Now my friend greifed a little kid and he was called a cyber bullying and some other words so is greifing cyber bullying.Lets face it people if your even if a conversation happens like this it is bullying
Little kid : "Your a jerk "
You : "Shut up kid "
Little kid " I am telling my principal your bullying me"
Who cares? Don't play with "little kids" and avoid the situation. Though I must say people who get their kicks this way are odd to me. Friend did it haha. Sure.
If a "little kid" is talking like that, I sure as heck would be out of there in a heartbeat.
But no. That conversation isn't bullying. In my eyes, bullying is something that happens multiple times, and just calling someone a bad name once (or telling them to shut up) is not bullying, just normal internet bullcrap.
To answer your main question, personally, I don't think griefing is bullying. If the griefer manages to grief over and over again, then maayybe, but at that point, it's really the world owner's fault for not using the tools given to protect their stuff.
Oh, and sidenote: I'm pretty sure a random kid's principal won't be able to do anything to you. Unless the kid has proof that you've been threatening him or something, then it's all crap.
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I would say legally, no, it's not. The legal definition of cyberbullying:
actions that use information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm another or others.
use of communication technologies for the intention of harming another person
use of internet service and mobile technologies such as web pages and discussion groups as well as instant messaging or SMS text messaging with the intention of harming another person.
I don't think griefing "harms another person". It can be annoying, but it just a game after all. If you were to start going out of your way to constantly harass and put down this kid, that would be cyberbullying.
If a "little kid" is talking like that, I sure as heck would be out of there in a heartbeat.
But no. That conversation isn't bullying. In my eyes, bullying is something that happens multiple times, and just calling someone a bad name once (or telling them to shut up) is not bullying, just normal internet bullcrap.
To answer your main question, personally, I don't think griefing is bullying. If the griefer manages to grief over and over again, then maayybe, but at that point, it's really the world owner's fault for not using the tools given to protect their stuff.
Oh, and sidenote: I'm pretty sure a random kid's principal won't be able to do anything to you. Unless the kid has proof that you've been threatening him or something, then it's all crap.
what tools?
Griefing in the minecraft is as bad as stealing or vandalism in the real world and should be punished accordingly. That is not a joke. I'm a landlord and have my real world property griefed sometimes and I feel as strongly about minecraft griefing as I do about rental property griefing. I have had to call the sheriff and take people to court in the real world and if I could I would not hesitate to do the same to griefers of the minecraft.
If anything minecraft griefing is worse than real world griefing because minecraft griefers are people that grief simply because they enjoy causing people pain. That type of mentality and person has no place in society and should be eliminated permanently.
Griefing in the minecraft is as bad as stealing or vandalism in the real world and should be punished accordingly. That is not a joke. I'm a landlord and have my real world property griefed sometimes and I feel as strongly about minecraft griefing as I do about rental property griefing. I have had to call the sheriff and take people to court in the real world and if I could I would not hesitate to do the same to griefers of the minecraft.
If anything minecraft griefing is worse than real world griefing because minecraft griefers are people that grief simply because they enjoy causing people pain. That type of mentality and person has no place in society and should be eliminated permanently.
"Griefing in the minecraft is as bad as stealing or vandalism in the real world and should be punished accordingly. That is not a joke. I'm a landlord and have my real world property griefed sometimes and I feel as strongly about minecraft griefing as I do about rental property griefing. I have had to call the sheriff and take people to court in the real world and if I could I would not hesitate to do the same to griefers of the minecraft."
IAMBaldur888, you sound serious, but surely you can't be. I can't believe that anyone who feels this way also has the earning capacity to purchase an investment property. Someone burning down your investment property causes real and actual financial hardship upon you. Nothing you can build in minecraft has any worth in the real world. You will not default on your mortgage repayments because someone steals your diamonds in minecraft. Seriously dude. Can you imagine calling your lawyer or the sheriff and asking for someone to be arrested or charged for putting a bucket a lava down in the middle of your house in minecraft. I've read some incredibly stupid things on these forums, but this takes the chocolates.
"Griefing in the minecraft is as bad as stealing or vandalism in the real world and should be punished accordingly. That is not a joke. I'm a landlord and have my real world property griefed sometimes and I feel as strongly about minecraft griefing as I do about rental property griefing. I have had to call the sheriff and take people to court in the real world and if I could I would not hesitate to do the same to griefers of the minecraft."
IAMBaldur888, you sound serious, but surely you can't be. I can't believe that anyone who feels this way also has the earning capacity to purchase an investment property. Someone burning down your investment property causes real and actual financial hardship upon you. Nothing you can build in minecraft has any worth in the real world. You will not default on your mortgage repayments because someone steals your diamonds in minecraft. Seriously dude. Can you imagine calling your lawyer or the sheriff and asking for someone to be arrested or charged for putting a bucket a lava down in the middle of your house in minecraft. I've read some incredibly stupid things on these forums, but this takes the chocolates.
I am absolutely serious. Typically griefing in rental properties is in the form of negligence like spilling sauce on carpets and not cleaning it up or being late with the rent and not paying the late fees or stacking bags of garbage in a house because they are too lazy to take the trash out side to the trash can or refusing to leave when evicted. But usually griefing in the real world is done for some other reason than just to make people suffer and there are real world remedies for tenants doing these things. The court system and the sheriffs department.
Time is the most precious commodity you have and when you are griefed someone is stealing it just for the pleasure of causing pain. The mentality of someone that enjoys causing pain (griefer) is the same mentality of a serial killer. I am more disgusted to see one of my servers has been griefed than to see a rental property griefed. In the past month I have evicted 2 tenants from houses. Both had been tenants for years and I have warned them repeatedly about infractions. I have also had griefers that I have permanently banned from the servers. I am more upset about the minecraft griefers than about the tenants. I have had some tenants that were evicted before and have been welcome back. But minecraft griefers get permanently banned and their friends get banned. If someone vouched for them when they came on the server there's a good chance they will be banned too.
If you were renting from me and griefed my minecraft world I would evict you in the real world with absolutely no hesitation or remorse.
The difficuly I have with assessing this is that the OP is clearly not relating the entire story... and to assess whether or not something is bullying or not requires a knowledge of the "history" over a longer period of time. Bullying by definition implies something that persists with an intent to harm or embarrass. If the OP's friend only met that kid once, griefed him once, and then never spoke to him again... it would not likely be classed as bullying. If, however, it was done repeatedly or other things were said and done after the fact with an intent to further embarrass or harm the little kid, it would more likely be classed as bullying.
That doesn't make a one-time griefing OK. It's still mean and nasty - something I personally wouldn't do to a friend or a stranger, old or young, even in jest. If a friend and I agree together to mutually destroy something in his world or that destroying each other's property was just part of the game in that world, then that's the only time I would consider destroying something in their world. If the friend is unaware of what is going on or if the friend objects in any way to what is going on, the perpetrator should stop themselves from doing it. Part of a "good joke" is knowing when the person on whom the joke is being played would not be laughing about it... and respecting that boundary.
I would say legally, no, it's not. The legal definition of cyberbullying:
actions that use information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm another or others.
use of communication technologies for the intention of harming another person
use of internet service and mobile technologies such as web pages and discussion groups as well as instant messaging or SMS text messaging with the intention of harming another person.
I don't think griefing "harms another person". It can be annoying, but it just a game after all. If you were to start going out of your way to constantly harass and put down this kid, that would be cyberbullying.
Now we don't know how many times this "friend" griefed the kid or how much effort the kid put into what was griefed, but you've essentially described what he did. Cyber bullying is mentally breaking down someone. If the kid put that much time and effort into that world, or is attached to his world... then griefing what he built is an attempt to mentally break him down. Minecraft may be a game, but it's also an opportunity to be creative. It's no different than smudging an artists painting or destroying someone's Death Star build out of Legos. If someone puts their heart, time, and effort into something... and someone else comes along and intentionally destroys it, then they're doing it to mentally break you down and get to you.
To answer your main question, personally, I don't think griefing is bullying. If the griefer manages to grief over and over again, then maayybe, but at that point, it's really the world owner's fault for not using the tools given to protect their stuff.
There's an important thing to clear up here.
it is NEVER the victim's fault for someone else choosing to do something bad to them.
Stating otherwise implies that it is rape victims who are to blame for being raped, not the rapists.
It is more correct to say that the victim may have failed to exercise precautions that would have helped them. But that is NOT the same as blaming the victim for another person choosing to do harm.
Understanding this nuance is going to help you NOT offend people with "blame the victim" veribiage when they have suffered more severe hardships.
That doesn't make a one-time griefing OK. It's still mean and nasty - something I personally wouldn't do to a friend or a stranger, old or young, even in jest. If a friend and I agree together to mutually destroy something in his world or that destroying each other's property was just part of the game in that world, then that's the only time I would consider destroying something in their world. If the friend is unaware of what is going on or if the friend objects in any way to what is going on, the perpetrator should stop themselves from doing it. Part of a "good joke" is knowing when the person on whom the joke is being played would not be laughing about it... and respecting that boundary.
That's another good point. Let's agree that we all may not equate griefing to has bad as burning down a real house.
But there's enough evidence to show that people who have been griefed are not happy and have hurt feelings.
that alone indicates that griefing is a bad thing to do to someone.
Knowing what's right and wrong isn't rocket science.
Well to understand if griefing is cyberbullying, let's take the "cyber" part out of it.
Would it still be considered bullying if it happened face-to-face?
If two kids were playing with blocks and one kid knocked down the other's block tower for no reason (except maybe "for the lulz"), wouldn't that be considered bullying? Even if it weren't a repeated offense, it's still a display of targeting someone, interfering with what they're doing, and laughing at them afterwards. And creative worlds are generally an art for those who build on them, so griefing them is like taking someone's sculpture that they spent a couple of days making, smashing it on the ground, and laughing at their reaction.
So considering all that, I'd have to say griefing IS cyberbullying.
I am absolutely serious. Typically griefing in rental properties is in the form of negligence like spilling sauce on carpets and not cleaning it up or being late with the rent and not paying the late fees or stacking bags of garbage in a house because they are too lazy to take the trash out side to the trash can or refusing to leave when evicted. But usually griefing in the real world is done for some other reason than just to make people suffer and there are real world remedies for tenants doing these things. The court system and the sheriffs department.
Time is the most precious commodity you have and when you are griefed someone is stealing it just for the pleasure of causing pain. The mentality of someone that enjoys causing pain (griefer) is the same mentality of a serial killer. I am more disgusted to see one of my servers has been griefed than to see a rental property griefed. In the past month I have evicted 2 tenants from houses. Both had been tenants for years and I have warned them repeatedly about infractions. I have also had griefers that I have permanently banned from the servers. I am more upset about the minecraft griefers than about the tenants. I have had some tenants that were evicted before and have been welcome back. But minecraft griefers get permanently banned and their friends get banned. If someone vouched for them when they came on the server there's a good chance they will be banned too.
If you were renting from me and griefed my minecraft world I would evict you in the real world with absolutely no hesitation or remorse.
The cool thing is you can murder the minecraft griefer and it be perfectly acceptable behavior. Personally, I'd burn their bed, then kill them. Repeatedly. Then blacklist them.
I've really wanted to do that with a few of my tenants, but unfortunately laws and stuff tend to frown on that sort of thing.
Well to understand if griefing is cyberbullying, let's take the "cyber" part out of it.
Would it still be considered bullying if it happened face-to-face?
If two kids were playing with blocks and one kid knocked down the other's block tower for no reason (except maybe "for the lulz"), wouldn't that be considered bullying? Even if it weren't a repeated offense, it's still a display of targeting someone, interfering with what they're doing, and laughing at them afterwards. And creative worlds are generally an art for those who build on them, so griefing them is like taking someone's sculpture that they spent a couple of days making, smashing it on the ground, and laughing at their reaction.
So considering all that, I'd have to say griefing IS cyberbullying.
Indeed.
My definition of bullying doesn't require repeating the offense against the victim. And I would bet, as each griefer victim enacted defenses afterwards, that the griefer has a history of repeating the attack on different victims. A serial griefer so to speak.
Bullying is almost always psychological in harm to the victim. A school yard punk who takes your lunch money is robbing you. the school yard bully who keeps pushing you down, calling you names is primarily after the psychological effect on you.
A Griefer is like an internet troll. Both are trying to get a psychological response from you.
Griefing in the minecraft is as bad as stealing or vandalism in the real world and should be punished accordingly. That is not a joke. I'm a landlord and have my real world property griefed sometimes and I feel as strongly about minecraft griefing as I do about rental property griefing. I have had to call the sheriff and take people to court in the real world and if I could I would not hesitate to do the same to griefers of the minecraft.
If anything minecraft griefing is worse than real world griefing because minecraft griefers are people that grief simply because they enjoy causing people pain. That type of mentality and person has no place in society and should be eliminated permanently.
Dude you are out of your mind. As bad as stealing or vandalism in the real world? REALLY?!? you have to be pulling my leg right? Please for the love of god call a cop on a griefer. PLEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSEEEEEEE.
Well to understand if griefing is cyberbullying, let's take the "cyber" part out of it.
Would it still be considered bullying if it happened face-to-face?
If two kids were playing with blocks and one kid knocked down the other's block tower for no reason (except maybe "for the lulz"), wouldn't that be considered bullying? Even if it weren't a repeated offense, it's still a display of targeting someone, interfering with what they're doing, and laughing at them afterwards. And creative worlds are generally an art for those who build on them, so griefing them is like taking someone's sculpture that they spent a couple of days making, smashing it on the ground, and laughing at their reaction.
So considering all that, I'd have to say griefing IS cyberbullying.
again, unless its repeated it is NOT bullying. The scenario you just listed is NOT bullying.
Now my friend greifed a little kid and he was called a cyber bullying and some other words so is greifing cyber bullying.Lets face it people if your even if a conversation happens like this it is bullying
Little kid : "Your a jerk "
You : "Shut up kid "
Little kid " I am telling my principal your bullying me"
Well to understand if griefing is cyberbullying, let's take the "cyber" part out of it.
Would it still be considered bullying if it happened face-to-face?
And this is where I'm saying... there's not enough information presented by the OP to make that determination. It's not necessarily the amount of repetition that defines it... it's the intent. A one-off joke gone wrong probably would not be considered "bullying." (Mean, nasty, in bad taste, yes... but not likely bullying.) A one-off intent to harm (especially if that intent includes to eventually "mentally break down" the victim) could be considered "bullying." The intent to "mentally break down" someone else implies an intent to repeat the action (depending on the degree of "success" of the first attempt). Bullies very rarely are satisfied that they've done enough harm to their victims with just one attempt. They usually at least try to repeat and increase the harm done over time. If they can't repeat against their initial victim, they usually find another victim... establishing a pattern of behavior. The OP hasn't told us whether or not his friend fits that pattern of behavior. The little kid, therefore, may have been either wrong or perhaps right on the money in assessing the circumstances as bullying.
And if your asking if it is bullying, you probably know the answer. Your description of what happened is so vague, I think there is more to the story. The kid just starts cussing like Popeye the sailor(he cussed in the old toons). What happened that the little kid felt he needed to tell you off?
Little kid : "Your a jerk "
You : "Shut up kid "
Little kid " I am telling my principal your bullying me"
So is greifing cyber bullying.
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But no. That conversation isn't bullying. In my eyes, bullying is something that happens multiple times, and just calling someone a bad name once (or telling them to shut up) is not bullying, just normal internet bullcrap.
To answer your main question, personally, I don't think griefing is bullying. If the griefer manages to grief over and over again, then maayybe, but at that point, it's really the world owner's fault for not using the tools given to protect their stuff.
Oh, and sidenote: I'm pretty sure a random kid's principal won't be able to do anything to you. Unless the kid has proof that you've been threatening him or something, then it's all crap.
I don't think griefing "harms another person". It can be annoying, but it just a game after all. If you were to start going out of your way to constantly harass and put down this kid, that would be cyberbullying.
what tools?
Griefing in the minecraft is as bad as stealing or vandalism in the real world and should be punished accordingly. That is not a joke. I'm a landlord and have my real world property griefed sometimes and I feel as strongly about minecraft griefing as I do about rental property griefing. I have had to call the sheriff and take people to court in the real world and if I could I would not hesitate to do the same to griefers of the minecraft.
If anything minecraft griefing is worse than real world griefing because minecraft griefers are people that grief simply because they enjoy causing people pain. That type of mentality and person has no place in society and should be eliminated permanently.
IAMBaldur888, you sound serious, but surely you can't be. I can't believe that anyone who feels this way also has the earning capacity to purchase an investment property. Someone burning down your investment property causes real and actual financial hardship upon you. Nothing you can build in minecraft has any worth in the real world. You will not default on your mortgage repayments because someone steals your diamonds in minecraft. Seriously dude. Can you imagine calling your lawyer or the sheriff and asking for someone to be arrested or charged for putting a bucket a lava down in the middle of your house in minecraft. I've read some incredibly stupid things on these forums, but this takes the chocolates.
I am absolutely serious. Typically griefing in rental properties is in the form of negligence like spilling sauce on carpets and not cleaning it up or being late with the rent and not paying the late fees or stacking bags of garbage in a house because they are too lazy to take the trash out side to the trash can or refusing to leave when evicted. But usually griefing in the real world is done for some other reason than just to make people suffer and there are real world remedies for tenants doing these things. The court system and the sheriffs department.
Time is the most precious commodity you have and when you are griefed someone is stealing it just for the pleasure of causing pain. The mentality of someone that enjoys causing pain (griefer) is the same mentality of a serial killer. I am more disgusted to see one of my servers has been griefed than to see a rental property griefed. In the past month I have evicted 2 tenants from houses. Both had been tenants for years and I have warned them repeatedly about infractions. I have also had griefers that I have permanently banned from the servers. I am more upset about the minecraft griefers than about the tenants. I have had some tenants that were evicted before and have been welcome back. But minecraft griefers get permanently banned and their friends get banned. If someone vouched for them when they came on the server there's a good chance they will be banned too.
If you were renting from me and griefed my minecraft world I would evict you in the real world with absolutely no hesitation or remorse.
That doesn't make a one-time griefing OK. It's still mean and nasty - something I personally wouldn't do to a friend or a stranger, old or young, even in jest. If a friend and I agree together to mutually destroy something in his world or that destroying each other's property was just part of the game in that world, then that's the only time I would consider destroying something in their world. If the friend is unaware of what is going on or if the friend objects in any way to what is going on, the perpetrator should stop themselves from doing it. Part of a "good joke" is knowing when the person on whom the joke is being played would not be laughing about it... and respecting that boundary.
Now we don't know how many times this "friend" griefed the kid or how much effort the kid put into what was griefed, but you've essentially described what he did. Cyber bullying is mentally breaking down someone. If the kid put that much time and effort into that world, or is attached to his world... then griefing what he built is an attempt to mentally break him down. Minecraft may be a game, but it's also an opportunity to be creative. It's no different than smudging an artists painting or destroying someone's Death Star build out of Legos. If someone puts their heart, time, and effort into something... and someone else comes along and intentionally destroys it, then they're doing it to mentally break you down and get to you.
There's an important thing to clear up here.
it is NEVER the victim's fault for someone else choosing to do something bad to them.
Stating otherwise implies that it is rape victims who are to blame for being raped, not the rapists.
It is more correct to say that the victim may have failed to exercise precautions that would have helped them. But that is NOT the same as blaming the victim for another person choosing to do harm.
Understanding this nuance is going to help you NOT offend people with "blame the victim" veribiage when they have suffered more severe hardships.
That's another good point. Let's agree that we all may not equate griefing to has bad as burning down a real house.
But there's enough evidence to show that people who have been griefed are not happy and have hurt feelings.
that alone indicates that griefing is a bad thing to do to someone.
Knowing what's right and wrong isn't rocket science.
Would it still be considered bullying if it happened face-to-face?
If two kids were playing with blocks and one kid knocked down the other's block tower for no reason (except maybe "for the lulz"), wouldn't that be considered bullying? Even if it weren't a repeated offense, it's still a display of targeting someone, interfering with what they're doing, and laughing at them afterwards. And creative worlds are generally an art for those who build on them, so griefing them is like taking someone's sculpture that they spent a couple of days making, smashing it on the ground, and laughing at their reaction.
So considering all that, I'd have to say griefing IS cyberbullying.
The cool thing is you can murder the minecraft griefer and it be perfectly acceptable behavior. Personally, I'd burn their bed, then kill them. Repeatedly. Then blacklist them.
I've really wanted to do that with a few of my tenants, but unfortunately laws and stuff tend to frown on that sort of thing.
Indeed.
My definition of bullying doesn't require repeating the offense against the victim. And I would bet, as each griefer victim enacted defenses afterwards, that the griefer has a history of repeating the attack on different victims. A serial griefer so to speak.
Bullying is almost always psychological in harm to the victim. A school yard punk who takes your lunch money is robbing you. the school yard bully who keeps pushing you down, calling you names is primarily after the psychological effect on you.
A Griefer is like an internet troll. Both are trying to get a psychological response from you.
Dude you are out of your mind. As bad as stealing or vandalism in the real world? REALLY?!? you have to be pulling my leg right? Please for the love of god call a cop on a griefer. PLEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSEEEEEEE.
again, unless its repeated it is NOT bullying. The scenario you just listed is NOT bullying.
No actually that conversation is NOT bullying.
And this is where I'm saying... there's not enough information presented by the OP to make that determination. It's not necessarily the amount of repetition that defines it... it's the intent. A one-off joke gone wrong probably would not be considered "bullying." (Mean, nasty, in bad taste, yes... but not likely bullying.) A one-off intent to harm (especially if that intent includes to eventually "mentally break down" the victim) could be considered "bullying." The intent to "mentally break down" someone else implies an intent to repeat the action (depending on the degree of "success" of the first attempt). Bullies very rarely are satisfied that they've done enough harm to their victims with just one attempt. They usually at least try to repeat and increase the harm done over time. If they can't repeat against their initial victim, they usually find another victim... establishing a pattern of behavior. The OP hasn't told us whether or not his friend fits that pattern of behavior. The little kid, therefore, may have been either wrong or perhaps right on the money in assessing the circumstances as bullying.
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