You didn't understand. Just if you play survival doesn't mean that you don't have the right to make structures and creative art. Before creative mode came in the actual game on the PC almost all buildings were made by hand,without flying and unlimited blocks. And yet they were creative,innovative. Also,people don't just play minimum. If people want to,they make structures in survival.
And,it is true that a building in survival is more valuable than in creative.
I'd rather appreciate a good building for which took a lot of time to get resources and that the builders took effort in rather than the same building built with unlimited blocks and flying.
You didn't understand. Just if you play survival doesn't mean that you don't have the right to make structures and creative art. Before creative mode came in the actual game on the PC almost all buildings were made by hand,without flying and unlimited blocks. And yet they were creative,innovative. Also,people don't just play minimum. If people want to,they make structures in survival.
And,it is true that a building in survival is more valuable than in creative.
I'd rather appreciate a good building for which took a lot of time to get resources and that the builders took effort in rather than the same building built with unlimited blocks and flying.
Challenge and creativity are two different things.
Sure in survival I can create a 3 block hole and hide in it forever. But that's not fun and that's not what I'm going to do. I'm not playing to survive, I'm not playing to accomplish the current objective in the best way possible I'm playing to have fun.
When you play creative you're not playing it to survive, you're playing it to have fun in your own way.
And seriously, we all like this same game, we all have fun in it dont we? Why the hell are we bickering so much? We all like Minecraft so just shut up and enjoy your dang game.
Sure in survival I can create a 3 block hole and hide in it forever. But that's not fun and that's not what I'm going to do. I'm not playing to survive, I'm not playing to accomplish the current objective in the best way possible I'm playing to have fun.
When you play creative you're not playing it to survive, you're playing it to have fun in your own way.
And seriously, we all like this same game, we all have fun in it dont we? Why the hell are we bickering so much? We all like Minecraft so just shut up and enjoy your dang game.
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Because we have the right to discuss and debate what approach we like more.
I've been bashed for saying there is no wrong way to play minecraft. Yet there is still diagreement.
I'm not simply bashing the way survivalists play minecraft. I only challenge the definition of survival and apply it to the game. Survivalists brag that they accomplish more when all they do are limiting themselves. I don't feel it's really something to brag about.
Would Leonardo feel better about painting the Mona Lisa while standing on his head? I don't really think so. It's not really practical when it comes to being creative. You want the best chance to get the best painting... so why obstruct yourself?
Because we have the right to discuss and debate what approach we like more.
I've been bashed for saying there is no wrong way to play minecraft. Yet there is still diagreement.
Thats what I'm saying. Those are the people I'm yelling at. Sure you have a right to debate and discuss. I'm just tired of the stupid bashing. It's old. I've gotten my fill of creative with Fortresscraft for now and I know a bunch of minecrafters bash it but eh, I enjoy it and right now since MCXBLA doesnt have it so I play creative on Fortresscraft and I play survival on Minecraft.
I'm not simply bashing the way survivalists play minecraft. I only challenge the definition of survival and apply it to the game. Survivalists brag that they accomplish more when all they do are limiting themselves. I don't feel it's really something to brag about.
Would Leonardo feel better about painting the Mona Lisa while standing on his head? I don't really think so. It's not really practical when it comes to being creative. You want the best chance to get the best painting... so why obstruct yourself?
See hold on, by labeling people who enjoy survival more survivalists it kind of strikes me as bashing. Because what do you think of when you think of survivalists? I dont know about you but I think about those crazy folk who think the worlds about to explode and stockpile food weapons and resources.
Anyway, you're limiting your perspective of the game. I know the you like to create and build beautiful structures artwork and what not and that's great. Go on ahead. And I know I think they shouldnt have removed the duping glitch untill Creative came out but eh, what can you do? What's the goal of survival? Surviving, I dont intend to create big beautiful castles or structures I just intend to survive the best way I can. I know you want to create big beautiful structures but PC had to wait for 1.8 so we can too lol
And I know my second paragraph here kinda contradicts my first but shut up you lousy creationist! (I jest of course)
Furthermore I want to tell you a story so bare with me.
A friend of mine, Steph, she's created beautiful structures. Beautiful stuff, but she would never play on anything but peaceful but she's created fantastic sstuff. Some great stuff I could never do that stuff out of creative or without duping (she duped btw [and I helped =D]).
And now that the duping glitch is done she mostly comes with us on survival games and what she does is she makes we have plenty of food and she decorates our homes and builds pretty cool stuff out of the resources we bring home. It seems a little sexists but I go mining for a couple minecraft days and I'll come back and I'll just be amazed at the stuff she's built while I'm gone and it's still creative. She's never in too much danger, she usually has enough resources and she still builds cool stuff.\
The only thing i have to do is the redstone contraptions, but I enjoy those and it's fun for us all. She can be creative and I can be a survivalist. Fighting off hordes of enemies protecting the damsel <3
Furthermore I want to tell you a story so bare with me.
A friend of mine, Steph, she's created beautiful structures. Beautiful stuff, but she would never play on anything but peaceful but she's created fantastic sstuff. Some great stuff I could never do that stuff out of creative or without duping (she duped btw [and I helped =D]).
And now that the duping glitch is done she mostly comes with us on survival games and what she does is she makes we have plenty of food and she decorates our homes and builds pretty cool stuff out of the resources we bring home. It seems a little sexists but I go mining for a couple minecraft days and I'll come back and I'll just be amazed at the stuff she's built while I'm gone and it's still creative. She's never in too much danger, she usually has enough resources and she still builds cool stuff.\
The only thing i have to do is the redstone contraptions, but I enjoy those and it's fun for us all. She can be creative and I can be a survivalist. Fighting off hordes of enemies protecting the damsel <3
Yeah, roleplaying is the shiz. Especially with females! wink wink!
Survival is not only about challenge. Nobody forces you to just plain survive in survival. Infact,you can be very creative in survival,as I said.
According to those harcore groups that play survival exstensively, survival is about challenge, determination, and setting goals that revolve around being successful in the elements. Being creative doesn't seem to be efficient or resourceful... so the two styles clash.
Yes, they have their own beauties, but they don't play well in their goals.
I can never understand how people try to pass themselves off as intellectuals having a dialectic in these types of posts when they seem to be intentionally missing the point.
I've been bashed for saying there is no wrong way to play minecraft. Yet there is still diagreement.
Why would you care? There's no wrong way to play Minecraft. There's a wrong way to use forums. If you're getting bashed for stating the obvious, stop using the forum the wrong way? It's a huge sandbox game - you can't do it wrong. There you go, I've said it, too.
Would Leonardo feel better about painting the Mona Lisa while standing on his head? I don't really think so. It's not really practical when it comes to being creative. You want the best chance to get the best painting... so why obstruct yourself?
Point missed.
If you ask me, it isn't about making it harder. Survival doesn't necessarily make it harder (ohnoes a creeper what do with my 300 arrows?! Relevant: I will black out the sky with arrows. Tonight he shall explode in the shade).
Creative mode isn't all that creative - you have infinite blocks to arrange however you like. That's fine. Arrange the blocks as much as you like. Survival requires you to use your problem solving skills to collect those thousands of pieces of wool/stone/lapis lazuli/whatever. Survival shapes the environment to help you express your creativity. Anyone that says their creativity is being stifled because of a dupe glitch getting patched or Creative not being there - well, you're full of @#$!. End of story.
DaVinci didn't paint the Mona Lisa with a PC capable of 32 million colors. He did it with the materials he had available. The cost of the materials was stupidly high and quality of the materials were ridiculously low at that time. It wasn't a matter of watching a Bob Ross video while you grab 25 latex paint colors from your local Craft Store on sale for $30. He might as well have been standing on his head - that would've been easier if he could get the materials for what we can today. Dumb analogy is mind numbingly dumb and actually supports the pro-Survivalists - the difficulty of the process with crappy tools and the rarity of the materials has absolutely no relationship to Creative mode.
PS - if this post sounds rude and assy, well.... it sort of is, so deal with it. These threads are ridiculous. They're the equivalent of trying to start an argument with someone for driving a truck instead of a sedan. Seriously? C'mon, seriously? Stop slinging rocks and you won't get them thrown back at you, maybe?
I've been bashed for saying there is no wrong way to play minecraft. Yet there is still diagreement
Wait, what? The title says survival is overrated. Here are some quotes of yours that illustrate ways that are "wrong" to play according to you:
I DO NOT SUPPORT THE DUP GLITCH FOR THE PURITY OF CREATIVITY!
Isn't using the dup glitch a way to play?
Cheating in survival or creative is not supported by me.
So it's wrong to install a mod that gets rid of hunger if you don't like the bar? And the dup glitch is the "wrong" way to play?
Creative playing goes beyond symplisity
Again, it's not bashing survivalists, just saying they are "symple" (the forum has spell check you know...)
I'm not simply bashing the way survivalists play minecraft. I only challenge the definition of survival and apply it to the game. Survivalists brag that they accomplish more when all they do are limiting themselves. I don't feel it's really something to brag about.
Would Leonardo feel better about painting the Mona Lisa while standing on his head? I don't really think so. It's not really practical when it comes to being creative. You want the best chance to get the best painting... so why obstruct yourself?
But the thing is, we aren't standing on our heads in survival, you are the ones flying around the canvas. I don't have a problem with creative mode, but saying that survival mode is standing on out head is wrong. Also, saying that accomplishing something in a harder degree of difficulty (survival rather than creative), isn't something to brag about is flawed as well. Just because you don't like to add a challenge (nothing wrong with that, I just prefer a challenge), doesn't mean that another person isn't bragging.
You still haven't explained how you play minecraft, if you don't support duping, and think survival is about digging a hole.
You saying that survival is only about surviving is flawed as well. Creative mode isn't all about creativity, which makes your logic invalid. I can go into creative mode, plunk down tnt and watch it explode. Is that creative? No. But it is still in creative mode.
When surviving... practicallity and logic are envolved. How can this apply to creativity?
Well, I can still be creative when using logic. That's the basis of an outside the box solution. And logic can be used with something like redstone in a creative way during survival, when making defenses.
Many do not want to be limited in their imagination. They want to branch out as far as possible.
Survivalists have their list of querks for the game as well, but that is another discussion for another day. Um, the last time I checked, going into survival mode doesn't limit imagination in any way. It could limit the fulfillment of the imagination, but not the imagination itself. And it really doesn't limit the fulfillment, unless you want to build a diamond house, which isn't creative at all... (But I see you continue your tradition of not bashing...)
Being creative doesn't seem to be efficient or resourceful... so the two styles clash.Are you really saying that creativity is neither efficient or resourceful? Because that is incredibly wrong. Creative solutions to problems are often efficient, that's why they are creative.
Basically, I have a problem with you saying you aren't bashing the "survivalists", or any way to play, but continually point out why creative mode is better. Your logic is also incorrect and flawed for many of your reasonings.
In survival it's your world and you live in it. It's not hard and it's not hard to survive. I play on easy because I think that's hard enough. The challenge of survival is not running from monsters. If you want to avoid monsters, you go to sleep when the sun goes down. If I'm building something and the sun starts going down I find a bed (I'm never far from a bed, I planned it that way). Then the next day I start building again. The biggest threat is screwing up and falling into lava while mining/spelunking. I've only died from monster attack a few times. The worst was when I jumped onto a dark ledge hanging over some lava. 3 zombies came out of the dark and pushed me into the lava. It's not hard to grab 5 bowls of mushroom soup, a set of diamond tools, a full set of armor, and torches and go mining.
Once you establish your base of operations and start stockpiling supplies you really aren't threatened too badly. And even if you screw up and die, you curse a few times but you never start completely over. You respawn and hopefully go find your stuff. If not, you have plenty of supplies. My world has a giant fort, a giant tree fort, several houses of various sizes, some interesting structures with lava flowing through them, minecart rails connecting everything, lots of mines, lots of chests filled with resources. I don't log into my survival game with the goal of 'surviving'. I log in with the goal of screwing around building something or looking for diamonds or something. 'Survival' is just what they call it. It's still a creative game. 'survivalists' as you call them are also 'creativists'. If you want fast paced twitchy non-stop survivalist action, then you wouldn't be playing minecraft.
By your same reasoning placing 2 different blocks in creative mode, means you have created. Just ask yourself why you do more in creative than just that, then perhaps you will understand why survival mode isn't about digging a hole and hiding.
You aren't asked to do anything at all in creative mode, you choose to challenge yourself and build something magnificent. Just a survivalist choose not to hide in a hole in the ground. The rest of your argument here makes no sense to me because anything you can do in creative you can do in survival. There are some blocks that are going to be limited in this version, but that is not a flaw of the game mode, it is a flaw of this system not being able to cope with practically infinite worlds. I've also found that a lack of blocks, if anything, forces you to be even more creative.
That is great that creatives see the world that way, survivalist have the same sort of feeling, sure there is already landscape there but it is theirs to mould and shape using their.... creativity That practicality and logic you speak of requires creativity in creating it's machines structures etc.
Very true sir, though perhaps your first sentence of this post should reflect that a little more by stating your opinion and not making a statement as fact. Something like "Survival is overrated in my opinion."
Your point about Leonardo makes no sense, we don't stand on our heads in survival whilst we work. Leonardo did however invent his own recipe for paints, something which rings truer to survival mode than anything else. As well as all the real world necessities of things you have to get before you can start creating. Your question here presumes that all people want to do is to be creative, that is just wrong many of us enjoy being creative and facing challenges, for us creative mode would obstruct our ability to do just that.
[color=#000000][color=#000000]Not possible since you can be creative when you survive, in fact if anything if you wish to survive well then you often have to be even more creative.
One final thing I would like to add, it won't be long before hiding in a hole will lead to death, since you will starve.
Hopefully you can appreciate one of the other perspectives to the 'point of survival' now. I'm not asking you to agree with me, but I would hope that by seeing both sides here you can see that survival is not overrated, it is just not a game mode that appeals to you personally.[/color]
I would say most of your points are moot due to the fact that survival is parallel with certain guildance, or you fail to survive. It's 0 or 1. Live or die. Yes or no. There is no need to be creative when surviving. You only choose to be. That's the beauty of creativity. It's by choice... not by circumstance. You must survive. But must you be creative?
In survival it's your world and you live in it. It's not hard and it's not hard to survive. I play on easy because I think that's hard enough. The challenge of survival is not running from monsters. If you want to avoid monsters, you go to sleep when the sun goes down. If I'm building something and the sun starts going down I find a bed (I'm never far from a bed, I planned it that way). Then the next day I start building again. The biggest threat is screwing up and falling into lava while mining/spelunking. I've only died from monster attack a few times. The worst was when I jumped onto a dark ledge hanging over some lava. 3 zombies came out of the dark and pushed me into the lava. It's not hard to grab 5 bowls of mushroom soup, a set of diamond tools, a full set of armor, and torches and go mining.
Once you establish your base of operations and start stockpiling supplies you really aren't threatened too badly. And even if you screw up and die, you curse a few times but you never start completely over. You respawn and hopefully go find your stuff. If not, you have plenty of supplies. My world has a giant fort, a giant tree fort, several houses of various sizes, some interesting structures with lava flowing through them, minecart rails connecting everything, lots of mines, lots of chests filled with resources. I don't log into my survival game with the goal of 'surviving'. I log in with the goal of screwing around building something or looking for diamonds or something. 'Survival' is just what they call it. It's still a creative game. 'survivalists' as you call them are also 'creativists'. If you want fast paced twitchy non-stop survivalist action, then you wouldn't be playing minecraft.
My point again, you react upon circumstance. Sleep to avoid monsters, gather supplies for health and materials, etc... you need these things. If you don't then chances are you will fail. You can't fail when you choose to be creative. It's your choice and your expression.
[color=#282828][font=Verdana, Geneva, Tahoma, sans-serif][size=small]Wait, what? The title says survival is overrated. Here are some quotes of yours that illustrate ways that are "wrong" to play according to you:[/size][/font][/color]
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Isn't using the dup glitch a way to play?[/size][/font][/color]
So it's wrong to install a mod that gets rid of hunger if you don't like the bar? And the dup glitch is the "wrong" way to play?
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Again, it's not bashing survivalists, just saying they are "symple" (the forum has spell check you know...)
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But the thing is, we aren't standing on our heads in survival, you are the ones flying around the canvas. I don't have a problem with creative mode, but saying that survival mode is standing on out head is wrong. Also, saying that accomplishing something in a harder degree of difficulty (survival rather than creative), isn't something to brag about is flawed as well. Just because you don't like to add a challenge (nothing wrong with that, I just prefer a challenge), doesn't mean that another person isn't bragging.
You still haven't explained how you play minecraft, if you don't support duping, and think survival is about digging a hole.
You saying that survival is only about surviving is flawed as well. Creative mode isn't all about creativity, which makes your logic invalid. I can go into creative mode, plunk down tnt and watch it explode. Is that creative? No. But it is still in creative mode.
[/size][/font][/color][color=#282828][font=Verdana, Geneva, Tahoma, sans-serif][size=small]Well, I can still be creative when using logic. That's the basis of an outside the box solution. And logic can be used with something like redstone in a creative way during survival, when making defenses.[/size][/font][/color]
[font=Verdana, Geneva, Tahoma, sans-serif][size=x-small][color=#282828]Um, the last time I checked, going into survival mode doesn't limit imagination in any way. It could limit the fulfillment of the imagination, but not the imagination itself. And it really doesn't limit the fulfillment, unless you want to build a diamond house, which isn't creative at all... (But I see you continue your tradition of not bashing...)[/color][/size][/font]
[color=#282828][font=Verdana, Geneva, Tahoma, sans-serif][size=small]Are you really saying that creativity is neither efficient or resourceful? Because that is incredibly wrong. Creative solutions to problems are often efficient, that's why they are creative.[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#282828][font=Verdana, Geneva, Tahoma, sans-serif][size=small]Basically, I have a problem with you saying you aren't bashing the "survivalists", or any way to play, but continually point out why creative mode is better. Your logic is also incorrect and flawed for many of your reasonings.[/size][/font][/color]
Something can be creative and efficient. But they are born of 2 different goals. One is astetic and the other is for fuction.
Very true sir, though perhaps your first sentence of this post should reflect that a little more by stating your opinion and not making a statement as fact. Something like "Survival is overrated in my opinion."
So, what do you expect? Survival mode being deleted or something?
Your lovely creative mode will be added, just wait.
No. I'm stating and debating my opinion and disappointment in Minecraft's current state. I think I have the right to do that. I'm patient. I know that game will change. But that's what forums are for. To rant about things and talk about details with fellow gamers. It's really fun to stir things up.
I bet he would,lol That would be amazing and funny if he did.
Maybe, but then again the Mona Lisa might have looked like a Picasso painting instead, demented and distorted. Leonardo was about realism during the renaissance.
Your first sentence makes no sense to me at all, so I can't answer that. If you fail to survive, then you respawn, so no it isn't black and white as you make it out to be. There is no point in being creative when playing creative. You only choose to be. Exactly as you do in Survival mode, that is why your arguments make no sense.
I have to say that the way you seem to be arguing points is coming across as being rather childish in nature. You know it takes a bigger man and earns far more respect to hold up your hands and admit that you were wrong, something I just cannot see you doing, you seem to argue points that have no logic or truth behind them. I think perhaps the whole purpose to your thread and arguments is simply to troll, not because you truly believe in what you are saying.
I believe in what I'm saying. Respawning doesnt punish the player for dieing per say. Simply respawning leaves no consequence for death. However, how you respawn or in what state may be where you fail. Losing all your items in lava is an epic fail... especially if they are rare.
You see, there are consequences in the game of survival... are there not? And in the end it's win or lose even if you think respawning is a win.. and it may be a cheap win for that matter, degrading the whole meaning of survival. So maybe you just proved my point even further.
Again, there is no consequence to pure and free creativity, only self expression.
Yes, you can create in survival... and you get pleasure out of fighting the elements. But you have to play by a certain set of rules that restrict you and obstruct full creativity. I don't really think you get it. I think most people that get caught up in the normal grind of minecraft don't get it either. And so, the disagreement continues... respectfully.
A great deal of this thread's argument revolves around this, you seem to be discussing 'hardcore survivalists' no matter what. And no, I'm not bashing creativity, nor survival. For the moment though, survival is all that's available for the XBOX. Really, if anyone is 'hardcore' about anything then great for them, but they are the minority that shout louder, and shouldn't be considered to have the popular opinion.
Creativity is something that is recognised both in creative or survival. However, survival definitely gives creativity a higher regard, and, for some, more reward on completion.
Of course, everyone's entitled to their own opinion but this entire thread is based on opinion - such is the nature of the thread topic - and discussions on opinions are likely to lean towards an argument as opposed to a proper discussion.
Oh, and that Mona Lisa point - very strange I must say - but I'd think if he did paint it upside-down then if anything it would only be more impressive, but the creativity 'level' is the same (the craziness is a bit higher).
My point is simple. Creativity with restriction isn't full creativity. Creativity falls short when there are limits to express yourself. Again, I don't believe any historical creator/inventor would purposely obstruct there self from reaching their goal ASAP. It doesn't make sense.
I must say, that is a very intellegent argument you have there. Flame on, man. Flame on.
You're the one using contradictory statements to start a thread whose sole product is going to be argument centered around you. You are merely stirring the pot because you want to play on creative and not survival. Not a single person is going to sympathize with you because you are so pants-on-head retarded that you'd rather waste time on the forums that you could spend either a) getting the PC version, or collecting resources.
From what I've seen, your only claim is that you can't be creative because survival doesn't let you fly, doesn't give you unlimited resources, and doesn't make you invincible. Get sarcastic with me all you want, but you are clearly not the source of any intelligence here.
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Challenge and creativity are two different things.
Simply put, survival is overrated.
Herobrine exists because we let him exist.
Sure in survival I can create a 3 block hole and hide in it forever. But that's not fun and that's not what I'm going to do. I'm not playing to survive, I'm not playing to accomplish the current objective in the best way possible I'm playing to have fun.
When you play creative you're not playing it to survive, you're playing it to have fun in your own way.
And seriously, we all like this same game, we all have fun in it dont we? Why the hell are we bickering so much? We all like Minecraft so just shut up and enjoy your dang game.
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Because we have the right to discuss and debate what approach we like more.
I've been bashed for saying there is no wrong way to play minecraft. Yet there is still diagreement.
I'm not simply bashing the way survivalists play minecraft. I only challenge the definition of survival and apply it to the game. Survivalists brag that they accomplish more when all they do are limiting themselves. I don't feel it's really something to brag about.
Would Leonardo feel better about painting the Mona Lisa while standing on his head? I don't really think so. It's not really practical when it comes to being creative. You want the best chance to get the best painting... so why obstruct yourself?
Herobrine exists because we let him exist.
Thats what I'm saying. Those are the people I'm yelling at. Sure you have a right to debate and discuss. I'm just tired of the stupid bashing. It's old. I've gotten my fill of creative with Fortresscraft for now and I know a bunch of minecrafters bash it but eh, I enjoy it and right now since MCXBLA doesnt have it so I play creative on Fortresscraft and I play survival on Minecraft.
See hold on, by labeling people who enjoy survival more survivalists it kind of strikes me as bashing. Because what do you think of when you think of survivalists? I dont know about you but I think about those crazy folk who think the worlds about to explode and stockpile food weapons and resources.
Anyway, you're limiting your perspective of the game. I know the you like to create and build beautiful structures artwork and what not and that's great. Go on ahead. And I know I think they shouldnt have removed the duping glitch untill Creative came out but eh, what can you do? What's the goal of survival? Surviving, I dont intend to create big beautiful castles or structures I just intend to survive the best way I can. I know you want to create big beautiful structures but PC had to wait for 1.8 so we can too lol
And I know my second paragraph here kinda contradicts my first but shut up you lousy creationist! (I jest of course)
A friend of mine, Steph, she's created beautiful structures. Beautiful stuff, but she would never play on anything but peaceful but she's created fantastic sstuff. Some great stuff I could never do that stuff out of creative or without duping (she duped btw [and I helped =D]).
And now that the duping glitch is done she mostly comes with us on survival games and what she does is she makes we have plenty of food and she decorates our homes and builds pretty cool stuff out of the resources we bring home. It seems a little sexists but I go mining for a couple minecraft days and I'll come back and I'll just be amazed at the stuff she's built while I'm gone and it's still creative. She's never in too much danger, she usually has enough resources and she still builds cool stuff.\
The only thing i have to do is the redstone contraptions, but I enjoy those and it's fun for us all. She can be creative and I can be a survivalist. Fighting off hordes of enemies protecting the damsel <3
Yeah, roleplaying is the shiz. Especially with females! wink wink!
According to those harcore groups that play survival exstensively, survival is about challenge, determination, and setting goals that revolve around being successful in the elements. Being creative doesn't seem to be efficient or resourceful... so the two styles clash.
Yes, they have their own beauties, but they don't play well in their goals.
Herobrine exists because we let him exist.
Why would you care? There's no wrong way to play Minecraft. There's a wrong way to use forums. If you're getting bashed for stating the obvious, stop using the forum the wrong way? It's a huge sandbox game - you can't do it wrong. There you go, I've said it, too.
Point missed.
If you ask me, it isn't about making it harder. Survival doesn't necessarily make it harder (ohnoes a creeper what do with my 300 arrows?! Relevant: I will black out the sky with arrows. Tonight he shall explode in the shade).
Creative mode isn't all that creative - you have infinite blocks to arrange however you like. That's fine. Arrange the blocks as much as you like. Survival requires you to use your problem solving skills to collect those thousands of pieces of wool/stone/lapis lazuli/whatever. Survival shapes the environment to help you express your creativity. Anyone that says their creativity is being stifled because of a dupe glitch getting patched or Creative not being there - well, you're full of @#$!. End of story.
DaVinci didn't paint the Mona Lisa with a PC capable of 32 million colors. He did it with the materials he had available. The cost of the materials was stupidly high and quality of the materials were ridiculously low at that time. It wasn't a matter of watching a Bob Ross video while you grab 25 latex paint colors from your local Craft Store on sale for $30. He might as well have been standing on his head - that would've been easier if he could get the materials for what we can today. Dumb analogy is mind numbingly dumb and actually supports the pro-Survivalists - the difficulty of the process with crappy tools and the rarity of the materials has absolutely no relationship to Creative mode.
PS - if this post sounds rude and assy, well.... it sort of is, so deal with it. These threads are ridiculous. They're the equivalent of trying to start an argument with someone for driving a truck instead of a sedan. Seriously? C'mon, seriously? Stop slinging rocks and you won't get them thrown back at you, maybe?
Wait, what? The title says survival is overrated. Here are some quotes of yours that illustrate ways that are "wrong" to play according to you:
I DO NOT SUPPORT THE DUP GLITCH FOR THE PURITY OF CREATIVITY!
Isn't using the dup glitch a way to play?
So it's wrong to install a mod that gets rid of hunger if you don't like the bar? And the dup glitch is the "wrong" way to play?
Again, it's not bashing survivalists, just saying they are "symple" (the forum has spell check you know...)
But the thing is, we aren't standing on our heads in survival, you are the ones flying around the canvas. I don't have a problem with creative mode, but saying that survival mode is standing on out head is wrong. Also, saying that accomplishing something in a harder degree of difficulty (survival rather than creative), isn't something to brag about is flawed as well. Just because you don't like to add a challenge (nothing wrong with that, I just prefer a challenge), doesn't mean that another person isn't bragging.
You still haven't explained how you play minecraft, if you don't support duping, and think survival is about digging a hole.
You saying that survival is only about surviving is flawed as well. Creative mode isn't all about creativity, which makes your logic invalid. I can go into creative mode, plunk down tnt and watch it explode. Is that creative? No. But it is still in creative mode.
Well, I can still be creative when using logic. That's the basis of an outside the box solution. And logic can be used with something like redstone in a creative way during survival, when making defenses.
Many do not want to be limited in their imagination. They want to branch out as far as possible.
Survivalists have their list of querks for the game as well, but that is another discussion for another day.
Um, the last time I checked, going into survival mode doesn't limit imagination in any way. It could limit the fulfillment of the imagination, but not the imagination itself. And it really doesn't limit the fulfillment, unless you want to build a diamond house, which isn't creative at all... (But I see you continue your tradition of not bashing...)
Being creative doesn't seem to be efficient or resourceful... so the two styles clash.Are you really saying that creativity is neither efficient or resourceful? Because that is incredibly wrong. Creative solutions to problems are often efficient, that's why they are creative.
Basically, I have a problem with you saying you aren't bashing the "survivalists", or any way to play, but continually point out why creative mode is better. Your logic is also incorrect and flawed for many of your reasonings.
Once you establish your base of operations and start stockpiling supplies you really aren't threatened too badly. And even if you screw up and die, you curse a few times but you never start completely over. You respawn and hopefully go find your stuff. If not, you have plenty of supplies. My world has a giant fort, a giant tree fort, several houses of various sizes, some interesting structures with lava flowing through them, minecart rails connecting everything, lots of mines, lots of chests filled with resources. I don't log into my survival game with the goal of 'surviving'. I log in with the goal of screwing around building something or looking for diamonds or something. 'Survival' is just what they call it. It's still a creative game. 'survivalists' as you call them are also 'creativists'. If you want fast paced twitchy non-stop survivalist action, then you wouldn't be playing minecraft.
I would say most of your points are moot due to the fact that survival is parallel with certain guildance, or you fail to survive. It's 0 or 1. Live or die. Yes or no. There is no need to be creative when surviving. You only choose to be. That's the beauty of creativity. It's by choice... not by circumstance. You must survive. But must you be creative?
My point again, you react upon circumstance. Sleep to avoid monsters, gather supplies for health and materials, etc... you need these things. If you don't then chances are you will fail. You can't fail when you choose to be creative. It's your choice and your expression.
Something can be creative and efficient. But they are born of 2 different goals. One is astetic and the other is for fuction.
Herobrine exists because we let him exist.
I must say, that is a very intellegent argument you have there. Flame on, man. Flame on.
Herobrine exists because we let him exist.
OP Fixed. Again.
Herobrine exists because we let him exist.
I bet he would,lol That would be amazing and funny if he did.
No. I'm stating and debating my opinion and disappointment in Minecraft's current state. I think I have the right to do that. I'm patient. I know that game will change. But that's what forums are for. To rant about things and talk about details with fellow gamers. It's really fun to stir things up.
Maybe, but then again the Mona Lisa might have looked like a Picasso painting instead, demented and distorted. Leonardo was about realism during the renaissance.
Herobrine exists because we let him exist.
I believe in what I'm saying. Respawning doesnt punish the player for dieing per say. Simply respawning leaves no consequence for death. However, how you respawn or in what state may be where you fail. Losing all your items in lava is an epic fail... especially if they are rare.
You see, there are consequences in the game of survival... are there not? And in the end it's win or lose even if you think respawning is a win.. and it may be a cheap win for that matter, degrading the whole meaning of survival. So maybe you just proved my point even further.
Again, there is no consequence to pure and free creativity, only self expression.
Yes, you can create in survival... and you get pleasure out of fighting the elements. But you have to play by a certain set of rules that restrict you and obstruct full creativity. I don't really think you get it. I think most people that get caught up in the normal grind of minecraft don't get it either. And so, the disagreement continues... respectfully.
Herobrine exists because we let him exist.
My point is simple. Creativity with restriction isn't full creativity. Creativity falls short when there are limits to express yourself. Again, I don't believe any historical creator/inventor would purposely obstruct there self from reaching their goal ASAP. It doesn't make sense.
Herobrine exists because we let him exist.
You're the one using contradictory statements to start a thread whose sole product is going to be argument centered around you. You are merely stirring the pot because you want to play on creative and not survival. Not a single person is going to sympathize with you because you are so pants-on-head retarded that you'd rather waste time on the forums that you could spend either a) getting the PC version, or
From what I've seen, your only claim is that you can't be creative because survival doesn't let you fly, doesn't give you unlimited resources, and doesn't make you invincible. Get sarcastic with me all you want, but you are clearly not the source of any intelligence here.