i must say i quite support the anti-griefing prisons, as long as OPs are fair. i've so far gotten into every game with a short talk about rules and policy. i'm a patient and constructive player, and this system - if used fair - works quite well, imho.
Patience seems to be an integral facet of any prison-supporting player, although many detractors of the practice take a much higher road, citing Minecraft as a sandbox game that has it's purpose defeated by measures such as prisons. In fact, however, sandbox is merely a mode; Minecraft the game has yet to be released. Free build in a sandbox mode is expected, acceptable and that's just fine with me; however, if some people value the longevity of their work more than others, that's their prerogative, and I think everyone should respect that.
In short, label your server if you use a prison (an acceptable compromise) and let's be done with these debates.
I was in a server with a spawn prison earlier. The OP involved was very polite and tended to the new people quickly. It was a good experience until a griefer came in, acted like he was gonna behave, and then filled the giant room with water, every time we'd let him back in. We finally found out who it was and banned him, luckily the server owner had the map backed up and it was all easily fixed.
In my opinion spawn prisons are wonderful, but don't screen 100%. They only cut down on the issue, and there's nothing we'll ever be able to do to fix it. I don't quite see why those of you who don't like spawn prisons just say to take a screenshot and leave it at that. It's completely reasonable to want to keep what you've put work into. I don't think it's a bad decision to use spawn prisons, but I do feel the servers using such should be labeled.
A labyrinth is useless,because you can use the
place brix in you spawnplace" trick to get out, therefore making it unusable and nothing short of anoying.
Prisons work. I don't mind waiting for some time to be released, because I want others to see my work, I do it for fun too, yes, but I'd like for other's to see my stuff and admire it. It's just my way to get some good feelings out of the game. I don't want to uselessly spend time just to see my building destroyed 5 minutes after completition. If you like faggots ruining your **** WHILE you're building it - fine with me. If I hosted a server I'd definately put up a tag though, because this kind of "discussion" (essentially the same **** over and over again) is rather stupid if you ask me.
A labyrinth is useless,because you can use the
place brix in you spawnplace" trick to get out, therefore making it unusable and nothing short of anoying.
Prisons work. I don't mind waiting for some time to be released, because I want others to see my work, I do it for fun too, yes, but I'd like for other's to see my stuff and admire it. It's just my way to get some good feelings out of the game. I don't want to uselessly spend time just to see my building destroyed 5 minutes after completition. If you like faggots ruining your **** WHILE you're building it - fine with me. If I hosted a server I'd definately put up a tag though, because this kind of "discussion" (essentially the same **** over and over again) is rather stupid if you ask me.
You should never expect anything to last, though. Some time, somewhere, someone is going to try and ruin your stuff, and some time or another it will be ruined. You just have to dust yourself off and keep building ****. If you want to admire your things, take a picture. We should have a forum devoted to just showing off stuff, I think
Yes, that's why I take a picture, and although I want my creations to be seen I'm one of the first who urge the server host to put on a clean map when it's sorta full, yet the more poeple see my stuff the better I feel about it. :smile.gif:
It's just the way I work, and stop saying that my attitude is wrong. It's just how I live, these "debates" seem like the fights of 12 year-olds about genres of music.
I've got a prison on my server, though all the ops know to open it when they're on, and close it if they're the last op to leave. It keeps people from griefing when there's nobody around to stop them, and while it keeps legit players from creating things with no op around, it allows people to create things with the knowledge that they'll be able to finish what they're working on before some dickweed rolls up and tears it down for no reason.
If you want to throw a fit and quit my server over it, ok. :]
If you want to throw a fit and quit my server over it, ok. :]
Who is throwing a fit?
I count instantly discounting a server and quitting over a spawn jail as throwing a fit.
...and I count it as making a point.
If there are plenty of servers out there that don't have a spawn jail and I can play instantly, then why should I wait in a spawn jail?
It's also a new player deterrent. If I was a new player and was unlucky enough to come across jail server after jail server, do you really think I'd continue playing?
As another topic here correctly states, griefing will forever exist, this won't stop it, but exacerbate it.
I guess you gentlemen missed the boat. This issue (whether or not spawn prisons belong on servers) has already been debated to death and many of us have found a compromise - prison-using servers label themselves thus in the name, thereby saving the time of those who don't want to encounter them. So far we can't make everyone do that, but hopefully there will eventually be a way to automate that (with a permissions system in lieu of prisons, I hope). Members of each camp should respect the opposing camp's decision and leave it at that. No more bickering.
I've been banned from 4 servers for joining a random server that happens to be jailed. There's like 5 people stuck in the jail, I offer to build blocks so they can get out and build, and everyone is banned. Every server that I've joined that has a prison, does not state so in the server title, nor does any op on the server offer to let you out.
I've been banned from 4 servers for joining a random server that happens to be jailed. There's like 5 people stuck in the jail, I offer to build blocks so they can get out and build, and everyone is banned. Every server that I've joined that has a prison, does not state so in the server title, nor does any op on the server offer to let you out.
Those are bad servers, then. There are bad servers without jails, too.
Jail isn't a perfect thing, but it's an unfortunate building that we've had to make use of for a private server because we started getting randoms getting the address and causing havoc. Then nicely posting on digg that we were assholes and link to the server (which has since been changed)
In short, label your server if you use a prison (an acceptable compromise) and let's be done with these debates.
Relic of a bygone age.
In my opinion spawn prisons are wonderful, but don't screen 100%. They only cut down on the issue, and there's nothing we'll ever be able to do to fix it. I don't quite see why those of you who don't like spawn prisons just say to take a screenshot and leave it at that. It's completely reasonable to want to keep what you've put work into. I don't think it's a bad decision to use spawn prisons, but I do feel the servers using such should be labeled.
place brix in you spawnplace" trick to get out, therefore making it unusable and nothing short of anoying.
Prisons work. I don't mind waiting for some time to be released, because I want others to see my work, I do it for fun too, yes, but I'd like for other's to see my stuff and admire it. It's just my way to get some good feelings out of the game. I don't want to uselessly spend time just to see my building destroyed 5 minutes after completition. If you like faggots ruining your **** WHILE you're building it - fine with me. If I hosted a server I'd definately put up a tag though, because this kind of "discussion" (essentially the same **** over and over again) is rather stupid if you ask me.
You should never expect anything to last, though. Some time, somewhere, someone is going to try and ruin your stuff, and some time or another it will be ruined. You just have to dust yourself off and keep building ****. If you want to admire your things, take a picture. We should have a forum devoted to just showing off stuff, I think
It's just the way I work, and stop saying that my attitude is wrong. It's just how I live, these "debates" seem like the fights of 12 year-olds about genres of music.
my ban stick can beat up your dad :biggrin.gif:
If they weren't there, people would be griefing all day, with nobody to stop them.
I'm a pigman!
Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/MikeLouisseize
yeah well I can make pizza, and then you would eat it and be so happy and content that I would slip away and then make another pizza for myself
If you want to throw a fit and quit my server over it, ok. :]
Happy Fun Land - Randomgen
Angry Boredom Ocean - Flatworld, Spawn Jail
Who is throwing a fit?
I count instantly discounting a server and quitting over a spawn jail as throwing a fit.
Happy Fun Land - Randomgen
Angry Boredom Ocean - Flatworld, Spawn Jail
...and I count it as making a point.
If there are plenty of servers out there that don't have a spawn jail and I can play instantly, then why should I wait in a spawn jail?
It's also a new player deterrent. If I was a new player and was unlucky enough to come across jail server after jail server, do you really think I'd continue playing?
As another topic here correctly states, griefing will forever exist, this won't stop it, but exacerbate it.
Happy Fun Land - Randomgen
Angry Boredom Ocean - Flatworld, Spawn Jail
Relic of a bygone age.
Those are bad servers, then. There are bad servers without jails, too.
Happy Fun Land - Randomgen
Angry Boredom Ocean - Flatworld, Spawn Jail