I'm actually starting to like the idea of a subforum for each resolution .. I would actually love if that happened ^^
Okay, when I said earlier that everyone was talking about this, I did not mean that I thought it was a good idea. It's more hassle than it's worth (or than is needed) to have to go to the 16x section to see what's new for the day, then check up on the 16x section...
Besides which, when all the resolutions are together, people have the opportunity to branch out, and say 'I've never tried a 64x pack before, but this one sounds neat, so let me have a look'. They won't see those new packs if they are in a different section.
Also, what about 128x and 256x? And 512x? For the last one at least, it would be kind of pointless to have a subforum with only two or so packs. And if you include 512x in with 256x, well then why not add it to 128x? Or for that matter, 16x and 32x are so close, just throw those into the same place. That way you end up with--
There is no way we can get away with that. Let me explain.
The main reason this split is coming in the first place is to reduce server load for the curse servers. As an administrator/webmaster in various forums in the last 15 years, one of the first things in found out (both in phpbb and Vb, but this applies to all forum systems) is that large threads introduce server CPU strain, make sql database queries a horror story and may even corrupt database files if left completely unchecked.
This means 2 things for Curse. More money for servers and more problems in maintenance.
The way the counter-proposal is trying to deal with this is the best compromise imo between the community and the administration. If a thread reaches the threshold (in Vbulletin and phpbb that I work on it depends on local setting, but generally about 2000 post strings ~ 100 pages is the limit before having problems) it is split between an automated numbered archive and the current version.
That means, a thread with 120 pages will have the following structure
-----------------------------Texture pack entries
-------------------------------------- example topic [TP1_8][16x16] My Texture Pack [v1.00] L/U 20110731
-----------------------------Older/Archived Texture pack entries
-------------------------------------- example topic [AR1][TP1_8][16x16] My Texture Pack [v1.00] L/U 20110731
and a thread with 220 pages will have the following structure
-----------------------------Texture pack entries
-------------------------------------- example topic [TP1_8][16x16] My Texture Pack [v1.00] L/U 20110731
-----------------------------Older/Archived Texture pack entries
-------------------------------------- example topic [AR1][TP1_8][16x16] My Texture Pack [v1.00] L/U 20110731
-----------------------------Older/Archived Texture pack entries
-------------------------------------- example topic [AR2][TP1_8][16x16] My Texture Pack [v1.00] L/U 20110731
The creator does not do anything to make this happen, nor does it concern him. The sectional moderator splits the thread when the threshold is reached, and duplicates/injects the OP to the new current entry topic. Since there are not a lot of topics that have so many pages, and the forum system is automated enough to make those changes easily, the additional strain to make this thing work is the least possible, and certainly less than any other solution hinted or proposed
This is the preferred way that many big forums work with actually. And anyway, unless our counterproposal manages to offer a valid suggestion to solve this problem, it is destined to fail a priori. The one I have put in the draft is the most community compatible one for a regrettable but necessary compromise.
Hope that helps, cheers...^^
Ah, okay, I see what you're saying now. I'll link this post as well on the OP.
Having different sections for each resolution would decrease the poppularity of each pack and the chance of someone finding your pack. I hardly think people actually search for texture packs based on resolution alone. Im sure most people are like me and just search without knowing what theyre searching for. For example I dont usually use 64+ packs as theyre pretty much all photorealistic etc but some like that vector one are just ****ing amazing and if the forum were to be split up eight now i would have never found packs like those bEcause i just wouldnt be active in those sections. So by spliting up the forums texture pack makers would lose all their fanbase that finds their pack just by searching around randomly.
Also the poll question is really confusing. Make it something like
"do you like dantes idea of having two subforums?
discussion (group discussions, tutorials, and reviews) and texture packs (texture packs, challenges, collabs)"
No, that's a terrible choice. As I said above, there are only, what, three 512x packs?
And how can we be a texture pack community as a whole if we're split up into the 16x community and the 32x community and the 64x community....
Also the poll question is really confusing. Make it something like
"do you like dantes idea of having two subforums?
discussion (group discussions, tutorials, and reviews) and texture packs (texture packs, challenges, collabs)"
Contests wouldnt go in discussion btw.
Edited. You're right, it was confusing. Silly me, I was so rushed I forgot that contests shouldn't go in 'discussion'. :tongue.gif:
I also think that splitting the entries according to resolution is counter-productive, and will also introduce problems with multi-resolution packs. Its just another filter guys and gals to divide the community.
Using specialized and formatted tags ([16x16], [32x32] etc) in the search query will help the user to reach the resolution he needs (and specialize his search with date or other criteria), without having to transverse multiple subforums to do that. Thats why I put in the proposal the resolution tags section.
btw, the reason I stated a tag should be [16x16] and not [16x] is that the search engine will not look up 3 or less digit samples.
One of the main reasons i suggest it is because the texture pack forums is.. well.. spammed with packs. I once replied to my HDCraft thread, and it was on the 3 page after what .. 50 seconds? And the mods go crazy if we try to ask for more feedback and such. Would be alot simpler for us to use my method then, but it was of course, just a suggestion.
Just a quick note: there are a couple of texture packs that support higher resolution than 512x, and I'm pretty sure there are only a handful of 512x texture packs. Maybe it would be better to have a 256x+ or a 512x+ section if we're dividing the texturepacks by resolution?
You are right man, the section does get heavy content addition daily. But the problem is still there. To analyze it more:
Adding a resolution filter for entries will essentially split both the creative community and the userbase.
Most users do not base their searches/viewing strictly on resolution.
Multi-resolution packs would have to be replicated. A way to partially resolve this would be to have the sectional moderator make the entries in most resolutions for such a pack a hyperlink to the actual topic instead of a valid entry. It can be done (a forum hack is needed for that, but can be easily implemented), but then it is impossible to bump the hyperlink entries, so they would fall to obscurity pretty fast.
If you analyze the way the section works right now, and factor in how the userbase uses it, you will see that your pack for example (actually, any pack) would get less, not more exposure from such a split.
Pack spamming, especially for packs that break the rules is predominantly a moderation problem. Given good moderation and a valid reporting procedure, the problem can be resolved without having to split the community.
Also, that is one of the reasons I factored into the proposal the concept of a separate subforum for any non entry related topics. That way, topics about help, tutorial, reviews etc will NOT bring down our entry threads, thus helping with pack exposure.
Finally, it is a little ironic to try and counter-balance a badly filtered split proposed by the administration by introducing another filter for splitting the community, don't you think?
Hope that helps, cheers...^^
Sure did.
How about this then?
Texture's
-> Texture packs
-> Tutorials
-> Help
-> Requests
Texture's
-> Texture packs
-> Tutorials
-> Help
-> Requests
I really think you missed Dante's point...
Textures
-> Texture packs (textures, collabs, challenges, anything that has to do with actual texturing)
-> Discussions (Group discussions, tutorials, help, reviews, tools for texture packs, etc.)
Texture's
-> Texture packs
-> Tutorials
-> Help
-> Requests
That isn't bad, but I'd make it more like
->Texture Packs
->Discussion and Tutorials
->Requests
I'm not really sure what would go in the help section. Help making packs? Help installing and using packs? It's to ambiguous, anyways the former can go under discussion and the latter in specific pack threads.
Dante80: Man, you're just on a roll. I agree with everything you're saying and you're putting it way better than I can.
Edit: Add in an archive board for large threads. Dante80 says it's 100 pages where issues come up, I'd make it around 75 to be safe.
->Texture Packs
->Discussion and Tutorials
->Requests
I'm not really sure what would go in the help section. Help making packs? Help installing and using packs? It's to ambiguous, anyways the former can go under discussion and the latter in specific pack threads.
Dante80: Man, you're just on a roll. I agree with everything you're saying and you're putting it way better than I can.
Edit: Add in an archive board for large threads. Dante80 says 100 pages, I'd make it around 75 to be safe.
I still think we're missing something. It just wouldn't be possible for the forum to function based on how they describe it with 4 threads.. Maybe there won't actually be 4 actual subsections? Does it actually say that we'll have 4 different threads?
I just don't understand it. How could you actually think that that's a good idea..
I still think we're missing something. It just wouldn't be possible for the forum to function based on how they describe it with 4 threads.. Maybe there won't actually be 4 actual subsections? Does it actually say that we'll have 4 different threads?
I just don't understand it. How could you actually think that that's a good idea..
Well... it kinda makes sense for mods so they probably didn't take Texture Packs in general into account much. It seems like they just took the whole section and decided to go from there based on what Mods might need.
A request section really isnt needed though. For one thing it'd be pretty much dead as no one actually does requests so we'd just be avoiding the problem.
A request section really isnt needed though. For one thing it'd be pretty much dead as no one actually does requests so we'd just be avoiding the problem.
It is needed. I often use it, and other people also.
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----> 16x16 packs
----> 32x32 packs
----> 64x64 packs
----> 128x128 packs
----> 258x258 packs
----> 512x512 packs
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Maybe that could be something? =)
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Retired StaffOkay, when I said earlier that everyone was talking about this, I did not mean that I thought it was a good idea. It's more hassle than it's worth (or than is needed) to have to go to the 16x section to see what's new for the day, then check up on the 16x section...
Besides which, when all the resolutions are together, people have the opportunity to branch out, and say 'I've never tried a 64x pack before, but this one sounds neat, so let me have a look'. They won't see those new packs if they are in a different section.
Also, what about 128x and 256x? And 512x? For the last one at least, it would be kind of pointless to have a subforum with only two or so packs. And if you include 512x in with 256x, well then why not add it to 128x? Or for that matter, 16x and 32x are so close, just throw those into the same place. That way you end up with--
Oh. Pretty much what we have now.
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Retired StaffAh, okay, I see what you're saying now. I'll link this post as well on the OP.
Also the poll question is really confusing. Make it something like
"do you like dantes idea of having two subforums?
discussion (group discussions, tutorials, and reviews) and texture packs (texture packs, challenges, collabs)"
Contests wouldnt go in discussion btw.
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Retired StaffNo, that's a terrible choice. As I said above, there are only, what, three 512x packs?
And how can we be a texture pack community as a whole if we're split up into the 16x community and the 32x community and the 64x community....
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Retired StaffEdited. You're right, it was confusing. Silly me, I was so rushed I forgot that contests shouldn't go in 'discussion'. :tongue.gif:
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Curse PremiumOne of the main reasons i suggest it is because the texture pack forums is.. well.. spammed with packs. I once replied to my HDCraft thread, and it was on the 3 page after what .. 50 seconds? And the mods go crazy if we try to ask for more feedback and such. Would be alot simpler for us to use my method then, but it was of course, just a suggestion.
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How about this then?
Texture's
-> Texture packs
-> Tutorials
-> Help
-> Requests
I like that.
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I really think you missed Dante's point...
Textures
-> Texture packs (textures, collabs, challenges, anything that has to do with actual texturing)
-> Discussions (Group discussions, tutorials, help, reviews, tools for texture packs, etc.)
That isn't bad, but I'd make it more like
->Texture Packs
->Discussion and Tutorials
->Requests
I'm not really sure what would go in the help section. Help making packs? Help installing and using packs? It's to ambiguous, anyways the former can go under discussion and the latter in specific pack threads.
Dante80: Man, you're just on a roll. I agree with everything you're saying and you're putting it way better than I can.
Edit: Add in an archive board for large threads. Dante80 says it's 100 pages where issues come up, I'd make it around 75 to be safe.
I REALLY like that :tongue.gif:
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I just don't understand it. How could you actually think that that's a good idea..
Well... it kinda makes sense for mods so they probably didn't take Texture Packs in general into account much. It seems like they just took the whole section and decided to go from there based on what Mods might need.
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This sounds good, yes. I'd go for this. =)
Also, i agree with dante, we need a subforum for JUST texture packs, not requests and tutorials and stuff.
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Curse PremiumIt is needed. I often use it, and other people also.