The fee will be to the retailers but I guarantee that fee will be forwarded to the consumer when it is resold. Essentially 1 and/or 2 things will happen. Stores like Gamestop will pay even less for used games then they already do and/or used games will cost more to buy than they do now.
I would also assume that gaming companies will probably charge the retailers less money as the game gets older. I also wouldn't be surprised if games eventually have no fee eventually.
EA have already publicly stated that they didn't lobby Microsoft for this system.
At this point in time though the system is simply stupid. I can't see people wanting to download 20-50Gb games in droves, the hard drive is inadequate FOR that task, the 24-hour curfew is unnecessary and an insult. People will have to buy games on disc in the vast majority. Having the disc in the drive should be authentication enough.
also, people either like or abhor Kinect it seems. I fall in the latter camp, I just don't want a camera in my damn living room or bedroom, it's appallingly poor judgement to make that compulsory.
Ah but when you can share you games with you 'xbox family' which would be xboxes thousands of miles apart how are you going to get them the disk for authorisation ?
Apart from the fact that there IS going to be a fee when using second hand games, Microsoft have already said there will be. One Microsoft employee has even been quoted as saying that they will be charging you 'Full Price' for second hand games. I'm not even joking.
and there are any since then saying that simply isnt true, and indeed others saying the ONLY fees are down to the publishers and that any MS publications will have no extra fees for resale at all
Glad you like it i guess. But there is still a thing that i don't get : the users will take absolutely no advantage to this. What do you gain ? Nothing, just less options to resell your games and so possible days without your console if you have internet problems (quite rare those days, but still).
Ahah, it's not like MS is doing a favor for the publishers. I'm pretty sure that they do this to take a few bucks on every used game they will resale, and have a certain control on that business. It's pretty clever, i have to admit, but it's still absurd.
um no.. to all of it. . you can play for a totally of 24 hours offline. so unless your nets off for several days your good.
each publisher will have the right to chose whether or not to take a kick back on the re sale of their games. it wont be a fee so much as them taking a little of the top of the resale. i imagine it will be a small fee. almost as low as sales tax since they sold the game once already and millions of games are traded in and sold each year it will still add up to quite a bit and on a resale at that. again the money will go to the publisher of the game not MS. unless its a Microsoft studios game. this will likely not affect the sales price but possible the trade in value of the game. only time will tell. but it'd be ludicrous for them to expect even 20 cent on the dollar . this would drive up resale prices and kill the resale market and in turn kill game stop. and that would be a huge blow for the industry.
Yes, I regularly pop into GameStop, Games Radar, and Game Revolution.
"PlayStation 4 disc-based games don't need to be connected online to play or any type of authentication," said Tretton. "If you enjoy playing single-player games offline, PS4 won't require to you check in online period and it won't stop working if you haven't authenticated in 24 hours."
Like all Sony statements, it's very, very carefully worded. What he's saying is Sony will not do this and that- he doesn't say the publishers won't.
BTW, my question is: has Sony said anything at all lately about the Move? Oh, that's right. Just ignore it and keep bashing MS.
One more thing: if a console maker says "you can lend games to your friends all you want", and I was a publisher I'd be very upset! That will change shortly.
I'm bothered by the thought that I can not take my games to a friend of mine to play on his xbox.
If this only works ones this sucks.
I know only one person paid for the Game but why do they even sell games that have split screen mode if I should not use the game together with others. (=sharing)
* You can. Just go to his house and sign on to his xbox with your gamer tag. The game will load and you both can play. You two can play your game on his xbox as often as you want, as long as you sign on with your gamer tag. However, if you let him borrow the disk, he can only play it once (by himself).
* Sounds like you're confusing 'split screen' and 'multiplayer'.
Split screen is for 2-4 people to play a game on the same xbox, each using different controllers, in the same room together. They do not have to have a copy of the game themselves.
Multiplayer is when several players join a game (world) over the internet and they are in different places (across town or even different countries). In that case they do not have to be in the same room, but each does have to have a copy of the game. (But it's been that way for many years).
you can give a friend access to your game when he or she is at home and you can play it online together (Is this actually true? Sounds almost to good to be true now that I actually say it like this. Or is it so that can you lend it out to a friend to play and can't play it yourself in the meantime? If someone knows for sure...).
You can give up to 10 people access to your games, but if they are playing them, you cannot play it at the same time. You have to wait for them to stop. So if you and a friend want to play Minecraft, they have to buy it themselves.
I haven't made up my mind between them either, and probably won't for a while. I don't 'need' to get either one now (I currently have both).
But Sony seems to be concentrating on saying what we want to hear and skipping the "rest of the story". The other thing about the PS4 is…. nothing. It's a PS3 with better graphics. After 7 years, it doesn't bring anything new to the table. They just dropped a new engine in- but it's still the same old car.
At least MS is being upfront and bring new stuff to the table.
I'll vote for honesty and innovation any day.
I need to do a lot more research on either one, but one of the things that interest me about the xbox is that it (supposedly) handles "all your devices". This is a Big Deal to me. I would love to be able to switch to TV, Wii, Wii U, or PS3 by simple voice commands instead of having to manually change to the correct input for each. Don't know how, much less if, that will work.
I need to do a lot more research on either one, but one of the things that interest me about the xbox is that it (supposedly) handles "all your devices". This is a Big Deal to me. I would love to be able to switch to TV, Wii, Wii U, or PS3 by simple voice commands instead of having to manually change to the correct input for each. Don't know how, much less if, that will work.
I very much doubt you'll be able to switch to a different console while playing Xbox. I think they mean just stuff like TV and such. If you can plug other consoles in then that would be cool. But yea, that whole "The One console for your room thing is pretty cool"
The only thing I don't like about the Xbox One is the lack of being able to actually share games with my friends easily (like how Sony demonstrated). I'm leaning towards the Xbox One but I'm still not sure personally. I am much more used to Xbox and Xbox Live, and I very much want Halo 5
I think everybody should be mindful that there is a lot of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) being spread about the XbOne.
Some of it is more restrictions by MS, or just poorly explained defined concepts.
Most people with xbox 360's have a constant internet connection. MS knows this because they know how many they sold in total, and how many 360s they see sign on every day, week, month, year. The # of people who would be impacted by having an internet outage longer than 24 hours is acceptably low.
The purchasing of used game discs is a little convoluted, but the overall outcome is the same. You can sell your game, and you can buy a used game. You might pay a little more for used games than in the past. Considering that NOBODY buys used PC games or Android games or iOS games or PS Vita games, we ought to be getting away from disc-based games and their assumed marketplace anyway. Nobody's been ing that they couldn't buy a used copy of MineCraft 360 have they?
Furthermore, the "extra fee" or requirement to be online with an extra subscription (like an MMO) is determined by the publisher on both PS4 and the XbOne. While MS is outlining the mechanism that can work via poor choices of words, publishers on PS4 can do the same thing.
While some folks can live without the online game play on a PS4, the majority of users buying these internet-ready entertainment appliances (since the 360 and PS3) is likely doing a good chunk of online gaming. Sony's requiring Playstation Plus membership for that on the PS4, so that little "advantage" no longer exists on the Sony side of things.
The presence/availability of games on either platform is an expected point. It's a non-conversation point to fret about. Kind of like an old person asking for PC purchase advice, saying they want something that can get on the internet. Every PC that ships nowadays can get on the internet because they all ship with a netword card of some sort. It's expected and no longer a significant selling point, barring some retardic failure on the manufacturer's part.
The Kinect camera isn't going to be a big security risk ala NSA spying. The current gen on the 360 sucks for usage as a controller. It's likely to be just as stupid on the XbOne. The real virtue of a camera in the living room is we finally enter the era of the Video Phone that AT&T promised us in the 1970's. If you've ever talked to family from your 360 to their PC that is 1500 miles away, it's pretty cool. Skype's a major player in video chat, so this can be a powerful feature. I think MS is forcing the adoption by shipping the XbOne with it. If it hadn't increased the overall cost, that might have been a great strategy.
The chief advangage Sony has is their PS4 is $100 less than the XbOne ($399 vs $499). Sony got their butt handed to them when the the PS3 released for $599 compared to the 360's $399. The lesson being, a new top end game console needs to cost $399 on initial release. Everybody knows the actual cost is higher than $399 after you buy controllers, rechargers, etc. But the sub-concious decision point is $399 for the main console. Go over that, and people balk when the "equivalent" alternative is at that point.
I think everybody should be mindful that there is a lot of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) being spread about the XbOne.
Some of it is more restrictions by MS, or just poorly explained defined concepts.
Most people with xbox 360's have a constant internet connection. MS knows this because they know how many they sold in total, and how many 360s they see sign on every day, week, month, year. The # of people who would be impacted by having an internet outage longer than 24 hours is acceptably low.
The purchasing of used game discs is a little convoluted, but the overall outcome is the same. You can sell your game, and you can buy a used game. You might pay a little more for used games than in the past. Considering that NOBODY buys used PC games or Android games or iOS games or PS Vita games, we ought to be getting away from disc-based games and their assumed marketplace anyway. Nobody's been ing that they couldn't buy a used copy of MineCraft 360 have they?
Furthermore, the "extra fee" or requirement to be online with an extra subscription (like an MMO) is determined by the publisher on both PS4 and the XbOne. While MS is outlining the mechanism that can work via poor choices of words, publishers on PS4 can do the same thing.
While some folks can live without the online game play on a PS4, the majority of users buying these internet-ready entertainment appliances (since the 360 and PS3) is likely doing a good chunk of online gaming. Sony's requiring Playstation Plus membership for that on the PS4, so that little "advantage" no longer exists on the Sony side of things.
The presence/availability of games on either platform is an expected point. It's a non-conversation point to fret about. Kind of like an old person asking for PC purchase advice, saying they want something that can get on the internet. Every PC that ships nowadays can get on the internet because they all ship with a netword card of some sort. It's expected and no longer a significant selling point, barring some retardic failure on the manufacturer's part.
The Kinect camera isn't going to be a big security risk ala NSA spying. The current gen on the 360 sucks for usage as a controller. It's likely to be just as stupid on the XbOne. The real virtue of a camera in the living room is we finally enter the era of the Video Phone that AT&T promised us in the 1970's. If you've ever talked to family from your 360 to their PC that is 1500 miles away, it's pretty cool. Skype's a major player in video chat, so this can be a powerful feature. I think MS is forcing the adoption by shipping the XbOne with it. If it hadn't increased the overall cost, that might have been a great strategy.
The chief advangage Sony has is their PS4 is $100 less than the XbOne ($399 vs $499). Sony got their butt handed to them when the the PS3 released for $599 compared to the 360's $399. The lesson being, a new top end game console needs to cost $399 on initial release. Everybody knows the actual cost is higher than $399 after you buy controllers, rechargers, etc. But the sub-concious decision point is $399 for the main console. Go over that, and people balk when the "equivalent" alternative is at that point.
(Holy Crap!) You make me wanna buy the Xbox One.
I still wish the Kinect being on was optional, and as long as my friends can come over and play Halo on one console with four controllers... I'm good.
Yeah I agree MS is being up front, though often confusing is the real issue.
But then I am still having to tell supposed Playstation enthusiasts that they will have a fee for the PSN with the 4 as many havent a clue.
Sony is definintely being coy about certain things. The new Playstation Plus requirement for multiplayer is one of them. They very carefully worded their E3 press conference at certain points.
Kind of interested in what you think this "rest of the story" is, some grand conspiracy?
Working with your TV, improved kinect with new features, improved multi tasking…. should I go on?
As for the Sony…let me think…. oh yea, it's only claim to fame is that, well, it plays games better than the PS3 does.
The 'rest of the story' I've already given you links to- see 3rd page. Note that those are not what I think- it's what other people are saying, including Sony themselves.
All I'm saying is neither is a clear winner- or a clear looser. All this ragging on MS and praising Sony is awful premature.
It's a long time till Christmas and no telling what we'll find out... about both systems.
Ok guys you all argue about prices, restrictions, and things that you have no idea that are going to happen or not. These BS gets started every month and never changes. You want the answer to your questions well too bad. MS and Sony don't care about what will make the user's happy just what will make them the largest amount of profit. People are argueing about having to pay for online for the PS4 but who cares. MS has been doing it since the beginning and people got over it. The consoles that are coming out are a joke. It takes them almost a decade to come out with a new system that still can't compete with most modern pcs.then people complain about having to be connected to the internet. Well thats a big deal. Alot of the world doesn't have access to 24/7 internet. In most cases the more people without internet bought the consoles.
That scenario has already been covered.
He can play it for free once…. after that he has to buy it if he wants to continue playing it. It may be at a discount, it may be full price. That's up to the publisher. Either way there's no extra "fee".
As I understand it, there's only one time any fee is paid by anybody: when the retailer (i.e., gamestop) sells a used game…. and he'll just include the fee in the price. ("The game is $_____, do you want it or not?"). Other than that, no "fee" is paid by anybody, and in reality, you'll never know if there's a fee in the price of a game or not.
24 hour check in isn't about the user, its about the developers and publishers. Funny that MS is taking the heat for it and the devs are all like, "ummmmmm...." I lol'd at Mr. Ubisoft's comments that he supports used games sales, blah blah blah, But I had to dig out a little activation code to play AC 3 online. Publishers have been crying about the used game epidemic for years, now they have a console to back them up, and they're pretending they weren't complicit. I think they (MS) are throwing us a bone by allowing us to switch games without switching media. (My idea of heaven. Now to install a fridge and toilet next to my recliner!)
I have a real love/hate relationship with Gamestop. Half of me wants them go down in flames. The other half of me would miss the plethora of over-priced used games that line their shelves.
It makes me sick to see them offer $20 for a game that's 30 days old. I only purchase used games when I'm rounding out my collection with "greatest hits" or purchasing something for my son or nephews. The greatest hits can usually be had new for an extra $5-10 on the used price anyway. My son/nephews are all small and can really wreck DVDs. That's not so much of a problem anymore with the One.
If making little johnny pay 5 bucks more for that used copy of Halo 7 means we all see a reduction in price for new games OR publishers more willing to take chances on new IPs due to healthier bottom lines, well sucks to be little Johnny.
Kinect 2.0:
IMO - This would be a non issue had it not been for the NSA revelations, and we'd all still be comfortably ignorant. No exec at MS had any control over that, and I'm sure the implications are still being digested. Is some Booz-Allen contractor going to be watching while I'm crafting? Watching a movie with my wife? Other things ? Probably not, but if big brother wants to watch, he's going to watch. I have a Guy Fawkes mask waiting for them, but, for anyone interested, I don't plan jihad or build bombs in my living room....
So you think they are just going to let you give the disc to a friend and he's going to be able to put it in his XBO and play it without paying a fee first?
Deluded
If it's that big of a problem add the kid to your family list. Then he can play it whenever he wants as long as nobody else is using it at the same time. That's the same as lending it. You wouldn't be able to play it if you lent it to him anyway.
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"Third party publishers, like Activision, Ubisoft and Square-Enix, however, may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers." - IGN
Search it up on the internet. Microsoft has said countless times that the fee is for RETAILERS. Stop spreading false information.
I would also assume that gaming companies will probably charge the retailers less money as the game gets older. I also wouldn't be surprised if games eventually have no fee eventually.
Ah but when you can share you games with you 'xbox family' which would be xboxes thousands of miles apart how are you going to get them the disk for authorisation ?
and there are any since then saying that simply isnt true, and indeed others saying the ONLY fees are down to the publishers and that any MS publications will have no extra fees for resale at all
um no.. to all of it. . you can play for a totally of 24 hours offline. so unless your nets off for several days your good.
each publisher will have the right to chose whether or not to take a kick back on the re sale of their games. it wont be a fee so much as them taking a little of the top of the resale. i imagine it will be a small fee. almost as low as sales tax since they sold the game once already and millions of games are traded in and sold each year it will still add up to quite a bit and on a resale at that. again the money will go to the publisher of the game not MS. unless its a Microsoft studios game. this will likely not affect the sales price but possible the trade in value of the game. only time will tell. but it'd be ludicrous for them to expect even 20 cent on the dollar . this would drive up resale prices and kill the resale market and in turn kill game stop. and that would be a huge blow for the industry.
Like all Sony statements, it's very, very carefully worded. What he's saying is Sony will not do this and that- he doesn't say the publishers won't.
http://www.slashgear...shers-11286065/
http://www.kotaku.co...-games-for-ps4/
http://www.computera...-like-xbox-one/
http://www.macgasm.n...tton-clarifies/
BTW, my question is: has Sony said anything at all lately about the Move? Oh, that's right. Just ignore it and keep bashing MS.
One more thing: if a console maker says "you can lend games to your friends all you want", and I was a publisher I'd be very upset! That will change shortly.
* You can. Just go to his house and sign on to his xbox with your gamer tag. The game will load and you both can play. You two can play your game on his xbox as often as you want, as long as you sign on with your gamer tag. However, if you let him borrow the disk, he can only play it once (by himself).
* Sounds like you're confusing 'split screen' and 'multiplayer'.
Split screen is for 2-4 people to play a game on the same xbox, each using different controllers, in the same room together. They do not have to have a copy of the game themselves.
Multiplayer is when several players join a game (world) over the internet and they are in different places (across town or even different countries). In that case they do not have to be in the same room, but each does have to have a copy of the game. (But it's been that way for many years).
You can give up to 10 people access to your games, but if they are playing them, you cannot play it at the same time. You have to wait for them to stop. So if you and a friend want to play Minecraft, they have to buy it themselves.
But Sony seems to be concentrating on saying what we want to hear and skipping the "rest of the story". The other thing about the PS4 is…. nothing. It's a PS3 with better graphics. After 7 years, it doesn't bring anything new to the table. They just dropped a new engine in- but it's still the same old car.
At least MS is being upfront and bring new stuff to the table.
I'll vote for honesty and innovation any day.
I need to do a lot more research on either one, but one of the things that interest me about the xbox is that it (supposedly) handles "all your devices". This is a Big Deal to me. I would love to be able to switch to TV, Wii, Wii U, or PS3 by simple voice commands instead of having to manually change to the correct input for each. Don't know how, much less if, that will work.
I very much doubt you'll be able to switch to a different console while playing Xbox. I think they mean just stuff like TV and such. If you can plug other consoles in then that would be cool. But yea, that whole "The One console for your room thing is pretty cool"
The only thing I don't like about the Xbox One is the lack of being able to actually share games with my friends easily (like how Sony demonstrated). I'm leaning towards the Xbox One but I'm still not sure personally. I am much more used to Xbox and Xbox Live, and I very much want Halo 5
Some of it is more restrictions by MS, or just poorly explained defined concepts.
Most people with xbox 360's have a constant internet connection. MS knows this because they know how many they sold in total, and how many 360s they see sign on every day, week, month, year. The # of people who would be impacted by having an internet outage longer than 24 hours is acceptably low.
The purchasing of used game discs is a little convoluted, but the overall outcome is the same. You can sell your game, and you can buy a used game. You might pay a little more for used games than in the past. Considering that NOBODY buys used PC games or Android games or iOS games or PS Vita games, we ought to be getting away from disc-based games and their assumed marketplace anyway. Nobody's been ing that they couldn't buy a used copy of MineCraft 360 have they?
Furthermore, the "extra fee" or requirement to be online with an extra subscription (like an MMO) is determined by the publisher on both PS4 and the XbOne. While MS is outlining the mechanism that can work via poor choices of words, publishers on PS4 can do the same thing.
While some folks can live without the online game play on a PS4, the majority of users buying these internet-ready entertainment appliances (since the 360 and PS3) is likely doing a good chunk of online gaming. Sony's requiring Playstation Plus membership for that on the PS4, so that little "advantage" no longer exists on the Sony side of things.
The presence/availability of games on either platform is an expected point. It's a non-conversation point to fret about. Kind of like an old person asking for PC purchase advice, saying they want something that can get on the internet. Every PC that ships nowadays can get on the internet because they all ship with a netword card of some sort. It's expected and no longer a significant selling point, barring some retardic failure on the manufacturer's part.
The Kinect camera isn't going to be a big security risk ala NSA spying. The current gen on the 360 sucks for usage as a controller. It's likely to be just as stupid on the XbOne. The real virtue of a camera in the living room is we finally enter the era of the Video Phone that AT&T promised us in the 1970's. If you've ever talked to family from your 360 to their PC that is 1500 miles away, it's pretty cool. Skype's a major player in video chat, so this can be a powerful feature. I think MS is forcing the adoption by shipping the XbOne with it. If it hadn't increased the overall cost, that might have been a great strategy.
The chief advangage Sony has is their PS4 is $100 less than the XbOne ($399 vs $499). Sony got their butt handed to them when the the PS3 released for $599 compared to the 360's $399. The lesson being, a new top end game console needs to cost $399 on initial release. Everybody knows the actual cost is higher than $399 after you buy controllers, rechargers, etc. But the sub-concious decision point is $399 for the main console. Go over that, and people balk when the "equivalent" alternative is at that point.
(Holy Crap!) You make me wanna buy the Xbox One.
I still wish the Kinect being on was optional, and as long as my friends can come over and play Halo on one console with four controllers... I'm good.
But then I am still having to tell supposed Playstation enthusiasts that they will have a fee for the PSN with the 4 as many havent a clue.
Working with your TV, improved kinect with new features, improved multi tasking…. should I go on?
As for the Sony…let me think…. oh yea, it's only claim to fame is that, well, it plays games better than the PS3 does.
The 'rest of the story' I've already given you links to- see 3rd page. Note that those are not what I think- it's what other people are saying, including Sony themselves.
All I'm saying is neither is a clear winner- or a clear looser. All this ragging on MS and praising Sony is awful premature.
It's a long time till Christmas and no telling what we'll find out... about both systems.
https://www.google.com/search?q=someone+on+the+internet+is+wrong&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=GlW8UevlI5LS8wShvYGQAg&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1896&bih=922
LOL
edit: posted in good humor
While I wont argue its a significant portion and it was a daft decision thats simply not true.
He can play it for free once…. after that he has to buy it if he wants to continue playing it. It may be at a discount, it may be full price. That's up to the publisher. Either way there's no extra "fee".
As I understand it, there's only one time any fee is paid by anybody: when the retailer (i.e., gamestop) sells a used game…. and he'll just include the fee in the price. ("The game is $_____, do you want it or not?"). Other than that, no "fee" is paid by anybody, and in reality, you'll never know if there's a fee in the price of a game or not.
24 hour check in isn't about the user, its about the developers and publishers. Funny that MS is taking the heat for it and the devs are all like, "ummmmmm...." I lol'd at Mr. Ubisoft's comments that he supports used games sales, blah blah blah, But I had to dig out a little activation code to play AC 3 online. Publishers have been crying about the used game epidemic for years, now they have a console to back them up, and they're pretending they weren't complicit. I think they (MS) are throwing us a bone by allowing us to switch games without switching media. (My idea of heaven. Now to install a fridge and toilet next to my recliner!)
I have a real love/hate relationship with Gamestop. Half of me wants them go down in flames. The other half of me would miss the plethora of over-priced used games that line their shelves.
It makes me sick to see them offer $20 for a game that's 30 days old. I only purchase used games when I'm rounding out my collection with "greatest hits" or purchasing something for my son or nephews. The greatest hits can usually be had new for an extra $5-10 on the used price anyway. My son/nephews are all small and can really wreck DVDs. That's not so much of a problem anymore with the One.
If making little johnny pay 5 bucks more for that used copy of Halo 7 means we all see a reduction in price for new games OR publishers more willing to take chances on new IPs due to healthier bottom lines, well sucks to be little Johnny.
Kinect 2.0:
IMO - This would be a non issue had it not been for the NSA revelations, and we'd all still be comfortably ignorant. No exec at MS had any control over that, and I'm sure the implications are still being digested. Is some Booz-Allen contractor going to be watching while I'm crafting? Watching a movie with my wife? Other things
If it's that big of a problem add the kid to your family list. Then he can play it whenever he wants as long as nobody else is using it at the same time. That's the same as lending it. You wouldn't be able to play it if you lent it to him anyway.