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I personally only build a piston creation if im going to use it. Like in my hotel ive build an elevator and ive also built a light switch that swaps out a ceiling block for a glowstone block. The light switch works terrific but the elevator which im built to quickly get to the top floor, just doesnt work very well. So therefor. Im annoyed. I just wish it would work good

for me the main thing that can make a circuit unreliable is a specific torch placement. if you have any circuit where torches are placed on the top side of a block you are asking for it. for some reason the game is very choosey on when it will allow a powered block to turn off a torch that is placed on the top side. sometimes it's fine and sometimes it works half the time and sometimes it never works. I have been haveing a lot more success in placing torches on sides of blocks whenever I can. the only reliable situation where you should place a torch on the top side of a block is for vertical transmission (torch block torch block). thats just what I have observed with the xbox version

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for me the main thing that can make a circuit unreliable is a specific torch placement. if you have any circuit where torches are placed on the top side of a block you are asking for it. for some reason the game is very choosey on when it will allow a powered block to turn off a torch that is placed on the top side. sometimes it's fine and sometimes it works half the time and sometimes it never works. I have been haveing a lot more success in placing torches on sides of blocks whenever I can. the only reliable situation where you should place a torch on the top side of a block is for vertical transmission (torch block torch block). thats just what I have observed with the xbox version

Thats interesting. Thank u for the free knowledge haha. That shouldnt happen regardless tho. Good to kno for future reference tho.

Mmm, I have an entire tall building that cycles a clock pulse through many vertical inverters (torches on blocks, stacked vertically) all the way up to its roof. Then I can go to an adjacent tall building and watch the light show. This works for long periods of time without issue. My best cobble generator, which pushes up a line of 10 cobble blocks per clock cycle, uses 10 torches on top of 10 blocks, and that has yet to burn out once. So I don't think that torches on blocks are more unreliable than any other redstone.

but the elevator which im built to quickly get to the top floor, just doesnt work very well.

Please note there are a few piston bugs in the latest minecraft shapshots.

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Mmm, I have an entire tall building that cycles a clock pulse through many vertical inverters (torches on blocks, stacked vertically) all the way up to its roof. Then I can go to an adjacent tall building and watch the light show. This works for long periods of time without issue. My best cobble generator, which pushes up a line of 10 cobble blocks per clock cycle, uses 10 torches on top of 10 blocks, and that has yet to burn out once. So I don't think that torches on blocks are more unreliable than any other redstone.

I think you missed a part of my post where I said "the only reliable situation where you should place a torch on the top side of a block is for vertical transmission (torch block torch block)." so I definatly have had no problem with that.

I'm not talking of torches burning out either in fact I am stateing the opposite. I am talking about when you are powering blocks with torches on the top side (with redstone dust going into the back of the block) sometimes the torches choose to ignore that fact and don't turn off when they are supposed to or in a few cases just never turned off ever. I tried to fix the situation by always using a repeater into the back of any block with a torch on the top side and this generally is a lot more reliable. I used that method on my cobble machine that pushes out 7 rows of 10 but there have been 2 or 3 situations where those torches have ignored the fact that they were sitting on a powered block and refused to turn off. As a result I have tried to put torches on sides of blocks whenever possible and circuits have generally been more stable since then. just an observation.

edit: to clarify I have just noticed that torches on tops of blocks sometimes randomly decide to stay on when the block is powered by redstone dust or repeaters. when the block is powered by another torch I have never had a problem and I have never had a problem with powering torches on sides of blocks

You need either a repeater, or 2 blocks straight of dust leading to a block with a torch, in order to make it work right. I realized that early after the game's release. If you try to bend the corner with dust right behind the block, it won't work.

> B T -- works

d d B T -- works

d B T -- does not work
d

B = block
T = (redstone) torch on the block
> = repeater
d = (redstone) dust

Quote from Cobra951

You need either a repeater, or 2 blocks straight of dust leading to a block with a torch, in order to make it work right. I realized that early after the game's release. If you try to bend the corner with dust right behind the block, it won't work.

> B T -- works

d d B T -- works

d B T -- does not work
d

B = block
T = (redstone) torch on the block
> = repeater
d = (redstone) dust

yes I absolutely realize this and no that is not the case in what I am talking about.

What I have been saying is that I have observed fails in circuits that are working and only circuits with torches on tops of blocks being powered by redstone dust or repeaters (properly in both cases). You may have had no problem with what you have built and for that you are lucky. I am stateing this because this bug has been present for me and others and even shows up in the bug list on the wiki (not that the wiki is the most reliable source ever :)). There have been problems with top placed torches all through PC minecrafts development such as this one

I am just telling what myself and friends in multiplayer have observed. I am very thorough with testing circuits especially if they do not work as intended. You can heed my words or don't I really don't care either way. I really don't need any more basic redstone tutorials from you dude but I appreciate the thought.

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I have noticed the multiplayer lag as well. Though me and my friends have great connection,
it lags a lot. Hope they fix this as well.

This is why we all went back to playing on the CPU, we can all connect to each other and play all night on COD and Battlefield 3 (just 2 examples) with little to no lag, yet we load up simple little MC and everyone constantly lags out of each others worlds (we all have tried hosting worlds and nobody is any better than the other.)

Please address this major lag issue or many will just not play MC360 and move back to the cpu.

Quote from Nose_Job_For_a_Cowboy

Simple little MC? I don't think you realize how deep this game really is. Name one other game where you can play with advanced circuitry and alter ever single little piece of the world to suit your liking. Go on, I'll wait...

Btw, I think you meant PC, you're not going to be playing anything with a CPU itself.

While your waiting please hold your breath too, MC has simple graphics, I stand firm in calling it simple. and no I meant CPU, I dont like calling my computer a PC. And as for Deep?

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While your waiting please hold your breath too, MC has simple graphics, I stand firm in calling it simple. and no I meant CPU, I dont like calling my computer a PC. And as for Deep?

cpu is just part of a computer dude. MC really isn't quite so simple and the reason BF3 and COD don't lag so much is because you are playing them on a server and there really isn't as much going on with those games. Sure the graphics are better in those shooters but there is a lot less going on programming wise so there isn't as much to load.

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While your waiting please hold your breath too, MC has simple graphics, I stand firm in calling it simple. and no I meant CPU, I dont like calling my computer a PC. And as for Deep?

The Minecraft world is a huge box of 3D blocks (voxels) that you can arrange any way you see fit. It is much more intensive than its blocky graphics might lead the uninitiated to believe.

Quote from DewRadley

yes I absolutely realize this and no that is not the case in what I am talking about.

What I have been saying is that I have observed fails in circuits that are working and only circuits with torches on tops of blocks being powered by redstone dust or repeaters (properly in both cases). You may have had no problem with what you have built and for that you are lucky. I am stateing this because this bug has been present for me and others and even shows up in the bug list on the wiki (not that the wiki is the most reliable source ever ). There have been problems with top placed torches all through PC minecrafts development such as this one

I am just telling what myself and friends in multiplayer have observed. I am very thorough with testing circuits especially if they do not work as intended. You can heed my words or don't I really don't care either way. I really don't need any more basic redstone tutorials from you dude but I appreciate the thought.

OK, if you're having problems with torches on blocks, I'm sorry. All I can say is that I have not experienced it. Also, I don't see why you keep discounting what I've done as not applicable. Sure it is. Torches on blocks, many of them. And not all are simple inverters to carry a signal upward. I mentioned my cobble generator, which powers a row of 10 pistons with 10 torches sitting on 10 blocks, from underneath. Never a problem yet.

One more thing. I have never posted a tutorial on anything. I may have linked someone else's from time to time, but not here in this exchange. What I posted are explanations and diagrams to illustrate my points in the conversation.

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The Minecraft world is a huge box of 3D blocks (voxels) that you can arrange any way you see fit. It is much more intensive than its blocky graphics might lead the uninitiated to believe.



OK, if you're having problems with torches on blocks, I'm sorry. All I can say is that I have not experienced it. Also, I don't see why you keep discounting what I've done as not applicable. Sure it is. Torches on blocks, many of them. And not all are simple inverters to carry a signal upward. I mentioned my cobble generator, which powers a row of 10 pistons with 10 torches sitting on 10 blocks, from underneath. Never a problem yet.

One more thing. I have never posted a tutorial on anything. I may have linked someone else's from time to time, but not here in this exchange. What I posted are explanations and diagrams to illustrate my points in the conversation.

Perhaps I may have offended you a bit with my last post. I am sorry for that. Not my intention. I have a bit of a sarcastic sense of humour not to be taken seriously. It doesn't always translate properly in writing.

I never intended to make your observations seem as though they are not applicable. I was more defending what I perceived was your attempt to discount my observations. I stated that you are lucky the same thing has not happened to you. I myself never had a problem early on, but the more redstone devices I added to my world I began to notice problems and as a result started running tests. I'm not saying never ever place a torch on the top side of a block as there are moments where it is unavoidable. I am however, saying placing torches on the sides of blocks has been safer in what I have observed. I am recommending others (people having stability issues) to do so whenever it may be possible since it may be their problem.

Also I would like to apologize again perhaps tutorial was a wrong word choice. Your diagrams arn't quite needed. If I was in doubt about how to properly place redstone dust or repeaters I definatly wouldn't be posting any advice on these forums. I may be new to the forums since I have been an anonymous lurker for awhile, but I am definatly not new to redstone at this point. Let me be clear I'm not saying I'm advanced or a guru or bragging. I'm more of an intermediate redstoner that has a good grasp of the scientific method for conducting experiments.

Forgiveness

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I get the feeling that talking to you is a challenging affair. I am not offended by anything you have said, more like puzzled. You seem to be very defensive. I am not dismissing your negative experiences. I replied to you because I was genuinely surprised to read about problems with torches on blocks. It was news to me. But instead of having a productive conversation which might reveal new details about the problem, we keep dancing around trivialities. For example, my diagrams were not meant to be "necessary", they were meant to be illustrative of what I was saying at that moment. I don't know why you are hung up on them. I am now moving on. Enough said.

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I get the feeling that talking to you is a challenging affair. I am not offended by anything you have said, more like puzzled. You seem to be very defensive. I am not dismissing your negative experiences. I replied to you because I was genuinely surprised to read about problems with torches on blocks. It was news to me. But instead of having a productive conversation which might reveal new details about the problem, we keep dancing around trivialities. For example, my diagrams were not meant to be "necessary", they were meant to be illustrative of what I was saying at that moment. I don't know why you are hung up on them. I am now moving on. Enough said.

Well I don't think that the conversation was completely worthless. There are things for others to learn within if they can sift through my misunderstandings. sorry