I looked at a LG plasma tv manual before I posted. It warned of static image "ghosting". (It's a save bet all the tv manuals do, and we've all read and heed the manuals, right?).
It also has a couple of built-in options to lessen ghosting- one was shifting the image around a pixel or two every few minutes, the other was (if you do get burn-in) to "White Wash" the screen- turn it bright white for a few minutes to "reset" the pixels. Of course, these options may not be available on older plasmas.
Plasmas aren't "bad" tv's per se. You just can't play MC for hours on end in one sitting on them. Course, you probably shouldn't do that anyway no matter what tv you have.
You can also turn your TV brightness and cell light down a little. My plasma also has a pixel shift option which will shift the whole screen around by 1-4 pixels.
Exactly, if you calibrate your tv correctly you won't suffer from screen burnin, also enable the pixel shift feature of all TV's in the last 5 years, it's called Orbeter on my LG.
It move the image in a square rotation like this, right, up, left & down every 5mins or so, you do not notice it unless you are looking for it.
& yes I use.42inch LG plasma just over 2 years old used daily for gaming & never had burn in, I do get ghosting when turning the tv off, but that vanishes in 10secs.
Best TV I have owned, I did have an LCD before hand but it was so bad with ghosting due to crap refresh rates (120mhz minimum before ghosting vanishes) took it back & for £120 more I got the Plasma I have now & never looked back, only bad thing about my plasma is the slight buzz when all white is on the screen bar that nothing. (buzz when game is not noticeable if muted then you can hear it slightly)
Also people are confusing ghosting with burn-in, ghosting is temporary and burn-in is permanent. Ghosting does happen with Minecraft for me but after 10 minutes of watching something else it is gone.
Exactly. I have a seven year old plasma and have no issues with burn-in. Only ghosting with anything that displays a static image for long periods of time. It usually goes away in a couple of minutes.
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Are you saying there's an update for the PC version? I'll squirt a nice shiny gold brick out of my rectum if its true....out of excitement of course.....
My Samsung 50in plasma has game mode built in (and actually displays a 360 controller haha) which turns the contrast/brightness way down so burn isn't an issue. If you don't have the option it is always good to at least adjust the contrast down to avoid nasty burns.
Plasma TVs use much electricity, and generate a high amount of heat, so not the best for gaming unless you are bored and don't have any type of heating in your house.
Yeah he could have a plasma older than 2 years old the 2011 and 2012 model plasma may not have that issue. But I work at a Tv station we have about 30 screens in this room. None repeat none have ever been plasma
Surely this isn't true. With an LED screen, you can have pure black, because the individual pixels can actually can turn off, and they aren't back-lit like LCD. So how could plasma have the deepest black levels? Is there a black more black than pure black?
"I'm an outsider by choice, but not truly.
It’s the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out.
I’d rather be in, in a good system. That’s where my discontent comes from:
being forced to choose to stay outside.
My advice: Just keep movin’ straight ahead.
Every now and then you find yourself in a different place."
-George Carlin
Surely this isn't true. With an LED screen, you can have pure black, because the individual pixels can actually can turn off, and they aren't back-lit like LCD. So how could plasma have the deepest black levels? Is there a black more black than pure black?
"This is getting a lot closer, but plasmas still offer the best black levels. Yes, LED TVs can sometimes have an absolute black (by turning off their LEDs), but when you're watching a movie, plasmas are going to seem darker. This relates to contrast ratio."
43" LED: $449.99
42: LCD: #399.99
42: Plasma: 399.99
(From Best Buy website, each type sorted by price).
Nuff said....
Those are probably some low rent tvs. Being a bit more realistic, which means getting lcd/led with 240hz and better models that will compare to plasma:
Those are probably some low rent tvs. Being a bit more realistic, which means getting lcd/led with 240hz and better models that will compare to plasma:
40in range high level plasmas are like $600-$700
40in range high level lcds are like $1000
40in range high level leds are like $1500-$2000
What kind of tvs you looking at? I found 1080p 600Hz Plasmas that are 50in for that price you quoted for on 40in. For LCD/LEDs to hit that price I usually see those @ 50-80in.
Heck I have a 60in Mitsubishi DLP (1080p, 120Hz Sub-Frame Rate) that retails $1200 cause its 3D ready.
"This is getting a lot closer, but plasmas still offer the best black levels. Yes, LED TVs can sometimes have an absolute black (by turning off their LEDs), but when you're watching a movie, plasmas are going to seem darker. This relates to contrast ratio."
It doesn't back up that claim at all. It says that plasma has the best contrast ratio, while not backing it up at all, yet stating how LED TVs are brighter, and can turn pixels off.... which states there is some form of high contrast....
The article also says to newer technologies "these are the exceptions, not the rule." So there, plasma definitely has an advantage as many companies have stopped producing plasma TVs, and LED TVs are a relatively new product, so many companies have decided to join in on producing them.
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"I'm an outsider by choice, but not truly.
It’s the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out.
I’d rather be in, in a good system. That’s where my discontent comes from:
being forced to choose to stay outside.
My advice: Just keep movin’ straight ahead.
Every now and then you find yourself in a different place."
-George Carlin
What kind of tvs you looking at? I found 1080p 600Hz Plasmas that are 50in for that price you quoted for on 40in. For LCD/LEDs to hit that price I usually see those @ 50-80in.
Heck I have a 60in Mitsubishi DLP (1080p, 120Hz Sub-Frame Rate) that retails $1200 cause its 3D ready.
Those were prices from when I bought my tv. So now it appears you get 50in for those prices. Except LCD which doesn't seem popular in 240hz models. I wouldn't even consider them anymore. I'd be making these kinds of comparisons if I were considering getting a tv. Plasma is much cheaper for the quality, but if you got the bucks buy a comparable 240hz led. 240hz led brings in 3d, but I wouldn't buy something that didn't have 240hz for playing videogames. Cheaper tvs aren't even worth making these comparisons.
I will never understand the need for these high-end televisions it is no wonder the obesity rate is so high.(Yes, I know not everyone with a high-end television is obese but ...)
It doesn't back up that claim at all. It says that plasma has the best contrast ratio, while not backing it up at all, yet stating how LED TVs are brighter, and can turn pixels off.... which states there is some form of high contrast....
The article also says to newer technologies "these are the exceptions, not the rule." So there, plasma definitely has an advantage as many companies have stopped producing plasma TVs, and LED TVs are a relatively new product, so many companies have decided to join in on producing them.
So rest easy knowing an led can be absolute black by turning off a pixel, but in actuality that's irrelevant because contrast ratio matters more to what you see. I'll believe people who write for tech sites before random people on the internet.
I consider all of this moot as the only purpose of these arguments is that plasma is perfectly acceptable for gaming. The fact that people can sit here and argue degrees of blackness and degrees of color quality proves that.
If that doesn't work for people, I guess I'll have to give up and go back to my "unusable for gaming plasma" with its inky dark blacks and 600hz refresh rate. Woe is me.
We have added in a few features to the Bug fix Title Update
Added an Interface Opacity slider in the settings for plasma screen users.
Added an option in the settings menu to enable/disable tooltips
Don't know how difficult this would be. But from the perspective of freeing up as much screen real estate as possible, could the inventory bar be set to only appear when actually pressing the bumpers for inventory select? Then fade away after a couple seconds?
So rest easy knowing an led can be absolute black by turning off a pixel, but in actuality that's irrelevant because contrast ratio matters more to what you see. I'll believe people who write for tech sites before random people on the internet.
If that doesn't work for people, I guess I'll have to give up and go back to my "unusable for gaming plasma" with its inky dark blacks and 600hz refresh rate. Woe is me.
The person who wrote the article is a random person on the internet..... and they used the word "goodest"......
Is he even actually talking about true LED? There is a such thing; It isn't just LCD backlit with LEDs....
Why would you need a 600 Hz refresh rate? Can you even see that? Pretty sure you'd have to be a robot to see that.... Do you really gain any benefit from having that high of a refresh rate besides boasting on the internet about it?
"I'm an outsider by choice, but not truly.
It’s the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out.
I’d rather be in, in a good system. That’s where my discontent comes from:
being forced to choose to stay outside.
My advice: Just keep movin’ straight ahead.
Every now and then you find yourself in a different place."
-George Carlin
This is a must fix, never had issues with image burn-in with gaming till Minecraft. For some reason the white around the toolbar is killing my Plasma. It's slowly fading as I watch TV. Thanks for fixing 4J.
The person who wrote the article is a random person on the internet..... and they used the word "goodest"......
Is he even actually talking about true LED? There is a such thing; It isn't just LCD backlit with LEDs....
Why would you need a 600 Hz refresh rate? Can you even see that? Pretty sure you'd have to be a robot to see that.... Do you really gain any benefit from having that high of a refresh rate besides boasting on the internet about it?
LED TV's are just LCD's with LEDs as a light source, high end LED TV's will be OLED.
As for 600hz that means nothing its just a sales ploy.
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They are different things completely. They are different technologies. The 600Hz on Plasma is really more marketing to make it seem vastly better than LCD. But really the technology just works entirely differently.
Plasma has a near instantaneous response time, like 0.001ms. LCD's are at best like 2.4ms (but most are like 5ms or 8ms). They use the refresh rate to try and mask the motion blur that comes because of the slow response time. It helps "draw" the image more often by interpolating frames and reducing blur.
Plasma is flawless in motion playback. Its inherent to the technology. No extra features needed. Its better than LCD, even LED LCD (which from a motion standpoint is the same as CCFL LCD).
The Plasma 480Hz or 600Hz sub-field motion drive claims to give Plasma this better image for moving images. But again, inherent to the technology its near instantaneous already. Its like saying a CRT/tube set is 600Hz. Its an attempt to help win over confused consumers. It does take them down the right path, as Plasma is better, but it doesn't 'draw' or interpolate images like an LCD does.
It also has a couple of built-in options to lessen ghosting- one was shifting the image around a pixel or two every few minutes, the other was (if you do get burn-in) to "White Wash" the screen- turn it bright white for a few minutes to "reset" the pixels. Of course, these options may not be available on older plasmas.
Plasmas aren't "bad" tv's per se. You just can't play MC for hours on end in one sitting on them. Course, you probably shouldn't do that anyway no matter what tv you have.
Exactly, if you calibrate your tv correctly you won't suffer from screen burnin, also enable the pixel shift feature of all TV's in the last 5 years, it's called Orbeter on my LG.
It move the image in a square rotation like this, right, up, left & down every 5mins or so, you do not notice it unless you are looking for it.
& yes I use.42inch LG plasma just over 2 years old used daily for gaming & never had burn in, I do get ghosting when turning the tv off, but that vanishes in 10secs.
Best TV I have owned, I did have an LCD before hand but it was so bad with ghosting due to crap refresh rates (120mhz minimum before ghosting vanishes) took it back & for £120 more I got the Plasma I have now & never looked back, only bad thing about my plasma is the slight buzz when all white is on the screen bar that nothing. (buzz when game is not noticeable if muted then you can hear it slightly)
Exactly. I have a seven year old plasma and have no issues with burn-in. Only ghosting with anything that displays a static image for long periods of time. It usually goes away in a couple of minutes.
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Retired StaffLED backlit. The screen is still LCD. Not a true LED TV.
Surely this isn't true. With an LED screen, you can have pure black, because the individual pixels can actually can turn off, and they aren't back-lit like LCD. So how could plasma have the deepest black levels? Is there a black more black than pure black?
"I'm an outsider by choice, but not truly.
It’s the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out.
I’d rather be in, in a good system. That’s where my discontent comes from:
being forced to choose to stay outside.
My advice: Just keep movin’ straight ahead.
Every now and then you find yourself in a different place."
-George Carlin
Easier said than done.
LED/LCD TV's will cost a LOT more than you will get from a plasma TV. Money IS a object to some people.
43" LED: $449.99
42: LCD: #399.99
42: Plasma: 399.99
(From Best Buy website, each type sorted by price).
Nuff said....
"This is getting a lot closer, but plasmas still offer the best black levels. Yes, LED TVs can sometimes have an absolute black (by turning off their LEDs), but when you're watching a movie, plasmas are going to seem darker. This relates to contrast ratio."
http://asia.cnet.com/led-vs-plasma-vs-lcd-tvs-62213538.htm
Those are probably some low rent tvs. Being a bit more realistic, which means getting lcd/led with 240hz and better models that will compare to plasma:
40in range high level plasmas are like $600-$700
40in range high level lcds are like $1000
40in range high level leds are like $1500-$2000
What kind of tvs you looking at? I found 1080p 600Hz Plasmas that are 50in for that price you quoted for on 40in. For LCD/LEDs to hit that price I usually see those @ 50-80in.
Heck I have a 60in Mitsubishi DLP (1080p, 120Hz Sub-Frame Rate) that retails $1200 cause its 3D ready.
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Retired StaffIt doesn't back up that claim at all. It says that plasma has the best contrast ratio, while not backing it up at all, yet stating how LED TVs are brighter, and can turn pixels off.... which states there is some form of high contrast....
The article also says to newer technologies "these are the exceptions, not the rule." So there, plasma definitely has an advantage as many companies have stopped producing plasma TVs, and LED TVs are a relatively new product, so many companies have decided to join in on producing them.
"I'm an outsider by choice, but not truly.
It’s the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out.
I’d rather be in, in a good system. That’s where my discontent comes from:
being forced to choose to stay outside.
My advice: Just keep movin’ straight ahead.
Every now and then you find yourself in a different place."
-George Carlin
Those were prices from when I bought my tv. So now it appears you get 50in for those prices. Except LCD which doesn't seem popular in 240hz models. I wouldn't even consider them anymore. I'd be making these kinds of comparisons if I were considering getting a tv. Plasma is much cheaper for the quality, but if you got the bucks buy a comparable 240hz led. 240hz led brings in 3d, but I wouldn't buy something that didn't have 240hz for playing videogames. Cheaper tvs aren't even worth making these comparisons.
50in plasma $800
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasonic - 50" Class / Plasma / 1080p / 600Hz / HDTV/4841493.p?id=1218541224061&skuId=4841493
55in led 240hz $1,998
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-BRAVIA-KDL55HX750-55-Inch-Internet/dp/B006U1VH64/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1338561724&sr=1-4
So rest easy knowing an led can be absolute black by turning off a pixel, but in actuality that's irrelevant because contrast ratio matters more to what you see. I'll believe people who write for tech sites before random people on the internet.
I consider all of this moot as the only purpose of these arguments is that plasma is perfectly acceptable for gaming. The fact that people can sit here and argue degrees of blackness and degrees of color quality proves that.
If that doesn't work for people, I guess I'll have to give up and go back to my "unusable for gaming plasma" with its inky dark blacks and 600hz refresh rate. Woe is me.
Don't know how difficult this would be. But from the perspective of freeing up as much screen real estate as possible, could the inventory bar be set to only appear when actually pressing the bumpers for inventory select? Then fade away after a couple seconds?
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Retired StaffThe person who wrote the article is a random person on the internet..... and they used the word "goodest"......
Is he even actually talking about true LED? There is a such thing; It isn't just LCD backlit with LEDs....
Why would you need a 600 Hz refresh rate? Can you even see that? Pretty sure you'd have to be a robot to see that.... Do you really gain any benefit from having that high of a refresh rate besides boasting on the internet about it?
"I'm an outsider by choice, but not truly.
It’s the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out.
I’d rather be in, in a good system. That’s where my discontent comes from:
being forced to choose to stay outside.
My advice: Just keep movin’ straight ahead.
Every now and then you find yourself in a different place."
-George Carlin
LED TV's are just LCD's with LEDs as a light source, high end LED TV's will be OLED.
As for 600hz that means nothing
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