I have been playing on about 300 to 400 FPS on Minecraft 1.7, but ever since 1.8's snapshots, I'm noticing that the game is suddenly going "screw your hardware 80 fps". What the heck is causing this?
Turn on VBO in the game's video settings. Try turning on Vsync, it will limit FPS to your monitor FPS, but your monitor couldn't display more FPS than it was designed for, anyway.
I have been playing on about 300 to 400 FPS on Minecraft 1.7, but ever since 1.8's snapshots, I'm noticing that the game is suddenly going "screw your hardware 80 fps".
What the heck man...
I get 15 fps, Usually.
And the fps from 1.8 is awesome,
Your complaining about 80 fps? That's awesome though!
Anyways...
Are you running anything that might cause more cpu usage?
Or is it just mc?
VSynch makes sure that the game only renders when your screen is ready for it, which eliminates tearing but can drop frames. VBOs send all the triangles to the graphics card in one function call instead of in one function call per vertex. This is faster on every card from the past eight years. If turning on VBOs is causing slowdowns then Mojang did something wrong in their code, because VBOs can, at worst, give the same performance that you were getting before.
I'd like to repeat that last point for emphasis: if VBOs are causing slowdowns on any machine with a graphics card no more than eight years old then there is a bug in the game's rendering engine. File a report.
People are not paying more money for less performance. It's the EXACT same with people's upload/download speeds. People bought the better things, so they should be getting better results. I think posts like this don't help at all and should be against the rules, as they don't contribute to the discussion, at all.
. . . 80 FPS is bad? I get around 30 FPS on average.40 on a very good day sometimes.
Yes, fluctuating from 0-80 is annoying. Maybe you want to limit your Max fps a bit. Minecraft was meant to run best at 30 fps. With most games anything above 60 fps doesn't matter. If you were to drop from 300 to 80 you probably wouldn't notice. Vsynch is supposed to make sure that your computer doesn't run the game faster than your computer screen can handle it as mentioned above.
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Being limited to 80 FPS is not a problem. Being limited to 12 FPS is. If it's a step down, yet still playable, that is not a problem. If it's a step up, and becomes playable, then that is preferable to other versions, especially since it doesn't seem to have become utterly unplayable to anyone.
It's like a billionaire becoming a millionaire due to a new law and then complaining about it to all the poor people who've benefited from that same law. Not saying he can't complain, but it does seem ridiculous that he would do so in light of all the good it's done.
Being limited to 80 FPS is not a problem. Being limited to 12 FPS is. If it's a step down, yet still playable, that is not a problem. If it's a step up, and becomes playable, then that is preferable to other versions, especially since it doesn't seem to have become utterly unplayable to anyone.
It's like a billionaire becoming a millionaire due to a new law and then complaining about it to all the poor people who've benefited from that same law. Not saying he can't complain, but it does seem ridiculous that he would do so in light of all the good it's done.
I get what you mean, but that was a terrible example, me thinks....
In any case, I haven't messed around with 1.8 yet, but if it is bumping him down from 300 to 80, imagine what it would do to someone like me who runs on a laptop? My 40 fps on a good day could be ganked pretty hard.
As for your example, in what world is it okay to take from the rich and give to the poor? Sure, seems like a noble concept and we've got all sorts of stories where it works out well because the rich guy is kind of a and the poor people have been oppressed. But let's look at this reasonably.
Let's take an entrepreneur who has been working his whole like to make something of himself. One day, Microsoft rolls up and says 'we're going to buy your business', drops some phat stacks on the counter, and that old man is now set for life.
The next day, a law is passed that pretty much comes to 'even distribution of wealth'. His hard work for his whole life has just been destroyed. All the profit from all of his years has just been put in the pocket of some lazy kid living in his mom's basement because he's too lazy to get a job and move out.
Here's what it comes down to. That kid still isn't going to find a job. He's just going to waste that money.
And that old man is not only out of his retirement money, he's also out of a job. Further, despite his years of experience, this 'even distribution of wealth' means that he can't get paid anymore than an entry-level employee, no matter how high up the chain he is hired.
Here's the point; if he is used to running the game at 300+fps and all of a sudden, he is down to 80 and by some fluke chance, people like me who are used to right around 30-40 are suddenly running at 60-80, I think he has every right to complain. He's invested more money into his hardware than I have and he deserves to see the performance from that.
Dear OP,
I hope this is a temporary issue and that it gets resolved. I've not seen anything included in Minecraft Vanilla yet that would break this sort of this permanently.
In the mean time, there's a box of tissues in the hallway closet. Picked them up while I was out shopping.
Love, J.
I get what you mean, but that was a terrible example, me thinks....
In any case, I haven't messed around with 1.8 yet, but if it is bumping him down from 300 to 80, imagine what it would do to someone like me who runs on a laptop? My 40 fps on a good day could be ganked pretty hard.
As for your example, in what world is it okay to take from the rich and give to the poor? Sure, seems like a noble concept and we've got all sorts of stories where it works out well because the rich guy is kind of a and the poor people have been oppressed. But let's look at this reasonably.
Let's take an entrepreneur who has been working his whole like to make something of himself. One day, Microsoft rolls up and says 'we're going to buy your business', drops some phat stacks on the counter, and that old man is now set for life.
The next day, a law is passed that pretty much comes to 'even distribution of wealth'. His hard work for his whole life has just been destroyed. All the profit from all of his years has just been put in the pocket of some lazy kid living in his mom's basement because he's too lazy to get a job and move out.
Here's what it comes down to. That kid still isn't going to find a job. He's just going to waste that money.
And that old man is not only out of his retirement money, he's also out of a job. Further, despite his years of experience, this 'even distribution of wealth' means that he can't get paid anymore than an entry-level employee, no matter how high up the chain he is hired.
Here's the point; if he is used to running the game at 300+fps and all of a sudden, he is down to 80 and by some fluke chance, people like me who are used to right around 30-40 are suddenly running at 60-80, I think he has every right to complain. He's invested more money into his hardware than I have and he deserves to see the performance from that.
Dear OP,
I hope this is a temporary issue and that it gets resolved. I've not seen anything included in Minecraft Vanilla yet that would break this sort of this permanently.
In the mean time, there's a box of tissues in the hallway closet. Picked them up while I was out shopping.
Love, J.
Don't give me something based on hypotheticals (telling me that your 40 FPS best couldbe ganked is not helpful).
My example doesn't take from the rich and give to the poor. It disables the ability of the rich and benefits the poor. More importantly, you're completely missing the point. Doesn't matter who came up with the law or why right now. Doesn't matter if the law isn't well thought out. For good or ill, the law exists (just as the optimizations exist). It's still weird for a millionaire to complain about a loss to people who now actually have a chance to get money (FPS). Yeah, it was a lot of money, and yeah, he may have worked hard for it (purchased a good PC), but the millionaire still has a lot of money compared to the people he's complaining to. It's not a surprise that they react with apathy and sarcasm, and it's not a surprise that they don't see a problem. The millionaire is still set for life (still able to play), and he probably won't even notice a difference in his lifestyle (no noticeable difference past a certain number of FPS). Meanwhile, the poor are actually capable of having money (they can play with a lot less issues), thus enriching the economy (multiplayer/community) for all. After all, they're hard workers (duh, they're Minecrafting, not actually working; anything they do would be analagous to hard work in my example short of not playing at all).
Like I said last post, sure, the OP has every right to complain, but it's weird that he's complaining about having 80 FPS when many of us have only now been able to play above 20. It shouldn't be surprising that most everyone doesn't care about the OP's problem.
My son and I play Minecraft from a laptop (with no dedicated graphics card) and a PC (which is a bit old but has plenty of ram and its own graphics card).So we never had high FPS, but enough to enjoy playing.
Cut since 1.8 (pre1) the FPS drops to 7 when out in open air. I've not changed any settings and tried all the normal things to improve performance but it still gets so slow.
I have been playing on about 300 to 400 FPS on Minecraft 1.7, but ever since 1.8's snapshots, I'm noticing that the game is suddenly going "screw your hardware 80 fps". What the heck is causing this?
What the heck man...
Your complaining about 80 fps?
I've spent years at 20 fps or less and yet I would NEVER make a reply like those.
The person isn't "Whining", they are reporting a massive lowering of performance of a game version that is reported to be much faster than earlier ones. When you drop from 400 fps to 80 fps then you are seeing a massive drop in performance, NOT a gain. A drop so large that there is clearly something wrong somewhere.
And if it does mean that there is a bug in the game somewhere then it is to everyone's advantage, yes even yours, that it be found and fixed. Which will never happen if people just stay quiet and eat their gruel in silence...
it's weird that he's complaining about having 80 FPS when many of us have only now been able to play above 20.
What's weird is that you people keep saying that OP is complaining about something, and you then proceed to lambast him for "complaining" instead of actually reading and understanding his post.
His post was NOT a complaint, though he would have every right to, it was as minimalist as you can get. He REPORTED a problem that he has noticed while trying the new version of the game, then asked if anyone knows what might be causing it. That's it.. I wish all bug reports and requests for help were like his, plenty of other threads start off with huge vitriolic complaints, this person did not make even one "complaint"..
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So we never had high FPS, but enough to enjoy playing.
Cut since 1.8 (pre1) the FPS drops to 7 when out in open air. I've not changed any settings and tried all the normal things to improve performance but it still gets so slow.
One on the other end of the spectrum.
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. . . 80 FPS is bad? I get around 30 FPS on average.40 on a very good day sometimes.
Yes, fluctuating from 0-80 is annoying. Maybe you want to limit your Max fps a bit. Minecraft was meant to run best at 30 fps. With most games anything above 60 fps doesn't matter. If you were to drop from 300 to 80 you probably wouldn't notice. Vsynch is supposed to make sure that your computer doesn't run the game faster than your computer screen can handle it as mentioned above.
People seem to think you need to get 100+ frames on the game when that doesn't even matter. At 60 FPS it's perfectly fine, and 30 FPS is okay (as that was the FPS alot of older consoles ran at)
It's also just as annoying to have your frames fluctuated when you're at, say, 100 and 120/140 frames. Hence, I don't use Optifine anymore as that what I was getting.
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Don't give me something based on hypotheticals (telling me that your 40 FPS best couldbe ganked is not helpful).
My example doesn't take from the rich and give to the poor. It disables the ability of the rich and benefits the poor. More importantly, you're completely missing the point. Doesn't matter who came up with the law or why right now. Doesn't matter if the law isn't well thought out. For good or ill, the law exists (just as the optimizations exist). It's still weird for a millionaire to complain about a loss to people who now actually have a chance to get money (FPS). Yeah, it was a lot of money, and yeah, he may have worked hard for it (purchased a good PC), but the millionaire still has a lot of money compared to the people he's complaining to. It's not a surprise that they react with apathy and sarcasm, and it's not a surprise that they don't see a problem. The millionaire is still set for life (still able to play), and he probably won't even notice a difference in his lifestyle (no noticeable difference past a certain number of FPS). Meanwhile, the poor are actually capable of having money (they can play with a lot less issues), thus enriching the economy (multiplayer/community) for all. After all, they're hard workers (duh, they're Minecrafting, not actually working; anything they do would be analagous to hard work in my example short of not playing at all).
Like I said last post, sure, the OP has every right to complain, but it's weird that he's complaining about having 80 FPS when many of us have only now been able to play above 20. It shouldn't be surprising that most everyone doesn't care about the OP's problem.
Issue has been reported of a low end computer getting 7 FPS. So, there's that.
"Doesn't take from the rich and give to the poor" my butt. If it in any way hinders ANYONE'S ability to make something of themselves, you have TAKEN from them.
Thinking that it's okay to take from someone who has actually done what needed to be done to be successful and giving to someone who doesn't even bother to try is the mindset of a failure. Only someone who demands a handout and doesn't fight for what they want would think that would be okay.
VBO seems to be causing a bit more lag.
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Well, when it fluxuates from 0 to 80, I think there is a software problem.
What the heck man...
I get 15 fps, Usually.
And the fps from 1.8 is awesome,
Your complaining about 80 fps? That's awesome though!
Anyways...
Are you running anything that might cause more cpu usage?
Or is it just mc?
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Yes, fluctuating from 0-80 is annoying. Maybe you want to limit your Max fps a bit. Minecraft was meant to run best at 30 fps. With most games anything above 60 fps doesn't matter. If you were to drop from 300 to 80 you probably wouldn't notice. Vsynch is supposed to make sure that your computer doesn't run the game faster than your computer screen can handle it as mentioned above.
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It is bad, considering it's just the 20-30% of the performance he should be getting.
If you're used to 30 FPS that's ok, but it doesn't make it true.
Actually, nobody with a normal monitor can notice the difference between 1000 FPS and 80 FPS, but that's not the point here.
Some people be like: "Oh, so you're getting performance issues?! Well, too bad cuz I don't, so you can't complain!"
Not talking about the post I quoted.
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It's like a billionaire becoming a millionaire due to a new law and then complaining about it to all the poor people who've benefited from that same law. Not saying he can't complain, but it does seem ridiculous that he would do so in light of all the good it's done.
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I get what you mean, but that was a terrible example, me thinks....
In any case, I haven't messed around with 1.8 yet, but if it is bumping him down from 300 to 80, imagine what it would do to someone like me who runs on a laptop? My 40 fps on a good day could be ganked pretty hard.
As for your example, in what world is it okay to take from the rich and give to the poor? Sure, seems like a noble concept and we've got all sorts of stories where it works out well because the rich guy is kind of a and the poor people have been oppressed. But let's look at this reasonably.
Let's take an entrepreneur who has been working his whole like to make something of himself. One day, Microsoft rolls up and says 'we're going to buy your business', drops some phat stacks on the counter, and that old man is now set for life.
The next day, a law is passed that pretty much comes to 'even distribution of wealth'. His hard work for his whole life has just been destroyed. All the profit from all of his years has just been put in the pocket of some lazy kid living in his mom's basement because he's too lazy to get a job and move out.
Here's what it comes down to. That kid still isn't going to find a job. He's just going to waste that money.
And that old man is not only out of his retirement money, he's also out of a job. Further, despite his years of experience, this 'even distribution of wealth' means that he can't get paid anymore than an entry-level employee, no matter how high up the chain he is hired.
Here's the point; if he is used to running the game at 300+fps and all of a sudden, he is down to 80 and by some fluke chance, people like me who are used to right around 30-40 are suddenly running at 60-80, I think he has every right to complain. He's invested more money into his hardware than I have and he deserves to see the performance from that.
Dear OP,
I hope this is a temporary issue and that it gets resolved. I've not seen anything included in Minecraft Vanilla yet that would break this sort of this permanently.
In the mean time, there's a box of tissues in the hallway closet. Picked them up while I was out shopping.
Love, J.
Don't give me something based on hypotheticals (telling me that your 40 FPS best could be ganked is not helpful).
My example doesn't take from the rich and give to the poor. It disables the ability of the rich and benefits the poor. More importantly, you're completely missing the point. Doesn't matter who came up with the law or why right now. Doesn't matter if the law isn't well thought out. For good or ill, the law exists (just as the optimizations exist). It's still weird for a millionaire to complain about a loss to people who now actually have a chance to get money (FPS). Yeah, it was a lot of money, and yeah, he may have worked hard for it (purchased a good PC), but the millionaire still has a lot of money compared to the people he's complaining to. It's not a surprise that they react with apathy and sarcasm, and it's not a surprise that they don't see a problem. The millionaire is still set for life (still able to play), and he probably won't even notice a difference in his lifestyle (no noticeable difference past a certain number of FPS). Meanwhile, the poor are actually capable of having money (they can play with a lot less issues), thus enriching the economy (multiplayer/community) for all. After all, they're hard workers (duh, they're Minecrafting, not actually working; anything they do would be analagous to hard work in my example short of not playing at all).
Like I said last post, sure, the OP has every right to complain, but it's weird that he's complaining about having 80 FPS when many of us have only now been able to play above 20. It shouldn't be surprising that most everyone doesn't care about the OP's problem.
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My son and I play Minecraft from a laptop (with no dedicated graphics card) and a PC (which is a bit old but has plenty of ram and its own graphics card).So we never had high FPS, but enough to enjoy playing.
Cut since 1.8 (pre1) the FPS drops to 7 when out in open air. I've not changed any settings and tried all the normal things to improve performance but it still gets so slow.
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I've spent years at 20 fps or less and yet I would NEVER make a reply like those.
The person isn't "Whining", they are reporting a massive lowering of performance of a game version that is reported to be much faster than earlier ones. When you drop from 400 fps to 80 fps then you are seeing a massive drop in performance, NOT a gain. A drop so large that there is clearly something wrong somewhere.
And if it does mean that there is a bug in the game somewhere then it is to everyone's advantage, yes even yours, that it be found and fixed. Which will never happen if people just stay quiet and eat their gruel in silence...
What's weird is that you people keep saying that OP is complaining about something, and you then proceed to lambast him for "complaining" instead of actually reading and understanding his post.
His post was NOT a complaint, though he would have every right to, it was as minimalist as you can get. He REPORTED a problem that he has noticed while trying the new version of the game, then asked if anyone knows what might be causing it. That's it.. I wish all bug reports and requests for help were like his, plenty of other threads start off with huge vitriolic complaints, this person did not make even one "complaint"..
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One on the other end of the spectrum.
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People seem to think you need to get 100+ frames on the game when that doesn't even matter. At 60 FPS it's perfectly fine, and 30 FPS is okay (as that was the FPS alot of older consoles ran at)
It's also just as annoying to have your frames fluctuated when you're at, say, 100 and 120/140 frames. Hence, I don't use Optifine anymore as that what I was getting.
"It's not enough you have the will to care. What are you going to do to show it?"
then you should be more specific. how do you expect us to understand that your fps is 0-80 when you are saying "I can only get 80 fps"?
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Issue has been reported of a low end computer getting 7 FPS. So, there's that.
"Doesn't take from the rich and give to the poor" my butt. If it in any way hinders ANYONE'S ability to make something of themselves, you have TAKEN from them.
Thinking that it's okay to take from someone who has actually done what needed to be done to be successful and giving to someone who doesn't even bother to try is the mindset of a failure. Only someone who demands a handout and doesn't fight for what they want would think that would be okay.