I'd say that's because so many twolls (twitter trolls) keep spamming them with whinging comments complaining about their worlds not working after the update comes out... all because they are too lazy or ignorant to read previous forum posts/tweets/news articles where 4J has already stated what the experience will be with existing worlds in 1.8.2.
I'd say that's because so many twolls (twitter trolls) keep spamming them with whinging comments complaining about their worlds not working after the update comes out... all because they are too lazy or ignorant to read previous forum posts/tweets/news articles where 4J has already stated what the experience will be with existing worlds in 1.8.2.
Yeah I understand that, I've just been getting fed up with 4J. They keep telling us the same things over and over, but refuse to let the fans be privy to the things they want to actually know. (Approx. release dates, map size issues) Why make yourself seem open to the public and the stay so tight-lipped on what people want to hear? It's like they try to keep anticipation high, but all they're really doing is pissing people off and driving them away. My Xbox friends list used to have at least 8 people on minecraft at any point in time, nowadays there might be one person playing. We want answers dammit! [/rant]
Edit: To clarify I'm mad at 4J not you. What you said was true
Yeah I understand that, I've just been getting fed up with 4J. They keep telling us the same things over and over, but refuse to let the fans be privy to the things they want to actually know. (Approx. release dates, map size issues) Why make yourself seem open to the public and the stay so tight-lipped on what people want to hear? It's like they try to keep anticipation high, but all they're really doing is pissing people off and driving them away. My Xbox friends list used to have at least 8 people on minecraft at any point in time, nowadays there might be one person playing. We want answers dammit! [/rant]
Edit: To clarify I'm mad at 4J not you. What you said was true
4J has been open about almost everything. They've already said why the map size is what it is. As for release dates, if you're referring to the 1.8.2 update, they don't know the release date. They are 4J, not Microsoft. They won't know anything until the update comes out of Cert Testing, just like us. At this point 4J are in the same boat as us.
Some may have known it, but none of us still knew if it would be true for the 1.8.2 update. They could have changed something that made it so that new terrain didn't spawn in old maps. Now we know that it's still the same as PC.
4J has been open about almost everything. They've already said why the map size is what it is. As for release dates, if you're referring to the 1.8.2 update, they don't know the release date. They are 4J, not Microsoft. They won't know anything until the update comes out of Cert Testing, just like us. At this point 4J are in the same boat as us.
Some may have known it, but none of us still knew if it would be true for the 1.8.2 update. They could have changed something that made it so that new terrain didn't spawn in old maps. Now we know that it's still the same as PC.
Link please, I've searched google and twitter pretty extensively and saw nothing addressing this
I said approximate release date. The company making the game doesn't have the slightest clue when it comes out? lol I don't believe that, sorry. When people were saying last month that the update was going to be released soon, I saw a lot of speculation but no hard facts from 4J except to say "no."
Link please, I've searched google and twitter pretty extensively and saw nothing addressing this
I said approximate release date. The company making the game doesn't have the slightest clue when it comes out? lol I don't believe that, sorry. When people were saying last month that the update was going to be released soon, I saw a lot of speculation but no hard facts from 4J except to say "no."
It's not up to 4J when it comes out. It's up to Microsoft. 4J will know when Microsoft tells them.
As for why the Xbox 360 cannot have a bigger world, here are these...
It's not up to 4J when it comes out. It's up to Microsoft. 4J will know when Microsoft tells them.
I think you miss the point. It can't come out until they're done with it. They would have a general idea of how far along they are and how long MS cert testing would be.
If you apply Logic, math, and a calendar, you have a pretty good idea when your product is coming out. I get it, 4J can do no wrong, but you're completely ignoring facts to defend them. I don't expect them to tell us the exact date when they're not positive. But a general time frame would be nice.
I'm just voicing the my opinions and those of the people on my friends list. A lot of people are tired of being jerked around "maybe it will come out in September, maybe not."
Oh and thanks for the link. I knew I read that somewhere but couldn't find it for a long time.
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I think you miss the point. It can't come out until they're done with it. They would have a general idea of how far along they are and how long MS cert testing would be.
If you apply Logic, math, and a calendar, you have a pretty good idea when your product is coming out. I get it, 4J can do no wrong, but you're completely ignoring facts to defend them. I don't expect them to tell us the exact date when they're not positive. But a general time frame would be nice.
I'm just voicing the my opinions and those of the people on my friends list. A lot of people are tired of being jerked around "maybe it will come out in September, maybe not."
Oh and thanks for the link. I knew I read that somewhere but couldn't find it for a long time.
Why blame 4J? They don't know either. As a developer, they don't like to throw out estiamtions or approximate dates because people take that as definitive proof it's coming out then. Just look how dumb things got when people started spreading rumors it was coming out in September. There were dozens of threads about it and 4J had to keep answering tweets about it with a no.
They have no input at all into Cert Testing. When it's done in Cert Testing, Microsoft will tell 4J and 4J will tell us. After that, they'll give us a date.
Funny, other game companies don't seem to have a problem with coming up with release dates months to a year in advance. I guess 4J must be a bunch of morons if they go to work every day and have no idea how close they are to completion. Why blame 4J? I mean, they're only making the game, so obviously they would have no clue, duh, I've been so blind.
I guess it's my fault for buying a product from someone who has no idea (or in your words "doesn't know either") what they're doing. I'll make sure not to make the same mistake in the future.
Personally, I think 4J has a better grasp on what they're doing then you seem to think. Which then begs the question. Why string us along in the first place?
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Funny, other game companies don't seem to have a problem with coming up with release dates months to a year in advance.
New games are a lot different than an update, and those release dates often slip anyway.
I guess 4J must be a bunch of morons if they go to work every day and have no idea how close they are to completion.
This doesn't make sense. We know 4J completed the update and sent it to Microsoft on 10/2. They know what they're doing, and they're done. Now MS has to test it, schedule it internally, push the update package out to their servers and turn it on. 4J can't know when that will happen until MS tells them.
Funny, other game companies don't seem to have a problem with coming up with release dates months to a year in advance. I guess 4J must be a bunch of morons if they go to work every day and have no idea how close they are to completion. Why blame 4J? I mean, they're only making the game, so obviously they would have no clue, duh, I've been so blind.
I guess it's my fault for buying a product from someone who has no idea (or in your words "doesn't know either") what they're doing. I'll make sure not to make the same mistake in the future.
Personally, I think 4J has a better grasp on what they're doing then you seem to think. Which then begs the question. Why string us along in the first place?
Because most big named titles (Call of Duty, Battlefield, Gears of War) and even smaller ones put their patches into Cert Testing long in advance. They are able to do this because they are creating new code and content. Unlike 4J were they are reworking Mojang's code to work on Xbox. Not to mention I'm sure bigger named games get express service through Cert Testing as Microsoft makes 10 times more money off a title like Call of Duty or Battlefield verse Minecraft just being an arcade game.
And people, it's just that. An arcade game. Arcade game patches are on the last of Microsoft's list to get through Cert testing quickly.
I'd still like to see a thread with best pics of clashes in terrain generation!
Perhaps an open thread rather than just a report on my experiment? It seems now that more people are interested in generating old seeds here just prior to the update and partially exploring them to see what happens. I'm just glad the pressure is off me. I've been feeling like a fish swimming against a huge current for quite some time now.
Either the devs are lying to their CEO or their CEO is very shortshighted with his thankfully it is not necesscary. The reality is that people that have been playing a single world since 1.6 chances are next to nothing their worlds aren't fully explored allready. A lot of people allready had their world fully explored prior to the clay fix and those that didn't explored it fully in order to get their clay. It's these people that are loosing out, you are getting punished for putting in a lot of effort into one world instead of hopping from world to world. I suspect there will be quite a number of threads about it once the patch releases that will continue for a while.
From a gameplay perspective one of the first things I personally did, once I secured myself with a home and bed was venture out and explore, I wanted to know where I lived.... I wanted to find a great spot to start my building plans... Unexplored areas that were left have all been explored after the clay fix (without result) and also a lot of exploration was done in hunting pumpkins (success) and trying to find pine trees (failure).
IF your world was good enough to put all that effort into it before the update; why does it suddenly become not good enough to finish what you started without all the new biomes? I have a main world that is fully explored and I fully expect that it will get nothing of the new stuff. (Actually, I went back and MADE SURE I explored every chunk to ensure that I didn't get any of the new stuff in that world). That way, I can still keep building in accordance with my original plans; and I can still open it and play it whenever I want.
What are the new biomes anyway - well, two of them really just amount to bigger holes in the ground (ravines and mineshafts). Then, swamps are just SO beautiful, my world can't possible do without them (catch the sarcasm here?). Then there's "cookie-cutter" village homes with no occupants... and then there's big libraries (i.e. strongholds) with cave spiders. Well, I've already enlarged a lot of my caves by mining for ores, I kind of like the looks of regular green grass, and I can build a "cookie-cutter" village pretty quickly, complete with a library - and I don't have to worry about being poisoned by the spiders in my world or swarmed to silverfish.
No one is "being punished." Your old world will still open - when some software updates, the old files don't do that at all. So be thankful! In addition, you have the option to starting an exciting new world, exploring ALL new stuff, and making completely new plans for building up a brand new world!!... with a good chance of Pine Trees... at no additional charge. Your glass is half full... just stop looking only at the empty half.
ETA: IF you have a partially explored world - you have a one-time chance of getting a completely unique map that no one else in world will have generated exactly the same way. While seed strings like "glacier" are played by lots of people, if you haven't explored everything it is unlikely that another person will have explored only the exact same chunks as you. The system will pop different in your "glacier" than anyone else. If you haven't got a partially explored see, what have you got to lose by creating one today (before the update) and then just seeing what happens to it after the update? If you don't like what you get, just delete it. You've only invested whatever time it has taken you to walk a part of that world.
The biomes arent so much my point to be honest, sure I'd love to have them for diversity sake but I can do without it. The real issue what bugs me is that I can't have melons or any of the new blocks for that matter. And that is what I'd love to add to my world, I'm dying for more blocks, diversity is much needed. My world allready has to do without pine wood, snow, ice and clay. Would love to extend my farm with melons. I'm glad I had the foresight to save up a couple of pumpkins just in case they could be converted to seeds.
Adding them through creative is an option but that disables leaderboard eligibility and honestly if I go the cheating route (using creative) why even bother to mine anything at all.
For me Minecraft is fun because of:
1. Resource gathering and collecting.
2. Building and landscaping.
3. Exploration.
You know - the thread about there being no coal and the OP who wasn't willing to look for more or chop down trees and the only thing that would correct HIS problem, he thought, was an infinite world like the PC. You're kinda like that guy, aren't you? You want your PERFECT solution or you refuse to see that there's any solution at all. Well, all I can say is good luck - in Minecraft... and in life. In my experience, perfect solutions seldom, if ever, exist. Cheers.
It's been known since the first bug fix was made to the MC360 Edition that changes in terrain generation required a restart if you fully explored your world. If you really researched like you claim then you should have been aware of that. There is nothing that 4J can do about it due to the limited world sizes which was known since before the game was released.
Am I upset that that I have to restart to get a stronghold or NPC village? No. Restarting and seeing what I can build differently is actually fun for me.
No, this is about being promised candy and then being told that the candy is with Grandma in heaven, you'll have to die in order to go and get it.
Had they been clear about this from the start I would have waited untill I purchased the game. I bought the game because it was said that all features up to 1.2.3. would be included through patches. Which they aren't unless you restart as it turns out now.
With regards to solutions, yes sure I would love to see the linked worlds thing implemented as it also grants infinitive worlds provided you have enough storage, but any other solution would be welcomed too, such as an cross world persistant ender chest or hidden bonus chest through out the world or well... basicly anything that is some kind of solution being it a near perfect one like linked worlds or a work around, what I don't like is no solution at all, or being punished for using the only viable solution (adding missing stuff through creative mode into chests disables your leaderboard eligibility).
Refusal to deny seeing an issue is a far greater issue then striving for a perfect solution. Happy life to you too. Cheers.
The fact is what you want is IMPOSSIBLE...There is no possible way to regenerate what you have already explored. Stop your whining and moaning...it's not like it's something that 4J can do anything about. If you had any common sense you woulda known that a world that has already been generated when those blocks don't exist it would be impossible for those blocks to magically appear.
The only issue here is people don't have common sense. How you thought it was possible to add blocks to a world that has already been generated is beyond me.
Oh and by the way...if it really affects you that much. There is a way to get around that. It's a bit against Microsoft's ToS but if you're going to make such a big deal about it go do it...
And about your issue with the world size...you say "if you have enough storage" as you can change it? The 360 doesn't have enough ram to have an unlimited world... What you are whining about is out of 4J's control...it's technology impossible without doing so much useless work and wasting so much money so kids like you will stfu
And, all content up to 1.2.3 will be done through patches. The fact that you don't want to restart your world is not 4J's fault.
The only block that the new terrain features are adding that aren't crafting recipes are cracked stone bricks and melons. Neither of which are all that great IMHO.
I'd say that's because so many twolls (twitter trolls) keep spamming them with whinging comments complaining about their worlds not working after the update comes out... all because they are too lazy or ignorant to read previous forum posts/tweets/news articles where 4J has already stated what the experience will be with existing worlds in 1.8.2.
Yeah I understand that, I've just been getting fed up with 4J. They keep telling us the same things over and over, but refuse to let the fans be privy to the things they want to actually know. (Approx. release dates, map size issues) Why make yourself seem open to the public and the stay so tight-lipped on what people want to hear? It's like they try to keep anticipation high, but all they're really doing is pissing people off and driving them away. My Xbox friends list used to have at least 8 people on minecraft at any point in time, nowadays there might be one person playing. We want answers dammit! [/rant]
Edit: To clarify I'm mad at 4J not you. What you said was true
Some may have known it, but none of us still knew if it would be true for the 1.8.2 update. They could have changed something that made it so that new terrain didn't spawn in old maps. Now we know that it's still the same as PC.
Link please, I've searched google and twitter pretty extensively and saw nothing addressing this
I said approximate release date. The company making the game doesn't have the slightest clue when it comes out? lol I don't believe that, sorry. When people were saying last month that the update was going to be released soon, I saw a lot of speculation but no hard facts from 4J except to say "no."
As for why the Xbox 360 cannot have a bigger world, here are these...
https://twitter.com/Kappische/status/246542541913198592
and
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/727636/building-a-better-minecraft-bridging-the-pc-and-console-gap/
I think you miss the point. It can't come out until they're done with it. They would have a general idea of how far along they are and how long MS cert testing would be.
If you apply Logic, math, and a calendar, you have a pretty good idea when your product is coming out. I get it, 4J can do no wrong, but you're completely ignoring facts to defend them. I don't expect them to tell us the exact date when they're not positive. But a general time frame would be nice.
I'm just voicing the my opinions and those of the people on my friends list. A lot of people are tired of being jerked around "maybe it will come out in September, maybe not."
Oh and thanks for the link. I knew I read that somewhere but couldn't find it for a long time.
They have no input at all into Cert Testing. When it's done in Cert Testing, Microsoft will tell 4J and 4J will tell us. After that, they'll give us a date.
I guess it's my fault for buying a product from someone who has no idea (or in your words "doesn't know either") what they're doing. I'll make sure not to make the same mistake in the future.
Personally, I think 4J has a better grasp on what they're doing then you seem to think. Which then begs the question. Why string us along in the first place?
New games are a lot different than an update, and those release dates often slip anyway.
This doesn't make sense. We know 4J completed the update and sent it to Microsoft on 10/2. They know what they're doing, and they're done. Now MS has to test it, schedule it internally, push the update package out to their servers and turn it on. 4J can't know when that will happen until MS tells them.
Because most big named titles (Call of Duty, Battlefield, Gears of War) and even smaller ones put their patches into Cert Testing long in advance. They are able to do this because they are creating new code and content. Unlike 4J were they are reworking Mojang's code to work on Xbox. Not to mention I'm sure bigger named games get express service through Cert Testing as Microsoft makes 10 times more money off a title like Call of Duty or Battlefield verse Minecraft just being an arcade game.
And people, it's just that. An arcade game. Arcade game patches are on the last of Microsoft's list to get through Cert testing quickly.
Yep, boggles the mind... boggles the mind.
Perhaps an open thread rather than just a report on my experiment? It seems now that more people are interested in generating old seeds here just prior to the update and partially exploring them to see what happens. I'm just glad the pressure is off me. I've been feeling like a fish swimming against a huge current for quite some time now.
IF your world was good enough to put all that effort into it before the update; why does it suddenly become not good enough to finish what you started without all the new biomes? I have a main world that is fully explored and I fully expect that it will get nothing of the new stuff. (Actually, I went back and MADE SURE I explored every chunk to ensure that I didn't get any of the new stuff in that world). That way, I can still keep building in accordance with my original plans; and I can still open it and play it whenever I want.
What are the new biomes anyway - well, two of them really just amount to bigger holes in the ground (ravines and mineshafts). Then, swamps are just SO beautiful, my world can't possible do without them (catch the sarcasm here?). Then there's "cookie-cutter" village homes with no occupants... and then there's big libraries (i.e. strongholds) with cave spiders. Well, I've already enlarged a lot of my caves by mining for ores, I kind of like the looks of regular green grass, and I can build a "cookie-cutter" village pretty quickly, complete with a library - and I don't have to worry about being poisoned by the spiders in my world or swarmed to silverfish.
No one is "being punished." Your old world will still open - when some software updates, the old files don't do that at all. So be thankful! In addition, you have the option to starting an exciting new world, exploring ALL new stuff, and making completely new plans for building up a brand new world!!... with a good chance of Pine Trees... at no additional charge. Your glass is half full... just stop looking only at the empty half.
ETA: IF you have a partially explored world - you have a one-time chance of getting a completely unique map that no one else in world will have generated exactly the same way. While seed strings like "glacier" are played by lots of people, if you haven't explored everything it is unlikely that another person will have explored only the exact same chunks as you. The system will pop different in your "glacier" than anyone else. If you haven't got a partially explored see, what have you got to lose by creating one today (before the update) and then just seeing what happens to it after the update? If you don't like what you get, just delete it. You've only invested whatever time it has taken you to walk a part of that world.
You know - the thread about there being no coal and the OP who wasn't willing to look for more or chop down trees and the only thing that would correct HIS problem, he thought, was an infinite world like the PC. You're kinda like that guy, aren't you? You want your PERFECT solution or you refuse to see that there's any solution at all. Well, all I can say is good luck - in Minecraft... and in life. In my experience, perfect solutions seldom, if ever, exist. Cheers.
It's been known since the first bug fix was made to the MC360 Edition that changes in terrain generation required a restart if you fully explored your world. If you really researched like you claim then you should have been aware of that. There is nothing that 4J can do about it due to the limited world sizes which was known since before the game was released.
Am I upset that that I have to restart to get a stronghold or NPC village? No. Restarting and seeing what I can build differently is actually fun for me.
The fact is what you want is IMPOSSIBLE...There is no possible way to regenerate what you have already explored. Stop your whining and moaning...it's not like it's something that 4J can do anything about. If you had any common sense you woulda known that a world that has already been generated when those blocks don't exist it would be impossible for those blocks to magically appear.
The only issue here is people don't have common sense. How you thought it was possible to add blocks to a world that has already been generated is beyond me.
Oh and by the way...if it really affects you that much. There is a way to get around that. It's a bit against Microsoft's ToS but if you're going to make such a big deal about it go do it...
And about your issue with the world size...you say "if you have enough storage" as you can change it? The 360 doesn't have enough ram to have an unlimited world... What you are whining about is out of 4J's control...it's technology impossible without doing so much useless work and wasting so much money so kids like you will stfu
And, all content up to 1.2.3 will be done through patches. The fact that you don't want to restart your world is not 4J's fault.
In death (real death), there is no opportunity to restart anything.