With the options presented here, B is the obvious choice. However... I still believe there should be another way to fix our issues with constantly having to bump packs up for visibility, and not clog up the first few pages with crap. I'm gonna stick to my guns here and say we need to get Curse behind us for hosting packs/mods on Curse proper that way they are sorted properly, always visible, etc. and have our forum thread linked from the Curse post. I honestly think we need a static display for packs/mods on a single host, and the forum should be for suggestions and discussion only. It would eliminate ANY confusion on the part of new users as they would see a link to minecraft.curse.com on the Minecraft site that says Texture Packs & Mods just like the link to these forums. It just makes sense. We just need to get Mojang and Curse to work out the deal. I know, you guys hate the idea of change, but we DO need something different... and this is a solution that would work for everyone in the long run. We should focus on getting it to happen imo.
And thank you citric for stepping in again in a crisis. keep being awesome man! :tongue.gif:
With the options presented here, B is the obvious choice. However... I still believe there should be another way to fix our issues with constantly having to bump packs up for visibility, and not clog up the first few pages with crap. I'm gonna stick to my guns here and say we need to get Curse behind us for hosting packs/mods on Curse proper that way they are sorted properly, always visible, etc. and have our forum thread linked from the Curse post. I honestly think we need a static display for packs/mods on a single host, and the forum should be for suggestions and discussion only. It would eliminate ANY confusion on the part of new users as they would see a link to minecraft.curse.com on the Minecraft site that says Texture Packs & Mods just like the link to these forums. It just makes sense. We just need to get Mojang and Curse to work out the deal. I know, you guys hate the idea of change, but we DO need something different... and this is a solution that would work for everyone in the long run. We should focus on getting it to happen imo.
And thank you citric for stepping in again in a crisis. keep being awesome man! :tongue.gif:
I have a question about hosting here, should that ever come about. What about those of us who've taken a liking to another site, like the one linked to in my signature? Would there ever be a way to list the pack under downloads but keep the actual download elsewhere?
I don't think there will be the ability to upload here in the near future, but still, it wouldn't be something I could support if that ability weren't present.
The problem seems to be with trying to organize a file repository (yes, I know there are no files actually here ) out of a forum. You don't get the options to find recently updated files while filtering out recent comments or vice-versa.
What you should really do is grab IP.Downloads and build a proper Downloads section. This can be customized to use the external download links provided by Authors, create a thread for each Texture Pack/Mod/etc., and give a proper interface for searching files.
If that could be made to support ad.fly and minecraftcustomizer.net, that would be perfect. Even without those, IP.Downloads looks like it would be much better than the restructure or what we have right now. From what I can tell, it would give the features of planetminecraft.com that people expressed liking, WHILE keeping the community aspect of it.
I know this isn't the most popular suggestion, but I really agreed with one main point from the original changes: separating the texture pack thread by texture pack resolutions. However, I would only do 2 sub-divisions, one for 16x and below (LD), and one for 32x and up (HD). I think the majority of players tend to be from one of either camps, those who prefer only using 16x, and those who prefer more variety. While SOME prefer any, and SOME only prefer one, the majority I think can be divided into those two groups. It would also alleviate some of the nonsense about having to use the damn HD patcher, since only one of those forums would need it, and it could be easily labeled as such.
Just my two cents, and I think it would help to unclog the currently huge forum for artists and users.
On the issue of hosting, there might be a couple pages that could be taken from tesnexus.com I really like their template for modding Oblivion. While there is still issues involved with whatever choice there is, I still like to give a couple thoughts to hopefully add some spice to this crockpot of ideas.
It would also alleviate some of the nonsense about having to use the damn HD patcher, since only one of those forums would need it, and it could be easily labeled as such.
Technically, any texture pack of a resolution below 16x will also need the patcher, so that kind of falls down a bit there.
Technically, any texture pack of a resolution below 16x will also need the patcher, so that kind of falls down a bit there.
Also, any pack using custom animations would require a patch regardless of their resolution. There are 16x packs the require the patcher because of this.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"Look, I don't care if your 8 or 20. If you can't take criticism or opinions, then get off the internet." -Stronghold257
Sorry mate voted B, Its easy to keep everything updated in one place. When I update all I do is.
1. Package the new version (Put old in a _OLD folder)
2. Copy it over to my web server and overwrite the old file.
3. Update the change log at Planet Minecraft
4. Edit my Minecraft forum post to say which version they are on now.
No updating links nothing of the sort. Four steps = Win.
that would add about 2 more.
yes. That's like saying you work REALLY hard to become the best restaurant, but people aren't allowed to know you exist till they try all the new restaurants first. How is that fair to you? You work so hard day in and day out to be the best but your denied customers because you do so? That's ridiculous.
Actually, it seems to me that the analogy is more like "You work REALLY hard to become the best restaurant, but people who don't know how to drive or read signs won't know about you because the cab driver doesn't drop them off in front of your restaurant."
For the record, I don't think the new structure is the best solution, but between the new or the old, I've voted for the new, for much the same reasons that have already been stated.
I don't always want to page through five or six pages of ever-shifting combinations of Doku, Doku-remixes, and simple packs, just to find something new. In our current system, new packs will almost always be buried fairly quickly (as the threads people already know are getting the traffic). If a new pack makes it back from the brink, then they stand a chance, and this (I would wager) is generally from someone with a lot more time and patience (or sheer luck) than the rest of us finding the new pack on accident.
EDIT: Previous section redacted. It was an impossibly strong knee-jerk reaction to some of our less palatable posters. Having read some more thoughtful (and less "poor poor me") posts in the interim pages, I have to say that as much as I dislike using the current system, the new system probably won't help any more.
Anyway, to avoid TL;DR, I'd say that ultimately the idea of using a forum format to showcase mods/packs and allow questions/commentary is unavoidably going to encounter exactly the kind of problems we are facing right now.
EDIT: Also redacted, as I discovered an interim post that articulates this point much better than I did.
well, it seems highly unlikely that the results of the poll will change. It has been up for four days and the results have stayed consistent. Few people want the new restructuring.
I am concerned that there is no deadline for this poll. Without one this entire thread could exists purely as a way to placate us while the new changes are implemented. It would be best if a final decision were announced soon.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"Look, I don't care if your 8 or 20. If you can't take criticism or opinions, then get off the internet." -Stronghold257
-
View User Profile
-
View Posts
-
Send Message
Curse PremiumAnd thank you citric for stepping in again in a crisis. keep being awesome man! :tongue.gif:
I have a question about hosting here, should that ever come about. What about those of us who've taken a liking to another site, like the one linked to in my signature? Would there ever be a way to list the pack under downloads but keep the actual download elsewhere?
I don't think there will be the ability to upload here in the near future, but still, it wouldn't be something I could support if that ability weren't present.
If that could be made to support ad.fly and minecraftcustomizer.net, that would be perfect. Even without those, IP.Downloads looks like it would be much better than the restructure or what we have right now. From what I can tell, it would give the features of planetminecraft.com that people expressed liking, WHILE keeping the community aspect of it.
I would heavily support getting this.
Just my two cents, and I think it would help to unclog the currently huge forum for artists and users.
Thanks.
-
View User Profile
-
View Posts
-
Send Message
Curse Premium-srd
Technically, any texture pack of a resolution below 16x will also need the patcher, so that kind of falls down a bit there.
-
View User Profile
-
View Posts
-
Send Message
Curse Premium-
View User Profile
-
View Posts
-
Send Message
Curse Premiumthis is why we need notch&co to add the patcher into the modding api. no?
Agreed. Well, then it wouldn't really be a 'patcher' but an upgrade, but....semantics.
Also, any pack using custom animations would require a patch regardless of their resolution. There are 16x packs the require the patcher because of this.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it is broke, don't smack it with a hammer.
1. Package the new version (Put old in a _OLD folder)
2. Copy it over to my web server and overwrite the old file.
3. Update the change log at Planet Minecraft
4. Edit my Minecraft forum post to say which version they are on now.
No updating links nothing of the sort. Four steps = Win.
that would add about 2 more.
-
View User Profile
-
View Posts
-
Send Message
Retired StaffOld threads would become the comments section, with a "download only" section added.
As long as we need.
It's hard to follow your dreams when you run from your nightmares. --
Oh, I never knew they needed it...just thought it was 32x and above. And yes, I totally forgot about the custom water, etc. Big oops there.
Regardless, the divide between the pro-16x and others is still my main point of why I think they should be split up.
Actually, it seems to me that the analogy is more like "You work REALLY hard to become the best restaurant, but people who don't know how to drive or read signs won't know about you because the cab driver doesn't drop them off in front of your restaurant."
For the record, I don't think the new structure is the best solution, but between the new or the old, I've voted for the new, for much the same reasons that have already been stated.
I don't always want to page through five or six pages of ever-shifting combinations of Doku, Doku-remixes, and simple packs, just to find something new. In our current system, new packs will almost always be buried fairly quickly (as the threads people already know are getting the traffic). If a new pack makes it back from the brink, then they stand a chance, and this (I would wager) is generally from someone with a lot more time and patience (or sheer luck) than the rest of us finding the new pack on accident.
EDIT: Previous section redacted. It was an impossibly strong knee-jerk reaction to some of our less palatable posters. Having read some more thoughtful (and less "poor poor me") posts in the interim pages, I have to say that as much as I dislike using the current system, the new system probably won't help any more.
Anyway, to avoid TL;DR, I'd say that ultimately the idea of using a forum format to showcase mods/packs and allow questions/commentary is unavoidably going to encounter exactly the kind of problems we are facing right now.EDIT: Also redacted, as I discovered an interim post that articulates this point much better than I did.
I am concerned that there is no deadline for this poll. Without one this entire thread could exists purely as a way to placate us while the new changes are implemented. It would be best if a final decision were announced soon.
-
View User Profile
-
View Posts
-
Send Message
Retired StaffThis is an open discussion of all possible options. I will lock this thread, please be sure to head to the new one in "Modding Discussion."
It's hard to follow your dreams when you run from your nightmares. --