real, you're telling me it's not a problem, but you don't want it released. pssh
If you just simply agree to me that it is in fact a problem and can be a huge problem if everyone gets a copy, why don't you want it released? Because lots of fake servers will be listed and that is in fact a PROBLEM, admit it.
This has nothing to do with the game protocol, meaning a packet sniffer will not work, all the heartbeat is, is a http post request that sends over the data, you could even do it by using a HTML form.
What would you do with a packet sniffer? Find out what data is being sent to the URL? Why would you need to do all that work when you can look into the server 'software' source to see the format and the elements.
edit: spelling
So please, cease with going on about it because really nobody actually cares, if they did they would have found it themselves - it's ridiculously easy to find how the heartbeats are transferred.
So please, cease with going on about it because really nobody actually cares, if they did they would have found it themselves - it's ridiculously easy to find how the heartbeats are transferred."
I never once said it was a massive problem, it's a slight little problem, but it is in FACT a problem.
"Both methods are valid, and as you pointed out trivial. Not really worth getting everyone wound up for is it? I think what citric and everyone else is trying to avoid, is giving a tool to create fake servers and mess up all the stats to the same sort of people that enjoy greifing other peoples servers and just causing trouble. You must appreciate that on some level?"
I don't grief, never have, never will.
Go ahead and release it... somewhere else. Not on the forums linked from the official game site. Release it here, and face a ban. Again, nobody cares, nobody is impressed. Hey look! I can make my server say it has 100 people! OMG!
Is it a problem? Yes, that's what we call a bug. Bugs are problems with the game, y'know. Is this particular bug worth all the moaning and yelling you're putting into it? No. There are far more important issues that need to be dealt with.
So what's all this then? We know it is a problem and we have repeatedly told you it's a problem, nobody has said it isn't, we are saying it's a small problem that isn't worth fussing over. Even you told us Notch knows about it so what are you damn well trying to achieve?
Please, explain why you're constantly bringing this up when by your own admission Notch already knows about this and so do we. Please, go on.
Because Notch and me were talking about this subject once on IRC and I said to him that I was surprised that no one had faked it yet, he said that he knew that it was going to happen some day but for now no one is doing it so it's fine. This lead to the reason on why I made it, to his statement that no one has done it yet, now I have and now he has a reason for fixing it now.
okay, have some bold so you get it into your head.
NOTCH IS NOT HERE, HE DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET AND MINECRAFT. HE CANNOT SEE ANYTHING YOU DO, I DO OR ANYONE DOES BECAUSE HE'S IN THE SEA WITH EZ. ANY PROBLEMS WE RAISE NOW CANNOT BE FIXED UNTIL HE RETURNS. HE IS ON A BOAT.
You have still not explained why you're doing all this. Why not wait until he's back and tell him then and show him you doing it? Why wait until he's not here and then go totally mad when we tell you it isn't a problem worth worrying about.
"You have still not explained why you're doing all this"
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"Because Notch and me were talking about this subject once on IRC and I said to him that I was surprised that no one had faked it yet, he said that he knew that it was going to happen some day but for now no one is doing it so it's fine. This lead to the reason on why I made it, to his statement that no one has done it yet, now I have and now he has a reason for fixing it now."
So to summarise: You wanted to show off.
okay great, now stop constantly pestering us with it. We have acknowledged it is a problem, but it is not a problem that is worth worrying about and it is not a problem we can fix. Stop showing off and wait for Notch to come back. Seriously, I'm so close to banning you.
HE IS NOT HERE, HOW CAN HE FIX IT?
Mainly only to the people that also program in Java and I sent it to them to check it out.
So you've disrupted the forums and IRC because you wanted to show that you could spoof some data? Well done, you've officially just made a complete tit of yourself. You never had any intention of having this fixed, you just wanted to show off. This equates to trolling, disrupting for the sake of disrupting. Enjoy your time elsewhere.