Because of the increased Slime threads on the forums I have written this guide to further help the knowledge of the community on Slimes for our current xbox version. Feel free to reply to the thread for further assistance, and post screens of your working farms.
Change Log
Update: 20/10/2012
Added info
Update: 17/09/2012
New improved guide, hope it looks better.
Update: 23/07/2012
Info added about glowstone (also tested myself and can confirm).
Update: 15/072012
Changed due to being able to see your world seeds now.
Please note: Due to the recent version change to 1.8.2 people have been worried whether or not the slime finder tool still works. Yes it does, the slime chunks are in no way effected by the new terrain changes. Hope this clears things up
Mob Info
Slimes. As annoying as they may be, they serve a greater purpose for us.
Slimeballs, which are needed to make Sticky Pistons.
They come in 3 sizes.
Small - 0.6 block cube.
HP - 1
Damage - 0 (They just push you, which can be annoying)
Medium - 1.2 block cube.
HP - 4
Damage - 2
Large - 2.4 block cube.
HP - 16
Damage - 4 (images provided by minecraftwiki)
The small ones are the ones we're interested in, cause those are the ones which have a chance to drop 'Slimeballs' .
They can drop up to 2 slimeballs and sometimes none (0-2).
Slimes will move towards a player if they're within 16 blocks of them without line of sight.
If you're not within range of this then they will just hop in a straight line from the last direction they were facing.
Overkill
Its possible to overkill slimes in our current version (and next version too) doing this will result in a bigger/medium slime not splitting into its smaller self. Its good to use Bow/Arrow, wooden sword/tools and your hands, some people even use flint and steel to light them on fire. You can use better tools/swords to kill them you will just have to figure out how many times with each you can hit before switching to a less damaging item. (look up tool damage and compare it with the slimes HP)
Spawning Rules
Slimes only spawn in specific chunks (known to everyone as Slime Chunks) that are randomly generated with the worlds seed.
A single Chunk is 16 wide by 16 long and 128 high
Slimes will spawn in any light level and from layers 0 - 16 (once we get into our 1.2.3 update they will be able to spawn from 0 - 40 making them much more common)
Even on bedrock (This was changed later because mobs were spawning on top of the nether)
They will not spawn within a 24 block radius around you.
Knowing that they spawn in any light level is key to us.
Until official release (which would be our 1.2.3) Slimes will be able to spawn on Glowstone (as of 1.6.6 glowstone is treated as "Stone" in official it is changed back to "Glass") Now I will still stand by my "Slimes wont spawn on a space occupied by a torch" I have seen Xisumavoids Myth Buster video where it shows them spawning on them but that version he was using is 1.2.5 (or greater) I have tried on PC 1.7.3 on a flat land and couldnt get 1 to spawn, i added a couple of dirt blocks above the torches and straight away I got slimes spawning.
Slimes do not despawn when switching difficulties like other hostile mobs do, this has led people to believe that slimes spawn on peaceful. They dont, the slime you seen had already spawned on 'easy/medium/hard' and remained there after switching to peaceful. https://twitter.com/...300577314275329
Efficiency
Because slimes have such a small spawn rate we need to make our slime farms more efficient.
There are a few ways to do this, but the major one is light.
We want to light up areas so no other mobs can spawn, we're taking advantage of the fact slimes spawn in any light levels. This includes caves nearby (well mobs can spawn up to 128 block radius around you) so lighting up all caves in an area will help efficiency skyrocket. You can also add multi tiered spawning pads to increase spawning space for more slimes to spawn on.
Slime Finder App
The slime finder app is used in conjunction with your map seed to locate slime chunks, there are various tools out there for this. I recommend this one here http://extension.ws/...aft/slimes.html
(people have been having problems using IE with this tool, please use FF or Chrome)
Also a few of you have been getting confused as to how the app works which is why I created a little picture describing whats what and the steps to take.
1: Here is where we enter our seed.
2: Then we click this Update Map and it will show slime chunks on the grid ( 5 )
3: We can center the map on specific coordinates by entering them in these 2 boxes ( x and z ) This is so we can search around a specific area.
4: We then click Go there so our grid gets updated to those specific coordinates.
5: This is our generated grid from our seed.
6:The green squares represent slime chunks and if you mouse over them it will display the chunks border with coordinates.
7:Our coordinates of the chunk border displaying in this pic -16,-112 to 0,-96
This part confuses alot of people.
You could say looking at the grid, top being north that -16 is the top left of the chunk, -112 is the bottom left, 0 is the top right and -96 is the bottom right. Our border is made up of these 4 coordinate numbers. -16 being 'X' -112 being 'Z'.
You would travel to -16 'X' and dig out the perimeter of your slime chunk don't forget under layer 16
(-16 x dig until you hit 0 x, then to Z -96 and back to Z -112) after you perimeter is dug out you then want to dig out everything inside that border.
You can see your seed before you load up your world to play along with the Invite Only, Allow friends of friends list.
Slime Farms
I wont go into too much detail here until we get our adventure update, but roughly
You want some kind of spawning pads, its a good idea to have them at least 2-3 blocks above bedrock so you can have water channels along side of the pads for the slimes to hop into.
These channels would lead to a corner (or area) where you would have your grinder, usually a drowner to drown the big/medium slimes into small ones. The small ones are then usually transported via ladders/water to a collection point ready for killing (either by the player or fall or some other means)
More info to come, If this has helped in any way please feel free to +1 rep it. Hope it was helpful
Here's a simple tutorial/review on finding slimes. (On the Xbox Version as of now, slimes only spawn in layer 1-16)
This project is great since you get a lot of resources from it including diamonds, redstone, coal, and craploads of cobblestone.
Materials needed:
1. Find the seed of your world and enter it in the slime finder app linked in the first page. Look at your map: locate where you are and round the X and Z coordinates to the nearest 16th, since chunks are 16x16.
2. Generally, I break the golden rule of digging straight down, but eh, its quicker. Dig down on the coordinates on the slime finder app. (in this case it's (0,16) x being 0, and z being 16) once you hit bedrock. This would be the corner of the chunk, NOT the middle. (Note: you can be above bedrock from level 1-16. y:16 is the maximum for the Xbox version)
3. Once you are around bedrock, carve out the outline of the slime chunk all the way to the other coordinate. For example (corner 1 : (0,16) all the way to corner 2 : (16,32))
4. You can make this easier for yourself by using TNT to blow up the rest of the area. (TNT blows up a 3x3 chunk of stone/cobblestone)
5. Once you finished blowing up or mining the last bits of the chunk it should look like this. Place glowstone or torches around the area, BE SURE not to place torches on the ground as it will take up spawning space.
6. With everything finished, we play the waiting game. Make sure to Save and Exit if you are playing on Peaceful mode. Switch over to Easy, normal or hard - This is important. For slimes to spawn you must be atleast 24 blocks away from the chunk you made. To be on the safe side, grab 25 ladders and climb up to the hole you dug. When you are on top of the ladder, you can go AFK for several minutes or longer. (10 minutes minimum) Climb back down and TA-DA! SLIMES!
Notes:
- Light up caves and dark areas surrounding the slime chunks
-Slimes spawn 24 blocks away from player and randomly despawn 32 blocks or more
-Placing torches on the ground inside your slime farm will take up spawning space (You can place Jack-o-lanterns, but glowstone doesn't work as it acts like a glass block)
Whenever I see another thread about help with slimes/ slime farms, I'll just basically reply with a link directing them here, hahaha. Nice post.
Haha agreed, I shall do the same. So many questions about slimes, people don't even bother to look for a similar thread. They just ask the same questions over and over again. Gets kind of annoying really. Still an awesome post though. Kudos to you good sir.
A chunk is 16x16, if when you created your world you used a seed, you can use various tools to find out where your slime chunks would be http://extension.ws/...aft/slimes.html is one of those sites with a tool. You enter your world seed into the box at top left. Click the update map and it will show where they are. You can move to specific co-ordinates with the provided fields to enter them in. If you mouse over a chunk it will give you the co-ordinates of where that chunk is. The 'X' co-ord is your east/west, the 'Z' co-ord is your north/south and your 'Y' co-ord is your Altitude.
Knowing these things we can locate where slime chunks are on our worlds using our map that has co-ords at the top of it.
Since your referring to the Slime Finder Tool, I think you should maybe squeeze in some Info.
1. The co-ord's are the edge of the chunk, not center.
2. If your going to use the slime finder, choose a spot with more then one slime chunk next to each other to increase your chances.
And Slime do not despawn. Spotting slime in normal mode, saving and loading up peaceful, the slime will still be there.
Nice guide, glad someone made one.
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Whenever I see another thread about help with slimes/ slime farms, I'll just basically reply with a link directing them here, hahaha. Nice post.
so I put in the my freinds seed and is x an z and the numbers changed no boxes shown can you explain this tool since it is over my head and some what under the roof.
and with out a seed I can not use this tool so there is nothing a can do and form what I was told you have to starrt map if you want the pistions any way so it is no big deal any way for me.
I am finding there are lots of little fish bones to choke on this game and I tire now
i tried a slime finder thing couldnt figure it out...i got lucky though the first day on my new seed i found a huge slime chunk now i have my farm its 39 wide and 69 long i already have a double chest full i need like 4 more stacks....i go to the surface for a half hour or less come back down and slimes have already spawned...no technical killing system just two 3x3 waterfalls i dug the ground out 2 deep i lead them to the water and watch them drown...
so I put in the my freinds seed and is x an z and the numbers changed no boxes shown can you explain this tool since it is over my head and some what under the roof.
and with out a seed I can not use this tool so there is nothing a can do and form what I was told you have to starrt map if you want the pistions any way so it is no big deal any way for me.
I am finding there are lots of little fish bones to choke on this game and I tire now
What you want todo is enter your seed into the provided box "world seed" and click update map. The graph on the right when then show you where slime chunks are located, coordinates can be found by mousing over the green boxes.
Now if you wanted to search a specific area for slime chunks (like near you or your house etc) you would look at your map, note down your 'X' and 'Z' coordinates and enter those into the sections of "Map Center" and click on go there. This will show the slime chunks in an area around the coordinates you entered.
What you want todo is enter your seed into the provided box "world seed" and click update map. The graph on the right when then show you where slime chunks are located, coordinates can be found by mousing over the green boxes.
Now if you wanted to search a specific area for slime chunks (like near you or your house etc) you would look at your map, note down your 'X' and 'Z' coordinates and enter those into the sections of "Map Center" and click on go there. This will show the slime chunks in an area around the coordinates you entered.
I found that it does not work with IE 9 it does work with FFox though that was the problem
I would like to get some people npt trols tohelp me fimd slime on my map I di noto use a seed and my place is to nice to start over and to bigI helped my freaind this morning to start his farm and he is on his way and happy now
ive only come across two slimes whilst building my room just randomly started building a room i do hope somewhere in it is a spawn chunk lol.
if not my room will become larger and larger until those slimes appear!
did you use a seed because I did not and I cant find any one help to wonder the mines and tunnels to help me . I do beleive If I find one and light up the area around the place and more spawn then I can build the room were we find it an have good luck
If you used the seed you can use firefox and the script to show you were to build it worked for my freind I asked him for his help and he told me to go use the script. I am the one who told him about it and told him it will not work on random worlds with out seeds.
There are the have and the have nots
And if you did not use a seed you can not have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i tried a slime finder thing couldnt figure it out...i got lucky though the first day on my new seed i found a huge slime chunk now i have my farm its 39 wide and 69 long i already have a double chest full i need like 4 more stacks....i go to the surface for a half hour or less come back down and slimes have already spawned...no technical killing system just two 3x3 waterfalls i dug the ground out 2 deep i lead them to the water and watch them drown...
Use fire fox a grid will apear it does not appear in IE 9
For those of you who can't get slimes to spawn, if you have a monster trap near your slime farm, it decreases the chance of any of them spawning. Those two interfere with each other because they're both hostile mobs and can affect the spawn rate. Had to learn this the hard way. I had two of them close to each other and figured it out, so I had to move my monster trap about 144 blocks away, lol.
For those of you who can't get slimes to spawn, if you have a monster trap near your slime farm, it decreases the chance of any of them spawning. Those two interfere with each other because they're both hostile mobs and can affect the spawn rate. Had to learn this the hard way. I had two of them close to each other and figured it out, so I had to move my monster trap about 144 blocks away, lol.
You could've had water over one lot of pads to "turn off" one trap. Much easier when pistons come out soon.
Eh, didn't want to wait. and yeah I'll be using pistons for my traps other than that, people forget to just wait atleast 24 blocks away and think that slimes will spawn in front of their face.
So am I correct in understanding your video slimes only spawn on seed maps an not on radom maps and I will never be able to get slims at all, help me understand this because this seems a bit slanted.
I wanted to create my own world and not use something evry one else had and not cookie cutter it
So am I correct in understanding your video slimes only spawn on seed maps an not on radom maps and I will never be able to get slims at all, help me understand this because this seems a bit slanted.
I wanted to create my own world and not use something evry one else had and not cookie cutter it
No it doesnt matter whether or not you have used a seed. Just as the info in my first post, they spawn on specific chunks loaded into the world. Usually 1 in every 10 chunks. Keep digging and hope to find some =P
So am I correct in understanding your video slimes only spawn on seed maps an not on radom maps and I will never be able to get slims at all, help me understand this because this seems a bit slanted.
I wanted to create my own world and not use something evry one else had and not cookie cutter it
Its not my video/channel, just a great one I found. The guy has a lot of other great videos/tutorials.
To answer your question, no it doesn't have to have a pre-set seed. He actually explains a good depth/method of finding slimes
Eh, didn't want to wait. and yeah I'll be using pistons for my traps other than that, people forget to just wait atleast 24 blocks away and think that slimes will spawn in front of their face.
I did wait 24 blocks away and follwed your dircretions and the others posts, I did not see your post though until it was to late, before sending you a message on xbox though for your help on this matter that wont happen again. I did delete the fr request after seeing your post and got your message. I can understand how it is annoying this is and see your point.
My deepest apologies.
Your posts did help me help a "xbox freind" and in turn once he got what he wanted they were gone like the wind . I dont even know why Xbox calls them freinds the should call them Assoc. or knowns not freinds but not freinds list.
and in stead of "remove" they should put the word "flush" or "crap on"
Oh youre the one who sent a message? Aye its cool man, I was just busy that day (wasnt on my original xbox, using friends xbox instead) No worries bro. So you managed to help a friend's slime farm, but wouldn't work on your world?
okay it took awhile but i figured out that you were talking about xbox minecraft. i was gonna say most people just don't wanna check the wiki about slimes and such
Because of the increased Slime threads on the forums I have written this guide to further help the knowledge of the community on Slimes for our current xbox version. Feel free to reply to the thread for further assistance, and post screens of your working farms.
Table Of Contents
Update: 20/10/2012
Added info
Update: 17/09/2012
New improved guide, hope it looks better.
Update: 23/07/2012
Info added about glowstone (also tested myself and can confirm).
Update: 15/072012
Changed due to being able to see your world seeds now.
Please note: Due to the recent version change to 1.8.2 people have been worried whether or not the slime finder tool still works. Yes it does, the slime chunks are in no way effected by the new terrain changes. Hope this clears things up
Mob Info
Slimes. As annoying as they may be, they serve a greater purpose for us.
Slimeballs, which are needed to make Sticky Pistons.
They come in 3 sizes.
Small - 0.6 block cube.
HP - 1
Damage - 0 (They just push you, which can be annoying)
Medium - 1.2 block cube.
HP - 4
Damage - 2
Large - 2.4 block cube.
HP - 16
Damage - 4
(images provided by minecraftwiki)
The small ones are the ones we're interested in, cause those are the ones which have a chance to drop 'Slimeballs' .
They can drop up to 2 slimeballs and sometimes none (0-2).
Slimes will move towards a player if they're within 16 blocks of them without line of sight.
If you're not within range of this then they will just hop in a straight line from the last direction they were facing.
Overkill
Its possible to overkill slimes in our current version (and next version too) doing this will result in a bigger/medium slime not splitting into its smaller self. Its good to use Bow/Arrow, wooden sword/tools and your hands, some people even use flint and steel to light them on fire. You can use better tools/swords to kill them you will just have to figure out how many times with each you can hit before switching to a less damaging item. (look up tool damage and compare it with the slimes HP)
Spawning Rules
Slimes only spawn in specific chunks (known to everyone as Slime Chunks) that are randomly generated with the worlds seed.
A single Chunk is 16 wide by 16 long and 128 high
Slimes will spawn in any light level and from layers 0 - 16 (once we get into our 1.2.3 update they will be able to spawn from 0 - 40 making them much more common)
Even on bedrock (This was changed later because mobs were spawning on top of the nether)
They will not spawn within a 24 block radius around you.
Knowing that they spawn in any light level is key to us.
Until official release (which would be our 1.2.3) Slimes will be able to spawn on Glowstone (as of 1.6.6 glowstone is treated as "Stone" in official it is changed back to "Glass") Now I will still stand by my "Slimes wont spawn on a space occupied by a torch" I have seen Xisumavoids Myth Buster video where it shows them spawning on them but that version he was using is 1.2.5 (or greater) I have tried on PC 1.7.3 on a flat land and couldnt get 1 to spawn, i added a couple of dirt blocks above the torches and straight away I got slimes spawning.
Slimes do not despawn when switching difficulties like other hostile mobs do, this has led people to believe that slimes spawn on peaceful. They dont, the slime you seen had already spawned on 'easy/medium/hard' and remained there after switching to peaceful.
https://twitter.com/...300577314275329
Efficiency
Because slimes have such a small spawn rate we need to make our slime farms more efficient.
There are a few ways to do this, but the major one is light.
We want to light up areas so no other mobs can spawn, we're taking advantage of the fact slimes spawn in any light levels. This includes caves nearby (well mobs can spawn up to 128 block radius around you) so lighting up all caves in an area will help efficiency skyrocket. You can also add multi tiered spawning pads to increase spawning space for more slimes to spawn on.
Slime Finder App
The slime finder app is used in conjunction with your map seed to locate slime chunks, there are various tools out there for this. I recommend this one here
http://extension.ws/...aft/slimes.html
(people have been having problems using IE with this tool, please use FF or Chrome)
Also a few of you have been getting confused as to how the app works which is why I created a little picture describing whats what and the steps to take.
1: Here is where we enter our seed.
2: Then we click this Update Map and it will show slime chunks on the grid ( 5 )
3: We can center the map on specific coordinates by entering them in these 2 boxes ( x and z ) This is so we can search around a specific area.
4: We then click Go there so our grid gets updated to those specific coordinates.
5: This is our generated grid from our seed.
6:The green squares represent slime chunks and if you mouse over them it will display the chunks border with coordinates.
7:Our coordinates of the chunk border displaying in this pic -16,-112 to 0,-96
This part confuses alot of people.
You could say looking at the grid, top being north that -16 is the top left of the chunk, -112 is the bottom left, 0 is the top right and -96 is the bottom right. Our border is made up of these 4 coordinate numbers. -16 being 'X' -112 being 'Z'.
You would travel to -16 'X' and dig out the perimeter of your slime chunk don't forget under layer 16
(-16 x dig until you hit 0 x, then to Z -96 and back to Z -112) after you perimeter is dug out you then want to dig out everything inside that border.
Slime Farms
I wont go into too much detail here until we get our adventure update, but roughly
You want some kind of spawning pads, its a good idea to have them at least 2-3 blocks above bedrock so you can have water channels along side of the pads for the slimes to hop into.
These channels would lead to a corner (or area) where you would have your grinder, usually a drowner to drown the big/medium slimes into small ones. The small ones are then usually transported via ladders/water to a collection point ready for killing (either by the player or fall or some other means)
More info to come, If this has helped in any way please feel free to +1 rep it. Hope it was helpful
~Fayzed
Here's a simple tutorial/review on finding slimes. (On the Xbox Version as of now, slimes only spawn in layer 1-16)
This project is great since you get a lot of resources from it including diamonds, redstone, coal, and craploads of cobblestone.
Materials needed:
1. Find the seed of your world and enter it in the slime finder app linked in the first page. Look at your map: locate where you are and round the X and Z coordinates to the nearest 16th, since chunks are 16x16.
2. Generally, I break the golden rule of digging straight down, but eh, its quicker. Dig down on the coordinates on the slime finder app. (in this case it's (0,16) x being 0, and z being 16) once you hit bedrock. This would be the corner of the chunk, NOT the middle. (Note: you can be above bedrock from level 1-16. y:16 is the maximum for the Xbox version)
3. Once you are around bedrock, carve out the outline of the slime chunk all the way to the other coordinate. For example (corner 1 : (0,16) all the way to corner 2 : (16,32))
4. You can make this easier for yourself by using TNT to blow up the rest of the area. (TNT blows up a 3x3 chunk of stone/cobblestone)
5. Once you finished blowing up or mining the last bits of the chunk it should look like this. Place glowstone or torches around the area, BE SURE not to place torches on the ground as it will take up spawning space.
6. With everything finished, we play the waiting game. Make sure to Save and Exit if you are playing on Peaceful mode. Switch over to Easy, normal or hard - This is important. For slimes to spawn you must be atleast 24 blocks away from the chunk you made. To be on the safe side, grab 25 ladders and climb up to the hole you dug. When you are on top of the ladder, you can go AFK for several minutes or longer. (10 minutes minimum) Climb back down and TA-DA! SLIMES!
Since your referring to the Slime Finder Tool, I think you should maybe squeeze in some Info.
1. The co-ord's are the edge of the chunk, not center.
2. If your going to use the slime finder, choose a spot with more then one slime chunk next to each other to increase your chances.
And Slime do not despawn. Spotting slime in normal mode, saving and loading up peaceful, the slime will still be there.
Nice guide, glad someone made one.
so I put in the my freinds seed and is x an z and the numbers changed no boxes shown can you explain this tool since it is over my head and some what under the roof.
and with out a seed I can not use this tool so there is nothing a can do and form what I was told you have to starrt map if you want the pistions any way so it is no big deal any way for me.
I am finding there are lots of little fish bones to choke on this game and I tire now
Project Aztec Server Stats: Rage Quits - 132 Deaths - 311 Survivors - 13, 11:36
If you're using this tool from this site
http://extension.ws/minecraft/slimes.html
What you want todo is enter your seed into the provided box "world seed" and click update map. The graph on the right when then show you where slime chunks are located, coordinates can be found by mousing over the green boxes.
Now if you wanted to search a specific area for slime chunks (like near you or your house etc) you would look at your map, note down your 'X' and 'Z' coordinates and enter those into the sections of "Map Center" and click on go there. This will show the slime chunks in an area around the coordinates you entered.
I found that it does not work with IE 9 it does work with FFox though that was the problem
I would like to get some people npt trols tohelp me fimd slime on my map I di noto use a seed and my place is to nice to start over and to bigI helped my freaind this morning to start his farm and he is on his way and happy now
Project Aztec Server Stats: Rage Quits - 132 Deaths - 311 Survivors - 13, 11:36
did you use a seed because I did not and I cant find any one help to wonder the mines and tunnels to help me . I do beleive If I find one and light up the area around the place and more spawn then I can build the room were we find it an have good luck
If you used the seed you can use firefox and the script to show you were to build it worked for my freind I asked him for his help and he told me to go use the script. I am the one who told him about it and told him it will not work on random worlds with out seeds.
There are the have and the have nots
And if you did not use a seed you can not have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tuff tinker toys
Slime is for the elite and that I am not
Project Aztec Server Stats: Rage Quits - 132 Deaths - 311 Survivors - 13, 11:36
Use fire fox a grid will apear it does not appear in IE 9
Project Aztec Server Stats: Rage Quits - 132 Deaths - 311 Survivors - 13, 11:36
You could've had water over one lot of pads to "turn off" one trap. Much easier when pistons come out soon.
So am I correct in understanding your video slimes only spawn on seed maps an not on radom maps and I will never be able to get slims at all, help me understand this because this seems a bit slanted.
I wanted to create my own world and not use something evry one else had and not cookie cutter it
Project Aztec Server Stats: Rage Quits - 132 Deaths - 311 Survivors - 13, 11:36
No it doesnt matter whether or not you have used a seed. Just as the info in my first post, they spawn on specific chunks loaded into the world. Usually 1 in every 10 chunks. Keep digging and hope to find some =P
Its not my video/channel, just a great one I found. The guy has a lot of other great videos/tutorials.
To answer your question, no it doesn't have to have a pre-set seed. He actually explains a good depth/method of finding slimes
I did wait 24 blocks away and follwed your dircretions and the others posts, I did not see your post though until it was to late, before sending you a message on xbox though for your help on this matter that wont happen again. I did delete the fr request after seeing your post and got your message. I can understand how it is annoying this is and see your point.
My deepest apologies.
Your posts did help me help a "xbox freind" and in turn once he got what he wanted they were gone like the wind . I dont even know why Xbox calls them freinds the should call them Assoc. or knowns not freinds but not freinds list.
and in stead of "remove" they should put the word "flush" or "crap on"
My deepest apologies again on this matter.
Project Aztec Server Stats: Rage Quits - 132 Deaths - 311 Survivors - 13, 11:36