I am absolutely serious. Typically griefing in rental properties is in the form of negligence like spilling sauce on carpets and not cleaning it up or being late with the rent and not paying the late fees or stacking bags of garbage in a house because they are too lazy to take the trash out side to the trash can or refusing to leave when evicted. But usually griefing in the real world is done for some other reason than just to make people suffer and there are real world remedies for tenants doing these things. The court system and the sheriffs department.
Time is the most precious commodity you have and when you are griefed someone is stealing it just for the pleasure of causing pain. The mentality of someone that enjoys causing pain (griefer) is the same mentality of a serial killer. I am more disgusted to see one of my servers has been griefed than to see a rental property griefed. In the past month I have evicted 2 tenants from houses. Both had been tenants for years and I have warned them repeatedly about infractions. I have also had griefers that I have permanently banned from the servers. I am more upset about the minecraft griefers than about the tenants. I have had some tenants that were evicted before and have been welcome back. But minecraft griefers get permanently banned and their friends get banned. If someone vouched for them when they came on the server there's a good chance they will be banned too.
If you were renting from me and griefed my minecraft world I would evict you in the real world with absolutely no hesitation or remorse.
I personally have turned out to be the person my mom warned me about on the internet.
When I see someone being half-retarded, screaming yolo and posting vines of them doing stupid sh*t I am obviously going to make fun of them. Whether they can handle it or not, they will deal with it. People always say I am to crude and mean on instagram, and I respond with "Sorry, I got more of your ass than your face in that instagram pick. Posting a selfie after won't help either."
I just find it funny you take the internet so seriously, when you treat it like crap as well but get offended whenever it happens to you. I call it "The Human Race." It's a thing where, one person dies of a shark attack we have to kill 1000 sharks basically. Even happened in history.
noun
noun: sociopath; plural noun: sociopaths a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
serial killer characteristics
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A serial killer is a person who murders three or more people over a period of more than 30 days, with a "cooling off" period between each murder, and whose motivation for killing is largely based on psychological gratification. Often, a sexual element is involved with the killings. ...
A griefer is a player in a multiplayervideo game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways.[1]A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals
THIS WHOLE TOPIC IS HILARIOUS. If you guys take a job as seriously as a video game, you'd be CEO in a day.
Personally, I don't take this game seriously at all. It's just a game.. I do, however, take bullying very seriously because I've seen too many youth succumb to depression and even suicide as a result of bullying and also out of guilt for having bullied someone else. It is something that can cause serious mental pain for both the bullies and their victims.
noun
noun: sociopath; plural noun: sociopaths a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
serial killer characteristics
Web definitions
A serial killer is a person who murders three or more people over a period of more than 30 days, with a "cooling off" period between each murder, and whose motivation for killing is largely based on psychological gratification. Often, a sexual element is involved with the killings. ...
A griefer is a player in a multiplayervideo game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways.[1]A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals
How on earth can you compare griefers with serial killers? Really? Are you suggesting that all these kids who are out griefing are going to grow up to become murderers? Because if you are, I think griefing on Minecraft is going to be the least of our problems :/
Personally, I don't take this game seriously at all. It's just a game.. I do, however, take bullying very seriously because I've seen too many youth succumb to depression and even suicide as a result of bullying and also out of guilt for having bullied someone else. It is something that can cause serious mental pain for both the bullies and their victims.
While I believe bullying to be wrong, I do not take Minecraft nearly as seriously as many of these people. That's what Ifind funny. I do not find bullying funny.
I'm actually finding some of the replies to this topic incredibly disturbing, not at all funny. Surely it's not normal to take any game so seriously?
I agree - some of the replies here are disturbing (in both directions - even though you're probably only thinking in one direction). One responder here is clearly overreacting because of pain experienced through another form of griefing that he has experienced. This thread, though, also shows how ridicule of a person who is sensitive can grow, particularly in a forum environment as little "snipes" get added to the thread. While posts to a discussion forum are not, in and of themselves, cyberbullying... just like griefing is not in and of itself cyberbullying..., posts to a discussion forum can be used by bullies as a tool to start to bully someone they perceive as perhaps being vulnerable... and the situation can readily escalate out of hand.
So, let's all take a breather here and recognize that this thread ceased to be about the OPs situtation and this game a long time ago. We have in our midst an individual who has been victimized outside of this game and obviously still has some very strong feelings about that. He's a long-time participant in these forums and operates, by all accounts of those who play there, a pretty decent server. We have a choice here to make as a community... I hope we make the right choice and come together to help him heal
How on earth can you compare griefers with serial killers? Really? Are you suggesting that all these kids who are out griefing are going to grow up to become murderers? Because if you are, I think griefing on Minecraft is going to be the least of our problems :/
The correlation is simple and specific.
Both griefers and serial killers derive pleasure from causing pain. That is the only point I'm making in comparing the two. Some seem to be reading something else into that. If I say that Cowboys and Astronauts both wear hats it is not implied that cowboys fly in space.
I agree - some of the replies here are disturbing (in both directions - even though you're probably only thinking in one direction). One responder here is clearly overreacting because of pain experienced through another form of griefing that he has experienced. This thread, though, also shows how ridicule of a person who is sensitive can grow, particularly in a forum environment as little "snipes" get added to the thread. While posts to a discussion forum are not, in and of themselves, cyberbullying... just like griefing is not in and of itself cyberbullying..., posts to a discussion forum can be used by bullies as a tool to start to bully someone they perceive as perhaps being vulnerable... and the situation can readily escalate out of hand.
So, let's all take a breather here and recognize that this thread ceased to be about the OPs situtation and this game a long time ago. We have in our midst an individual who has been victimized outside of this game and obviously still has some very strong feelings about that. He's a long-time participant in these forums and operates, by all accounts of those who play there, a pretty decent server. We have a choice here to make as a community... I hope we make the right choice and come together to help him heal
Very perceptive of you. And he's not the only one. I'd bet all the money in my pocket that several of us have a black spot in our hearts, burned there by the actions of some evil individuals earlier in life. That can easily cause overreaction, when new circumstances somehow mirror the old.
Both griefers and serial killers derive pleasure from causing pain.
This would only be correct if all griefers and all serial killers fit into a certain stereotype. They don't. That definition of a sociopath you put up - that describes my Aspie son. To a T. He's griefed. More than once. Not because he's a bully, or a jerk, or has the same mentality as a serial killer, and certainly not because he derives pleasure from causing pain. But because he sees things very differently than you do. He has little to no empathy, doesn't think anything through, does not in the least little bit understand how another person feels when he does something that is considered mean or vindictive, even if the same thing has been done to him and he got upset! So to hear someone say that he should be punished in real life for what he did in a game, when he is already punished enough for things he does in real life that he can't help... you know what, that hurts. Because I see a future for him where people are quick to judge, and even quicker to exclude him, without giving even a second of their time to try and understand him.
This would only be correct if all griefers and all serial killers fit into a certain stereotype. They don't. That definition of a sociopath you put up - that describes my Aspie son. To a T. He's griefed. More than once. Not because he's a bully, or a jerk, or has the same mentality as a serial killer, and certainly not because he derives pleasure from causing pain. But because he sees things very differently than you do. He has little to no empathy, doesn't think anything through, does not in the least little bit understand how another person feels when he does something that is considered mean or vindictive, even if the same thing has been done to him and he got upset! So to hear someone say that he should be punished in real life for what he did in a game, when he is already punished enough for things he does in real life that he can't help... you know what, that hurts. Because I see a future for him where people are quick to judge, and even quicker to exclude him, without giving even a second of their time to try and understand him.
I don't know you your children or your circumstances but based on what you said I'm not talking about you and did not mean to imply that. I'm talking about people that are aware of their actions and specifically take pleasure from the pain they cause to others.
To further clarify. Griefing is an intentional action to specifically cause harm to others. Making a mistake that causes harm or simply being unaware of the consequences of your actions is not the same thing.
I fully stand by my earlier statements but thought some clarification was needed.
My server has been griefed many times. I have never thought about that question before, but now that I do think about it, yeah, it could be considered Cyber Bullying. If nothing else, it is morally wrong.
You sir are clearly misreading what I wrote. I did not say that griefing IS cyberbullying, I said that griefing can be used as a tool by cyberbullies to harrass/harm their victims and have clearly acknowledged from the outset in all my posts that griefing can also merely be a joke taken too far. Whether or not it is being used as a tool to cyberbully depends entirely on the intent of the person doing the griefing. If they intend to harass or harm the target of their griefing, then they are more likely bullying them rather than just innocently pranking them. Whether or not the victim feels as though they've been bullied is really besides the point. Some people are more sensitive than others and, as a result, more easily hurt by bullies. To be a sensitive person, one does not need to be disabled, so why are you bringing them up?
Bullies do exhibit clear patterns of behavior that identify them as bullies. That does not necessarily make them sociopaths and I NEVER implied any such thing.
I never said you said they were sociopaths that wasnt directed towards you. And the way you mad it sound, at least towards me, was that people who grief are bullies and that bullies justify what they do to the victim. I brought up the disabilities part because I was saying not everyone who seems like or is a bully can truly understand what they are doing or are truly meaning to cause that much grief and hardship on someone. Not saying that you shouldn't let it go unpunished but also not saying you should punish them in an extreme matter if the crime is small.
I never said you said they were sociopaths that wasnt directed towards you. And the way you mad it sound, at least towards me, was that people who grief are bullies and that bullies justify what they do to the victim. I brought up the disabilities part because I was saying not everyone who seems like or is a bully can truly understand what they are doing or are truly meaning to cause that much grief and hardship on someone. Not saying that you shouldn't let it go unpunished but also not saying you should punish them in an extreme matter if the crime is small.
This is a direct quote from the quote of mine you cited: "It's the mental state and intent of the perpetrator the determines whether or not they are using griefting as a tool to bully a victim or innocently thinking that their actions will be received by their "friend" in a light-hearted way. Even if their first act of griefing a friend might be an intended light-hearted joke, IF they persist to grief again or prank that person again in even a different way after their first joke is not well received, that is a clearer indication that their intent was actually not to jest, but to aggravate and harm... and THAT is when it crosses over the line to become bullying."
That clearly does NOT say that "people who grief are bullies" that clearly says that people who grief MAY POSSIBLY BE bullies. I did in effect say that some bullies do rationalize their bullying by trying to convince others that they are acting in jest. Someone who sincerely acted in jest with no intent to harm the victim would not be "rationalizing" by saying that they acted in jest. What gives the bullies away vs. people who sincerely play a joke gone wrong, is that bullies USUALLY don't apologize to their victims and they USUALLY don't try to make things right with their victims (by perhaps offering the help them rebuild). People who attempt a joke that winds up hurting someone unintentionally generally do apologize for it and generally do try to console that person and perhaps even go so far as to try to help them recover whatever was lost. What bullies tend to do differently is... they declare loudly and publicly that it was just a joke, but then tell the victim (usually also in public) that they are ones acting unreasonably for not liking the joke played on them. (i.e. blaming the victim). Still, though, for this statement to apply, the bully has to be a bully to start with. There are certainly people out there who may declare publicly that they acted in jest who would have, in fact, just acted in jest.
This would only be correct if all griefers and all serial killers fit into a certain stereotype. They don't. That definition of a sociopath you put up - that describes my Aspie son. To a T. He's griefed. More than once. Not because he's a bully, or a jerk, or has the same mentality as a serial killer, and certainly not because he derives pleasure from causing pain. But because he sees things very differently than you do. He has little to no empathy, doesn't think anything through, does not in the least little bit understand how another person feels when he does something that is considered mean or vindictive, even if the same thing has been done to him and he got upset! So to hear someone say that he should be punished in real life for what he did in a game, when he is already punished enough for things he does in real life that he can't help... you know what, that hurts. Because I see a future for him where people are quick to judge, and even quicker to exclude him, without giving even a second of their time to try and understand him.
One of the more obscure definitions of evil is "the absence of all empathy". I realize such categories don't apply to very young children or mentally challenged people. That doesn't mean they're invalid. An adult with absolutely no empathy or remorse is a truly dangerous creature.
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Curse PremiumWhen I see someone being half-retarded, screaming yolo and posting vines of them doing stupid sh*t I am obviously going to make fun of them. Whether they can handle it or not, they will deal with it. People always say I am to crude and mean on instagram, and I respond with "Sorry, I got more of your ass than your face in that instagram pick. Posting a selfie after won't help either."
I just find it funny you take the internet so seriously, when you treat it like crap as well but get offended whenever it happens to you. I call it "The Human Race." It's a thing where, one person dies of a shark attack we have to kill 1000 sharks basically. Even happened in history.
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noun: sociopath; plural noun: sociopaths
a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
serial killer characteristics
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A serial killer is a person who murders three or more people over a period of more than 30 days, with a "cooling off" period between each murder, and whose motivation for killing is largely based on psychological gratification. Often, a sexual element is involved with the killings. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer Below quote from here.A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways.[1] A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals
Below is wiki minecraft griefing page.
http://minecraft.gam...ia.com/Griefing
Personally, I don't take this game seriously at all. It's just a game.. I do, however, take bullying very seriously because I've seen too many youth succumb to depression and even suicide as a result of bullying and also out of guilt for having bullied someone else. It is something that can cause serious mental pain for both the bullies and their victims.
dude no matter how much you try to link it, you are just wrong here. Completely and utterly wrong. You need medicated
While I believe bullying to be wrong, I do not take Minecraft nearly as seriously as many of these people. That's what I find funny. I do not find bullying funny.
I agree - some of the replies here are disturbing (in both directions - even though you're probably only thinking in one direction). One responder here is clearly overreacting because of pain experienced through another form of griefing that he has experienced. This thread, though, also shows how ridicule of a person who is sensitive can grow, particularly in a forum environment as little "snipes" get added to the thread. While posts to a discussion forum are not, in and of themselves, cyberbullying... just like griefing is not in and of itself cyberbullying..., posts to a discussion forum can be used by bullies as a tool to start to bully someone they perceive as perhaps being vulnerable... and the situation can readily escalate out of hand.
So, let's all take a breather here and recognize that this thread ceased to be about the OPs situtation and this game a long time ago. We have in our midst an individual who has been victimized outside of this game and obviously still has some very strong feelings about that. He's a long-time participant in these forums and operates, by all accounts of those who play there, a pretty decent server. We have a choice here to make as a community... I hope we make the right choice and come together to help him heal
The correlation is simple and specific.
Both griefers and serial killers derive pleasure from causing pain. That is the only point I'm making in comparing the two. Some seem to be reading something else into that. If I say that Cowboys and Astronauts both wear hats it is not implied that cowboys fly in space.
Edit: An exception http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0186566/
Very perceptive of you. And he's not the only one. I'd bet all the money in my pocket that several of us have a black spot in our hearts, burned there by the actions of some evil individuals earlier in life. That can easily cause overreaction, when new circumstances somehow mirror the old.
This would only be correct if all griefers and all serial killers fit into a certain stereotype. They don't. That definition of a sociopath you put up - that describes my Aspie son. To a T. He's griefed. More than once. Not because he's a bully, or a jerk, or has the same mentality as a serial killer, and certainly not because he derives pleasure from causing pain. But because he sees things very differently than you do. He has little to no empathy, doesn't think anything through, does not in the least little bit understand how another person feels when he does something that is considered mean or vindictive, even if the same thing has been done to him and he got upset! So to hear someone say that he should be punished in real life for what he did in a game, when he is already punished enough for things he does in real life that he can't help... you know what, that hurts. Because I see a future for him where people are quick to judge, and even quicker to exclude him, without giving even a second of their time to try and understand him.
I don't know you your children or your circumstances but based on what you said I'm not talking about you and did not mean to imply that. I'm talking about people that are aware of their actions and specifically take pleasure from the pain they cause to others.
To further clarify. Griefing is an intentional action to specifically cause harm to others. Making a mistake that causes harm or simply being unaware of the consequences of your actions is not the same thing.
I fully stand by my earlier statements but thought some clarification was needed.
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I never said you said they were sociopaths that wasnt directed towards you. And the way you mad it sound, at least towards me, was that people who grief are bullies and that bullies justify what they do to the victim. I brought up the disabilities part because I was saying not everyone who seems like or is a bully can truly understand what they are doing or are truly meaning to cause that much grief and hardship on someone. Not saying that you shouldn't let it go unpunished but also not saying you should punish them in an extreme matter if the crime is small.
This is a direct quote from the quote of mine you cited: "It's the mental state and intent of the perpetrator the determines whether or not they are using griefting as a tool to bully a victim or innocently thinking that their actions will be received by their "friend" in a light-hearted way. Even if their first act of griefing a friend might be an intended light-hearted joke, IF they persist to grief again or prank that person again in even a different way after their first joke is not well received, that is a clearer indication that their intent was actually not to jest, but to aggravate and harm... and THAT is when it crosses over the line to become bullying."
That clearly does NOT say that "people who grief are bullies" that clearly says that people who grief MAY POSSIBLY BE bullies. I did in effect say that some bullies do rationalize their bullying by trying to convince others that they are acting in jest. Someone who sincerely acted in jest with no intent to harm the victim would not be "rationalizing" by saying that they acted in jest. What gives the bullies away vs. people who sincerely play a joke gone wrong, is that bullies USUALLY don't apologize to their victims and they USUALLY don't try to make things right with their victims (by perhaps offering the help them rebuild). People who attempt a joke that winds up hurting someone unintentionally generally do apologize for it and generally do try to console that person and perhaps even go so far as to try to help them recover whatever was lost. What bullies tend to do differently is... they declare loudly and publicly that it was just a joke, but then tell the victim (usually also in public) that they are ones acting unreasonably for not liking the joke played on them. (i.e. blaming the victim). Still, though, for this statement to apply, the bully has to be a bully to start with. There are certainly people out there who may declare publicly that they acted in jest who would have, in fact, just acted in jest.
One of the more obscure definitions of evil is "the absence of all empathy". I realize such categories don't apply to very young children or mentally challenged people. That doesn't mean they're invalid. An adult with absolutely no empathy or remorse is a truly dangerous creature.