Obsidian is immovable by anything except a Diamond Pickaxe. Well, you can also break it with anything else, but it will cease to exist instead of dropping.
My understanding is that in order to break obsidian with a tool other than a diamond pickaxe, you need to apply a force sustained over a long, long, long period of time (4 min 10 sec according to the Wiki)... whittling down the huge resistance of the block itself. When this is done, a drop does not appear. If you stop mining, even for an instant, the block returns to full "health/resistance" and you have to start all over from scratch.
However, TNT does not provide a sustained force, but rather it only delivers a quick one-shot blast. The effectiveness of that blast is also reduced the farther the TNT block is from the target block (as demonstrated by the fact that the player is unaffected by a TNT blast IF they are standing far enough away from it). The Wiki indicates that the blast distance in air is 7 blocks and that this is the farthest the force of the blast will travel. Therefore, I don't think it is possible to break an obsidian block with TNT, since you cannot pile enough TNT close enough to the block to deliver a breaking force in one instant of time.
While I'm sure the OP appreciates all the responders time and thought, I can't help but wonder why the OP didn't make a temp creative world and answer this simple question himself in just a few seconds.
While I'm sure the OP appreciates all the responders time and thought, I can't help but wonder why the OP didn't make a temp creative world and answer this simple question himself in just a few seconds.
Out of curiosity, I just did that. I surrounded an obsidian block with TNT 5 blocks in every direction (since the blast from the outer blocks would be travelling through TNT and not air) and the obsidian block withstood the blast... I could go back and go to 7 blocks in every direction, but I don't think it would make any difference.
Out of curiosity, I just did that. I surrounded an obsidian block with TNT 5 blocks in every direction (since the blast from the outer blocks would be travelling through TNT and not air) and the obsidian block withstood the blast... I could go back and go to 7 blocks in every direction, but I don't think it would make any difference.
It shouldn't, each explosion from the TNT is supposed to be handled as separate damage, not cumulative... so, it shouldn't matter if you could manage to get 1000 TNT blocks to explode at the same point, the game would only check to see if each of them was capable of breaking the obsidian (not all at once). Of course, this could change if something like the following suggestion were ever implemented:
It shouldn't, each explosion from the TNT is supposed to be handled as separate damage, not cumulative... so, it shouldn't matter if you could manage to get 1000 TNT blocks to explode at the same point, the game would only check to see if each of them was capable of breaking the obsidian (not all at once). Of course, this could change if something like the following suggestion were ever implemented:
I suspected as much, but just had to check it out to be sure. I did also test out breaking obsidian by hand... it did indeed take about 4 minutes to break it... so things are not set up any differently on the Xbox than the PC in this respect.
My understanding is that in order to break obsidian with a tool other than a diamond pickaxe, you need to apply a force sustained over a long, long, long period of time (4 min 10 sec according to the Wiki)... whittling down the huge resistance of the block itself. When this is done, a drop does not appear. If you stop mining, even for an instant, the block returns to full "health/resistance" and you have to start all over from scratch.
However, TNT does not provide a sustained force, but rather it only delivers a quick one-shot blast. The effectiveness of that blast is also reduced the farther the TNT block is from the target block (as demonstrated by the fact that the player is unaffected by a TNT blast IF they are standing far enough away from it). The Wiki indicates that the blast distance in air is 7 blocks and that this is the farthest the force of the blast will travel. Therefore, I don't think it is possible to break an obsidian block with TNT, since you cannot pile enough TNT close enough to the block to deliver a breaking force in one instant of time.
Just about all of you are on the right track. But I have one thing to add about the quoted post here... (I did a lot of research on this subject and posted a super- long reply back on the first page of this subject, so I'd like to think I pretty much know what I'm talking about... You can check out that post if you want- it already has most of this other information...)
The way a block is mined is as follows: You slowly wear away a block's durability with whatever tool you're using at a rate dependent on the tool type, and once your tool's amount of "block damage" given has exceeded the durability of the block, the block is mined. The amount of time it takes can be thought of as: Time = Block_Durability/Block_Damage_Per_Tick ... Each tool (including your fists) has a set ratio of how much damage it imparts upon the block each tick. If you stop mining a block in the middle, the durability is not instantly reset, because you actually aren't changing any of the block's data values (which would cause a chunk update any time you simply tapped a block). ---Meaning all it does is cancel the action you were doing, since the computer is actually just calculating how long it will take for your action to be completed if you continue, and then it displays a different block texture as you slowly come closer to mining the block. Thus, multiple players mining the same block do not make it mine twice as fast, and multiple explosions (multiple "actions" trying to mine the block) don't combine into a super- powerful mining force... ...And also why you can't come back to a half- mined block to continue mining it, though the idea of "GRADUALLY HEALING" and damage- saving blocks would be pretty cool, though perhaps annoying.
The same goes for blast resistance. The blast resistance is just a number saying how much damage an explosion of a certain force will do to a block of this type. The blast resistance is not changed, or "whittled down." It simply decreases the damage dealt to blocks by explosions, the higher the blast resistance is.
But, you actually CAN break obsidian with Tnt IF you use cheats/hacks. Otherwise, it's impossible, since no one Tnt has an Explosion Power great enough to break it. Having one Tnt block would be no different than 10,000 exploding all in the same spot. Without editing the PrimedTnt entity NBT data, it isn't possible to blow up obsidian. (Or at least, it shouldn't be possible, in theory. Some people apparently claim differently...)
As for other methods of blowing up obsidian... The only ones that would work still involve cheats/hacks. The most powerful explosion attainable in- game is brought about by summoning a WitherBoss. That is still nowhere near powerful enough to break obsidian. An explosion power of WELL over 200 is required.
Hope this helps! :)Oh- Should have mentioned...
Summoning a Wither is an explosion power of 7.
Check the wiki or my other post (on previous page here) to understand about explosion power, blast resistance, and the super- complicated technical stuff about that...
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But, you actually CAN break obsidian with Tnt IF you use cheats/hacks. Otherwise, it's impossible, since no one Tnt has an Explosion Power great enough to break it. Having one Tnt block would be no different than 10,000 exploding all in the same spot. Without editing the PrimedTnt entity NBT data, it isn't possible to blow up obsidian. (Or at least, it shouldn't be possible, in theory. Some people apparently claim differently...)
As for other methods of blowing up obsidian... The only ones that would work still involve cheats/hacks. The most powerful explosion attainable in- game is brought about by summoning a WitherBoss. That is still nowhere near powerful enough to break obsidian. An explosion power of WELL over 200 is required.
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And since players are not supposed to MOD the XB360... cheats/hacks are effectively not allowed... so pretty much, there's no way to do it in game without violating the EULA/TOS despite what was said before:
Just about all of you are on the right track. But I have one thing to add about the quoted post here... (I did a lot of research on this subject and posted a super- long reply back on the first page of this subject, so I'd like to think I pretty much know what I'm talking about... You can check out that post if you want- it already has most of this other information...)
The way a block is mined is as follows: You slowly wear away a block's durability with whatever tool you're using at a rate dependent on the tool type, and once your tool's amount of "block damage" given has exceeded the durability of the block, the block is mined. The amount of time it takes can be thought of as: Time = Block_Durability/Block_Damage_Per_Tick ... Each tool (including your fists) has a set ratio of how much damage it imparts upon the block each tick. If you stop mining a block in the middle, the durability is not instantly reset, because you actually aren't changing any of the block's data values (which would cause a chunk update any time you simply tapped a block). ---Meaning all it does is cancel the action you were doing, since the computer is actually just calculating how long it will take for your action to be completed if you continue, and then it displays a different block texture as you slowly come closer to mining the block. Thus, multiple players mining the same block do not make it mine twice as fast, and multiple explosions (multiple "actions" trying to mine the block) don't combine into a super- powerful mining force... ...And also why you can't come back to a half- mined block to continue mining it, though the idea of "GRADUALLY HEALING" and damage- saving blocks would be pretty cool, though perhaps annoying.
The same goes for blast resistance. The blast resistance is just a number saying how much damage an explosion of a certain force will do to a block of this type. The blast resistance is not changed, or "whittled down." It simply decreases the damage dealt to blocks by explosions, the higher the blast resistance is.
But, you actually CAN break obsidian with Tnt IF you use cheats/hacks. Otherwise, it's impossible, since no one Tnt has an Explosion Power great enough to break it. Having one Tnt block would be no different than 10,000 exploding all in the same spot. Without editing the PrimedTnt entity NBT data, it isn't possible to blow up obsidian. (Or at least, it shouldn't be possible, in theory. Some people apparently claim differently...)
As for other methods of blowing up obsidian... The only ones that would work still involve cheats/hacks. The most powerful explosion attainable in- game is brought about by summoning a WitherBoss. That is still nowhere near powerful enough to break obsidian. An explosion power of WELL over 200 is required.
Hope this helps!
Oh- Should have mentioned...
Summoning a Wither is an explosion power of 7.
Check the wiki or my other post (on previous page here) to understand about explosion power, blast resistance, and the super- complicated technical stuff about that...
Per the Wiki on the page on Obsidian... It implies that, if you're using the wrong tool to mine a block, the game just uses a set multiplier of the time it takes to mine the block with the correct tool... which means that it would take the 4 min 10 sec time to mine a block with obsidian whether or not you use your hand or an iron pickaxe since both are the wrong tool.
What I was double checking was blast radius, not blast resistance. Although the Wiki states that TNT has a blast radius of up to 7 blocks, unless more than one block of TNT can act on a block simultaneously, this really has no meaning since (according to you and Greg) the impact of the blast on the target block is fixed to the same as if only one block of TNT were used. Cheats do not legitimately apply to the Xbox (so my post does not include any that might be used by others).
While I'm sure the OP appreciates all the responders time and thought, I can't help but wonder why the OP didn't make a temp creative world and answer this simple question himself in just a few seconds.
When the OP asked the question.There was no thing as "creative"
Ah, sorry, just now noticed this was a 2 year tread that Ethan revived. (Sheesh, I hate it when people bump an old thread).
No, it didn't have to be in creative, the OP could've done a test himself in survival.
Ah, sorry, just now noticed this was a 2 year tread that Ethan revived. (Sheesh, I hate it when people bump an old thread).
Heh, heh... Whoops. I was doing some research on the subject, and I came across this post, which seemed to leave off inconclusively, with no clear answers on the subject. I didn't realize that trying to help clear things up a bit would attract so much attention! Anyways, as established before, I apparently didn't notice that not only was this thread for Xbox, but it was pretty old... My bad. At least we're finally answering age- old questions and learning things though, right?
Per the Wiki on the page on Obsidian... It implies that, if you're using the wrong tool to mine a block, the game just uses a set multiplier of the time it takes to mine the block with the correct tool... which means that it would take the 4 min 10 sec time to mine a block with obsidian whether or not you use your hand or an iron pickaxe since both are the wrong tool.
What I was double checking was blast radius, not blast resistance...
Ah, yes. You're right about the time intervals. I think the amount of damage imparted by each tool type can vary based on the type of block. Clearly, SOME things must vary between mining with different tools, since if it was only a matter of wearing the block's durability down, then you could mine any block with your fist and collect drops. There's probably some hierarchy of items in the code that dictates this. (That's just a guess, I haven't researched this, yet.)
And yes, I realized you were talking about Blast radius in your second paragraph. I was mainly talking about your first, though, where you mentioned "Block health/blast resistance" being "whittled down," which I don't believe is the case. Your stuff about the blast radius was spot on, though.
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Heh, heh... Whoops. I was doing some research on the subject, and I came across this post, which seemed to leave off inconclusively, with no clear answers on the subject. I didn't realize that trying to help clear things up a bit would attract so much attention! Anyways, as established before, I apparently didn't notice that not only was this thread for Xbox, but it was pretty old... My bad. At least we're finally answering age- old questions and learning things though, right?
Also-
Ah, yes. You're right about the time intervals. I think the amount of damage imparted by each tool type can vary based on the type of block. Clearly, SOME things must vary between mining with different tools, since if it was only a matter of wearing the block's durability down, then you could mine any block with your fist and collect drops. There's probably some hierarchy of items in the code that dictates this. (That's just a guess, I haven't researched this, yet.)
And yes, I realized you were talking about Blast radius in your second paragraph. I was mainly talking about your first, though, where you mentioned "Block health/blast resistance" being "whittled down," which I don't believe is the case. Your stuff about the blast radius was spot on, though.
That reference to "health/resistance" was intended more as a visual analogy rather than a precise statement about the math programmed into the game... i.e. refers to the "cracks" that appear in the block as you continue mining it. That animation still occurs as you mine obsidian with your hand; only the lines develop much more slowly than when you are using a diamond pickaxe.
PC/Xbox/PS: you need a blast power of 320. Of course in pc you can use mods but still
Pe; this is a lot harder, with my own supercharged TNT mod, the manor city of obsidian was broken at 600, and not achivible with less power.
Fyi, you cannot destroy obsidian, no matter how much tnt you use. Even if you put lots of tnt in one spot and have it explode at once, the power of the tnt does not add up, it acts individually. This means the obsidian absorbs the blast force of each individual tnt.
Now some servers have a plugin that allows you to stack tnt minecarts, and based on how many you stack, the explosion acts like it comes from a single entity. So I suppose THAT could destroy obsidian.
My understanding is that in order to break obsidian with a tool other than a diamond pickaxe, you need to apply a force sustained over a long, long, long period of time (4 min 10 sec according to the Wiki)... whittling down the huge resistance of the block itself. When this is done, a drop does not appear. If you stop mining, even for an instant, the block returns to full "health/resistance" and you have to start all over from scratch.
However, TNT does not provide a sustained force, but rather it only delivers a quick one-shot blast. The effectiveness of that blast is also reduced the farther the TNT block is from the target block (as demonstrated by the fact that the player is unaffected by a TNT blast IF they are standing far enough away from it). The Wiki indicates that the blast distance in air is 7 blocks and that this is the farthest the force of the blast will travel. Therefore, I don't think it is possible to break an obsidian block with TNT, since you cannot pile enough TNT close enough to the block to deliver a breaking force in one instant of time.
Out of curiosity, I just did that. I surrounded an obsidian block with TNT 5 blocks in every direction (since the blast from the outer blocks would be travelling through TNT and not air) and the obsidian block withstood the blast... I could go back and go to 7 blocks in every direction, but I don't think it would make any difference.
It shouldn't, each explosion from the TNT is supposed to be handled as separate damage, not cumulative... so, it shouldn't matter if you could manage to get 1000 TNT blocks to explode at the same point, the game would only check to see if each of them was capable of breaking the obsidian (not all at once). Of course, this could change if something like the following suggestion were ever implemented:
HAVE BLOCKS GRADUALLY UNBREAK
I suspected as much, but just had to check it out to be sure. I did also test out breaking obsidian by hand... it did indeed take about 4 minutes to break it... so things are not set up any differently on the Xbox than the PC in this respect.
Ooooooh, ooooh, I love secrets! Don't tell us, or it won't be a secret anymore.
Just about all of you are on the right track. But I have one thing to add about the quoted post here... (I did a lot of research on this subject and posted a super- long reply back on the first page of this subject, so I'd like to think I pretty much know what I'm talking about... You can check out that post if you want- it already has most of this other information...)
The way a block is mined is as follows: You slowly wear away a block's durability with whatever tool you're using at a rate dependent on the tool type, and once your tool's amount of "block damage" given has exceeded the durability of the block, the block is mined. The amount of time it takes can be thought of as: Time = Block_Durability/Block_Damage_Per_Tick ... Each tool (including your fists) has a set ratio of how much damage it imparts upon the block each tick. If you stop mining a block in the middle, the durability is not instantly reset, because you actually aren't changing any of the block's data values (which would cause a chunk update any time you simply tapped a block). ---Meaning all it does is cancel the action you were doing, since the computer is actually just calculating how long it will take for your action to be completed if you continue, and then it displays a different block texture as you slowly come closer to mining the block. Thus, multiple players mining the same block do not make it mine twice as fast, and multiple explosions (multiple "actions" trying to mine the block) don't combine into a super- powerful mining force... ...And also why you can't come back to a half- mined block to continue mining it, though the idea of "GRADUALLY HEALING" and damage- saving blocks would be pretty cool, though perhaps annoying.
The same goes for blast resistance. The blast resistance is just a number saying how much damage an explosion of a certain force will do to a block of this type. The blast resistance is not changed, or "whittled down." It simply decreases the damage dealt to blocks by explosions, the higher the blast resistance is.
But, you actually CAN break obsidian with Tnt IF you use cheats/hacks. Otherwise, it's impossible, since no one Tnt has an Explosion Power great enough to break it. Having one Tnt block would be no different than 10,000 exploding all in the same spot. Without editing the PrimedTnt entity NBT data, it isn't possible to blow up obsidian. (Or at least, it shouldn't be possible, in theory. Some people apparently claim differently...)
As for other methods of blowing up obsidian... The only ones that would work still involve cheats/hacks. The most powerful explosion attainable in- game is brought about by summoning a WitherBoss. That is still nowhere near powerful enough to break obsidian. An explosion power of WELL over 200 is required.
Hope this helps! :)Oh- Should have mentioned...
Summoning a Wither is an explosion power of 7.
Check the wiki or my other post (on previous page here) to understand about explosion power, blast resistance, and the super- complicated technical stuff about that...
Wisdom is the intelligence to apply your knowledge.
And since players are not supposed to MOD the XB360... cheats/hacks are effectively not allowed... so pretty much, there's no way to do it in game without violating the EULA/TOS despite what was said before:
Per the Wiki on the page on Obsidian... It implies that, if you're using the wrong tool to mine a block, the game just uses a set multiplier of the time it takes to mine the block with the correct tool... which means that it would take the 4 min 10 sec time to mine a block with obsidian whether or not you use your hand or an iron pickaxe since both are the wrong tool.
What I was double checking was blast radius, not blast resistance. Although the Wiki states that TNT has a blast radius of up to 7 blocks, unless more than one block of TNT can act on a block simultaneously, this really has no meaning since (according to you and Greg) the impact of the blast on the target block is fixed to the same as if only one block of TNT were used. Cheats do not legitimately apply to the Xbox (so my post does not include any that might be used by others).
When the OP asked the question.There was no thing as "creative"
No, it didn't have to be in creative, the OP could've done a test himself in survival.
Heh, heh... Whoops. I was doing some research on the subject, and I came across this post, which seemed to leave off inconclusively, with no clear answers on the subject. I didn't realize that trying to help clear things up a bit would attract so much attention! Anyways, as established before, I apparently didn't notice that not only was this thread for Xbox, but it was pretty old... My bad. At least we're finally answering age- old questions and learning things though, right?
Also-
Ah, yes. You're right about the time intervals. I think the amount of damage imparted by each tool type can vary based on the type of block. Clearly, SOME things must vary between mining with different tools, since if it was only a matter of wearing the block's durability down, then you could mine any block with your fist and collect drops. There's probably some hierarchy of items in the code that dictates this. (That's just a guess, I haven't researched this, yet.)
And yes, I realized you were talking about Blast radius in your second paragraph. I was mainly talking about your first, though, where you mentioned "Block health/blast resistance" being "whittled down," which I don't believe is the case. Your stuff about the blast radius was spot on, though.
Wisdom is the intelligence to apply your knowledge.
That reference to "health/resistance" was intended more as a visual analogy rather than a precise statement about the math programmed into the game... i.e. refers to the "cracks" that appear in the block as you continue mining it. That animation still occurs as you mine obsidian with your hand; only the lines develop much more slowly than when you are using a diamond pickaxe.
PC/Xbox/PS: you need a blast power of 320. Of course in pc you can use mods but still
Pe; this is a lot harder, with my own supercharged TNT mod, the manor city of obsidian was broken at 600, and not achivible with less power.
Now some servers have a plugin that allows you to stack tnt minecarts, and based on how many you stack, the explosion acts like it comes from a single entity. So I suppose THAT could destroy obsidian.
it can be blown up by tnt, but it is a 1_in_a_million shot.
1 in 10000 for charged creepers to blow it up
Thats not how blast resistance works. Under normal circumstances nothing will ever blown up obsidian.
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