Hello all. I decided to post this question on here to see what the minecraft world could come up with. I had an idea to build a base based (lol) on a drawing of a bomber alert facility in MO.
I have been all around this building inside and out in the past, and I know that it's not accurate anymore after the remodel, but this is what I want to build. Here's the problem. I'm trying to lay out a grid on the picture so that each box will equal one block, going off the assumption that the doos in the drawing are equal to one block as well, to then print out (or just put the monitor next to the couch) and build it in the 360. I have been fighting with the gridlines in excel to do just this, but it is turning into a nightmare.
So... I post here seeing if anyone else has ever done this and / or has a better idea on how to create the gridlines necessary.
Thank you all and have a wonderful day/night/weekend/Other
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I don't know what the exterior looks like as far as details. But some times a one to one ratio is not the best method. I suggest taking some advice I read from a MC shipbuilder and do the interior rooms first. Start at the center, get the room the way it looks IRL. Then the rest should just come. If you start with the perimeter first it may be way to cramped and unrealistic looking when you get to the center hallway.
Thank you Right after I posted, I finally got excel to show the gridlines, then just copied it onto a graph paper. If I have done it correctly (a few hours later, I just got done with one floor before posting this) then it actually ended up being a little bit larger than I had intended. But now that I think about it, I didn't even factor in height I wont know how big it really is till I get it in game, but at my count, it's basically somewhere 86 X 31 blocks from door to door and not including the mechanical room or mole hole exits.That seems to really put things out of porportion just on a floor plan view but I guess we'll see after I get at least the first layer down. But now it's time for bed, as I got to be at work at 6 Can't I just call in sick and play MC?
Edit: After reviewing the drawing again, it kinda is a long building. Anyone have any ideas as to what to do with the height? It's two floors and i'm not actually going to put it underground like it's supposed to be, mainly because 360 flat world only goes 3 blocks deep
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― Nikola Tesla
Oh c'mon. You can find a random seed with the perfect back hillside thing. With a fully inclosed sub level. It's on the minecraft bucket list; make a building from your life.
you might want to do at least 2 block thick floor; so that the lower floor can have its' own ceiling and the above its' own floor. Height space maybe 3-4 blocks for interior space. Since I've never seen the place irl, that would be my estimate. if it was spacious or high ceiling then maybe 1-2 more blocks more than what I mentioned per floor. Keep in mind to have 2 blocks between each floor at least. 3 if you plan to add some redstone engineering to it.
Over all just looking at the diagrams, that is one massive complex in minecraft terms... A hefty undertaking if you can get it to look the way you want it to.
Also even if you do it on a flat world you could always go back and terraform a hill around the lower half so it looks like part of a hill or more natural.. Just an idea...
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Note: I showed my father these pictures as it's where he used to be stationed, and he was concerned about security issues, so here's my disclaimer All of these pictures are taken from the Library of Congress website, and are (I believe) publicly available in person as well. Also, the drawing is innacurate since there was a huge remodel a while back. There
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From the look of those pics 6 of 6 and the photos... I would say 3 blocks at least and still have the 2 block in between, as that is what it appears in the 6 of 6 pic. The thickness between the floor looks to be rather almost half a floor to begin with.
And no problem... I always look at many possibilities as I can, even I forget a few sometimes....lol
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My rule of thumb for room height is 3 blocks for a traditional 9 ft ceiling.
Tamorr nailed it with ceiling / floor considerations. To allow for different colored floor / ceilings, you need at least 2 blocks, and 3 if you need to run redstone between floors.
I think you are on the right track! From my drafting experience [years ago, ha] you really just need a scale. If you decide that 1' = 1 block in Minecraft go with it. I think the blocks are supposed to be more like 1 meter [~3 ft] but I could be wrong.
I've done several builds off plans tho they are generally plans *I* came up with. Graph paper is PERFECT for this and if you're really fancy you can get isometric graph paper to do your "3D" views vs just flat prints.
The hardest part of going from blueprints to building, especially with what you have, is that while you have the floorplan [which is great] you don't have a whole lot of detail on what the rooms actually look like inside and basically "elevation" drawings [unless I missed that in the thread] to know what the sides look like. That said, if you aren't hellbent on making it identical you can do whatever the heck you want.
I think you are on the right track! From my drafting experience [years ago, ha] you really just need a scale. If you decide that 1' = 1 block in Minecraft go with it. I think the blocks are supposed to be more like 1 meter [~3 ft] but I could be wrong.
I've done several builds off plans tho they are generally plans *I* came up with. Graph paper is PERFECT for this and if you're really fancy you can get isometric graph paper to do your "3D" views vs just flat prints.
The hardest part of going from blueprints to building, especially with what you have, is that while you have the floorplan [which is great] you don't have a whole lot of detail on what the rooms actually look like inside and basically "elevation" drawings [unless I missed that in the thread] to know what the sides look like. That said, if you aren't hellbent on making it identical you can do whatever the heck you want.
I found that after fighting nearly to the death with Excel just trying to get the gridlines to display where I wanted over the drawing, was to assume that the length of a door was basically one block, which is the case in MC. So taking the picture and making it transparent and adjust the grid so that one line was on one end of a door and the next was at the other end, then just counted the blocks that filled a room. The lines came out to be 6 pixels spacing per Excel... I think... I added a block for walls and adjust some of the room sizes, and then copied it down to graph paper. I had completely forgotten about Structure Planner so I might take a look at that again and see if I can't build it there first. Cause a mouse is so much easier to move blocks with than a mouse
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Never mind on the structure planner. I've been out of MC for so long I didn't realize it was abandoned Kinda sad actually, but I'm not gonna take the time to screw with Java on this machine just to use it... So hand building it is once I get the chance. Too bad there's not an MCEdit360 Oh well, half the fun I guess
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I have designed/built some massive domes in MCXB and I use the paint program on my laptop. If you zoom in all the way while it is in grid view it will show each individual pixel. Each pixel= one block in game. Oh and to help you with a scale reference each block is 1 meter (3.2808399 feet or ~ 3 feet 4 inches)
was to assume that the length of a door was basically one block, which is the case in MC
Makes sense and matches with the "1 block = 1 meter" I've seen posted before [wiki maybe?]. A normal ADA accessible door is 36" wide which is 3' and roughly 1m.
Glad you figured it out! I'm with ya, I miss MCEdit!!
Sorry I went kinda quiet there for a while. As soon as I can figure out how to hide pictures I will upload some on here for what I have done so far
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Ok, now that I feel dumb for not remembering one of the easier codes to use... Here's what I got so far. Mods, feel free to move this entire thread if need be, not that you need my permission
I started off with the graph paper, then marked out the perimeter of the building to see how it would look in general. The lines leading to the squares at the top was just for distance from the "air field" and showing which side was the front. The white lines are the few rooms so I would have some idea as to what it should look like.
I then decided, after much debate, to dig down the three layers to bedrock so that I wouldn't have to raise the terrain that much when finished. Of course, TNT was used much in this process I wish it was that easy to excavate like this... Heck, I wish the use of TNT like this was legal The white lines are for reference on where the tunnels leading to the entrances are located, to help line it up with the graph paper to make sure I didn't screw things up.
Then it was time to put pen to... er, maybe paper to MC? This is the basement floor minus the roof layer.
I've since added the basement roof but didn't think that was worth bothering my entire facebook friends list over This is one of the rooms. With some exceptions, the rooms are generally 4X5X3 Blocks and the entire building as of yet is made of stone brick. I toyed with using wood just for fun, but for whatever reason, I went a couple weeks in a rainy flat world, decided to live with the rain rather than start a new one. And somehow didn't notice that it storms... a lot... I've already lost a small in air structure to lightning.
There's quite a bit more work yet to do, as I haven't even had a chance to put the top level on paper yet. I think I am going with a roof, a gap, and then a floor for between the levels, and my wife has already promised to randomly turn the rooms into purple and pink wool >.> so I will have to hunt around to find those and fix them, then decorating
Laters,
-Rick
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The biggest issue I'm finding is that I decided to build a hill around the base to cover the basement, and filling it all with dirt is making my wrist hurt. Even with the creative autoplace... I should have put the hill in before making the tunnels up to the "ground level" but I'm not changing it for now. More pictures to come as soon as I have more done, but I don't think it will be long before I have the outside done.
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Drawing here: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/mo/mo1700/mo1799/sheet/00004v.jpg (Top floor)
and here http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/mo/mo1700/mo1799/sheet/00003v.jpg (Basement)
I have been all around this building inside and out in the past, and I know that it's not accurate anymore after the remodel, but this is what I want to build. Here's the problem. I'm trying to lay out a grid on the picture so that each box will equal one block, going off the assumption that the doos in the drawing are equal to one block as well, to then print out (or just put the monitor next to the couch) and build it in the 360. I have been fighting with the gridlines in excel to do just this, but it is turning into a nightmare.
So... I post here seeing if anyone else has ever done this and / or has a better idea on how to create the gridlines necessary.
Thank you all and have a wonderful day/night/weekend/Other
“My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”
― Nikola Tesla
Edit: After reviewing the drawing again, it kinda is a long building. Anyone have any ideas as to what to do with the height? It's two floors and i'm not actually going to put it underground like it's supposed to be, mainly because 360 flat world only goes 3 blocks deep
“My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”
― Nikola Tesla
Over all just looking at the diagrams, that is one massive complex in minecraft terms... A hefty undertaking if you can get it to look the way you want it to.
Also even if you do it on a flat world you could always go back and terraform a hill around the lower half so it looks like part of a hill or more natural.. Just an idea...
This is the drawing for the side of the building. I've looked at it a couple of times, but didn't really find it useful
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=Drawing:%20mo1799&fi=number&op=PHRASE&va=exact&co%20=hh&st=gallery&sg%20=%20true
And I found these really, really old pictures of the building, I've kinda skimmed through them. From what I've seen of DOD buildings, these people are just so boring
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=Photograph:%20mo1799&fi=number&op=PHRASE&va=exact&co%20=hh&st=gallery&sg%20=%20true
Note: I showed my father these pictures as it's where he used to be stationed, and he was concerned about security issues, so here's my disclaimer
Thanks all
“My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”
― Nikola Tesla
And no problem... I always look at many possibilities as I can, even I forget a few sometimes....lol
Tamorr nailed it with ceiling / floor considerations. To allow for different colored floor / ceilings, you need at least 2 blocks, and 3 if you need to run redstone between floors.
I've done several builds off plans tho they are generally plans *I* came up with. Graph paper is PERFECT for this and if you're really fancy you can get isometric graph paper to do your "3D" views vs just flat prints.
The hardest part of going from blueprints to building, especially with what you have, is that while you have the floorplan [which is great] you don't have a whole lot of detail on what the rooms actually look like inside and basically "elevation" drawings [unless I missed that in the thread] to know what the sides look like. That said, if you aren't hellbent on making it identical you can do whatever the heck you want.
I found that after fighting nearly to the death with Excel just trying to get the gridlines to display where I wanted over the drawing, was to assume that the length of a door was basically one block, which is the case in MC. So taking the picture and making it transparent and adjust the grid so that one line was on one end of a door and the next was at the other end, then just counted the blocks that filled a room. The lines came out to be 6 pixels spacing per Excel... I think... I added a block for walls and adjust some of the room sizes, and then copied it down to graph paper. I had completely forgotten about Structure Planner so I might take a look at that again and see if I can't build it there first. Cause a mouse is so much easier to move blocks with than a mouse
“My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”
― Nikola Tesla
“My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”
― Nikola Tesla
Makes sense and matches with the "1 block = 1 meter" I've seen posted before [wiki maybe?]. A normal ADA accessible door is 36" wide which is 3' and roughly 1m.
Glad you figured it out! I'm with ya, I miss MCEdit!!
“My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”
― Nikola Tesla
I started off with the graph paper, then marked out the perimeter of the building to see how it would look in general. The lines leading to the squares at the top was just for distance from the "air field" and showing which side was the front. The white lines are the few rooms so I would have some idea as to what it should look like.
I then decided, after much debate, to dig down the three layers to bedrock so that I wouldn't have to raise the terrain that much when finished. Of course, TNT was used much in this process
Then it was time to put pen to... er, maybe paper to MC? This is the basement floor minus the roof layer.
I've since added the basement roof but didn't think that was worth bothering my entire facebook friends list over
There's quite a bit more work yet to do, as I haven't even had a chance to put the top level on paper yet. I think I am going with a roof, a gap, and then a floor for between the levels, and my wife has already promised to randomly turn the rooms into purple and pink wool >.> so I will have to hunt around to find those and fix them, then decorating
Laters,
-Rick
“My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”
― Nikola Tesla
“My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”
― Nikola Tesla