The typical phenomenon in nature is male pursuing female. In video games that seems exacerbated due to the anonymity and lack of negative social consequences. The best ways to avoid harassement are hide your identity, play with other girls or just play with more mature players. I'm a male and when I play COD games i often have my mic off due to squeakers. To me COD is a team game so if I have to mute several people in a lobby then I switch lobbies or play another game. There seems to be a lot less "make me a sandwich" comments in minecraft. They may just be the servers I'm on.
So do women feel you get more "make me a sandwich" comments in minecraft or other game platforms?
It's not really the "sandwich" problem for girl gamers...yes...it gets old fast, but it's more along the lines of how sometimes the gameplay shifts. I play gears of war. Mic muted, I get your normal onslaught of players attacking me. When mic is on... sometimes they back away... I don't want men going easy on me just because I'm a girl (and I rather suck at GOW), I want the game to be fair and played like there isn't a hint of estrogen around.
Companies advertise "Gamer Girls" (notice the order of the words). It's been slightly discussed but "Gamer Girls" are the sex appeal that companies shove into male/consumer faces. That brings another level to everything I've said above. "girl gamers" are thrown into the same group as a "gamer girl" with impressions like these.
Minecraft has always been a friendly experience for me. I've only ever played with friends and friends of friends though. I don't have to worry about random incoming messages from men showing me parts of them I don't want to see. Nor do I have to answer questions if I have a camera or not (cause you know it's not innocent what they want to see). It's those type of things that turn girl gamers away.
It's nice not having to worry and you can just enjoy the game. I believe that is also just the mindset of Minecraft though. There's nothing overly aggressive. It, for the most part, is a game of creativity...and not one experience is the same as another.
They still would. The internet is full of preteen boys who think that "sammich" jokes are still funny. I find that many of the younger set play games with their "real life" friends, so when you get one "sammich" joke, you get tons.
I completely agree with you. COD is a team game, it's just that most people don't play it like one. Everyone's interested in their K/D, but K/D doesn't mean anything if you lose every game because you're camping.
To your other point, I don't play Minecraft with people I don't know often, but I've never gotten a single "make me a sandwich" from people I've played with on it.
IMO COD is not structured as a team game at all.
Firstly it creates its own importance on KD. Killstreaks for example, good players get them bad players don't If it was a team game it might be teams kills or given to you for PTO.
The only reward for helping somebody is getting an assist which is less than getting a kill on your own (most players will also say its stealing a kill instead of helping)
Compare this to battlefield which rewards you for assists, spotting, resupllying, motion sensor assist, assists, target hit assist for laser designations, resupllying, healing, reviving, driver assist, passenger assist, squad driver assist (for squads which encourage spawning on and sticking with your squad), squad spawned on you, vehicle disabled (this is a reward for basicly making a vehicle close to unusable for your enemy) , vehicle destroy assists.
Not all Gamemodes are as team based as others eg. TDM but this is where the mechanics still exist in even these more lone wolf type of modes.
When in COD the team play must be applied and is not built into the game, this incourages playing just for the kills because your rarely rewarded for helping others out.
Ramble over.
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I put my shirt on one leg at a time, just like everybody else.
IMO COD is not structured as a team game at all.
Firstly it creates its own importance on KD. Killstreaks for example, good players get them bad players don't If it was a team game it might be teams kills or given to you for PTO.
The only reward for helping somebody is getting an assist which is less than getting a kill on your own (most players will also say its stealing a kill instead of helping)
Compare this to battlefield which rewards you for assists, spotting, resupllying, motion sensor assist, assists, target hit assist for laser designations, resupllying, healing, reviving, driver assist, passenger assist, squad driver assist (for squads which encourage spawning on and sticking with your squad), squad spawned on you, vehicle disabled (this is a reward for basicly making a vehicle close to unusable for your enemy) , vehicle destroy assists.
Not all Gamemodes are as team based as others eg. TDM but this is where the mechanics still exist in even these more lone wolf type of modes.
When in COD the team play must be applied and is not built into the game, this incourages playing just for the kills because your rarely rewarded for helping others out.
Ramble over.
Sorry, man, I'm not here to get into a COD/Battlefield fight. I will say this, the next time you can beat a team of six in COD by yourself in Hardpoint/Headquarters, you let me know.
It's not really the "sandwich" problem for girl gamers...yes...it gets old fast, but it's more along the lines of how sometimes the gameplay shifts. I play gears of war. Mic muted, I get your normal onslaught of players attacking me. When mic is on... sometimes they back away... I don't want men going easy on me just because I'm a girl (and I rather suck at GOW), I want the game to be fair and played like there isn't a hint of estrogen around.
Companies advertise "Gamer Girls" (notice the order of the words). It's been slightly discussed but "Gamer Girls" are the sex appeal that companies shove into male/consumer faces. That brings another level to everything I've said above. "girl gamers" are thrown into the same group as a "gamer girl" with impressions like these.
Minecraft has always been a friendly experience for me. I've only ever played with friends and friends of friends though. I don't have to worry about random incoming messages from men showing me parts of them I don't want to see. Nor do I have to answer questions if I have a camera or not (cause you know it's not innocent what they want to see). It's those type of things that turn girl gamers away.
It's nice not having to worry and you can just enjoy the game. I believe that is also just the mindset of Minecraft though. There's nothing overly aggressive. It, for the most part, is a game of creativity...and not one experience is the same as another.
I've never noticed people backing off from me in a game, for being a girl. I didn't know that it happened...
I think you're totally right about the girl gamer thing. It's gotten to a point that there are boys/men that actually believe that women only play games to impress the opposite sex.
I know so many female gamers and most of them are more competitive when it comes to first person shooters, and lay back games such as minecraft. My cousin plays Halo and Cod and When I let her stay at my house I can't believe how angry she gets (like throw the controller at the wall MAD)
I had to actually compound my wall because she put a hole in it lol <----- I still have yet to sand it (laziness maybe?)
I've never noticed people backing off from me in a game, for being a girl. I didn't know that it happened...
I think you're totally right about the girl gamer thing. It's gotten to a point that there are boys/men that actually believe that women only play games to impress the opposite sex.
It's more noticible slightly in an MMO setting (giving female characters gifts/money to possibly hook up)?
I'm just one person, this has just been my experience.
Sorry, man, I'm not here to get into a COD/Battlefield fight. I will say this, the next time you can beat a team of six in COD by yourself in Hardpoint/Headquarters, you let me know.
I'm not a great player especially at COD, well I still haven't played it in 2 or so years and I would consider myself better than adv at BF3 for a few different reasons.
But (sorry for arguing, I can't help it) I feel I know people familiar with the maps and the skill to easily beat another team doing most of the work.
I just want to say that recent CODs are the most overrated games of all time and quite possibly ruined the majority of this gaming generation.
Ya Girls Play, But There Just To Far In Between Is All, Theres Even Been Other Threads In The Past Asking The Same . I Would Imagine It Takes TimE.....Might Be A Long Time But Youll Find A Girl Player Inbthese Forums For Sure (Some Have eveN Responded To This Thread)
It's more noticible slightly in an MMO setting (giving female characters gifts/money to possibly hook up)?
I'm just one person, this has just been my experience.
Makes more sense that you'd see it more than me then, as I don't play MMOs typically. I'm not doubting it's happened, I was just making an observation, kind of.
I'm not a great player especially at COD, well I still haven't played it in 2 or so years and I would consider myself better than adv at BF3 for a few different reasons.
But (sorry for arguing, I can't help it) I feel I know people familiar with the maps and the skill to easily beat another team doing most of the work.
I just want to say that recent CODs are the most overrated games of all time and quite possibly ruined the majority of this gaming generation.
I'm the opposite, I haven't played Battlefield 3 in almost a year. Can't stand the gigabyte updates with my bad internet. >.< Takes wayy too long to download just to play a few games.
It seems we find ourselves on opposite ends of an argument quite often.
As for your last sentence, it's just that COD is the trend right now. First Person Shooters are "in" right now, and everyone figures that COD is the best example, since it flies off of the shelves every year. Before you know it, another genre will take it's place, and everyone will be all over RPGs or Platformers (examples, who knows what the next trend will be). I think I've read somewhere that speculators believe that the next console cycle would bring about a change in the direction of the trends.
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I'm the opposite, I haven't played Battlefield 3 in almost a year. Can't stand the gigabyte updates with my bad internet. >.< Takes wayy too long to download just to play a few games.
It seems we find ourselves on opposite ends of an argument quite often.
As for your last sentence, it's just that COD is the trend right now. First Person Shooters are "in" right now, and everyone figures that COD is the best example, since it flies off of the shelves every year. Before you know it, another genre will take it's place, and everyone will be all over RPGs or Platformers (examples, who knows what the next trend will be). I think I've read somewhere that speculators believe that the next console cycle would bring about a change in the direction of the trends.
I refuse to believe that's its just a trend.
If you listen to people that play COD only, play another game they complain like hell.
It is impossible for them to enjoy anything other than the same pace, same movement, same style.
They will comment on absolutely anything that is different, be it good or bad In your eyes.
Quite often making their final judgement of a game in a few minutes and putting COD back in.
I may be a COD hater, but COD fanboys are the most brainwashed people I've seen.
And yes my first online FPS was COD 4
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I only play with guys on Live.. not by choice but by default.. there is a couple girls/women from my job that are on my list but I don;'t really play with them because they suck at it ( COD ). Not that it's a reflection of anything.. just saying.
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I refuse to believe that's its just a trend.
If you listen to people that play COD only, play another game they complain like hell.
It is impossible for them to enjoy anything other than the same pace, same movement, same style.
They will comment on absolutely anything that is different, be it good or bad In your eyes.
Quite often making their final judgement of a game in a few minutes and putting COD back in.
I may be a COD hater, but COD fanboys are the most brainwashed people I've seen.
And yes my first online FPS was COD 4
Well, to be honest, it is my belief that the majority of COD players (or at least an extremely sizable portion) are younger than the targeted age. By that I mean that there are wayyy too many kids playing an M rated game. It makes sense that they'd only want to play COD, as you said, the fast pace keeps their attention better than many other games. I'm about ninety percent sure that once those "COD Kiddies" grow up, they'll stop the trend because they'll have higher attention spans.
That second to last sentence was an oxymoron. If you're a COD "hater" then you can't really have an opinion on COD "fanboys'" interest in COD. Coming from my experience, if someone labels themselves a "hater" on anything then they usually have an unreasonable opinion of people who like that particular thing.
It's always bothered me to hear people think they're so special for playing COD 4. I've played it. It's COD. No big deal.
The reason I said I played COD 4 was because I loved it.
It was my favourite game I ran around with an assault rifle and shotgun untill me and my brother found out how good the Mp5 was with stopping power
never got waw but I was really into MW2.
Then black ops where I played zombies with my friends mostly.
I was going to buy MW3 and continue the trend my veteran BF friend Ben told me how good BF3 was I played the Demo I liked to snipe and headshots with the SVD you started with were really rewarding feeling.
Dat drop, dem graphics, dat teamplay but like afool I was still looking at COD.
After much peer pressure I left COD for good, never buying MW3, instead I invested in battlefield 3 spent weeks before I got the first jet unlock... I was terrible at flying (to start).
To this very day I don't know if I would still enjoy COD, however I find slower paced games alot more immersing and fun( I'd assume I wouldn't enjoy COD because I found halo 4 a drag after a couple weeks (went back to Bf3).
What do you think about that?
I currently want to buy my own PC as my brothers laptop isn't cutting it for games like Arma 3 and etc.
I feel as though If I was never moved classes in year nine and never met Ben I would still be playing the same game.
Never enjoyed the minecraft demo.
And would not touch another game untill I was atleast 20 if I had not left gaming all together.
It's a hole that sucks people in and they can't get in without a strong pull or significant chain of events.
My friend still plays COD and can't give battlefield the time to simply learn to fly a helicopter without going right into a cliff.
Ever since I touched another game I began enjoying I was out of there quick realising a whole new world and finding my true love of games.
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I put my shirt on one leg at a time, just like everybody else.
The reason I said I played COD 4 was because I loved it.
It was my favourite game I ran around with an assault rifle and shotgun untill me and my brother found out how good the Mp5 was with stopping power
never got waw but I was really into MW2.
Then black ops where I played zombies with my friends mostly.
I was going to buy MW3 and continue the trend my veteran BF friend Ben told me how good BF3 was I played the Demo I liked to snipe and headshots with the SVD you started with were really rewarding feeling.
Dat drop, dem graphics, dat teamplay but like afool I was still looking at COD.
After much peer pressure I left COD for good, never buying MW3, instead I invested in battlefield 3 spent weeks before I got the first jet unlock... I was terrible at flying (to start).
To this very day I don't know if I would still enjoy COD, however I find slower paced games alot more immersing and fun( I'd assume I wouldn't enjoy COD because I found halo 4 a drag after a couple weeks (went back to Bf3).
What do you think about that?
I currently want to buy my own PC as my brothers laptop isn't cutting it for games like Arma 3 and etc.
I feel as though If I was never moved classes in year nine and never met Ben I would still be playing the same game.
Never enjoyed the minecraft demo.
And would not touch another game untill I was atleast 20 if I had not left gaming all together.
It's a hole that sucks people in and they can't get in without a strong pull or significant chain of events.
My friend still plays COD and can't give battlefield the time to simply learn to fly a helicopter without going right into a cliff.
Ever since I touched another game I began enjoying I was out of there quick realising a whole new world and finding my true love of games.
Everything you've said here goes against what you said in your post before it. You say that the "brainwashed" people who play COD won't ever enjoy other games, but then make another post saying that's exactly what you did. You even say that you might not have played a slower paced game if your friend hadn't shown you Battlefield. What you said there coincides perfectly with what I've been saying all along; it just takes a person finding a game they love more to put them off of COD.
Heck, I was the same way, when I was younger. The only game I would play was MW2. It was the only game I owned because it was all I wanted to play. Then I discovered Left 4 Dead, and since then I've been infatuated with zombies and all their different forms in gaming. Yes, I still play COD, but it's not every game I own anymore. Like I said, all it takes is one game that's different, and it'll make a person take a look at other games that are similar to that new game they discovered.
You might still enjoy COD...Maybe not Black Ops 2 (worst COD in my opinion, except for the zombies) but I loved MW3, still do. Halo 4 isn't a great indicator of if you would like COD or not. I love COD, and have loved Halo 3 and Reach, but I haven't played Halo 4 in months. It's not the greatest Halo.
I feel like we're completely derailing this thread, though, so this is my last reply. If you wish, we can continue in PM.
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I feel like we're derailing too but I'll let you look at this http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/03/13/call-of-duty-red-orchestra-2-interview/
I never really did that, I guess that means Im a good example.
As I said some people won't even change with a push makes me sad that this game is getting so much money off the same stuff every year.
But this can be made on topic by me saying that girls might prefer COD as a casual pick up and play option possibly because they've generally got more of a social life than boys. It's a stereotype but if feel it would be more than correct quite often.
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I put my shirt on one leg at a time, just like everybody else.
Heh back in the 80's women gamers were quite a bit rarer than in today market, but thats mainly because video games have matured from a geeky toy of old. My Girlfriend does not play many games the last video game console she played was the gameboy so getting used to the dual stick controls of modern games really confused her at the start. Now we play serious sam and Left for dead together and its pretty awesome! I also got her hooked on minecraft, after we watched that minecraft documentary that was on xbox live a while back. It kind of opened her eyes to what the game was really about, she still gets freaked out by the mobs though.
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Forum AdminCompanies advertise "Gamer Girls" (notice the order of the words). It's been slightly discussed but "Gamer Girls" are the sex appeal that companies shove into male/consumer faces. That brings another level to everything I've said above. "girl gamers" are thrown into the same group as a "gamer girl" with impressions like these.
Minecraft has always been a friendly experience for me. I've only ever played with friends and friends of friends though. I don't have to worry about random incoming messages from men showing me parts of them I don't want to see. Nor do I have to answer questions if I have a camera or not (cause you know it's not innocent what they want to see). It's those type of things that turn girl gamers away.
It's nice not having to worry and you can just enjoy the game. I believe that is also just the mindset of Minecraft though. There's nothing overly aggressive. It, for the most part, is a game of creativity...and not one experience is the same as another.
IMO COD is not structured as a team game at all.
Firstly it creates its own importance on KD. Killstreaks for example, good players get them bad players don't If it was a team game it might be teams kills or given to you for PTO.
The only reward for helping somebody is getting an assist which is less than getting a kill on your own (most players will also say its stealing a kill instead of helping)
Compare this to battlefield which rewards you for assists, spotting, resupllying, motion sensor assist, assists, target hit assist for laser designations, resupllying, healing, reviving, driver assist, passenger assist, squad driver assist (for squads which encourage spawning on and sticking with your squad), squad spawned on you, vehicle disabled (this is a reward for basicly making a vehicle close to unusable for your enemy) , vehicle destroy assists.
Not all Gamemodes are as team based as others eg. TDM but this is where the mechanics still exist in even these more lone wolf type of modes.
When in COD the team play must be applied and is not built into the game, this incourages playing just for the kills because your rarely rewarded for helping others out.
Ramble over.
Sorry, man, I'm not here to get into a COD/Battlefield fight. I will say this, the next time you can beat a team of six in COD by yourself in Hardpoint/Headquarters, you let me know.
I've never noticed people backing off from me in a game, for being a girl. I didn't know that it happened...
I think you're totally right about the girl gamer thing. It's gotten to a point that there are boys/men that actually believe that women only play games to impress the opposite sex.
I had to actually compound my wall because she put a hole in it lol <----- I still have yet to sand it (laziness maybe?)
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I remember when I played runescape I pretended to be a girl.
After two days I told him I was a man and walked off
I'm not a great player especially at COD, well I still haven't played it in 2 or so years and I would consider myself better than adv at BF3 for a few different reasons.
But (sorry for arguing, I can't help it) I feel I know people familiar with the maps and the skill to easily beat another team doing most of the work.
I just want to say that recent CODs are the most overrated games of all time and quite possibly ruined the majority of this gaming generation.
Makes more sense that you'd see it more than me then, as I don't play MMOs typically. I'm not doubting it's happened, I was just making an observation, kind of.
I'm the opposite, I haven't played Battlefield 3 in almost a year. Can't stand the gigabyte updates with my bad internet. >.< Takes wayy too long to download just to play a few games.
It seems we find ourselves on opposite ends of an argument quite often.
As for your last sentence, it's just that COD is the trend right now. First Person Shooters are "in" right now, and everyone figures that COD is the best example, since it flies off of the shelves every year. Before you know it, another genre will take it's place, and everyone will be all over RPGs or Platformers (examples, who knows what the next trend will be). I think I've read somewhere that speculators believe that the next console cycle would bring about a change in the direction of the trends.
I refuse to believe that's its just a trend.
If you listen to people that play COD only, play another game they complain like hell.
It is impossible for them to enjoy anything other than the same pace, same movement, same style.
They will comment on absolutely anything that is different, be it good or bad In your eyes.
Quite often making their final judgement of a game in a few minutes and putting COD back in.
I may be a COD hater, but COD fanboys are the most brainwashed people I've seen.
And yes my first online FPS was COD 4
Well, to be honest, it is my belief that the majority of COD players (or at least an extremely sizable portion) are younger than the targeted age. By that I mean that there are wayyy too many kids playing an M rated game. It makes sense that they'd only want to play COD, as you said, the fast pace keeps their attention better than many other games. I'm about ninety percent sure that once those "COD Kiddies" grow up, they'll stop the trend because they'll have higher attention spans.
That second to last sentence was an oxymoron. If you're a COD "hater" then you can't really have an opinion on COD "fanboys'" interest in COD. Coming from my experience, if someone labels themselves a "hater" on anything then they usually have an unreasonable opinion of people who like that particular thing.
It's always bothered me to hear people think they're so special for playing COD 4. I've played it. It's COD. No big deal.
Have you even read anything in the thread? Grow up.
It was my favourite game I ran around with an assault rifle and shotgun untill me and my brother found out how good the Mp5 was with stopping power
never got waw but I was really into MW2.
Then black ops where I played zombies with my friends mostly.
I was going to buy MW3 and continue the trend my veteran BF friend Ben told me how good BF3 was I played the Demo I liked to snipe and headshots with the SVD you started with were really rewarding feeling.
Dat drop, dem graphics, dat teamplay but like afool I was still looking at COD.
After much peer pressure I left COD for good, never buying MW3, instead I invested in battlefield 3 spent weeks before I got the first jet unlock... I was terrible at flying (to start).
To this very day I don't know if I would still enjoy COD, however I find slower paced games alot more immersing and fun( I'd assume I wouldn't enjoy COD because I found halo 4 a drag after a couple weeks (went back to Bf3).
What do you think about that?
I currently want to buy my own PC as my brothers laptop isn't cutting it for games like Arma 3 and etc.
I feel as though If I was never moved classes in year nine and never met Ben I would still be playing the same game.
Never enjoyed the minecraft demo.
And would not touch another game untill I was atleast 20 if I had not left gaming all together.
It's a hole that sucks people in and they can't get in without a strong pull or significant chain of events.
My friend still plays COD and can't give battlefield the time to simply learn to fly a helicopter without going right into a cliff.
Ever since I touched another game I began enjoying I was out of there quick realising a whole new world and finding my true love of games.
Everything you've said here goes against what you said in your post before it. You say that the "brainwashed" people who play COD won't ever enjoy other games, but then make another post saying that's exactly what you did. You even say that you might not have played a slower paced game if your friend hadn't shown you Battlefield. What you said there coincides perfectly with what I've been saying all along; it just takes a person finding a game they love more to put them off of COD.
Heck, I was the same way, when I was younger. The only game I would play was MW2. It was the only game I owned because it was all I wanted to play. Then I discovered Left 4 Dead, and since then I've been infatuated with zombies and all their different forms in gaming. Yes, I still play COD, but it's not every game I own anymore. Like I said, all it takes is one game that's different, and it'll make a person take a look at other games that are similar to that new game they discovered.
You might still enjoy COD...Maybe not Black Ops 2 (worst COD in my opinion, except for the zombies) but I loved MW3, still do. Halo 4 isn't a great indicator of if you would like COD or not. I love COD, and have loved Halo 3 and Reach, but I haven't played Halo 4 in months. It's not the greatest Halo.
I feel like we're completely derailing this thread, though, so this is my last reply. If you wish, we can continue in PM.
I never really did that, I guess that means Im a good example.
As I said some people won't even change with a push
But this can be made on topic by me saying that girls might prefer COD as a casual pick up and play option possibly because they've generally got more of a social life than boys. It's a stereotype but if feel it would be more than correct quite often.
Three generations all gaming.
That's something unique right there.