i've never posted in one of these dupe discussions, but i might as well throw in my (unwanted) two cents...
my opinion seems to be generally how everyone else feels, really. dupe if you want or don't. yanno, whatever floats your boat. yes, it does "feel" better to build yerself a big ol' fancy castle without duping, but it's also a giant hassle to collect the materials. on the majority of my worlds i don't dupe, but i have some where i've duped certain things. usually just wool and bricks, because it takes ages to gather a good amount of them. oh, and i usually dupe tnt to play around with because i play on peaceful 99% of the time.
I officially love you. Those analogies, damn. They make me laugh so hard on the inside that my ear infection beats to the rhythm of my heart. And I don't care how weird that sounds.
I myself don't find duping to be a bad thing. I just don't like it being done in my worlds. Unless I'm on my duping worlds, which are all separate from my real worlds.
I completely understand if somebody's against duping on a pure survival world.
For people who just want to build, it's different. A lot of people want to make their own "Faux Creative Mode" and they should have the right to do so without being judged by those who think you can't be a real Minecrafter unless half of your playtime involves breaking blocks.
I pledge to uphold the spirit of Minecraft by "placing blocks to build anything I can imagine." (per Minecraft website). I'll also probably build a shelter before the monsters come out at night (also per the website). Beyond that, the only pledge I make is to enjoy myself and have some friendly fun playing this game together with my friends and family. If all the hardworking programmers at Mojang and 4J don't feel that this pledge is adequate, they can return my $20 and I'll be glad to send them back their game (but I really don't think they'll care).
So you publicly do an online pledge not to dupe in Minecraft: Xbox 360 Edition. Does this make you feel better than others or something?
It took me and three other ppl more than 20 hours each to make a hole that was 50x50 to bedrock with duping of tools. Besides how would you say it is cheating. It doesn't give you an unfair advantage over someone else that is playing. It is a dig stuff, build stuff, find stuff game. Now get off of your high horse you made with out cheating and have fun!
He declares his (pointless) ethos here, and five seconds later some people start raging and comparing Minecraft players to Beethoven. I mean, really? Let's leave this guy alone; discrimination will only make things turn for the worse.
His intention was to put people who duplicate down, otherwise he wouldn't have used the tag hater. You constantly bring up discrimination in these threads, and you're the one constantly defending people who hate. Just stop.
I don't understand what the big deal is about duping. Is a carpenter looked down upon because he goes to the lumber yard instead of chopping down trees himself? No... Is a musician any worse because he didn't personally build the instrument he's playing? No...
Those analogies, while cute and everyone got a kick out of them, doesn't fit.
* By going to the lumber yard and buying pre-made kitchen cabinets... in bulk... instead of making them from scratch qualify as a "carpenter"?
* By using a player-piano instead of actually playing a piano yourselves make you a "musician"?
You want an analogy, here's one.
You and three friends decide to play Monopoly. You know the rules, so you set up the board and hand out $1500 dollars to each player, then the rest goes in the Bank. Then you decide to take all the money in the Bank and give it to yourself... cause that's the way you want to play the game. Of course you then wonder why the other three leave and refuse to play with you anymore.
Duping is cheating. And you know it. But you don't care. I don't care. You're only cheating yourselves anyway. You're the ones missing out on the sense of accomplishment, facing and overcoming the challenges, and playing the game as it was intended- not me.
All this duping stuff will be mute shortly anyway.
Creative is coming, along with the ability (which I still think is wrong) to load up your world in either Creative or Survival mode. So shortly you'll be able to make that huge castle out of solid gold and have diamond everything. Crates full of tools and weapons. Create massive, complicated mob traps and grinders before turning on the bad guys. Miles of mine tracks everywhere. Rain hundreds of arrows down on them creepers.
You'll be able to do anything you want! But one of the main draws of minecraft from the very beginning was the "Survival" aspect- the challenge of not only "surviving" but prospering in a hostile world starting off with nothing. That will be gone. And you won't have to wrestle with your conscience anymore cause the "easy, time-saving way" will become part of the game. Yes, while you could decide to play "only" survival, I think a lot of the charm and the whole point of minecraft will be lost by letting the players have the choice of combining the two modes.
Duping is cheating. And you know it. But you don't care. I don't care. You're only cheating yourselves anyway. You're the ones missing out on the sense of accomplishment, facing and overcoming the challenges, and playing the game as it was intended- not me.
If the game was not ment to have the ability to duplicate things then why did they later make a creative mode? You mat not care but you will rant against anybody that says anything else.Remember kids it is just a game and as long as the way you play doesn't hurt anybody else it is just fine.
Those analogies, while cute and everyone got a kick out of them, doesn't fit.
* By going to the lumber yard and buying pre-made kitchen cabinets... in bulk... instead of making them from scratch qualify as a "carpenter"?
* By using a player-piano instead of actually playing a piano yourselves make you a "musician"?
You want an analogy, here's one.
You and three friends decide to play Monopoly. You know the rules, so you set up the board and hand out $1500 dollars to each player, then the rest goes in the Bank. Then you decide to take all the money in the Bank and give it to yourself... cause that's the way you want to play the game. Of course you then wonder why the other three leave and refuse to play with you anymore.
Duping is cheating. And you know it. But you don't care. I don't care. You're only cheating yourselves anyway. You're the ones missing out on the sense of accomplishment, facing and overcoming the challenges, and playing the game as it was intended- not me.
All this duping stuff will be mute shortly anyway.
Creative is coming, along with the ability (which I still think is wrong) to load up your world in either Creative or Survival mode. So shortly you'll be able to make that huge castle out of solid gold and have diamond everything. Crates full of tools and weapons. Create massive, complicated mob traps and grinders before turning on the bad guys. Miles of mine tracks everywhere. Rain hundreds of arrows down on them creepers.
You'll be able to do anything you want! But one of the main draws of minecraft from the very beginning was the "Survival" aspect- the challenge of not only "surviving" but prospering in a hostile world starting off with nothing. That will be gone. And you won't have to wrestle with your conscience anymore cause the "easy, time-saving way" will become part of the game. Yes, while you could decide to play "only" survival, I think a lot of the charm and the whole point of minecraft will be lost by letting the players have the choice of combining the two modes.
It all sounds pretty boring to me.
Your little switcheroo on my analogies make very little sense. A carpenter enjoys his craft (and should be respected for it) and would never be some middleman, buying in bulk and selling individual items for profit. Musicians... well... nowadays, that's a different story. These sayings of yours have nothing to do with the dupe glitch. When you duplicate items, they don't magically fly around, automatically building stuff everywhere. A creative build can be every bit as good as a survival build, and in case you haven't noticed, many players care very little about the survival experience. If anything, your analogies represent someone who downloads a world and tries to pass it off as their own, which I think we all can agree, is wrong.
The whole Monopoly thing doesn't make sense either. Monopoly is a game with rules, in Minecraft itself, there are no rules. I myself, and others in this thread, have for the most part agreed it is wrong to duplicate in a specific game type, say some sort of survival competition. The bottom line here, Mr. Stalin, is you can attempt to press your beliefs onto people as much as you want. But, at the end of the day, nobody really cares. They bought the game, they're going to play it however they want.
I do believe this will sum up this entire thread nicely...
On that subject, everyone should just play the game the way they want. If that involves abusing an exploit that will either be fixed or eventually rendered inert, so be it.
Those analogies, while cute and everyone got a kick out of them, doesn't fit.
* By going to the lumber yard and buying pre-made kitchen cabinets... in bulk... instead of making them from scratch qualify as a "carpenter"?
* By using a player-piano instead of actually playing a piano yourselves make you a "musician"?
Lolno, his analogies worked pretty well. It was assumed that you had the intelligence to figure out that the carpenter would actually do his job, after getting the materials, and the musician was professional. If you really couldn't figure that out, then you have some serious mental issues. Besides, that assumption is entirely unnecessary to the topic at hand- collecting materials quickly, not making pretty things.
You want an analogy, here's one.
You and three friends decide to play Monopoly. You know the rules, so you set up the board and hand out $1500 dollars to each player, then the rest goes in the Bank. Then you decide to take all the money in the Bank and give it to yourself... cause that's the way you want to play the game. Of course you then wonder why the other three leave and refuse to play with you anymore.
This analogy, on the other hand, doesn't work at all. It implies that you "cheat" in order to get ahead of other players, when, in reality, duping doesn't help you compare to other players. Well, it makes you somewhat smarter, in my opinion, but that's a whole other topic.
Those analogies, while cute and everyone got a kick out of them, doesn't fit.
* By going to the lumber yard and buying pre-made kitchen cabinets... in bulk... instead of making them from scratch qualify as a "carpenter"?
* By using a player-piano instead of actually playing a piano yourselves make you a "musician"?
You want an analogy, here's one.
You and three friends decide to play Monopoly. You know the rules, so you set up the board and hand out $1500 dollars to each player, then the rest goes in the Bank. Then you decide to take all the money in the Bank and give it to yourself... cause that's the way you want to play the game. Of course you then wonder why the other three leave and refuse to play with you anymore.
Duping is cheating. And you know it. But you don't care. I don't care. You're only cheating yourselves anyway. You're the ones missing out on the sense of accomplishment, facing and overcoming the challenges, and playing the game as it was intended- not me.
So... every little kid that has ever taken the money out of a monopoly game to play "store" is a "cheater" now. That should make you popular among the younger set. It's BS. IF everyone in the game agrees to a rule modification of that game, it's not cheating. It's adapting the game to keep it interesting for those playing it... and the makers of monopoly are probably thrilled that they've sold thousands of monopoly games to people who buy them just for the money. In fact, to accommodate those people (and others who just lose monopoly money), they started making and selling packs of just the money at a cheaper price than selling the whole game.
To top it all off, the makers of Minecraft don't even presume to officially lay out a way in which their game is "supposed to" be played. There is NO official rulebook shipped with this game. They leave setting up rules inside our own worlds to us, the consumers.
Yes, duping is exploiting a "glitch" - which is an unintentional mistake in their code... but, it's not altering the code. It's just using the regular tools provided inside the game and pressing the same buttons and triggers you do to mine or craft regularly in a slightly different sequence... which happens to produce a duping result some of the time. There is no "rule" against breaking your furnace. There is no "rule" against clicking "A" or "X" repeatedly in your inventory. The only caution is that doing so in this sequence produces an "unexpected" result - which inherently means that it MIGHT not produce duping on any singular occasion (i.e. it doesn't always work) and whether or not there is a risk of it damaging the person's world is an UNKNOWN risk. If you're prepare to accept those risks and not blame the company if it happens to crater your saved file, the programmers are just not really going to care. They care a lot more about things like the inventory bug... which is one that hits randomly and frustrates EVERYONE it hits.
There are also other "glitches" that people exploit and they don't raise the degree of prejudice (yes, prejudice) that this duping one does. For example, I don't think the programmers intended that I should be able to run along the base of a tunnel in 3rd person view and see all the caves, lava, and spawners above my head. I don't think they intended that I should suddenly have X-Ray vision when I deploy TNT near myself... So, why aren't there 3 posts a day condemning the X-Ray glitch... because the mining types like to use it to find ores so they don't waste hours and hours mining cobble to find 1 diamond and then get drowned in lava when they remove the next block. Again, the programmers are not likely to care very much whether these get fixed or not since they appear to be "stable" glitches (i.e. not cratering any files).
Speech over.. now, you can continue insulting each other for no good reason... and claiming that it's all for the good of the game.
His intention was to put people who duplicate down, otherwise he wouldn't have used the tag hater. You constantly bring up discrimination in these threads, and you're the one constantly defending people who hate. Just stop.
I am sorry, but your views of me are a bit misguided. First of all, I am on my own side; the one where this topic is pointless and you guys are being irrelevant. Secondly, he never actually said that other players could not play the way they want to. The pledge was personal in its entirety.
You want an analogy, here's one.
You and three friends decide to play Monopoly. You know the rules, so you set up the board and hand out $1500 dollars to each player, then the rest goes in the Bank. Then you decide to take all the money in the Bank and give it to yourself... cause that's the way you want to play the game. Of course you then wonder why the other three leave and refuse to play with you anymore.
Eh, that's better than comparing Minecraft to being a musician, but the problem is this game is not meant to be directly competitive. Your analogy would work better for RPG servers.
In the end, we all have our own beliefs. No, Nose_Job_for_A_Cowboy, he was not forcing his thoughts. No, boomstickboy, he was just declaring his message.
So let's all forget this thread and goodbye.
Nobody said you had to read or reply to my thread, all topics already have a thread, there are no new topics. I was trying to get support from MY community! Thank You to you guys who made me feel better about being tempted. To everyone else...PLAY THE WAY YOU WANT!!! I broke Skyrim and now it is not fun for me anymore. I like digging holes, that is my thing. If you like building that is another thing. Anyhow, thanks to the people that were supportive
Nobody said you had to read or reply to my thread, all topics already have a thread, there are no new topics. I was trying to get support from MY community! Thank You to you guys who made me feel better about being tempted. To everyone else...PLAY THE WAY YOU WANT!!! I broke Skyrim and now it is not fun for me anymore. I like digging holes, that is my thing. If you like building that is another thing. Anyhow, thanks to the people that were supportive
It's nothing against you, or your pledge. If something like this were posted a couple months ago it wouldn't have gotten such an overwhelmingly negative response. Frankly, we're all just sick of threads that involve duplication. Even if the topic isn't specifically about duping, if the word "duplication" is even mentioned, the entire thread ends up being a huge debate that devolves into a flame war. I'll admit, I've jumped in on a couple of them in my time here, it's quite easy to get drawn into. Idk, maybe that's just me, I'm a very opinionated individual.
Anyway, sorry for how your thread turned out. I admire your pledge, but even more, I admire that you admit you simply like to dig holes. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, I just dislike when people try to mask it, like playing legit means they have some higher sense of morality than the rest of us. Some people like to dig, some people like to build, and some people like to do both. Really, that's all there is to it, no BS, no moral code.
Cobble generation is not a duplication glitch. It is something akin to a chemical process, and it is part of the game, legitimate by any standards.
I have nothing against duplication, but I have chosen not to use the exploit. Sure, mining gets brain dead after a while, but at this point, I don't need to do much of it, since I have most of the raw materials I need for anything. Wood is no big deal at all, as was said. Now that I'm farming hostile mobs, I have more bonemeal for instant growth than I'll ever use up.
I officially love you. Those analogies, damn. They make me laugh so hard on the inside that my ear infection beats to the rhythm of my heart. And I don't care how weird that sounds.
I myself don't find duping to be a bad thing. I just don't like it being done in my worlds. Unless I'm on my duping worlds, which are all separate from my real worlds.
How many "real worlds" do you have? I have one, and it isnt pixelated and blocky. Have to work to make money, work cuts into minecraft time, friends and family essentially demand time with me.
I'm jealous people legitimately debate duping vs non-duping. Im jealous people rationalize spending 40+ hours a week mining in minecraft, and then use more time to judge other peoples Minecraft style. All the while, a creative mode exists in other versions of the game.
+1 infraction for redundantly commenting on a redundant post.
I only dupe on one map, and I don't let any of my kids do it. That is my testing ground for learning how to build structures and the 1000's of things I've seen others build on youtube. I call it my "creative world". Hopefully when the new update comes out, all this trial and error will amount to something other than a square two story house with a wooden fence and a squarish castle keep lol. The game is different for everyone. Do those of you that think duping is wrong not use the tnt glitch when mining or clearing out stone for say a slime farm? To me they are one in the same. I've never seen an explosive create a perfect square..........If you think it's ok to dupe then kool, if not that's kool too. After all, it's your damn world
I'm just wondering, is anyone who decries duping planning on using creative mode? The only functional differences are that duping is harder to do, yields less, denies flight, and forces you to gather some of the each material yourself. Duping was unintentional, but 4J clearly knows about and ignores the problem; don't give me any "BUT BUT BUT glitches are bad" crap.
I know this is kind of off topic, but others on this thread brought it up, anyway.
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my opinion seems to be generally how everyone else feels, really. dupe if you want or don't. yanno, whatever floats your boat. yes, it does "feel" better to build yerself a big ol' fancy castle without duping, but it's also a giant hassle to collect the materials. on the majority of my worlds i don't dupe, but i have some where i've duped certain things. usually just wool and bricks, because it takes ages to gather a good amount of them. oh, and i usually dupe tnt to play around with because i play on peaceful 99% of the time.
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Retired StaffI completely understand if somebody's against duping on a pure survival world.
For people who just want to build, it's different. A lot of people want to make their own "Faux Creative Mode" and they should have the right to do so without being judged by those who think you can't be a real Minecrafter unless half of your playtime involves breaking blocks.
It took me and three other ppl more than 20 hours each to make a hole that was 50x50 to bedrock with duping of tools. Besides how would you say it is cheating. It doesn't give you an unfair advantage over someone else that is playing. It is a dig stuff, build stuff, find stuff game. Now get off of your high horse you made with out cheating and have fun!
His intention was to put people who duplicate down, otherwise he wouldn't have used the tag hater. You constantly bring up discrimination in these threads, and you're the one constantly defending people who hate. Just stop.
Those analogies, while cute and everyone got a kick out of them, doesn't fit.
* By going to the lumber yard and buying pre-made kitchen cabinets... in bulk... instead of making them from scratch qualify as a "carpenter"?
* By using a player-piano instead of actually playing a piano yourselves make you a "musician"?
You want an analogy, here's one.
You and three friends decide to play Monopoly. You know the rules, so you set up the board and hand out $1500 dollars to each player, then the rest goes in the Bank. Then you decide to take all the money in the Bank and give it to yourself... cause that's the way you want to play the game. Of course you then wonder why the other three leave and refuse to play with you anymore.
Duping is cheating. And you know it. But you don't care. I don't care. You're only cheating yourselves anyway. You're the ones missing out on the sense of accomplishment, facing and overcoming the challenges, and playing the game as it was intended- not me.
All this duping stuff will be mute shortly anyway.
Creative is coming, along with the ability (which I still think is wrong) to load up your world in either Creative or Survival mode. So shortly you'll be able to make that huge castle out of solid gold and have diamond everything. Crates full of tools and weapons. Create massive, complicated mob traps and grinders before turning on the bad guys. Miles of mine tracks everywhere. Rain hundreds of arrows down on them creepers.
You'll be able to do anything you want! But one of the main draws of minecraft from the very beginning was the "Survival" aspect- the challenge of not only "surviving" but prospering in a hostile world starting off with nothing. That will be gone. And you won't have to wrestle with your conscience anymore cause the "easy, time-saving way" will become part of the game. Yes, while you could decide to play "only" survival, I think a lot of the charm and the whole point of minecraft will be lost by letting the players have the choice of combining the two modes.
It all sounds pretty boring to me.
If the game was not ment to have the ability to duplicate things then why did they later make a creative mode? You mat not care but you will rant against anybody that says anything else.Remember kids it is just a game and as long as the way you play doesn't hurt anybody else it is just fine.
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Retired StaffYour little switcheroo on my analogies make very little sense. A carpenter enjoys his craft (and should be respected for it) and would never be some middleman, buying in bulk and selling individual items for profit. Musicians... well... nowadays, that's a different story. These sayings of yours have nothing to do with the dupe glitch. When you duplicate items, they don't magically fly around, automatically building stuff everywhere. A creative build can be every bit as good as a survival build, and in case you haven't noticed, many players care very little about the survival experience. If anything, your analogies represent someone who downloads a world and tries to pass it off as their own, which I think we all can agree, is wrong.
The whole Monopoly thing doesn't make sense either. Monopoly is a game with rules, in Minecraft itself, there are no rules. I myself, and others in this thread, have for the most part agreed it is wrong to duplicate in a specific game type, say some sort of survival competition. The bottom line here, Mr. Stalin, is you can attempt to press your beliefs onto people as much as you want. But, at the end of the day, nobody really cares. They bought the game, they're going to play it however they want.
On that subject, everyone should just play the game the way they want. If that involves abusing an exploit that will either be fixed or eventually rendered inert, so be it.
Lolno, his analogies worked pretty well. It was assumed that you had the intelligence to figure out that the carpenter would actually do his job, after getting the materials, and the musician was professional. If you really couldn't figure that out, then you have some serious mental issues. Besides, that assumption is entirely unnecessary to the topic at hand- collecting materials quickly, not making pretty things.
This analogy, on the other hand, doesn't work at all. It implies that you "cheat" in order to get ahead of other players, when, in reality, duping doesn't help you compare to other players. Well, it makes you somewhat smarter, in my opinion, but that's a whole other topic.
So... every little kid that has ever taken the money out of a monopoly game to play "store" is a "cheater" now. That should make you popular among the younger set. It's BS. IF everyone in the game agrees to a rule modification of that game, it's not cheating. It's adapting the game to keep it interesting for those playing it... and the makers of monopoly are probably thrilled that they've sold thousands of monopoly games to people who buy them just for the money. In fact, to accommodate those people (and others who just lose monopoly money), they started making and selling packs of just the money at a cheaper price than selling the whole game.
To top it all off, the makers of Minecraft don't even presume to officially lay out a way in which their game is "supposed to" be played. There is NO official rulebook shipped with this game. They leave setting up rules inside our own worlds to us, the consumers.
Yes, duping is exploiting a "glitch" - which is an unintentional mistake in their code... but, it's not altering the code. It's just using the regular tools provided inside the game and pressing the same buttons and triggers you do to mine or craft regularly in a slightly different sequence... which happens to produce a duping result some of the time. There is no "rule" against breaking your furnace. There is no "rule" against clicking "A" or "X" repeatedly in your inventory. The only caution is that doing so in this sequence produces an "unexpected" result - which inherently means that it MIGHT not produce duping on any singular occasion (i.e. it doesn't always work) and whether or not there is a risk of it damaging the person's world is an UNKNOWN risk. If you're prepare to accept those risks and not blame the company if it happens to crater your saved file, the programmers are just not really going to care. They care a lot more about things like the inventory bug... which is one that hits randomly and frustrates EVERYONE it hits.
There are also other "glitches" that people exploit and they don't raise the degree of prejudice (yes, prejudice) that this duping one does. For example, I don't think the programmers intended that I should be able to run along the base of a tunnel in 3rd person view and see all the caves, lava, and spawners above my head. I don't think they intended that I should suddenly have X-Ray vision when I deploy TNT near myself... So, why aren't there 3 posts a day condemning the X-Ray glitch... because the mining types like to use it to find ores so they don't waste hours and hours mining cobble to find 1 diamond and then get drowned in lava when they remove the next block. Again, the programmers are not likely to care very much whether these get fixed or not since they appear to be "stable" glitches (i.e. not cratering any files).
Speech over.. now, you can continue insulting each other for no good reason... and claiming that it's all for the good of the game.
I am sorry, but your views of me are a bit misguided. First of all, I am on my own side; the one where this topic is pointless and you guys are being irrelevant. Secondly, he never actually said that other players could not play the way they want to. The pledge was personal in its entirety.
Eh, that's better than comparing Minecraft to being a musician, but the problem is this game is not meant to be directly competitive. Your analogy would work better for RPG servers.
In the end, we all have our own beliefs. No, Nose_Job_for_A_Cowboy, he was not forcing his thoughts. No, boomstickboy, he was just declaring his message.
So let's all forget this thread and goodbye.
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Retired StaffIt's nothing against you, or your pledge. If something like this were posted a couple months ago it wouldn't have gotten such an overwhelmingly negative response. Frankly, we're all just sick of threads that involve duplication. Even if the topic isn't specifically about duping, if the word "duplication" is even mentioned, the entire thread ends up being a huge debate that devolves into a flame war. I'll admit, I've jumped in on a couple of them in my time here, it's quite easy to get drawn into. Idk, maybe that's just me, I'm a very opinionated individual.
Anyway, sorry for how your thread turned out. I admire your pledge, but even more, I admire that you admit you simply like to dig holes. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, I just dislike when people try to mask it, like playing legit means they have some higher sense of morality than the rest of us. Some people like to dig, some people like to build, and some people like to do both. Really, that's all there is to it, no BS, no moral code.
I have nothing against duplication, but I have chosen not to use the exploit. Sure, mining gets brain dead after a while, but at this point, I don't need to do much of it, since I have most of the raw materials I need for anything. Wood is no big deal at all, as was said. Now that I'm farming hostile mobs, I have more bonemeal for instant growth than I'll ever use up.
How many "real worlds" do you have? I have one, and it isnt pixelated and blocky. Have to work to make money, work cuts into minecraft time, friends and family essentially demand time with me.
I'm jealous people legitimately debate duping vs non-duping. Im jealous people rationalize spending 40+ hours a week mining in minecraft, and then use more time to judge other peoples Minecraft style. All the while, a creative mode exists in other versions of the game.
+1 infraction for redundantly commenting on a redundant post.
I know this is kind of off topic, but others on this thread brought it up, anyway.