EDIT: Please try to read all the arguments in this thread before posting your thoughts as the conversation has evolved over time. Thank you.
Surivial by definition in Minecraft is overrated, in my humble opinion.
What is survival? Survival is the struggle to remain alive and living.
How can this be achieved in Minecraft?
One only needs to dig 3 blocks in the ground and place the 3rd block on top and sit there to survive. Sounds boring if survival is what you're really talking about. Not much too it. Very simplistic. No need to over complicate it. By definition... not dieing is survival. You could sleep in a bed to avoid enemies at night. You could even go as far as playing on Peaceful mode, but is that surviving? Did you live? Ask yourself that question.
Despite what I say... There is no wrong way to play Minecraft.. with or without glitches... whatever they may be.
THE DEVELOPERS DISAGREE. I say there is no wrong way to play minecraft because the pro-survivalist say that we must play the game competitivly because that's what the developers chose the game to be even though it is a creative game. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE DUP GLITCH FOR THE PURITY OF CREATIVITY!
I'm not simply bashing the way survivalists play minecraft. I only challenge the definition of survival and apply it to the game. Survivalists brag that they accomplish more when all they do are limiting themselves. I don't feel it's really something to brag about. I've come to find that survival and creation contridict each other.
Survival is bound to circumstance: To live or to die. It is parallel to certain guildlines that must be followed in order to succeed. Creativity is free, boundless, with no guildlines. To create while in survival is to create with those guildlines in place and to be restricted to being fully creative. One can argue that it is possible to be creative in survival. But fully creative? Not possible. Not with restrictions, guildlines, and boundaries. Survival is bound by laws such as gravity. Creativity is an endless expression upon an opinion that defies logic. Creativity shouldn't be confussed with invention for a purpose, being efficient, or ingenuity.
We creatives shall branch our minds to the ends of our worlds... while you continue to limit yourselves.
Yeah! We can take control of the entire world! Heil Hitler!
Get over the fact that you can't imagine... and go dig your holes.
Yeah! Playing Creative Mode gives you an imagination automatically, and vice versa with Survival Mode!
One only needs to dig 3 blocks in the ground and place the 3rd block on top and sit there to survive. Sounds boring if survival is what you're really talking about. Not much too it. Very simplistic. No need to over complicate it.
Yeah! Every single game of Survival Mode in the world is just digging a 3-block deep dirt hole!
There is no wrong way to play Minecraft.
Yeah! Let people play whatever game mode they want to! Wait...
Ok, ok. Now I shall be serious.
You constantly state that a "Creative Mode"(duplication glitch) is only for people with an imagination. If you have ever played Survival Mode, you have no vivid mind whatsoever. Is that right?
Playing this "forbidden" game type, according to you, is burning out all of the world's resources by standing in a hole. I can build whatever I want to in the game variant, but apparently my creativity is limited.
You say it is wrong to see the game as a competition, but a canvas, like you see it. However, you immediately state afterwards,"There is no wrong way to play Minecraft."
If I play the default mode, I cannot create anything I can imagine, despite how much effort I put into it. Oh yes, I am so jealous you spent all day bragging about your 5x5 Diamond structure that you cheated up. My 205x90x35 city of Stone made legitimately is so inferior to it!
My survival world is my creative world but I don't dupe anything. I have a world where I'm digging a 31x31 circle from surface to bedrock. It doesn't require that I use duping, or creative mode, as you call it.
You don't need duping, aka creative mode, to be creative. some people can do both survival and creative at the same time.
I agree with you in some aspects... Survival should be a little bit more complex other then just harder to kill enemies.
It's going to be. Have you seen the PC version? You have to worry about hunger points and stuff.
EDIT: Also, what more do you want to Survival? I mean, seriously, what else is there other than hunger to be added? You have enemies that threaten your life. Do you want to have to worry about having to take a dump and pay bills or something? Seriously, you people are overly demanding for Jeb to keep up and code everything. I'm sure that if he DID listen to you and add even more crap to Survival, it wouldn't be Survival, it would be Life In Minecraft. Shut the frick up and play the game. If you don't enjoy it, then find another game.
Pepsolman: Dude, shut up. I like Creative Mode more than Survival, but no one cares. You're telling 'Survivalists' to "Get off you 'Creativists' backs", but then you're criticizing Survival. You're being a hypocrite and no one wants to hear your crap. Just play the game and enjoy it for what it is.
It's going to be. Have you seen the PC version? You have to worry about hunger points and stuff.
EDIT: Also, what more do you want to Survival? I mean, seriously, what else is there other than hunger to be added? You have enemies that threaten your life. Do you want to have to worry about having to take a dump and pay bills or something? Seriously, you people are overly demanding for Jeb to keep up and code everything. I'm sure that if he DID listen to you and add even more crap to Survival, it wouldn't be Survival, it would be Life In Minecraft. Shut the frick up and play the game. If you don't enjoy it, then find another game.
Pepsolman: Dude, shut up. I like Creative Mode more than Survival, but no one cares. You're telling 'Survivalists' to "Get off you 'Creativists' backs", but then you're criticizing Survival. You're being a hypocrite and no one wants to hear your crap. Just play the game and enjoy it for what it is.
I have always found this mentality funny. He is getting mad at people who insult or attack him for his way of playing yet he turns around and does the same thing. Makes no sense.
I have always found this mentality funny. He is getting mad at people who insult or attack him for his way of playing yet he turns around and does the same thing. Makes no sense.
Yeah, I can't tell if hope in humanity is lost and people are pure douche bags, or if he was just "caught up in the moment" and said all of this bull crap out of anger and spite.
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Yeah, I can't tell if hope in humanity is lost and people are pure douche bags, or if he was just "caught up in the moment" and said all of this bull crap out of anger and spite.
I'm going to guess it's out of anger and spite. He can see people getting upity about the way he plays the game, so he decided to do that same back. Except in his anger he formed a very poor arguement in his favor.
One only needs to dig 3 blocks in the ground and place the 3rd block on top and sit there to survive. Sounds boring if survival is what you're really talking about. Not much too it. Very simplistic. No need to over complicate it.
Creative goes beyond symplisity. When you are asked to push beyong the limits and create the most epic thing that your mind can imagine, that is true artistry. Building to the sky... digging to bedrock; that is the true limit to creative mode. Why is there such a need to limit creativity?
In the end I believe jealousy plays a big part in those that are against creative actions in the game, by what ever means necessary. They see the game merely as a competition and not as an empty canvas.
There is no wrong way to play Minecraft.
Survivalist, get off the creatives' case! Get over the fact that you can't imagine... and go dig your holes.
We creatives shall branch our minds to the ends of our worlds... while you continue to limit yourselves.
I can build as well, if not BETTER than you can WITHOUT duping and creative mode. Cry about it.
Obviously I have you all using your heads. Mission accomplished.
Think a little simpler though.
You state that survival is the way that the game is suppose to be played right now, due to the developers choice, not the players choice. Why? Challenge? Why am I forced to play a creactive game with a survivalist goal and get bashed for choosing otherwise?
Again... to simply survive... dig a hole in the groung.
I'm going to guess it's out of anger and spite. He can see people getting upity about the way he plays the game, so he decided to do that same back. Except in his anger he formed a very poor arguement in his favor.
Yes I am a little angry and I'm trying to get you to see something. There are more survival types bashing than there are creatives bashing. I'm bashing back a little.
Yeah! We can take control of the entire world! Heil Hitler!
Yeah! Playing Creative Mode gives you an imagination automatically, and vice versa with Survival Mode!
Yeah! Every single game of Survival Mode in the world is just digging a 3-block deep dirt hole!
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Yeah! Let people play whatever game mode they want to! Wait...
Ok, ok. Now I shall be serious.
You constantly state that a "Creative Mode"(duplication glitch) is only for people with an imagination. If you have ever played Survival Mode, you have no vivid mind whatsoever. Is that right?
Playing this "forbidden" game type, according to you, is burning out all of the world's resources by standing in a hole. I can build whatever I want to in the game variant, but apparently my creativity is limited.
You say it is wrong to see the game as a competition, but a canvas, like you see it. However, you immediately state afterwards,"There is no wrong way to play Minecraft."
If I play the default mode, I cannot create anything I can imagine, despite how much effort I put into it. Oh yes, I am so jealous you spent all day bragging about your 5x5 Diamond structure that you cheated up. My 205x90x35 city of Stone made legitimately is so inferior to it!
I never said anything about the Dup Glitch, I side with creatives due to all the bashing coming from the pro-survival camps. I never said anything about cheating to be creative either.
So you're automatically entitled to insult and bash these survivalists, why? Because they look down on your way of playing? I don't agree with how they go about with their arguments, but do you think you're really any better for choosing the same route?
You could have simply taken a high-road on this issue and simply ignored anyone who accused you(or the Creativists) of being less of a fan or player by choosing to use a glitch so you could enjoy the game. This back and forth gets us nowhere and we read the same arguments over and over. I hope some time BEFORE creative comes out that these ridiculous pissing contests end.
I do want to thank you, however, for not seeming like you think you have some "god-given" right as a human being to abuse a glitch.
Im just trying to figure out when they said survival is the only way to play the game. Last time I checked there is both a creative mode, and a survival mode. I think people are bashing at you because you are being hypocritical. Personally I will still play survival because to me it is more fun. You can hate me for it because honestly I don't value your opinion. PS. I don't have anything against creative mode.
Yeah... I could build a 5x5 cobblestone cube no problem. Yeah. Right. Open up your mind man. Think bigger. More challenge.
Why? I am satusfied with what I build. You are telling me how to play the game again.
I've built lighthouses, castles, underwater cities, villages, and more. I didn't need a creative mode. I can be creative without the Creative more or the duping glitch, it just takes more effort. I don't see why you think those that chose to play survival can't be creative at the same time. Just because we don't use a glitch to fund our builds doesn't mean they are any less impressive, time consuming, artistic or creative.
Lowering yourself to everyone elses level and bashing the bashers renders your entire arguement moot in my opinion.
Obviously I have you all using your heads. Mission accomplished. Think a little simpler though. You state that survival is the way that the game is suppose to be played right now, due to the developers choice, not the players choice. Why? Challenge? Why am I forced to play a creactive game with a survivalist goal and get bashed for choosing otherwise? Again... to simply survive... dig a hole in the groung. To create.... your choices SHOULD be limitless.
How is it so challenging of a survivalist goal? According to you, all you have to do is dig a hole in the ground. Also, you didn't have to buy this game. That is the simplest solution to your problems. To create...your choices are virtually limitless.
Did I state that I MUST DUP? No. Your point is moot.
You stated that everyone who did not use Creative Mode yet has no imagination...
How bout you step on the other side then. These "hardcore survivalist" easily bash the creatives without any effort. Yes I am a little angry and I'm trying to get you to see something. There are more survival types bashing than there are creatives bashing. I'm bashing back a little.
The "hardcore survivalist" community must be a minority, for I see them scarcely.
Yeah... I could build a 5x5 cobblestone cube no problem. Yeah. Right. Open up your mind man. Think bigger. More challenge.
There is more to that in Survival Mode building. The aforementioned city of Stone I built, for example.
never said anything about the Dup Glitch, I side with creatives due to all the bashing coming from the pro-survival camps. I never said anything about cheating to be creative either.
You did never say anything about the duplication glitch, that I agree. You also did not say using the bug made you creative. However, you did say this:
In the end I believe jealousy plays a big part in those that are against creative actions in the game, by what ever means necessary.
Yes, I am totally jealous of that guy who just made a small Diamond house in Creative Mode. It is so much better than my giant Stone city that spent more hours than I would want counting to make it!
They see the game merely as a competition and not as an empty canvas.
Yes, you think this is bad to think like that. They are completely playing the wrong way.
There is no wrong way to play Minecraft.
Wait, what? That is true, but it is quite a contradiction to your previous statement. How will you respond to this?
Survivalist, get off the creatives' case! Get over the fact that you can't imagine... and go dig your holes.
Because I play Survival Mode, I apparently have no imagination! Hurray! I can talk all day about this in my dirt hole, since NO person of that game type can build anything else, nor can they have creativity!
We creatives shall branch our minds to the ends of our worlds... while you continue to limit yourselves.
Yeah. You have an everlasting Stone supply, while Survival players only have millions. We are SO LIMITED!! You are so much better than me in life!
How is it so challenging of a survivalist goal? According to you, all you have to do is dig a hole in the ground. Also, you didn't have to buy this game. That is the simplest solution to your problems. To create...your choices are virtually limitless.
You stated that everyone who did not use Creative Mode yet has no imagination...
The "hardcore survivalist" community must be a minority, for I see them scarcely.
There is more to that in Survival Mode building. The aforementioned city of Stone I built, for example.
You did never say anything about the duplication glitch, that I agree. You also did not say using the bug made you creative. However, you did say this:
Yes, I am totally jealous of that guy who just made a small Diamond house in Creative Mode. It is so much better than my giant Stone city that spent more hours than I would want counting to make it!
Yes, you think this is bad to think like that. They are completely playing the wrong way.
Wait, what? That is true, but it is quite a contradiction to your previous statement. How will you respond to this?
Because I play Survival Mode, I apparently have no imagination! Hurray! I can talk all day about this in my dirt hole, since NO person of that game type can build anything else, nor can they have creativity!
Yeah. You have an everlasting Stone supply, while Survival players only have millions. We are SO LIMITED!! You are so much better than me in life!
I say there is no wrong way to play minecraft because the pro-survivalist say that we must play the game competitivly becomes that's what the developers chose the game to be even though it is a creative game.Original post was edited so read again before bashing me. Thanks.
I say there is no wrong way to play minecraft because the pro-survivalist say that we must play the game competitivly becomes that's what the developers chose the game to beeven though it is a creative game.
I make a response of over 20 sentences. You respond with one poorly-written run-on... :I
Joking, joking...
OT: I highlighted your controversy in bold. With all these ways to play, this is technically a sandbox game. You can play competitively, creatively, and so on. Also, you incorrectly stated that the developers chose the game to be competitive, but then you said it was made to be creative. Those discrepancies combined was not what I expected.
I expected that you would actually discuss at least ONE other sentence out of the 20. So many points were covered, and I thought you would talk back with either agreement or disagreement to them in legible paragraphs. Are you trying to "get my head going" again?
EDIT: Thank you for changing the Op into a more informative post with a certain audience for that specific mantra.
Surivial by definition in Minecraft is overrated, in my humble opinion.
What is survival? Survival is the struggle to remain alive and living.
How can this be achieved in Minecraft?
One only needs to dig 3 blocks in the ground and place the 3rd block on top and sit there to survive. Sounds boring if survival is what you're really talking about. Not much too it. Very simplistic. No need to over complicate it. By definition... not dieing is survival. You could sleep in a bed to avoid enemies at night. You could even go as far as playing on Peaceful mode, but is that surviving? Did you live? Ask yourself that question.
Despite what I say... There is no wrong way to play Minecraft.. with or without glitches... whatever they may be.
THE DEVELOPERS DISAGREE. I say there is no wrong way to play minecraft because the pro-survivalist say that we must play the game competitivly because that's what the developers chose the game to be even though it is a creative game. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE DUP GLITCH FOR THE PURITY OF CREATIVITY!
I'm not simply bashing the way survivalists play minecraft. I only challenge the definition of survival and apply it to the game. Survivalists brag that they accomplish more when all they do are limiting themselves. I don't feel it's really something to brag about.
I've come to find that survival and creation contridict each other.
Survival is bound to circumstance: To live or to die. It is parallel to certain guildlines that must be followed in order to succeed. Creativity is free, boundless, with no guildlines. To create while in survival is to create with those guildlines in place and to be restricted to being fully creative. One can argue that it is possible to be creative in survival. But fully creative? Not possible. Not with restrictions, guildlines, and boundaries. Survival is bound by laws such as gravity. Creativity is an endless expression upon an opinion that defies logic. Creativity shouldn't be confussed with invention for a purpose, being efficient, or ingenuity.
Herobrine exists because we let him exist.
Yeah! We can take control of the entire world! Heil Hitler!
Yeah! Playing Creative Mode gives you an imagination automatically, and vice versa with Survival Mode!
Yeah! Every single game of Survival Mode in the world is just digging a 3-block deep dirt hole!
Yeah! Let people play whatever game mode they want to! Wait...
Ok, ok. Now I shall be serious.
You constantly state that a "Creative Mode"(duplication glitch) is only for people with an imagination. If you have ever played Survival Mode, you have no vivid mind whatsoever. Is that right?
Playing this "forbidden" game type, according to you, is burning out all of the world's resources by standing in a hole. I can build whatever I want to in the game variant, but apparently my creativity is limited.
You say it is wrong to see the game as a competition, but a canvas, like you see it. However, you immediately state afterwards,"There is no wrong way to play Minecraft."
If I play the default mode, I cannot create anything I can imagine, despite how much effort I put into it. Oh yes, I am so jealous you spent all day bragging about your 5x5 Diamond structure that you cheated up. My 205x90x35 city of Stone made legitimately is so inferior to it!
My survival world is my creative world but I don't dupe anything. I have a world where I'm digging a 31x31 circle from surface to bedrock. It doesn't require that I use duping, or creative mode, as you call it.
You don't need duping, aka creative mode, to be creative. some people can do both survival and creative at the same time.
It's going to be. Have you seen the PC version? You have to worry about hunger points and stuff.
EDIT: Also, what more do you want to Survival? I mean, seriously, what else is there other than hunger to be added? You have enemies that threaten your life. Do you want to have to worry about having to take a dump and pay bills or something? Seriously, you people are overly demanding for Jeb to keep up and code everything. I'm sure that if he DID listen to you and add even more crap to Survival, it wouldn't be Survival, it would be Life In Minecraft. Shut the frick up and play the game. If you don't enjoy it, then find another game.
Pepsolman: Dude, shut up. I like Creative Mode more than Survival, but no one cares. You're telling 'Survivalists' to "Get off you 'Creativists' backs", but then you're criticizing Survival. You're being a hypocrite and no one wants to hear your crap. Just play the game and enjoy it for what it is.
Touche, lol.
I can build as well, if not BETTER than you can WITHOUT duping and creative mode. Cry about it.
/troll
Think a little simpler though.
You state that survival is the way that the game is suppose to be played right now, due to the developers choice, not the players choice. Why? Challenge? Why am I forced to play a creactive game with a survivalist goal and get bashed for choosing otherwise?
Again... to simply survive... dig a hole in the groung.
To create.... your choices SHOULD be limitless.
Did I state that I MUST DUP? No. Your point is moot.
How bout you step on the other side then. These "hardcore survivalist" easily bash the creatives without any effort.
Yes I am a little angry and I'm trying to get you to see something. There are more survival types bashing than there are creatives bashing. I'm bashing back a little.
Yeah... I could build a 5x5 cobblestone cube no problem. Yeah. Right. Open up your mind man. Think bigger. More challenge.
I never said anything about the Dup Glitch, I side with creatives due to all the bashing coming from the pro-survival camps. I never said anything about cheating to be creative either.
That's why I ask, what's the point for having a peaceful mode if we are suppose to survive anyways?
Herobrine exists because we let him exist.
You could have simply taken a high-road on this issue and simply ignored anyone who accused you(or the Creativists) of being less of a fan or player by choosing to use a glitch so you could enjoy the game. This back and forth gets us nowhere and we read the same arguments over and over. I hope some time BEFORE creative comes out that these ridiculous pissing contests end.
I do want to thank you, however, for not seeming like you think you have some "god-given" right as a human being to abuse a glitch.
I've built lighthouses, castles, underwater cities, villages, and more. I didn't need a creative mode. I can be creative without the Creative more or the duping glitch, it just takes more effort. I don't see why you think those that chose to play survival can't be creative at the same time. Just because we don't use a glitch to fund our builds doesn't mean they are any less impressive, time consuming, artistic or creative.
Lowering yourself to everyone elses level and bashing the bashers renders your entire arguement moot in my opinion.
How is it so challenging of a survivalist goal? According to you, all you have to do is dig a hole in the ground. Also, you didn't have to buy this game. That is the simplest solution to your problems. To create...your choices are virtually limitless.
You stated that everyone who did not use Creative Mode yet has no imagination...
The "hardcore survivalist" community must be a minority, for I see them scarcely.
There is more to that in Survival Mode building. The aforementioned city of Stone I built, for example.
You did never say anything about the duplication glitch, that I agree. You also did not say using the bug made you creative. However, you did say this:
Yes, I am totally jealous of that guy who just made a small Diamond house in Creative Mode. It is so much better than my giant Stone city that spent more hours than I would want counting to make it!
Yes, you think this is bad to think like that. They are completely playing the wrong way.
Wait, what? That is true, but it is quite a contradiction to your previous statement. How will you respond to this?
Because I play Survival Mode, I apparently have no imagination! Hurray! I can talk all day about this in my dirt hole, since NO person of that game type can build anything else, nor can they have creativity!
Yeah. You have an everlasting Stone supply, while Survival players only have millions. We are SO LIMITED!! You are so much better than me in life!
I say there is no wrong way to play minecraft because the pro-survivalist say that we must play the game competitivly becomes that's what the developers chose the game to be even though it is a creative game.Original post was edited so read again before bashing me. Thanks.
Herobrine exists because we let him exist.
I make a response of over 20 sentences. You respond with one poorly-written run-on... :I
Joking, joking...
OT: I highlighted your controversy in bold. With all these ways to play, this is technically a sandbox game. You can play competitively, creatively, and so on. Also, you incorrectly stated that the developers chose the game to be competitive, but then you said it was made to be creative. Those discrepancies combined was not what I expected.
I expected that you would actually discuss at least ONE other sentence out of the 20. So many points were covered, and I thought you would talk back with either agreement or disagreement to them in legible paragraphs. Are you trying to "get my head going" again?
EDIT: Thank you for changing the Op into a more informative post with a certain audience for that specific mantra.