No one has said that people who have committed suicide over bullying had no other issues that might have contributed to their reactions. People are different... When the stock market collapsed in 1929, some people immediately jumped out their office windows while others soldiered on after losing everything and lived hand to mouth during the 1930s. Some eventually recovered their fortunes and others never did but lived happily in poverty for very long time. It doesn't matter which country one lives in, people are variable in their personal abilities to cope with adversity and people also interpret what adversity is and isn't differently.
Just because the victims react in wildly differing ways, does not change the intent of the person doing the griefing... and it is what the griefer intends by his griefing that determines whether or not his/her actions are intended to be bullying or not.
To answer Superheavydoody's repeated inquiry - Depending on the age of the child involved in the OPs scenario, the "I'm telling" type of response would be just a completely typical child's response... one society encourages in a number of different ways (e.g. anti-bullying ads on TV) since we don't want them keeping silent if, say, something truly criminal is being done to them. The legal community currently takes the position that it is better that little children tells us about all the stuff, even the stuff that isn't that serious, and let us adults sort it out than to keep quiet about the truly awful crimes that are sometimes done to children in our society.
No, I want to know what the "friend" did that caused the"little kid" to start cussing out the "friend". None of the little ones I know would report someone simply for being told to shut up. Something precipitated the scenario we have been told. When I worked at waverley children's home as a cook the kids would tell me some really wierd stuff. Never anything as simple as so and so told me to shut up. As far as griefing as cyber bullying. I am ambivalent. I have seen and done some screwed up things. Some might call me callous. So I really shouldn't comment. Other than to say, if your playing with the kiddies one needs to understand that their brains and personalities are not fully formed. DON'T BE A DORK. Save it for someone more deserving. Like that judge in Montana. Or the creep in St. Louis. Someone who actually violates your rights. And mystic I'm not trying to judge. I'm just curious as to what happened.
Personally, I don't take this game seriously at all. It's just a game.. I do, however, take bullying very seriously because I've seen too many youth succumb to depression and even suicide as a result of bullying and also out of guilt for having bullied someone else. It is something that can cause serious mental pain for both the bullies and their victims.
That's awesome I applaud you. But it's a game. This is a GAME FORUM.
Oh, and sidenote: I'm pretty sure a random kid's principal won't be able to do anything to you. Unless the kid has proof that you've been threatening him or something, then it's all crap.
Or if his principal happened to be the most amazingly hardcore minecrafter ever. Or Notch. Somehow.
Bullying = Belittling/pressuring/abusing a person over time, to fill the gap missing from their soul
Griefing = That son of a monkeys sister who hits a puddle by you with a car going 100mph soaking you, because it's hilarious & easy
There is no bullying. Only people that feels bullied and harrased.
That would imply that everyone causes the same amount of feelings of bullying and harrassment, as it is purely an experience, and not an action, uninfluencable by the "bully".
However this is clearly not the case.
On topic, griefing is just a more primitive form of trolling.
Now my friend greifed a little kid and he was called a cyber bullying and some other words so is greifing cyber bullying.Lets face it people if your even if a conversation happens like this it is bullying
Little kid : "Your a jerk "
You : "Shut up kid "
Little kid " I am telling my principal your bullying me"
That's awesome I applaud you. But it's a game. This is a GAME FORUM.
... and this game like any other game and this forum like any other forum can be possibly used as a tool to bully real people.
When a griefer griefs inside the game it not the avatars doing it to each other because of thei AIs... It's the avatars acting under the direct control of a real person knowing that the avatar they are doing it to is also being directly controlled by a real person. Although the "stuff" in the game is not real and, therefore, the property damage is not tangible; the feelings of the victimized player are real and the intimidation they might feel by the other playing "picking on them" inside the game is equally real. If the intent of the player doing the griefing is to harrass, intimidate, and/or harm the other PLAYER (real person), they are, by the legal definition of bullying cited above, clearly bullying that other person and just using the game as the "vehicle" to do it.
No, I want to know what the "friend" did that caused the"little kid" to start cussing out the "friend". None of the little ones I know would report someone simply for being told to shut up. Something precipitated the scenario we have been told. When I worked at waverley children's home as a cook the kids would tell me some really wierd stuff. Never anything as simple as so and so told me to shut up. As far as griefing as cyber bullying. I am ambivalent. I have seen and done some screwed up things. Some might call me callous. So I really shouldn't comment. Other than to say, if your playing with the kiddies one needs to understand that their brains and personalities are not fully formed. DON'T BE A DORK. Save it for someone more deserving. Like that judge in Montana. Or the creep in St. Louis. Someone who actually violates your rights. And mystic I'm not trying to judge. I'm just curious as to what happened.
I'm sorry I did misunderstand your question. I too would like to know more details about what the "friend" did to precipitate the child's reaction.
I think it is. My reasons are my own and that's good enough for me. I despise all people who derive enjoyment from any form of suffering they've knowling and actively caused to another person.
... and this game like any other game and this forum like any other forum can be possibly used as a tool to bully real people.
When a griefer griefs inside the game it not the avatars doing it to each other because of thei AIs... It's the avatars acting under the direct control of a real person knowing that the avatar they are doing it to is also being directly controlled by a real person. Although the "stuff" in the game is not real and, therefore, the property damage is not tangible; the feelings of the victimized player are real and the intimidation they might feel by the other playing "picking on them" inside the game is equally real. If the intent of the player doing the griefing is to harrass, intimidate, and/or harm the other PLAYER (real person), they are, by the legal definition of bullying cited above, clearly bullying that other person and just using the game as the "vehicle" to do it.
Right. Because you hear a lot about someone blowing up a house in Minecraft blowing up houses in real life. It's usually just someone being a troll, and if someone gets so butt hurt over that then they are way too sensitive and shouldn't be playing games at all, let alone with people. It's not bullying, it's a game, everyone has gotten something in their world destroyed by someone at least once, if you don't want it to happen then don't play with people. This dude literally just asked a simple question and it's blown up to a big thing about bullying and overly sensitive people (like you) have to feed into it like you know what you're talking about at all. All I've gotten from what you're saying is "people will kill themselves if you blow up their house in Minecraft" basically and that is at a retarded extreme. And you need to calm down. And you should probably stop putting so much thought into this.
An hour of your life is still an hour of your life whether it is minecrafting or kayaking.
baldur, this has not been the case in my experience.
an hour in a kayak is vastly different from an hour of minecraft.
speaking of which, river's up. so what if it's floodwater...
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op, why is your friend griefing little kids? not exactly hard targets, mister manly.
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i suppose certain kinds of griefing could be bullying, but most griefing amounts to theft or vandalism to me. it's annoying, but usually can be fixed with a few hours of work. being griefed has occasionally inspired me to build it better the second time, instead of just repairing damage.
Right. Because you hear a lot about someone blowing up a house in Minecraft blowing up houses in real life. It's usually just someone being a troll, and if someone gets so butt hurt over that then they are way too sensitive and shouldn't be playing games at all, let alone with people. It's not bullying, it's a game, everyone has gotten something in their world destroyed by someone at least once, if you don't want it to happen then don't play with people. This dude literally just asked a simple question and it's blown up to a big thing about bullying and overly sensitive people (like you) have to feed into it like you know what you're talking about at all. All I've gotten from what you're saying is "people will kill themselves if you blow up their house in Minecraft" basically and that is at a retarded extreme. And you need to calm down. And you should probably stop putting so much thought into this.
Wrong. IT MAY BE BULLYING. Saying it is not bullying is as inaccurate as saying it is bullying and equally misconstrues what I've been saying.
It IS a game, yes; but games are often utilized as tools by bullies to bully others. In this game, it depends on what the person doing the griefing intends to accomplish by griefing. If they intend to harass, embarrass, cause personal pain, belittle or harm the person being griefed, then griefing in a game become bullying via this game. In the scenario set up by the OP, since we do not know the griefer's intent in griefing the little kid, no one can assess the situation with the little amount of information given.
The OP's simple question is not accurately answerable by anyone here. Worse, the OP's post itself could be a further attempt to harrass or embarrass this little kid online... which would make the post itself an attempt at cyberbullying.
Greifing isn't exactly a form of bullying, it's really just to mess around with another person's buildings and hard work. Greifing doesn't make a person feel good, but it isn't bullying at all and in terms it's quite easy to control if you just go on a good server with a nice community or just play Singleplayer.
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"The only place I wanna go; that's forward. Going back is a waste."
"Go back there, it's the only place people like you belong." "Just don't come back."
Greifing isn't exactly a form of bullying, it's really just to mess around with another person's buildings and hard work. Greifing doesn't make a person feel good, but it isn't bullying at all and in terms it's quite easy to control if you just go on a good server with a nice community or just play Singleplayer.
... Just applying this sort of reasoning to it indicates both an intent to make another person feel bad and convince them to go off to play by themselves... which is CLASSIC bullying.
No, I want to know what the "friend" did that caused the"little kid" to start cussing out the "friend". None of the little ones I know would report someone simply for being told to shut up. Something precipitated the scenario we have been told. When I worked at waverley children's home as a cook the kids would tell me some really wierd stuff. Never anything as simple as so and so told me to shut up. As far as griefing as cyber bullying. I am ambivalent. I have seen and done some screwed up things. Some might call me callous. So I really shouldn't comment. Other than to say, if your playing with the kiddies one needs to understand that their brains and personalities are not fully formed. DON'T BE A DORK. Save it for someone more deserving. Like that judge in Montana. Or the creep in St. Louis. Someone who actually violates your rights. And mystic I'm not trying to judge. I'm just curious as to what happened.
That's awesome I applaud you. But it's a game. This is a GAME FORUM.
Or if his principal happened to be the most amazingly hardcore minecrafter ever. Or Notch. Somehow.
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Griefing = That son of a monkeys sister who hits a puddle by you with a car going 100mph soaking you, because it's hilarious & easy
That would imply that everyone causes the same amount of feelings of bullying and harrassment, as it is purely an experience, and not an action, uninfluencable by the "bully".
However this is clearly not the case.
On topic, griefing is just a more primitive form of trolling.
Comedy gold!
"Niave-ness, serial killers, and mean people". This thread has it all!
Yes.
Have you gone hoarse my friend?
... and this game like any other game and this forum like any other forum can be possibly used as a tool to bully real people.
When a griefer griefs inside the game it not the avatars doing it to each other because of thei AIs... It's the avatars acting under the direct control of a real person knowing that the avatar they are doing it to is also being directly controlled by a real person. Although the "stuff" in the game is not real and, therefore, the property damage is not tangible; the feelings of the victimized player are real and the intimidation they might feel by the other playing "picking on them" inside the game is equally real. If the intent of the player doing the griefing is to harrass, intimidate, and/or harm the other PLAYER (real person), they are, by the legal definition of bullying cited above, clearly bullying that other person and just using the game as the "vehicle" to do it.
I'm sorry I did misunderstand your question. I too would like to know more details about what the "friend" did to precipitate the child's reaction.
I think it is. My reasons are my own and that's good enough for me. I despise all people who derive enjoyment from any form of suffering they've knowling and actively caused to another person.
Right. Because you hear a lot about someone blowing up a house in Minecraft blowing up houses in real life. It's usually just someone being a troll, and if someone gets so butt hurt over that then they are way too sensitive and shouldn't be playing games at all, let alone with people. It's not bullying, it's a game, everyone has gotten something in their world destroyed by someone at least once, if you don't want it to happen then don't play with people. This dude literally just asked a simple question and it's blown up to a big thing about bullying and overly sensitive people (like you) have to feed into it like you know what you're talking about at all. All I've gotten from what you're saying is "people will kill themselves if you blow up their house in Minecraft" basically and that is at a retarded extreme. And you need to calm down. And you should probably stop putting so much thought into this.
baldur, this has not been the case in my experience.
an hour in a kayak is vastly different from an hour of minecraft.
speaking of which, river's up. so what if it's floodwater...
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op, why is your friend griefing little kids? not exactly hard targets, mister manly.
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i suppose certain kinds of griefing could be bullying, but most griefing amounts to theft or vandalism to me. it's annoying, but usually can be fixed with a few hours of work. being griefed has occasionally inspired me to build it better the second time, instead of just repairing damage.
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Wrong. IT MAY BE BULLYING. Saying it is not bullying is as inaccurate as saying it is bullying and equally misconstrues what I've been saying.
It IS a game, yes; but games are often utilized as tools by bullies to bully others. In this game, it depends on what the person doing the griefing intends to accomplish by griefing. If they intend to harass, embarrass, cause personal pain, belittle or harm the person being griefed, then griefing in a game become bullying via this game. In the scenario set up by the OP, since we do not know the griefer's intent in griefing the little kid, no one can assess the situation with the little amount of information given.
The OP's simple question is not accurately answerable by anyone here. Worse, the OP's post itself could be a further attempt to harrass or embarrass this little kid online... which would make the post itself an attempt at cyberbullying.
"The only place I wanna go; that's forward. Going back is a waste."
"Go back there, it's the only place people like you belong."
"Just don't come back."
... Just applying this sort of reasoning to it indicates both an intent to make another person feel bad and convince them to go off to play by themselves... which is CLASSIC bullying.